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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: FEBRUARY 2017- What Did You Do To Prep This Week/Month?

February 12, 2017 ajax727 0

I have been cleaning up around the fields , the storm laid down a few hardwood trees down , They have been cut up for firewood the limbs burnt . Had a few places washed out so have had several loads of dirt hauled in and leveled down . Damn washed out at the back end on my pond that will be the next thing to repair . But I can now walk down the run behind the pond on white sand it covered the muck mud up .
I did get to clean , oil and wipe down the tools in the gun box . Ammo that I has been purchase that was just stacked in a tote has now been added to the ammo box inventoried and added to the master list .
I did a trade with an old friend ,had several cases of 20 ga on hand not needed a large stack of sliver coins needed but used to sweeten the deal , a few gold rings stones removed and stored , ended up with two cases of 38 . one case of 44 mags and one can of 30 06 , one can of 5.56 .one can of 308 . and a NIB toy by Colt . We were both happy with the deal , I think I got the better deal with the toy added .

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Introduce Yourself • Re: 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 12, 2017 ReadyMom 0

I started prepping back in 2006, using 5 gallon buckets for dry goods. That was 11 years ago. I’m now 11 years older and not as strong. I’ve been repacking all my heavy dry goods into 3 gallon buckets, because I’ve found I can’t carry/move those darn 5 gallon buckets anymore. Heavy = 30+ pounds for items like sugar, brown sugar, salt, flour, baking soda, etc.

Just. Can’t. Move. Them. :(

Hubby’s getting older right along with me and young teenagers that were in the house are young 20-somethings with their own life. Unless they bug back to home, they won’t be here. So, don’t forget to keep that in mind, LONG term storage, too. -k

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Introduce Yourself • Re: 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 12, 2017 RayMac1963 0

Jeff, you got some good advice above. The only thing that you didn’t say that impacts your decision is whats your plan. If you’re rural and are storing to have long term inventory, or is this pre-packed in case of evac? Also, whats your transport in case of evac?

Personally, i use mylar zip bags in 5 gal buckets with gamma lids for long term dry goods. Toss some bay leaves and O2 scavengers in and i’m set. I also use 20 gal totes for survival gear and MREs/Mountain house and other food specifically pre staged in case of evac. I drive a truck so i can carry them, and i only use the 20gal size because i can still carry them from my basement no mater how full. (hence Watcher’s question). My advice, make your plan as flexible as possible based on what you think you may face.

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Self-Defense Skills You Need to Know

February 12, 2017 Cari Schofield 0

If you want to be truly prepared for any emergency situation, self-defense is an essential skill set. Preppers, in particular, need to know how to defend themselves during major emergencies, as they will typically be in possession of scarce resources that others will go to great lengths to get. Here are the four fundamental self-defense […]

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Guns • Re: Taurus Judge

February 12, 2017 ajax727 0

I am also a wheel gun lover and have a few of them different brand names and yes I do have a few auto’s also .
I have shot a judge more than a few times a friend has one . The 45 LC shot real well at 30 steps aka 30 yards groups of around three inches average spread , with BB’s at the same distance they spread out 24×24 target most hit it we did not count the holes but it was covered with little holes but we did fire several rounds each at it . At the same distance we fired several rounds of buckshot each and they spread out also covering the 24×24 target . IMHO it worked great felt good in the hand but is a little heavy also . To me a judge would be a nice little tool to have in the tool box .

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Introduce Yourself • Re: 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 12, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cast Iron wrote:
I had a red squirrel determined to gnaw through a five gallon bucket lid to get to the bird seed in there. I found it in time, but he sure did wreck that lid.

Later, I wrecked him with a hollow point pellet to the head.

most people don’t realize that these rodent types are capable of some almost supercreature behavior … had to give the bad word to a guy on another prepper site – he cut open a IBC tote and made it into a dry foods storage bin – thinking it was rodent proof – they can chew thru light sheetmetal and concrete if necessary – heavy plastic is just teasing them …

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Introduce Yourself • Re: 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 12, 2017 rickdun 0
Cast Iron wrote:
I had a red squirrel determined to gnaw through a five gallon bucket lid to get to the bird seed in there. I found it in time, but he sure did wreck that lid.

Later, I wrecked him with a hollow point pellet to the head.

UHMM, squirrel pot pie with potatoes, carrots, celery, gravey, sounds good.

If you do have trouble with mice, squirrels, etc., I’d go with the 5 gallon buckets with gamma lid. I do store items that are vaccum sealed in 15 gallon tots and store them under the work bench in my garage, but I don’t have the critter problem.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Thank you Orange Tom for your response and others who have responded as well.

It is good to know I am not too out there in my thinking of the logistical necessities required for loading cast, possible issues and limitations. And, having a black powder back up.
I should look into bows too.

I understand the rational for stockpiling long, stockpiling deep. Without modern infrastructure, and the logistical train, what you have on hand, maybe all you have.

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Guns • Re: RELOADING

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I started with this book: The ABCs of Reloading: The Definitive Guide for Novice to Expert, older edition though.
Do not read it once. Read it three or four times till you have complete understanding of the material.

And a few reloading books, Hornady at first. Later I added Lapua, Nosler, Lyman.

While dated, the Lapua manual was a excellent resource for nearly everything concerning reloading. I liked their explanation of Maximum Point Blank Range and they even provided tables for MPBR on a three inch target.

Some manuals are specific to their brand of bullets, i.e. Hornady will list only their bullets, Nosler theirs etc.
Some will only list a given brand of powders.

It is common practice to have multiple books on hand to cross reference or allow the reloader not to be limited to a given brand.

Bare in mind, all the manufactures listings are in controlled lab conditions, generally using Universal Receivers of a given barrel length or a particular fire arm. Their listings are suggested starting and maximum loads, and should get the reloader into the approximate FPS range. The only way to truly gauge a load for a rifle is to shoot it across a chronograph.
Every rifle is different, even those of the same make and model. Some will be more accurate with one load over another.
Faster is not always better.

I started with Lee, and have ever since, going on sixteen years now.
Some will dismiss Lee as a discount brand. I have had excellent results and many others have too.
Their customer service is excellent. I got a case jammed in a die, my fault, too much coffee that morning. I mailed it in to them asking for a quote to get it fixed. They did not bother calling me, but fixed it, cleaned it and sent it back with a handwritten thank you note. They sent the case back too.

Read a lot, ask a lot of questions. Best if you know someone who does their own reloads, and learn from them.
But I did it just by reading, and following the manuals. Still here, still have all my fingers, and my face has not been blown off.
I know. Someone reading that last sentence finished it with, “. . . yet!” ;)

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Looking for information on chemicals

February 12, 2017 Pedro wyoming 0

Greetings Murby and welcome to APN. First off, A big hat tip to Illini Warrior to his links. I will be down loading these PDFs for days!

Murby did not provide a definition of common chemicals in his OP. As a chemist in the oilfield, my list of common and yours may differ…YUK YUK YUK!

The links you provided are purty good shortform references with a few errors. I have slow download through 6 inches of snow on my satellite antenna ATM so i have only reviewed the first PDF that you linked. A glaring error that i saw was that dextrose was confused with glucose. Both are useful sugars but ARE NOT THE SAME! Particularly if mixing IV solutions. Another caution that i will add is that OTS “chemicals” are not likely to be the same formulation as the same branded products from the 70s or 80s due to proliferation of use in the illicit drug trade, restriction by a fedgov agency for no good reason or too many accidents by stupid people.

I do not know your experience or education but strongly suggest acquiring, at very least, an introductory education in chemistry at the local trade school or Jr college. Knowledge is a powerful thing but a little knowledge is a dangerous tool and a fearful master.

One more thing…just inquiring about about availability of some very useful chemicals can flag you as a ner do well…no matter whether you are preventing a fungus in horse hooves or cooking methamphetamine…same compound…vastly dissipate uses.

pW

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Guns • Re: Muzzleloader education

February 12, 2017 RockinB 0

I have 2 .50 Caliber rifles I’ve used for hunting. I started with a traditional Hawkins cap & ball with the hammer and moved quickly into a Knight inline. My Hawkins Cougar is hanging on the wall.

The cap & ball uses a #11 percussion cap primer on the nipple above the charge in the barrel to ignite the powder. The inline uses 209 shotgun primers inserted in a hard plastic disc and is loaded using a standard bolt action that encloses the loaded DISC tightly behind the charge in the barrel. We take deer up to 300 yards consistently using 3 pellets of White Hot powder with Hornady 300 grain SST bullets.

We also have 2 .44 caliber 1858 Remington revolvers. These are fun guns. I can also use them to slow down the family when the plinking gets out of hand. My kids can go through more than a few cases of 223/5.56 in a few hours. Same with 22’s shooting spinners. We shoot a lot out here and black powder revolvers slow everything down if I start getting nervous about how deep they’re going into our ammo storage. We keep enough Hornady ball, Hodgdon pyrodex and #10 percussion caps for 2,000 shots on hand for the revolvers. I have maybe enough supplies for 25-30 rifle loads. Rifles are used for muzzle-loading deer season and we don’t plink with them.

I would recommend going to Cabelas or Bass Pro Shops and picking up a black powder revolver with a small tackle box to store all the stuff you will need to shoot them. You will easily spend $400-$600 getting setup depending on how much ball & powder you want. You will need spare nipples, nipple wrenches, nipple cleaning wire tool, powder measures, powder flask, spare cylinders, barrel cleaning brushes, Pyrodex powder, ball ammo, #10 percussion caps, lubed wads to put on top of loose powder, and cylinder loading stands are nice to have. If you go with the .44 caliber revolver the ball size should be .457 or they may not stay snug on top of the charge. .451 doesn’t fit tight enough in either of my revolvers and the ball will not stay seated on the powder. One revolver is a Pietta and one is an Uberti and I have 6 spare cylinders, the .451 ball wont seat safely in any of them.

For a serious muzzle loading hunting rifle I would go with an inline Knight. Rifle, scope and all the stuff around $1500 easily to setup. We are shooting under 1/2″ MOA with these rifles at 100 yards.

Good luck out there.

Here are some info links….

http://hunting.about.com/od/blackpowder/
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Black-Powder
https://www.knightrifles.com/product-ca … leloaders/

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Introduce Yourself • Re: 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 12, 2017 donba 0

We store a lot of Dried food in 1/2 gallon ball jars. Beans, rice, and dehydrated, then suck the air out after putting in an oxygen eating packet. You can store sugar and salt this way also. We are in our 70s and don’t really plan on bugging out…….

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Guns • RELOADING

February 12, 2017 donba 0

If I missed a thread please direct me. I would like to get a couple of books on the basics of reloading. Something someone that has no idea about reloading is all about, :? can learn enough to decide to get involved or not. :blush: Also maybe which is the best way to equip myself. A single set up like Lee loaders or one that can do mutable cal and Ga. I am a complete newbe on this.

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Financial Issues • Re: Are We Being Stupid????

February 12, 2017 ohiosusan89 0

Well we did it with the help of his 401k. Now that he is back at his old company we are working on building up the retirement account again with the strong conviction that we will not make the mistake of borrowing from it like we did with his old one.

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Introduce Yourself • Re: Hello All

February 12, 2017 IceFire 0

Welcome! To get you started with some things to think about, and to answer some of your questions, I suggest that you start in the “Getting Started – the Basics” section. A LOT of your questions may be answered there. If you STILL have questions, then ASK! Lots of experienced people here, who are good “resources”.

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Introduce Yourself • Re: Hello All

February 12, 2017 IceFire 0

Welcome! To get you started with some things to think about, and to answer some of your questions, I suggest that you start in the “Getting Started – the Basics” section. A LOT of your questions may be answered there. If you STILL have questions, then ASK! Lots of experienced people here, who are good “resources”.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 orangetom1999 0
Cast Iron wrote:

orangetom1999 wrote:I load a 250 grain Flat point bullet for my 41magnum..but it is a gas check bullet. This is the only calibration for which I have ever reloaded or shot a gas check bullet and it seems to work well in a Ruger Blackhawk in keeping down the leading. This is a hard recoiling bullet if you load it hot. It is designed for penetration..and energy delivery. I was impressed with the lack of leading as compared to some hot lead semi wadcutters I’ve loaded for 38 Special….non gas check.

Leading build up in the rifling can be a problem if the bullet is not sufficiently hard..in the mix.

I would think the same applies in .223 and even .308. Many people have used hard mix lead in cast bullets for .308 for years with good results. Gas Checks too.

You might want to start there for baseline figures on the hardness mix.

Overall though..I don’t think the pattern is to load cast bullets as high in the speed as plated bullets…or copper bullets.

My .02,
Orangetom

Thank you Orange Tom for your response.

I shot a friends .41 Magnum and enjoyed it throughly. A great round. Too bad it does not have a better following.

I think you addressed several of my most recent post findings, i.e. gas checks, hardness.

Please understand my thought line on this thread is if we have a SHTF event. If one has to resort to cast bullets, what are the logistical necessities to produce those bullets, what are the limitations of those bullets out of a short barreled AR15, with reliable feeding, in not only the security sense, but hunting as well.

Cast Iron,

Your questions and rationale behind them..I find perfectly reasonable.

I have explored similar in the arena of can I resize 30.06 brass down to .308 Winchester as they shoot the same diameter bullets..

I have had success in this endeavor of resizing 30.06 brass down to .308 and then shooting them at the range.

I have also resized 30.06 brass down to what is called 7.7mm Japanese Arisaka for just such an rifle. My main rationale for so doing is the very unavailability of 7.7mm Jap in the local stores. Simple logistics if you prefer. And when you can find 7.7mm Arisaka ammo it is rather pricey. Price is also a form of logistical availability.

As a furtherance of this principle…making do ..I have also explored converting .308 Winchester down to .243 Winchester Brass. This even though .243 is very commonly available in the stores across this nation. My rationale for this experiment is what would I do if it was not suddenly available??

So in some sense I have been working along similar lines.

I do tend to buy bullets in bulk from certain sources…by the 250 to 500 count. Many of them cast but copper plated bullets ..rifle and pistol.

I will be stocking up on more of these in the future…no matter who is in office at the White House.

I too keep a black powder rifle and pistol around as some of the posters have stated. A crossbow too..and the materials to make my own bolts or arrows if need be.

Some good posts on this topic here.

My .02,
Orangetom

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 orangetom1999 0
Cast Iron wrote:

orangetom1999 wrote:I load a 250 grain Flat point bullet for my 41magnum..but it is a gas check bullet. This is the only calibration for which I have ever reloaded or shot a gas check bullet and it seems to work well in a Ruger Blackhawk in keeping down the leading. This is a hard recoiling bullet if you load it hot. It is designed for penetration..and energy delivery. I was impressed with the lack of leading as compared to some hot lead semi wadcutters I’ve loaded for 38 Special….non gas check.

Leading build up in the rifling can be a problem if the bullet is not sufficiently hard..in the mix.

I would think the same applies in .223 and even .308. Many people have used hard mix lead in cast bullets for .308 for years with good results. Gas Checks too.

You might want to start there for baseline figures on the hardness mix.

Overall though..I don’t think the pattern is to load cast bullets as high in the speed as plated bullets…or copper bullets.

My .02,
Orangetom

Thank you Orange Tom for your response.

I shot a friends .41 Magnum and enjoyed it throughly. A great round. Too bad it does not have a better following.

I think you addressed several of my most recent post findings, i.e. gas checks, hardness.

Please understand my thought line on this thread is if we have a SHTF event. If one has to resort to cast bullets, what are the logistical necessities to produce those bullets, what are the limitations of those bullets out of a short barreled AR15, with reliable feeding, in not only the security sense, but hunting as well.

Cast Iron,

Your questions and rationale behind them..I find perfectly reasonable.

I have explored similar in the arena of can I resize 30.06 brass down to .308 Winchester as they shoot the same diameter bullets..

I have had success in this endeavor of resizing 30.06 brass down to .308 and then shooting them at the range.

I have also resized 30.06 brass down to what is called 7.7mm Japanese Arisaka for just such an rifle. My main rationale for so doing is the very unavailability of 7.7mm Jap in the local stores. Simple logistics if you prefer. And when you can find 7.7mm Arisaka ammo it is rather pricey. Price is also a form of logistical availability.

As a furtherance of this principle…making do ..I have also explored converting .308 Winchester down to .243 Winchester Brass. This even though .243 is very commonly available in the stores across this nation. My rationale for this experiment is what would I do if it was not suddenly available??

So in some sense I have been working along similar lines.

I do tend to buy bullets in bulk from certain sources…by the 250 to 500 count. Many of them cast but copper plated bullets ..rifle and pistol.

I will be stocking up on more of these in the future…no matter who is in office at the White House.

I too keep a black powder rifle and pistol around as some of the posters have stated. A crossbow too..and the materials to make my own bolts or arrows if need be.

Some good posts on this topic here.

My .02,
Orangetom

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Home School • Re: Home school Pros Vs. Cons…The dumbing down of our chil

February 12, 2017 anita 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
I hire a home schooled teenager to do odd jobs around my place. He has a work ethic, smarter than the average high schooler, and eager to learn. I give him a non-revisionist history lesson while we work. He earns money, learns something, and I get my faith in the new generation restored. Works for both of us.
Reb

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Home School • Re: Home school Pros Vs. Cons…The dumbing down of our chil

February 12, 2017 anita 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
I hire a home schooled teenager to do odd jobs around my place. He has a work ethic, smarter than the average high schooler, and eager to learn. I give him a non-revisionist history lesson while we work. He earns money, learns something, and I get my faith in the new generation restored. Works for both of us.
Reb

:thumbup:

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Home School • Re: Home school Pros Vs. Cons…The dumbing down of our chil

February 12, 2017 anita 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
I hire a home schooled teenager to do odd jobs around my place. He has a work ethic, smarter than the average high schooler, and eager to learn. I give him a non-revisionist history lesson while we work. He earns money, learns something, and I get my faith in the new generation restored. Works for both of us.
Reb

:thumbup:

Statistics: Posted by anita — Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:16 pm