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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 16, 2017 IceFire 0

Dang! My whole post disappeared! I’ll try to re-create it.

Around here, the County Sheriff’s Deputies ARE my neighbors! Along with a bunch of State cops, Arizona Rangers, Border Patrol, Forest Service (to include Forest Service Law Enforcement), town cops, current and former/retired military, as well. As for the old folks, well they’re almost ALL armed, as well (and know how to use them.) We look after our neighbors in these parts. Anything suspicious happens, EVERYONE knows about it in short order.

Anyone STUPID enough to try to break into an “unoccupied” home will likely NOT last past the first attempt at their “B and E”. The only other “unoccupied” property is BLM or other “raw” land. By that, I mean NO water (unless someone has a drill rig and can drill down 400 feet and hopefully hit water), NO shelter, and No food (unless they have the knowledge and skills/equipment to hunt rabbits and forage mesquite “beans”, along with the means to cook them) just LOTS of mesquite, various types of cactus, grasses, and noxious weeds (tumbleweeds and silver nightshade being the most prevalent.) Good luck with that.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 16, 2017 IceFire 0

Dang! My whole post disappeared! I’ll try to re-create it.

Around here, the County Sheriff’s Deputies ARE my neighbors! Along with a bunch of State cops, Arizona Rangers, Border Patrol, Forest Service (to include Forest Service Law Enforcement), town cops, current and former/retired military, as well. As for the old folks, well they’re almost ALL armed, as well (and know how to use them.) We look after our neighbors in these parts. Anything suspicious happens, EVERYONE knows about it in short order.

Anyone STUPID enough to try to break into an “unoccupied” home will likely NOT last past the first attempt at their “B and E”. The only other “unoccupied” property is BLM or other “raw” land. By that, I mean NO water (unless someone has a drill rig and can drill down 400 feet and hopefully hit water), NO shelter, and No food (unless they have the knowledge and skills/equipment to hunt rabbits and forage mesquite “beans”, along with the means to cook them) just LOTS of mesquite, various types of cactus, grasses, and noxious weeds (tumbleweeds and silver nightshade being the most prevalent.) Good luck with that.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Primary Four Prepper Needs

July 16, 2017 NJMike 0

If it’s a storm coming, in NJ it’s called French Toast Fixins- Bread, Milk, Eggs, and buying up all the Water in a store to make coffee to wash that down. Just a little local humor.

Different situations warrant different needs. Yes; water and food, shelter and security are important. So is hygiene, sanitation, and access to medical treatment. Just to be different, I’m going to throw out Situational Awareness, Resourcefulness, Social Acumen, and Health as personal needs to get through a crisis.

I’d also throw in Luck for good measure. One could find themselves in a BOL surrounded by food, water, supplies, and a group of like-minded friends, but if you’re unlucky and find yourself in ground zero of a nuke, meteor, or a plane falling out of the sky during an HEMP attack, then that’s the breaks.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Primary Four Prepper Needs

July 16, 2017 NJMike 0

If it’s a storm coming, in NJ it’s called French Toast Fixins- Bread, Milk, Eggs, and buying up all the Water in a store to make coffee to wash that down. Just a little local humor.

Different situations warrant different needs. Yes; water and food, shelter and security are important. So is hygiene, sanitation, and access to medical treatment. Just to be different, I’m going to throw out Situational Awareness, Resourcefulness, Social Acumen, and Health as personal needs to get through a crisis.

I’d also throw in Luck for good measure. One could find themselves in a BOL surrounded by food, water, supplies, and a group of like-minded friends, but if you’re unlucky and find yourself in ground zero of a nuke, meteor, or a plane falling out of the sky during an HEMP attack, then that’s the breaks.

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Is it time to get rid of cash?

July 16, 2017 anita 0
daaswampman wrote:
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“At Visa, we believe you can be everywhere you want to be, and that it should be easy to pay and be paid in more ways than ever – whether it’s a phone, card, wearable or other device,” said Jack Forestell, head of global merchant solutions, Visa Inc. –snip–

How ironic that Visa believes we should be able to pay and be paid in more ways than ever, but is trying to eliminate cash. Doesn’t that mean they are trying to reduce payment methods?

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Is it time to get rid of cash?

July 16, 2017 anita 0
daaswampman wrote:
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“At Visa, we believe you can be everywhere you want to be, and that it should be easy to pay and be paid in more ways than ever – whether it’s a phone, card, wearable or other device,” said Jack Forestell, head of global merchant solutions, Visa Inc. –snip–

How ironic that Visa believes we should be able to pay and be paid in more ways than ever, but is trying to eliminate cash. Doesn’t that mean they are trying to reduce payment methods?

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Primary Four Prepper Needs

July 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

I am always amused that people think there are simple answers for complex issues! Glad Permafrost weighed in. Our situations could not be any more different, but neither one of us will last long on the Old Prepper’s Myth of a gallon of water a day. We also have very different needs for food, shelter, security, weapons, and I would guess just about everything else. Swamp

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Primary Four Prepper Needs

July 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

I am always amused that people think there are simple answers for complex issues! Glad Permafrost weighed in. Our situations could not be any more different, but neither one of us will last long on the Old Prepper’s Myth of a gallon of water a day. We also have very different needs for food, shelter, security, weapons, and I would guess just about everything else. Swamp

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Is it time to get rid of cash?

July 16, 2017 NJMike 0

Cashless will happen eventually on the current trajectory of BIG business and government alignment. The government wants to get rid of cash too. Then everything is track-able, traceable, taxable, and controllable. This benefits banks, business and government. Then someone will come around and grab up everyone’s PMs, or find a means to devalue them. People will be taxed on self-sufficiency (more licensing requirements and inspections on animals, limitations on exchanging goods, high fees to have non-robot cars, etc). “Progress” might be slowed given the election upset, but it’s moving along nonetheless.

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Is it time to get rid of cash?

July 16, 2017 NJMike 0

Cashless will happen eventually on the current trajectory of BIG business and government alignment. The government wants to get rid of cash too. Then everything is track-able, traceable, taxable, and controllable. This benefits banks, business and government. Then someone will come around and grab up everyone’s PMs, or find a means to devalue them. People will be taxed on self-sufficiency (more licensing requirements and inspections on animals, limitations on exchanging goods, high fees to have non-robot cars, etc). “Progress” might be slowed given the election upset, but it’s moving along nonetheless.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 16, 2017 NJMike 0
Cadit wrote:
I see a lot of truth stated here, but some Bull S**t too. First off, there will be so many die right off the bat. Then you have those that will be killing and looting the cities and towns. After a short time of those type of activities; diseases will start up. So in a very short time, our population will dwindle considerably. People are not given to change that well, so most will stay where they are, resisting that urge to run. We are creatures of habit and most times that will lead to ones death in a SHTF event.

While I don’t want to disagree with your described scenario, I do want to suggest that there are many flavors and degrees of SHTF scenarios, and perhaps scenarios that are more likely do not have the die off, WROL, environment that you are contemplating.

I do believe that local order will be established locally, resources permitting, so WROL is perhaps something to consider in more rural areas where there is more real estate to cover. I don’t see cities melting down unless in the most desperate of situations. It may of course depend on the city and its strategic significance. What’s more likely is strict martial law, rationing, and confiscations. Nomads = Looters in many scenarios where there is any semblance of rule of law, given any established local authority (military, local law, militia, individuals). Armed groups of nomads will be disarmed or shot in dire scenarios. Campers = Squatters = resting Nomads/potential Looters in rule of law scenarios, and thus I’d expect wandering masses herded into formal camps, maybe even those FEMA camps some are paranoid about.

All the above is conjecture. It’s all conjecture until it happens.

To bring this more back on topic, I’d suggest in most nation wide scenarios that bug in, or a formal BOL, may be better as a first recourse. You know your ground, you know your neighbors, you know resources, you know your situation. However, one has be able to discern their area of operations being seriously compromised and then move on from there. I then think camping would be a needed short term strategy to utilize in a bug out from an established location. One should consider in camping whether a large group is a benefit or a liability for them. There are pros and cons to both large and small groups.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 16, 2017 NJMike 0
Cadit wrote:
I see a lot of truth stated here, but some Bull S**t too. First off, there will be so many die right off the bat. Then you have those that will be killing and looting the cities and towns. After a short time of those type of activities; diseases will start up. So in a very short time, our population will dwindle considerably. People are not given to change that well, so most will stay where they are, resisting that urge to run. We are creatures of habit and most times that will lead to ones death in a SHTF event.

While I don’t want to disagree with your described scenario, I do want to suggest that there are many flavors and degrees of SHTF scenarios, and perhaps scenarios that are more likely do not have the die off, WROL, environment that you are contemplating.

I do believe that local order will be established locally, resources permitting, so WROL is perhaps something to consider in more rural areas where there is more real estate to cover. I don’t see cities melting down unless in the most desperate of situations. It may of course depend on the city and its strategic significance. What’s more likely is strict martial law, rationing, and confiscations. Nomads = Looters in many scenarios where there is any semblance of rule of law, given any established local authority (military, local law, militia, individuals). Armed groups of nomads will be disarmed or shot in dire scenarios. Campers = Squatters = resting Nomads/potential Looters in rule of law scenarios, and thus I’d expect wandering masses herded into formal camps, maybe even those FEMA camps some are paranoid about.

All the above is conjecture. It’s all conjecture until it happens.

To bring this more back on topic, I’d suggest in most nation wide scenarios that bug in, or a formal BOL, may be better as a first recourse. You know your ground, you know your neighbors, you know resources, you know your situation. However, one has be able to discern their area of operations being seriously compromised and then move on from there. I then think camping would be a needed short term strategy to utilize in a bug out from an established location. One should consider in camping whether a large group is a benefit or a liability for them. There are pros and cons to both large and small groups.

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Is it time to get rid of cash?

July 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

I think the entire western world is dead broke and a credit float is the only thing keeping our illusion of prosperity alive! It literally allows multiple people to claim the same imaginary credit at the same time and every agent to gleam their small cut. Something that is not possible with real money or even fiat cash!

I used to keep a lot of cash, but now I dump it for real wealth at the first opportunity. Sometimes I feel like the bum holding the sigh the end is near, is actually a prophet. Swamp

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Randon thought – refugees

July 16, 2017 Stahlrosen 0

Perma, I agree with the other sentiments. Go with your instincts, if it doesn’t feel right, it probably isn’t. That “funny feeling” one gets is there for a reason.
We used to go to a local restaurant occasionally and one of the waitresses just made me uncomfortable. She seemed perfectly nice and all, there was just something about her that set the neck hairs up. Come to find out she was hooked in with a bunch of drug dealers and off cheating on her husband. Creepy. So I always trust that funny feeling I get about some people or situations.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

It would take someone from the city to think of a plan that ignorant and out of touch with life outside the city limits. Do you really believe there are millions of abandoned homesteads waiting to be taken and nobody would notice! Here is a clue – there’s not! Any land worth having has value and somebody already wants it. The few rural homes in this area that are abandoned, are also uninhabitable.

Then there is the issue with the County Sheriffs! They are very likely to be the last law standing following SHTF and they don’t tend to be all warm and fuzzy to trespassers and outsiders! Then there are the neighbors who most likely know their neighbors and their relatives.

If you get past all that, city ain’t the only ones making plans. Do you actually think we would leave these places standing, knowing the problems they would cause? The moment we know – they go! The last thing we need is refugees and that includes the ones we know. Personally I doubt many vacation homes would still be standing considering current feelings. Swamp

A scorched-earth policy is a military strategy that targets anything that might be useful to the enemy.

Statistics: Posted by daaswampman — Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:25 pm