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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Truth About Gangs

September 5, 2017 idahobeef 0

“Gangs are a direct product of poverty.” That is NOT true, my boyfriend is a nurse and told me that the police departments he deals with in the ER daily actually have gangs (factions) in them; its about POWER, not poverty.

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Truth About Gangs

September 5, 2017 idahobeef 0

“Gangs are a direct product of poverty.” That is NOT true, my boyfriend is a nurse and told me that the police departments he deals with in the ER daily actually have gangs (factions) in them; its about POWER, not poverty.

Statistics: Posted by idahobeef — Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:17 pm


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 25, 2017 IceFire 0

One thing to consider is to set up a barter network BEFORE the SHTF. A lot of people in my area will barter with each other. The great thing about it is that you have a network of trusted barter “partners” already in place so can reduce/eliminate the awkward “developing trust” phase.

I just worked out a livestock barter for next year…pullets (young laying hens) that I will hatch out/raise for goat kids. My barter partner will get new laying hens without needing to buy them OR brooder equipment, and I will get her unwanted goat kids (she just wants the milk from the doe). If the kids include a doeling, then I have a future “milker”, while a buckling will be raised for the meat. After slaughter, my barter partner will also get some of the meat.
It works for both of us, and we already have developed a trusted barter relationship for later down the road.

Statistics: Posted by IceFire — Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:05 pm


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 25, 2017 IceFire 0

One thing to consider is to set up a barter network BEFORE the SHTF. A lot of people in my area will barter with each other. The great thing about it is that you have a network of trusted barter “partners” already in place so can reduce/eliminate the awkward “developing trust” phase.

I just worked out a livestock barter for next year…pullets (young laying hens) that I will hatch out/raise for goat kids. My barter partner will get new laying hens without needing to buy them OR brooder equipment, and I will get her unwanted goat kids (she just wants the milk from the doe). If the kids include a doeling, then I have a future “milker”, while a buckling will be raised for the meat. After slaughter, my barter partner will also get some of the meat.
It works for both of us, and we already have developed a trusted barter relationship for later down the road.

Statistics: Posted by IceFire — Mon Jul 24, 2017 8:05 pm


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
If you have done your homework “Prepping”, you should not need to barter until things settle down. Some will disagree, but I think the death rate would be greater than 90% within a year and greatest in cities and areas with severe weather. If any event would happen, others will follow. Just like more people die of disease during wars than battlefield wounds. The same would be true in any SHTF event. Nor will there be any shortage of people. Even if 90% died off, that still leaves over thirty million people to deal with.

I would guess the survival rate would very greatly by region. Rural people in mild climates would certainly have an advantage over urban areas or places with severe climates. Just like those with skills and knowledge will fair better than those who lack them.

The greatest problem with barter other than safety, is finding anyone with something you need or want. I believe there will be a thriving black market just like you see in third world countries today, but that is not barter – that is business! Swamp

I disagree on a couple of things …. and everything depends on the type of SHTF and the local situation ….

you never can be complacent about your preps – you always need to be re-supplying and upgrading your situation – taking advantage when it presents itself – if nothing else it keeps the OPSEC going post-SHTF ….

bartering can begin immediately after the SHTF hits home … you have neighbors with freezers full of food that will be going to waste – if you’re prepped up for preserving meat there’s an opportunity …. neighbors bugging out? – opportunity to gain intel, barter for any SHTF type items and discuss you doing some “house watching” (get some formal authority & the keys if it feels correct) ….

this early bartering falls into the category of being adaptive and being pro-active – again you can”t be complacent that you’re all set and can cruze thru THIS particular SHTF – this SHTF suddenly takes a sharp turn and it’s a whole new SHTF ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:59 am


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
If you have done your homework “Prepping”, you should not need to barter until things settle down. Some will disagree, but I think the death rate would be greater than 90% within a year and greatest in cities and areas with severe weather. If any event would happen, others will follow. Just like more people die of disease during wars than battlefield wounds. The same would be true in any SHTF event. Nor will there be any shortage of people. Even if 90% died off, that still leaves over thirty million people to deal with.

I would guess the survival rate would very greatly by region. Rural people in mild climates would certainly have an advantage over urban areas or places with severe climates. Just like those with skills and knowledge will fair better than those who lack them.

The greatest problem with barter other than safety, is finding anyone with something you need or want. I believe there will be a thriving black market just like you see in third world countries today, but that is not barter – that is business! Swamp

I disagree on a couple of things …. and everything depends on the type of SHTF and the local situation ….

you never can be complacent about your preps – you always need to be re-supplying and upgrading your situation – taking advantage when it presents itself – if nothing else it keeps the OPSEC going post-SHTF ….

bartering can begin immediately after the SHTF hits home … you have neighbors with freezers full of food that will be going to waste – if you’re prepped up for preserving meat there’s an opportunity …. neighbors bugging out? – opportunity to gain intel, barter for any SHTF type items and discuss you doing some “house watching” (get some formal authority & the keys if it feels correct) ….

this early bartering falls into the category of being adaptive and being pro-active – again you can”t be complacent that you’re all set and can cruze thru THIS particular SHTF – this SHTF suddenly takes a sharp turn and it’s a whole new SHTF ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:59 am


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 daaswampman 0

If you have done your homework “Prepping”, you should not need to barter until things settle down. Some will disagree, but I think the death rate would be greater than 90% within a year and greatest in cities and areas with severe weather. If any event would happen, others will follow. Just like more people die of disease during wars than battlefield wounds. The same would be true in any SHTF event. Nor will there be any shortage of people. Even if 90% died off, that still leaves over thirty million people to deal with.

I would guess the survival rate would very greatly by region. Rural people in mild climates would certainly have an advantage over urban areas or places with severe climates. Just like those with skills and knowledge will fair better than those who lack them.

The greatest problem with barter other than safety, is finding anyone with something you need or want. I believe there will be a thriving black market just like you see in third world countries today, but that is not barter – that is business! Swamp

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 daaswampman 0

If you have done your homework “Prepping”, you should not need to barter until things settle down. Some will disagree, but I think the death rate would be greater than 90% within a year and greatest in cities and areas with severe weather. If any event would happen, others will follow. Just like more people die of disease during wars than battlefield wounds. The same would be true in any SHTF event. Nor will there be any shortage of people. Even if 90% died off, that still leaves over thirty million people to deal with.

I would guess the survival rate would very greatly by region. Rural people in mild climates would certainly have an advantage over urban areas or places with severe climates. Just like those with skills and knowledge will fair better than those who lack them.

The greatest problem with barter other than safety, is finding anyone with something you need or want. I believe there will be a thriving black market just like you see in third world countries today, but that is not barter – that is business! Swamp

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 IceFire 0
Cast Iron wrote:

AuntBee wrote:Those in rural areas will be in a much better situation than those in suburban and urban areas. You have skills and experience that most city people lack. Your location has better options for sanitation and water, and less competition for those resources. The fear is that the cities will try to run for the hills (Swamp’s Golden Hoard.). Most urban dwellers won’t do very well in that situation either. This isn’t a slam against us townies — we all have different skill sets, but ours won’t be as useful when it comes to self sufficiency.

Although, don’t discount the survival talents of a sewer rat vs. a country mouse. :evil:

Aunt Bee, may I assume “Swamp” is the handle for someone on this forum? And the “Golden Hoard” are those living in the 5 boroughs?

Cast Iron,

“Swamp” is the “nickname here for Daaswampman…yes, DEFINITELY a member here. As for the “Golden Horde”, that refers to those living in the cities (ANY large city, NOT just the 5 boroughs) that people expect will try to exit those cities when TSHTF, and think that they will try to “head for the hills” (or other rural areas.) Depending on whether/what type transportation is available, and weather conditions at the time, will determine whether or not a lot of them will survive the trip (not to mention the OTHER people on the same journey.

Statistics: Posted by IceFire — Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:37 pm


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 IceFire 0
Cast Iron wrote:

AuntBee wrote:Those in rural areas will be in a much better situation than those in suburban and urban areas. You have skills and experience that most city people lack. Your location has better options for sanitation and water, and less competition for those resources. The fear is that the cities will try to run for the hills (Swamp’s Golden Hoard.). Most urban dwellers won’t do very well in that situation either. This isn’t a slam against us townies — we all have different skill sets, but ours won’t be as useful when it comes to self sufficiency.

Although, don’t discount the survival talents of a sewer rat vs. a country mouse. :evil:

Aunt Bee, may I assume “Swamp” is the handle for someone on this forum? And the “Golden Hoard” are those living in the 5 boroughs?

Cast Iron,

“Swamp” is the “nickname here for Daaswampman…yes, DEFINITELY a member here. As for the “Golden Horde”, that refers to those living in the cities (ANY large city, NOT just the 5 boroughs) that people expect will try to exit those cities when TSHTF, and think that they will try to “head for the hills” (or other rural areas.) Depending on whether/what type transportation is available, and weather conditions at the time, will determine whether or not a lot of them will survive the trip (not to mention the OTHER people on the same journey.

Statistics: Posted by IceFire — Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:37 pm


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 IceFire 0
Cast Iron wrote:

AuntBee wrote:Those in rural areas will be in a much better situation than those in suburban and urban areas. You have skills and experience that most city people lack. Your location has better options for sanitation and water, and less competition for those resources. The fear is that the cities will try to run for the hills (Swamp’s Golden Hoard.). Most urban dwellers won’t do very well in that situation either. This isn’t a slam against us townies — we all have different skill sets, but ours won’t be as useful when it comes to self sufficiency.

Although, don’t discount the survival talents of a sewer rat vs. a country mouse. :evil:

Aunt Bee, may I assume “Swamp” is the handle for someone on this forum? And the “Golden Hoard” are those living in the 5 boroughs?

Cast Iron,

“Swamp” is the “nickname here for Daaswampman…yes, DEFINITELY a member here. As for the “Golden Horde”, that refers to those living in the cities (ANY large city, NOT just the 5 boroughs) that people expect will try to exit those cities when TSHTF, and think that they will try to “head for the hills” (or other rural areas.) Depending on whether/what type transportation is available, and weather conditions at the time, will determine whether or not a lot of them will survive the trip (not to mention the OTHER people on the same journey.

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 23, 2017 3ADScout 0
Illini Warrior wrote:
coffee is going to be one of those items after a month of depriving ….

One Month? I went a day without any coffee and the next morning I had a headache – drank two cups and it was gone. Really got me thinking about weaning myself off of coffee- but life is some much better with coffee – will wean myself when SHTF!

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 23, 2017 3ADScout 0
Illini Warrior wrote:
coffee is going to be one of those items after a month of depriving ….

One Month? I went a day without any coffee and the next morning I had a headache – drank two cups and it was gone. Really got me thinking about weaning myself off of coffee- but life is some much better with coffee – will wean myself when SHTF!

Statistics: Posted by 3ADScout — Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:31 pm


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 23, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
idahobeef wrote:
Spices (especiallly salt and pepper since they are so heavily used), bottled coffee (yes it exists, I got 20 of them for $1 at the Dolalr Store and they last a long time in the bottle), SMALL bottles of booze….that guy who survived the Yudoslav Civil War said if you were trading large bottles of ANYTHING, they’d just kill you for it (he mentioned shampoo when he said that). Beans last forever and everyone eats them and finally I would think tinned meats: meat doesnt last long unless its canned or otherwise preserved, and small cans are eary to tote around. We prefer those little suasages in water, Hormel? Cheers!

PS: and extra MEDICINES!

those $1 bottles of freeze dried coffee is the best deal going – it’s decent coffee for being instant – talking about people killing each other over stuff – coffee is going to be one of those items after a month of depriving ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:47 am


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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 23, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
idahobeef wrote:
Spices (especiallly salt and pepper since they are so heavily used), bottled coffee (yes it exists, I got 20 of them for $1 at the Dolalr Store and they last a long time in the bottle), SMALL bottles of booze….that guy who survived the Yudoslav Civil War said if you were trading large bottles of ANYTHING, they’d just kill you for it (he mentioned shampoo when he said that). Beans last forever and everyone eats them and finally I would think tinned meats: meat doesnt last long unless its canned or otherwise preserved, and small cans are eary to tote around. We prefer those little suasages in water, Hormel? Cheers!

PS: and extra MEDICINES!

those $1 bottles of freeze dried coffee is the best deal going – it’s decent coffee for being instant – talking about people killing each other over stuff – coffee is going to be one of those items after a month of depriving ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:47 am