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August 31, 2017 idahobeef 0

Instead of moving (which we have pondered), I WAS thinking of moving it all into a storage unit. Ours has brick walls, steel bars, and barbed wire at the top, so it’d be a great place to bug out too, haha. Plus they are very well insulated and air conditioned (we live in a desert), and have low access routes. I honestly dont think anyone will be looking for FOOD at a storage unit place. Well its cheapert than moving and I can rent a HUGE one for just $80, hehe. Thoughts? Comments?

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August 31, 2017 IceFire 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Something else expensive is Karo syrup, I buy the off brands in quantity when I need to stock up. Keep 4 or 5 bottles on hand.

I’ve noticed that the price of Karo syrup goes DOWN quite a bit during the run-up to Thanksgiving (canned pumpkin and molasses, as well) Plus, there are frequently coupons for Karo during the same time frame. So, I take my coupons and stock up at the lower price.

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August 31, 2017 IceFire 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Something else expensive is Karo syrup, I buy the off brands in quantity when I need to stock up. Keep 4 or 5 bottles on hand.

I’ve noticed that the price of Karo syrup goes DOWN quite a bit during the run-up to Thanksgiving (canned pumpkin and molasses, as well) Plus, there are frequently coupons for Karo during the same time frame. So, I take my coupons and stock up at the lower price.

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August 30, 2017 rickdun 0

idahobeef, you know the old saying, “a slip of the lip will sink a ship”.

Nobody, that means family, friends, neighbors (only have 3 neighbors), etc., know exactly what we have. :shakeno: If the shtf, there will be about 12 of us here on the farm, all family. The only reason I’ve invited my two sisters and their husbands is because my sisters are RN’s.

All those family members have a list of what to bring, all food they have, guns, ammo, fuel, cloths, bedding, medical supplies, all their vehicles, etc..

Those family members know that the farm will be Custer’s last stand and that’s all they know.

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August 30, 2017 rickdun 0

idahobeef, you know the old saying, “a slip of the lip will sink a ship”.

Nobody, that means family, friends, neighbors (only have 3 neighbors), etc., know exactly what we have. :shakeno: If the shtf, there will be about 12 of us here on the farm, all family. The only reason I’ve invited my two sisters and their husbands is because my sisters are RN’s.

All those family members have a list of what to bring, all food they have, guns, ammo, fuel, cloths, bedding, medical supplies, all their vehicles, etc..

Those family members know that the farm will be Custer’s last stand and that’s all they know.

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August 30, 2017 sageprice 0

This is why you keep a low profile. Try not to look to fat and this is a time to diet. Remember those hungry hordes will be dead with out water and shelter. HMMM, no tap water, no heat, no narcotics, and they have to walk to get to the next town. No food is the least of their troubles. :gunshooting:

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August 30, 2017 sageprice 0

This is why you keep a low profile. Try not to look to fat and this is a time to diet. Remember those hungry hordes will be dead with out water and shelter. HMMM, no tap water, no heat, no narcotics, and they have to walk to get to the next town. No food is the least of their troubles. :gunshooting:

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August 30, 2017 sageprice 0

This is why you keep a low profile. Try not to look to fat and this is a time to diet. Remember those hungry hordes will be dead with out water and shelter. HMMM, no tap water, no heat, no narcotics, and they have to walk to get to the next town. No food is the least of their troubles. :gunshooting:

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August 29, 2017 angie_nrs 0

Not to stray too far from the subject….but….

Does anyone know why butter and cheese prices have spiked when milk prices are still low? Last year I stocked the freezer up on cheese 3 for $5 (8 oz pkgs) and butter was $1.99 per pound. I’ve noticed cheese hasn’t been going on sale much but at best I see 2 for $4 and butter is $3.79 per pound ON SALE. :eek: This is at the local grocer, so I’ll have to peek at Aldi the next time I’m there.

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August 29, 2017 angie_nrs 0

Not to stray too far from the subject….but….

Does anyone know why butter and cheese prices have spiked when milk prices are still low? Last year I stocked the freezer up on cheese 3 for $5 (8 oz pkgs) and butter was $1.99 per pound. I’ve noticed cheese hasn’t been going on sale much but at best I see 2 for $4 and butter is $3.79 per pound ON SALE. :eek: This is at the local grocer, so I’ll have to peek at Aldi the next time I’m there.

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August 29, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0

Right there with ya….lessons learned.

As Angie said, moving is the only real solution…anything else at this point results in zombies at the door.

Stashing your stuff might save you some loss but they’ll still be coming. desperation when nothing found will lead to further violence. So IF you survive it, sure, there’s supplies to fall back on.

I went with a combination of going grey, stashing and displaying hard target.

The cats outa the bag, cant put it back, so I decided to make myself a very visible hard target until we actually move. Verbally and visible. AR’s in full site going to the range every weekend for practice, 1000 rounds visible at purchase, Very frank talks with neighbors of training every weekend for long range and CQB training with vets and local sheriffs that have formed a network(Happens to be true)…..Discussions of how(And this actually happened) a work associate stated to me “They don’t need to prep, He’ll just show up at my front door if SHTF…ha, ha, ha”…..And how I told him very seriously I answered “If SHTF and anyone shows up at my door for anything that they will be met with the wrong end of a barrel by multiple Vets and myself…No one would be allowed in and no extra food will be available to leave and bodies on the lawn will help us deter the next door knocker.”………..

This was stated to the nosey neighbor that often offers his un-asked opinion on the neighborhood goings-on in day to day conversations……I know my message got out when another prepped neighbor told me he heard about the conversation….lol……he also heard from same said neighbor that I had sold my stuff(Food) as I was in financial hardship…lol…another white lie.

Truth is, nothing short of moving will fix this….But, hard target ideology will deter all but the most desperate and if it comes to that, neighbors would be hit first(softer targets), and then they’ll hit you after all others have been hit and they were going to hit you eventually anyways…..With enough time passing in a SHTF it’s inevitable whether you’re known as a prepper or not so better be prepped for that as well.

Anyone here can disagree but no one will state anything other than opinion since it’s not happened yet in the US……This is the route I chose. It doesn’t matter since the cats outa the bag and can never be put back in.

Best solution if you ever open your big fat mouth is to move….The only real security is to never open said mouth to begin with……
If you already have, like the dumb-asss that I was, broadcast :tank::gunsmile::gunshooting::gunsmile:hard target :gunsmile::gunshooting::gunsmile::tank: until you move.

We still wave to each other but the prepping jokes stopped immediately. ;)

my $.02

~D

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August 29, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0

Right there with ya….lessons learned.

As Angie said, moving is the only real solution…anything else at this point results in zombies at the door.

Stashing your stuff might save you some loss but they’ll still be coming. desperation when nothing found will lead to further violence. So IF you survive it, sure, there’s supplies to fall back on.

I went with a combination of going grey, stashing and displaying hard target.

The cats outa the bag, cant put it back, so I decided to make myself a very visible hard target until we actually move. Verbally and visible. AR’s in full site going to the range every weekend for practice, 1000 rounds visible at purchase, Very frank talks with neighbors of training every weekend for long range and CQB training with vets and local sheriffs that have formed a network(Happens to be true)…..Discussions of how(And this actually happened) a work associate stated to me “They don’t need to prep, He’ll just show up at my front door if SHTF…ha, ha, ha”…..And how I told him very seriously I answered “If SHTF and anyone shows up at my door for anything that they will be met with the wrong end of a barrel by multiple Vets and myself…No one would be allowed in and no extra food will be available to leave and bodies on the lawn will help us deter the next door knocker.”………..

This was stated to the nosey neighbor that often offers his un-asked opinion on the neighborhood goings-on in day to day conversations……I know my message got out when another prepped neighbor told me he heard about the conversation….lol……he also heard from same said neighbor that I had sold my stuff(Food) as I was in financial hardship…lol…another white lie.

Truth is, nothing short of moving will fix this….But, hard target ideology will deter all but the most desperate and if it comes to that, neighbors would be hit first(softer targets), and then they’ll hit you after all others have been hit and they were going to hit you eventually anyways…..With enough time passing in a SHTF it’s inevitable whether you’re known as a prepper or not so better be prepped for that as well.

Anyone here can disagree but no one will state anything other than opinion since it’s not happened yet in the US……This is the route I chose. It doesn’t matter since the cats outa the bag and can never be put back in.

Best solution if you ever open your big fat mouth is to move….The only real security is to never open said mouth to begin with……
If you already have, like the dumb-asss that I was, broadcast :tank::gunsmile::gunshooting::gunsmile:hard target :gunsmile::gunshooting::gunsmile::tank: until you move.

We still wave to each other but the prepping jokes stopped immediately. ;)

my $.02

~D

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August 29, 2017 derhaashund 0

Agree with the try the off brand sentiment. I work in the food industry and I will tell you co packing is common. So, even if it says Aldi on the label, it may be made at a JIF plant. We always say, our biggest competitor is also our biggest customer. We do some co packing for Aldi and to be honest, I like what we make for them better than our “name brand” product.

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August 29, 2017 derhaashund 0

Agree with the try the off brand sentiment. I work in the food industry and I will tell you co packing is common. So, even if it says Aldi on the label, it may be made at a JIF plant. We always say, our biggest competitor is also our biggest customer. We do some co packing for Aldi and to be honest, I like what we make for them better than our “name brand” product.

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August 29, 2017 ReadyMom 0

Agreed on the off-brand peanut butter! I stocked up on PB, when I was getting it for .89 cents/jar at a discount grocery store! I got several cases. We are STILL eating it and it seems fine. When I see the same size jars now, they are close to $3/jar.

I haven’t been to the discount grocery where I found this PB in a while because I was running out of space to store my foods. Had to start using what I had more often, since no SHTF happened :bored: . I’m in the midst of taking a full inventory, this summer, so I’ll be restocking some items and will see what its selling for there, then.

You are right … when you prep ahead, the next time you shop for something, sticker shock is pretty frightening! When I stocked my freezer with ground beef it was about .99/lb. When I needed to restock it was about $2.99/lb. I near died! :o -k

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August 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
idahobeef wrote:
Wow, I think we as a prepper family have made a huge mistake. I have been reading a bunch of post-EMP books lately and never considered the HUGE numbers of hungry hoard people who’d attack and wipe out entire towns. This can include your neighbors! Our family has stocked up on way too much to really flee the area to safety. In addition, we’ve told neighbors, friends, and distant family to “prep” and now they KNOW we have lots of extra food. Your neighbor or friend may HAVE to kill you to keep their kids from starving; what a thought. I wish we hadn’t told everyone to prep, I bet 90% of them haven’t. We’d been much better off if no one knew what we had. In hindsight, that was pretty foolish.

you don’t have to wait to be home invaded and killed – you don’t think the everyday crooky-de-crook doesn’t know what a prepper is? – won’t be coming for your beenie weenie either – common knowledge there’s other pawnable goodies like guns/ammo, $$$$, drugs, camp gear, electronics ect ect ….

you open your mouth or leave a visible trail (like unloading a Cosco run in front of neighbors or leaving the garage door open for everyone to read your prep tote labels) – expect some trouble down the road – if you follow the prepper forums/blogs you’ll read the about the exposure problems and horror that fellow preppers have experienced – it doesn’t take a nuke war – just 3-4 days of winter off grid and frantic sheeple ….

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August 29, 2017 Genevieve 0

The main reason we’ve told no one that we have supplies is because we know they would do what they could to just take them.

We’re the only ones on our dirt lane that work( 5 houses). All the others are on some sort of relief ( wic, snap,etc) and do nothing to better themselves. they don’t even try to grow tomatoes in a bucket or something for them to eat

We just hope they all go to shelters or something because we’ll be staying here

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August 29, 2017 handyman777 0
idahobeef wrote:
Wow, I think we as a prepper family have made a huge mistake. I have been reading a bunch of post-EMP books lately and never considered the HUGE numbers of hungry hoard people who’d attack and wipe out entire towns. This can include your neighbors! Our family has stocked up on way too much to really flee the area to safety. In addition, we’ve told neighbors, friends, and distant family to “prep” and now they KNOW we have lots of extra food. Your neighbor or friend may HAVE to kill you to keep their kids from starving; what a thought. I wish we hadn’t told everyone to prep, I bet 90% of them haven’t. We’d been much better off if no one knew what we had. In hindsight, that was pretty foolish.

You need to go (gray), tell any who ask about your prepping that you quit and you sold most of your goods: (LIE) You Know; ;) nothing has happened, nothing is going to happen and I’m done prepping. :nervous:
Just keep your inner most circle close and on the same page. OR MOVE and stay quiet.

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August 29, 2017 angie_nrs 0

You can still get good deals on PB if you’re not stuck on a particular brand. I tried Aldi PB a while back and was surprised with the creaminess of it. I really liked it and therefore have stocked that. I don’t remember how much it was, but it was pretty cheap. I’ve also used our local grocers brand and that was good too. I doubt most people will care what brand the food is when it is truly needed. I love to make sure I have plenty of PB on hand b/c it is so versatile, has a good amount of calories in it, doesn’t require cooking, and is a comfort food. Who doesn’t like PB? I’m so glad I don’t have an allergy to it!

Anyways, if you have an Aldi near you, try the PB and let me know what you think.

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August 29, 2017 angie_nrs 0

Well since the cat is out of the bag, really the only thing you can do is either move, move your stuff, or hide your stuff. None of those options are likely very convenient for you. But, since the word is already out, maybe you could start a group in your area? At least then you wouldn’t be alone in your efforts. If you decide to get a BOL, now you know to keep that information and location private, especially since people know you prep or your BOL will become a target as well.

It sounds like you read “One Second After”.

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August 29, 2017 idahobeef 0

Wow, I think we as a prepper family have made a huge mistake. I have been reading a bunch of post-EMP books lately and never considered the HUGE numbers of hungry hoard people who’d attack and wipe out entire towns. This can include your neighbors! Our family has stocked up on way too much to really flee the area to safety. In addition, we’ve told neighbors, friends, and distant family to “prep” and now they KNOW we have lots of extra food. Your neighbor or friend may HAVE to kill you to keep their kids from starving; what a thought. I wish we hadn’t told everyone to prep, I bet 90% of them haven’t. We’d been much better off if no one knew what we had. In hindsight, that was pretty foolish.

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August 29, 2017 idahobeef 0

Sooooo, we started really prepping right after Hurricane Katrina and seeing that FEMA didn’t help much. We live in a disaster prone area: earthquakes, floods, extremely high winds, nuclear fallout (just this month!!! Hanford, WA, plutonium release, look it up), and honest-to-god volcano (curse you Mt St Helens! as if we didn’t have enough crap to deal with already, haha). This week as I was shopping at Walmart I was totally floored at the price of Jif peanut better, $4.48 a can! When we started prepping a few years ago it was just $1.99 a can. I popped open a 6 year old jar of Jif last week and was eating it just fine. I figured we’ve saved an enormous amount of money on basics like that by stocking up when it was cheap or on sale. My god, a $5 jar of peanut butter! If we knew prices would get this crazy on basics, we’d have stocked up even more! Yikes!

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August 28, 2017 ReadyMom 0
NJMike wrote:
Completely agree with the rest of the OP. It’s certainly a good idea to stock more difficult to grow or obtain items.

Agreed! That’s what I’m trying to do now. I’ve been inventorying my food stocks (some from as far back as 2006!) Tomato products don’t have a great shelf life, so I’m stocking these products in quantity, but NOT for shelf storage of several years. I’m in the process of TRYING to order items like that in #10 cans, so I can have the 25 yr. shelf life.

I’ve learned that I stocked pretty good, but there was no event to USE it. Good … but bad. We just could not rotate through it fast enough in non-SHTF-days. So, now for the more ‘hard-to-rotate’ items, I stock in TIERS: fresh products … frozen products … Canned products … and dehydrated/freeze dried products .

I am also stocking things that I could not grow or easily get. For example: manderine oranges … banana slices & other fruits … milk/cheese/butter powders. And, of course my tomato sauce powders.

I want to get #10 cans of freeze dried meats, but they are SO expensive. I’ve home-canned meats (still scared to eat them, lol!). The home-canned jars are heavy and take up a lot of room.

Food storage is a HUGE lesson to learn!

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August 28, 2017 ReadyMom 0
NJMike wrote:
Completely agree with the rest of the OP. It’s certainly a good idea to stock more difficult to grow or obtain items.

Agreed! That’s what I’m trying to do now. I’ve been inventorying my food stocks (some from as far back as 2006!) Tomato products don’t have a great shelf life, so I’m stocking these products in quantity, but NOT for shelf storage of several years. I’m in the process of TRYING to order items like that in #10 cans, so I can have the 25 yr. shelf life.

I’ve learned that I stocked pretty good, but there was no event to USE it. Good … but bad. We just could not rotate through it fast enough in non-SHTF-days. So, now for the more ‘hard-to-rotate’ items, I stock in TIERS: fresh products … frozen products … Canned products … and dehydrated/freeze dried products .

I am also stocking things that I could not grow or easily get. For example: manderine oranges … banana slices & other fruits … milk/cheese/butter powders. And, of course my tomato sauce powders.

I want to get #10 cans of freeze dried meats, but they are SO expensive. I’ve home-canned meats (still scared to eat them, lol!). The home-canned jars are heavy and take up a lot of room.

Food storage is a HUGE lesson to learn!

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August 28, 2017 NJMike 0

I see this topic has new life.

unventedanger wrote:
There all good answers, but I think understanding what your prepping for should top the list. At least for me.

I totally agree with this.

If someone is not preparing for the most likely plausible scenario(s) for their environment, they may be wasting energy and resources on other aspects of prepping.

There was another topic here on scenarios, and I recall mentioning some rather mundane situations- fire, illness, divorce, job loss, etc. One thought on that would be that if one prepares for the most obvious things first, it sets them down the path and mindset to expand into other areas without ignoring those more likely life events.

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August 28, 2017 NJMike 0

I see this topic has new life.

unventedanger wrote:
There all good answers, but I think understanding what your prepping for should top the list. At least for me.

I totally agree with this.

If someone is not preparing for the most likely plausible scenario(s) for their environment, they may be wasting energy and resources on other aspects of prepping.

There was another topic here on scenarios, and I recall mentioning some rather mundane situations- fire, illness, divorce, job loss, etc. One thought on that would be that if one prepares for the most obvious things first, it sets them down the path and mindset to expand into other areas without ignoring those more likely life events.

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August 28, 2017 JayJay 0

My first priority was food and water. After I got a years’ worth of food, I started on water storage..got 600 gallons one week end.
Then started working on cooking and heating for the home..went other directions from there.
But, food and water were my main concern when starting.

If trucks stopped delivering, I knew all the books I read and skills I learned wouldn’t realistically feed me. :(
If it gets so bad that I have to forage in the woods?? I am pretty close to dead anyhow.

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August 28, 2017 JayJay 0

My first priority was food and water. After I got a years’ worth of food, I started on water storage..got 600 gallons one week end.
Then started working on cooking and heating for the home..went other directions from there.
But, food and water were my main concern when starting.

If trucks stopped delivering, I knew all the books I read and skills I learned wouldn’t realistically feed me. :(
If it gets so bad that I have to forage in the woods?? I am pretty close to dead anyhow.

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August 28, 2017 JayJay 0

My first priority was food and water. After I got a years’ worth of food, I started on water storage..got 600 gallons one week end.
Then started working on cooking and heating for the home..went other directions from there.
But, food and water were my main concern when starting.

If trucks stopped delivering, I knew all the books I read and skills I learned wouldn’t realistically feed me. :(
If it gets so bad that I have to forage in the woods?? I am pretty close to dead anyhow.

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August 28, 2017 JayJay 0

My first priority was food and water. After I got a years’ worth of food, I started on water storage..got 600 gallons one week end.
Then started working on cooking and heating for the home..went other directions from there.
But, food and water were my main concern when starting.

If trucks stopped delivering, I knew all the books I read and skills I learned wouldn’t realistically feed me. :(
If it gets so bad that I have to forage in the woods?? I am pretty close to dead anyhow.

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August 28, 2017 JayJay 0

My first priority was food and water. After I got a years’ worth of food, I started on water storage..got 600 gallons one week end.
Then started working on cooking and heating for the home..went other directions from there.
But, food and water were my main concern when starting.

If trucks stopped delivering, I knew all the books I read and skills I learned wouldn’t realistically feed me. :(
If it gets so bad that I have to forage in the woods?? I am pretty close to dead anyhow.

Statistics: Posted by JayJay — Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:09 pm