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Guns • RELOADING

February 12, 2017 donba 0

If I missed a thread please direct me. I would like to get a couple of books on the basics of reloading. Something someone that has no idea about reloading is all about, :? can learn enough to decide to get involved or not. :blush: Also maybe which is the best way to equip myself. A single set up like Lee loaders or one that can do mutable cal and Ga. I am a complete newbe on this.

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Financial Issues • Re: Are We Being Stupid????

February 12, 2017 ohiosusan89 0

Well we did it with the help of his 401k. Now that he is back at his old company we are working on building up the retirement account again with the strong conviction that we will not make the mistake of borrowing from it like we did with his old one.

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Introduce Yourself • Re: Hello All

February 12, 2017 IceFire 0

Welcome! To get you started with some things to think about, and to answer some of your questions, I suggest that you start in the “Getting Started – the Basics” section. A LOT of your questions may be answered there. If you STILL have questions, then ASK! Lots of experienced people here, who are good “resources”.

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Introduce Yourself • Re: Hello All

February 12, 2017 IceFire 0

Welcome! To get you started with some things to think about, and to answer some of your questions, I suggest that you start in the “Getting Started – the Basics” section. A LOT of your questions may be answered there. If you STILL have questions, then ASK! Lots of experienced people here, who are good “resources”.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 orangetom1999 0
Cast Iron wrote:

orangetom1999 wrote:I load a 250 grain Flat point bullet for my 41magnum..but it is a gas check bullet. This is the only calibration for which I have ever reloaded or shot a gas check bullet and it seems to work well in a Ruger Blackhawk in keeping down the leading. This is a hard recoiling bullet if you load it hot. It is designed for penetration..and energy delivery. I was impressed with the lack of leading as compared to some hot lead semi wadcutters I’ve loaded for 38 Special….non gas check.

Leading build up in the rifling can be a problem if the bullet is not sufficiently hard..in the mix.

I would think the same applies in .223 and even .308. Many people have used hard mix lead in cast bullets for .308 for years with good results. Gas Checks too.

You might want to start there for baseline figures on the hardness mix.

Overall though..I don’t think the pattern is to load cast bullets as high in the speed as plated bullets…or copper bullets.

My .02,
Orangetom

Thank you Orange Tom for your response.

I shot a friends .41 Magnum and enjoyed it throughly. A great round. Too bad it does not have a better following.

I think you addressed several of my most recent post findings, i.e. gas checks, hardness.

Please understand my thought line on this thread is if we have a SHTF event. If one has to resort to cast bullets, what are the logistical necessities to produce those bullets, what are the limitations of those bullets out of a short barreled AR15, with reliable feeding, in not only the security sense, but hunting as well.

Cast Iron,

Your questions and rationale behind them..I find perfectly reasonable.

I have explored similar in the arena of can I resize 30.06 brass down to .308 Winchester as they shoot the same diameter bullets..

I have had success in this endeavor of resizing 30.06 brass down to .308 and then shooting them at the range.

I have also resized 30.06 brass down to what is called 7.7mm Japanese Arisaka for just such an rifle. My main rationale for so doing is the very unavailability of 7.7mm Jap in the local stores. Simple logistics if you prefer. And when you can find 7.7mm Arisaka ammo it is rather pricey. Price is also a form of logistical availability.

As a furtherance of this principle…making do ..I have also explored converting .308 Winchester down to .243 Winchester Brass. This even though .243 is very commonly available in the stores across this nation. My rationale for this experiment is what would I do if it was not suddenly available??

So in some sense I have been working along similar lines.

I do tend to buy bullets in bulk from certain sources…by the 250 to 500 count. Many of them cast but copper plated bullets ..rifle and pistol.

I will be stocking up on more of these in the future…no matter who is in office at the White House.

I too keep a black powder rifle and pistol around as some of the posters have stated. A crossbow too..and the materials to make my own bolts or arrows if need be.

Some good posts on this topic here.

My .02,
Orangetom

Statistics: Posted by orangetom1999 — Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:31 pm


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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 orangetom1999 0
Cast Iron wrote:

orangetom1999 wrote:I load a 250 grain Flat point bullet for my 41magnum..but it is a gas check bullet. This is the only calibration for which I have ever reloaded or shot a gas check bullet and it seems to work well in a Ruger Blackhawk in keeping down the leading. This is a hard recoiling bullet if you load it hot. It is designed for penetration..and energy delivery. I was impressed with the lack of leading as compared to some hot lead semi wadcutters I’ve loaded for 38 Special….non gas check.

Leading build up in the rifling can be a problem if the bullet is not sufficiently hard..in the mix.

I would think the same applies in .223 and even .308. Many people have used hard mix lead in cast bullets for .308 for years with good results. Gas Checks too.

You might want to start there for baseline figures on the hardness mix.

Overall though..I don’t think the pattern is to load cast bullets as high in the speed as plated bullets…or copper bullets.

My .02,
Orangetom

Thank you Orange Tom for your response.

I shot a friends .41 Magnum and enjoyed it throughly. A great round. Too bad it does not have a better following.

I think you addressed several of my most recent post findings, i.e. gas checks, hardness.

Please understand my thought line on this thread is if we have a SHTF event. If one has to resort to cast bullets, what are the logistical necessities to produce those bullets, what are the limitations of those bullets out of a short barreled AR15, with reliable feeding, in not only the security sense, but hunting as well.

Cast Iron,

Your questions and rationale behind them..I find perfectly reasonable.

I have explored similar in the arena of can I resize 30.06 brass down to .308 Winchester as they shoot the same diameter bullets..

I have had success in this endeavor of resizing 30.06 brass down to .308 and then shooting them at the range.

I have also resized 30.06 brass down to what is called 7.7mm Japanese Arisaka for just such an rifle. My main rationale for so doing is the very unavailability of 7.7mm Jap in the local stores. Simple logistics if you prefer. And when you can find 7.7mm Arisaka ammo it is rather pricey. Price is also a form of logistical availability.

As a furtherance of this principle…making do ..I have also explored converting .308 Winchester down to .243 Winchester Brass. This even though .243 is very commonly available in the stores across this nation. My rationale for this experiment is what would I do if it was not suddenly available??

So in some sense I have been working along similar lines.

I do tend to buy bullets in bulk from certain sources…by the 250 to 500 count. Many of them cast but copper plated bullets ..rifle and pistol.

I will be stocking up on more of these in the future…no matter who is in office at the White House.

I too keep a black powder rifle and pistol around as some of the posters have stated. A crossbow too..and the materials to make my own bolts or arrows if need be.

Some good posts on this topic here.

My .02,
Orangetom

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Home School • Re: Home school Pros Vs. Cons…The dumbing down of our chil

February 12, 2017 anita 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
I hire a home schooled teenager to do odd jobs around my place. He has a work ethic, smarter than the average high schooler, and eager to learn. I give him a non-revisionist history lesson while we work. He earns money, learns something, and I get my faith in the new generation restored. Works for both of us.
Reb

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Home School • Re: Home school Pros Vs. Cons…The dumbing down of our chil

February 12, 2017 anita 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
I hire a home schooled teenager to do odd jobs around my place. He has a work ethic, smarter than the average high schooler, and eager to learn. I give him a non-revisionist history lesson while we work. He earns money, learns something, and I get my faith in the new generation restored. Works for both of us.
Reb

:thumbup:

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Home School • Re: Home school Pros Vs. Cons…The dumbing down of our chil

February 12, 2017 anita 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
I hire a home schooled teenager to do odd jobs around my place. He has a work ethic, smarter than the average high schooler, and eager to learn. I give him a non-revisionist history lesson while we work. He earns money, learns something, and I get my faith in the new generation restored. Works for both of us.
Reb

:thumbup:

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Introduce Yourself • 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 12, 2017 jeffsilver777 0

I admit that I am new to being a Prepper, and wanted to get guidance from the experts out there. I sealed dry foods [rice, beans, etc] in mylar bags with an oxygen absorber in each bag. Small mylar bags. Maybe about 3lbs. of food in each one.

Is it OK to just store these mylar bags neatly in a rubber maid tote with a secure lid? Or do I really need to use a bucket with a gasket sealed lid? Just curious because the mylar bags are fully sealed.

Thank you for your guidance up front!

Jeff

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Introduce Yourself • 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 12, 2017 jeffsilver777 0

I admit that I am new to being a Prepper, and wanted to get guidance from the experts out there. I sealed dry foods [rice, beans, etc] in mylar bags with an oxygen absorber in each bag. Small mylar bags. Maybe about 3lbs. of food in each one.

Is it OK to just store these mylar bags neatly in a rubber maid tote with a secure lid? Or do I really need to use a bucket with a gasket sealed lid? Just curious because the mylar bags are fully sealed.

Thank you for your guidance up front!

Jeff

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
apache235 wrote:
If we run out of modern components (should I say when?) a good muzzle loader will be your friend. I’m not into flint locks but it may come to that. I do have modern black powder guns but they still require caps and in some cases, cartridge cases which require primers. Making black powder isn’t hard, making good black powder is an art, having supplies would be something to think about and I have not until tonight.

Agreed.

Who here can produce modern smokeless powder, primers, brass or modern bullets without our current infrastructure?

I think caps for black powder is doable more so than primers for center fire rifles or pistols.
The technology has been around for a lot longer than smokeless, and doable for the average man than a specialist.

Least we be regulated to bow and arrows, swords and lances in a generation or two.

Something to consider.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
apache235 wrote:
If we run out of modern components (should I say when?) a good muzzle loader will be your friend. I’m not into flint locks but it may come to that. I do have modern black powder guns but they still require caps and in some cases, cartridge cases which require primers. Making black powder isn’t hard, making good black powder is an art, having supplies would be something to think about and I have not until tonight.

Agreed.

Who here can produce modern smokeless powder, primers, brass or modern bullets without our current infrastructure?

I think caps for black powder is doable more so than primers for center fire rifles or pistols.
The technology has been around for a lot longer than smokeless, and doable for the average man than a specialist.

Least we be regulated to bow and arrows, swords and lances in a generation or two.

Something to consider.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

February 12, 2017 IceFire 0
TRex2 wrote:

IceFire wrote:

farmer_dude48 wrote:I have a couple of questions if anybody can help…
I have a barn with all aluminum siding and roof and dirt floor would it serve as a faraday cage if I grounded the sides with ground rods ??
I have a 30 yr old garden tractor should it start and run after a EMP attack ??
Thanks guys I have tried to research this stuff and I just can’t seem to get my head rapped around it .. :?:?

If your garden tractor has plugs and points, it should be fine. I have a new tractor, but there are NO electronics on it…it’s plugs and points, and hydraulics. It will still run, even after an emp. I made sure I got one without electronics for just that reason.

I agree with you, but I have a couple of questions.
First, how did you find a new tractor with point and plugs?
(I could possibly be interested in one of those)
And I am curious, why did you go with gasoline instead of diesel?

Tractor is diesel, NOT gas. Found the tractor at a local dealer. The brand is LS. (They’re the blue ones) It’s a 25HP (not overkill for our 19 acres, but NOT underpowered, either) I got a front-end loader and back hoe on it, as well.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

February 12, 2017 IceFire 0
TRex2 wrote:

IceFire wrote:

farmer_dude48 wrote:I have a couple of questions if anybody can help…
I have a barn with all aluminum siding and roof and dirt floor would it serve as a faraday cage if I grounded the sides with ground rods ??
I have a 30 yr old garden tractor should it start and run after a EMP attack ??
Thanks guys I have tried to research this stuff and I just can’t seem to get my head rapped around it .. :?:?

If your garden tractor has plugs and points, it should be fine. I have a new tractor, but there are NO electronics on it…it’s plugs and points, and hydraulics. It will still run, even after an emp. I made sure I got one without electronics for just that reason.

I agree with you, but I have a couple of questions.
First, how did you find a new tractor with point and plugs?
(I could possibly be interested in one of those)
And I am curious, why did you go with gasoline instead of diesel?

Tractor is diesel, NOT gas. Found the tractor at a local dealer. The brand is LS. (They’re the blue ones) It’s a 25HP (not overkill for our 19 acres, but NOT underpowered, either) I got a front-end loader and back hoe on it, as well.

Statistics: Posted by IceFire — Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:59 pm


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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 apache235 0

If we run out of modern components (should I say when?) a good muzzle loader will be your friend. I’m not into flint locks but it may come to that. I do have modern black powder guns but they still require caps and in some cases, cartridge cases which require primers. Making black powder isn’t hard, making good black powder is an art, having supplies would be something to think about and I have not until tonight.

Statistics: Posted by apache235 — Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:36 pm


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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 apache235 0

If we run out of modern components (should I say when?) a good muzzle loader will be your friend. I’m not into flint locks but it may come to that. I do have modern black powder guns but they still require caps and in some cases, cartridge cases which require primers. Making black powder isn’t hard, making good black powder is an art, having supplies would be something to think about and I have not until tonight.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: FEBRUARY 2017- What Did You Do To Prep This Week/Month?

February 11, 2017 Cin 0

Me, not so much today, except small amounts of decluttering here and there. I think today is the first day I felt I’d thrown off the remnants of the flu we all caught 3 weeks ago.

Husband made hardtack and plans to vacuum seal it in jars, I think, after we sample it, of course. He also put the last bag of beans in mylar, oxygen absorber and DE buckets.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: FEBRUARY 2017- What Did You Do To Prep This Week/Month?

February 11, 2017 Cin 0

Me, not so much today, except small amounts of decluttering here and there. I think today is the first day I felt I’d thrown off the remnants of the flu we all caught 3 weeks ago.

Husband made hardtack and plans to vacuum seal it in jars, I think, after we sample it, of course. He also put the last bag of beans in mylar, oxygen absorber and DE buckets.

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Washington Discussion, News and Weather • Re: What is the first thing a beginning needs to do ?

February 11, 2017 Halmic73 0

I plan for everything in general but I always say no matter what happens you need to know the basics. I consider the basics as the “3” “W’s”
This is sometimes called the Law of the 3’s but I call them the 3 Ws because they have the denominator or 3 and I made them all begin with a W.

The Ws are Warmth, Water, and Wheat and it goes like this:

WARTH; 3 hours with a reduce body temperature = death by hypothermia
WATER; 3 days without hydration = death by dehydration
WHEAT; 3 weeks without food = death by starvation

Granted that with today’s modern medical miracles someone could be brought back from the brink of death after exceeding one of these 3s but the idea is that in a crisis you don’t have access to it.

This list helps in many situations. Consider being stranded in a car or lost out in the wilderness. You will likely get hungry and thirsty but hypothermia will kill you before either of those.

Example: a few weeks ago the local water department shut off the water. I immediately had my family begin filling the bathtub, sinks, and containers with water. Then I called and found out how long the water would be off. It was only a couple hours. Sure I have reserves l, but I won’t use them if I can use other resources.

After this I recommend education surrounding the 3 Ws. How to make a fire, stay warm, conserve heat and how to purify / distill water. The 3 Ws also help to prioritize what to put the most effort into learning.

You could add a 3th W for Weapons but a weapon doesn’t help keep you alive–it helps stop someone /something (bear, wolf) from living.

Statistics: Posted by Halmic73 — Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:22 pm