Old shooter here, early on we did MOA, two of my high end sniper rifles wear high end Schmidt & Bender PMII scopes, it’s what I know. I also shoot other rifles with the new Vortex Gen II scopes which are MRAD the 4.5x27x56 EBR-2C scopes. Cool kit! Have three now on long range guns, as I can’t justify purchasing the S&B PMIIs after I retired.
My group, decided to break away from the MOA scopes, to the MRAD to learn. We have set up our shoot computers to put the distance Dope out in either or, with one click.
We also have older Super Sniper scopes these are fixed power in 10 and 16 power. For the money, not a bad scope at all. These scopes are mildot. These scopes give me more trouble then any other. I just forget the formula’s and how to,measure with the Dots.
Frankly I need to be up to,speed on the MilDot system as their are a metric ton of those systems in the world.”
It’s my understanding ” and I could be wrong” but doesn’t the ” inch” is in reference to the actual scope tube size? I’m having a brain fa-t, and can’t remember.
Regardless of what scope your using, become informed on what you have. Don’t care if it’s a fifty dollar scope, or a 4 k scope, at the end of the day, it’s the guy driving the rifle and scope that is the difference.
I attended my first tru LEO sniper basic school with a gold ring leupold scope, with capped MOA turrets. I was pretty much laughed at by the BIG DOG AGENCIES, with the cool guy stuff.
The instructors just shook their heads, one stated he had never had anybody show up with something like this scope. One of the instructors actuall took his scope off his rifle for me to use.
I refused but I was honored the instructor would do such a thing. 45 guys in the class. I had a beard, wore OD green pants, a tan uniform top, and a low slung 1911, with four 10 round mags. Everybody else had cool,guy camo on. I stood out like a sore thumb.
I also only had 500 rounds of match grade 308, the class flyer called for 500 so that’s what the agency ordered and provided. ” we actually need 800″ on the newer class requirements.
I was shooting an old clapped out Remington 700 with a Krieger barrel with roughly 10k thru it. The barrel was clapped out.
I shot this rifle every day, while on patrol, EVERYDAY. I knew the rifle, the scope, I shot is 110 degree weather and -20 below weather, up hill down hill. In huge wind, and I would shoot out to 1200y, not the standard 100y standard.
Nobody wanted to,partner with me the first day, so I shot on my own, which is how I worked, was use to,doing all the duties of sniper ship by myself, got very proficient.
275 round the first day. My rifle my scope my kit purred like a kitten, I did my best, I was polite I listened to the city slickers helpful tips. Even shook my head up and down like I just discovered fire for the first time.
After noon the instructors were keeping a close eye on me, smiling and having instructor meetings, and pointing at me. I was beginning to,think I had a third eye or something wierd. I was rocking it, I was clearly in the top 2 percent of the class.
I ran out of bullets by end of day two. I was embarrassed, when I had to tell the instructors I had already shot my 500 rounds. I then showed then the class flyer we had received and the fact that it called for 500 rounds.
I came back to my table after lunch and their was a 1000 rounds of federal match grade 175 g ammo. I never learned where it came from, and I tried to pay for it, not ecptable. I was greatful.
I had not been shooting mthe 175 g bullets, but the 168 g match grade rifle, a huge difference, my dope cards were for the 168 match kings. So I had to compensate. I was allowed to shoot across a digital crono, to learn my a real bullet speed.
I made close friends that week, life long friends, all world class shooters, some from police agencies, some from tier one military groups, some from three letter agencies. In fact many years later I learned that the guys in that class all kicked in and purchased that 1000 rounds of ammo for me, out of their own pockets. I was honored.
I shot 42nd out of 45 that first class. I was voted most improved, which I stood up,and turned down. Their were kids in the class who made dramatic improvements, they deserved that title.
Over beers with the instructors, we became life long friends. They still come to my area yearly shooting, they stay with me. We have a ball.
I still have that old ” gold ring” scope on one of my older sniper rifles, I will always have that scope. It will go to my son when I’m gone.
I don’t want to drop names but two of the guys are lead instructors with Viking Tactical shooting. Ram by some Delta Troopers.
And one is now lead instructor with ATN a night vision company. He training up troops and cops on the new ” white light” NODS and IR gear the new generation stuff, like the four to two NODS seen being used by DevGru, Team 6.
I’ve offered all of you a seat in a class were doing here first week of May. Got some SF boys coming in to teach a class, over the weekend. I’m hoping to also provide a night shoot for the class, and local agencies, to shoot the NEW white Light NODS and IR.
The guys who,build my rifles ” Northwest Rifle Actions” are providing a couple rifles with the long distant nODS and IR scopes mounted, for some comprehensive night shooting.
The class isn’t cheap, but I think worth it. 400/500 dollars, if you want to come your welcome to stay at my home. To help keep costs down for,you.
If your interested go over to a site named ” Mountain Guerrilla” web site, the guys nick name is John Mosbey, he has a fantastic reputation for no non sense training.
Sorry to be long winded.
Statistics: Posted by Dirk Williams — Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:02 pm