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However, it is being provided as a courtesy to the hearing impaired as well as for those who wish to move quickly on to the pertinent parts of the podcast Tom: Welcome Galtstrikers this is Tom and I would like to thank you for tuning into our weekly libertarian talk show where we discuss not only the problems of today but also the solutions. If you’re listening to this show on blog talk or any other website that carries our player you can also listen and join us in our chat room at prepperbroadcasting.com. About half way down the page you’ll find the player and right below that you’ll find the chat room. Just enter your user name and click connects. If you have questions or comments during tonight’s broadcast the call in number to get on the air is 1.347.202.0228. After you’ve connected remember to press one so that our producer can see that you want to be on the air. Don’t be afraid to call in, it’s real easy. It’s like talking to an old friend on the phone and don’t worry, we don’t bite. Anyway, if you’re calling in give the producer your name and listen in. We’ll start taking questions and comments after the break, probably in about 30 minutes or so. So if you’re listening on the air please be patient but do remember to push one. Anyway tonight we are going to be bringing on a couple of our previous guest from a previous discussion we had. Black lives movement, the violence and what can be done about it. We will also talk about some of the root causes of the racial divisions in this country and how possibly minorities can share in and be a part of the American dream. Anyway, I’ve also got another guest on who’s going to be coming up in a few minutes. His name is Jason Charles and he’s started the New York City preppers meet up group and was quite successful in growing that group. He’s been on a couple of the reality shows and some news broadcast so he will give us some tips on how to start a meet up group. But first I’m gonna bring on Eric. Eric has something- Eric was on the show a couple weeks ago and he has something that he would like to share. Something he would like to read to us. Eric? How you doing? Eric: I’m doing alright. How you doing today Tom? Tom: Good. So we can start out, could you first refresh everybody. Who you are and what you’re about. How you got interested in this movement and then share with us what you have. Eric: Ok. Yeah. My name is Eric Clayton and I am a black conservative Republican from the Seattle area and I was involved on Toms Last show, “Black Lives Matter” and we just started talking about some of the problems that black people are having pulling themselves up by their boot straps and how we could get probably more whites in America involved. So I decided to do a little bit of research and I looked around to see if there were any programs in place that could help with this cause. It looks like there is one in Peoria where they and it’s a minority organization that goes out and helps other minorities lift themselves up so they can become better business owners. I reached out to them to try to see if I could get them to come on the show and I was not successful. My Brothers Keepers is another one where President Obama I think had something to do with putting this together and all I got from them was just some kind of form letter. Form email that basically did not address coming on the show. And the last was a lawyer. White lawyer that was helping out blacks get into the legal arena and apparently was pretty successful according to the website. I reached out to him and still no response. So you know I just don’t know if that no response was on purpose or they have an email (inaudible) I just started really thinking about the problem. I just thought to myself, is there reluctance for you know, blacks to except white help? So I just kind of wrote this. I call it Wounded America. It is time for America to heal the wounds of black people caused by the wicked institution of slavery. But there is one big problem. The wounded party doesn’t want to be healed. The constant transfusion of social welfare, goodies and handouts that have resulted from white guilt, white patriotization and black complacency is pacifying us for the black community. See the attitude is, “You wounded me, now you owe me”. Let’s face it white America, black America will always be your dependent. We’ll always be complaining about what the white man should be and is not doing for them. Rather than what they can be doing for themselves. The black community wants to hold white America responsible for their problems and will not offer them available solutions to strive for. And some white Americans can care less if achievable solutions are offered. Over all the black community sometimes acts like that 3 year old kid who is forever enrolled in secondary education. Or who just can’t give up the security or comfort of living free of charge in your basement. Any mentoring or job programs that can be started by white America to life blacks out of poverty will often be unsuccessful because only a few blacks will participate at the risk of pandering to the white man. But isn’t taking tax money supplied by mostly white tax payers the same thing? There needs to be a willingness to participate in the American dream. To actively embrace and believe in the grand experiment of democracy and a free republic. To be a part of an actual melting pot and be Americans first and foremost. And white Americans need to let them in and not make them feel that they are inferior and part of a separate nation. I am aware that blacks were brought here as slaves against their will. I am aware that blacks were mistreated, beaten and killed by evil white slave owners. I am aware that evil whites found a way via the KKK and Jim Crow to rob blacks of their freedoms they gained through emancipation. I am aware that most of white Americans, while not physically participating in the violence against blacks, aided and abetted the vial acts by their complacency displayed by their inaction against the perpetrators of hate. I am aware that even today because of widely held stereotypes about black people by white people that black people are virtually ostracized from being active and willing participants in society. We have a scab that needs to be healed. Both black and white Americans need to stop picking at the scab. Opening the old wounds and pouring salt into them. These wounds need to be allowed to heal and heal quickly. We need to get things put together and made healthy. Not just for black lives, not just for white lives, not just for red lives and not just for yellow lives but we need to fix it for the lives of the race that really matters. The human race. Tom: Yeah I really like that. We talked about in the last show that I did with you and Alex about what I believe some of the root causes for these problems and you know I put most, not all of it but I put most of this on the Democratic Party because the Democratic Party since the beginning of this country was the party of slavery. The Democratic Party was the party of the KK. The Democratic Party was the party of Jim Crow Laws. The Party of, they’re the party of the IRS. They are the Party of the Federal Reserve. They’re the party of these internment camps. All throughout our nation’s history the Democratic Party has always been on the side of oppression whether it’s by race or society as a whole. And then when I look at what they’re doing now and this started happening well as far as the welfare, the social welfare that started in the 30’s when the Democrats started realizing, “Hey! We need to buy more votes here with the social welfare. That’s what we gotta do because we are losing.” Alright but then after they got their rears handed to them in the civil right era, you know it was the republicans that fought for the civil rights and got the civil rights. It was the democrats that opposed it and they got their butts handed to them and it was after that point that they realized they were going to forever lose their position in government as long as they continue to oppose minorities. So they started changing. And they started actually not helping blacks get ahead and become independent. They started their way of helping is by giving. Taking form one person who taxes and giving it to minorities through social welfare. They started pandering to the minority vote and buying that minority vote. To this day, like we said before, you show me a ghetto I’ll show you a city government that is run by democrat. Every time. Every time. Eric: Absolutely. Absolutely. Tom: So that is what we are here to discuss. How do we fix this? How do we change that? You and I talked about meet up groups and stuff and you know we’ve had a lot of success in the prepper movement doing meet up groups and helping people set up meet up groups across the country. Probably one of the more successful groups I think as far as I know of around is the New York City Preppers. You know, Jason Charles from New York City got this group up and running. It seems to of done well so I’d like to bring Jason on and get your thoughts on what we’re discussing and how you have handled organizing the preppers group and how we might apply that to creating business opportunities for minorities. Jason: First of all, thank you for having me on. Tom: Yeah. Thank you for coming on. Jason: Starting a group was, first of all let me first start out by saying I didn’t start the group. It was started by a young female. Life became too busy and then she handed it over to me and then I took over from there. It’s hard to run a group in a city like this where you have so many different interested. People here in the city for the most part are not concerned with emergency preparedness. Until something happens. We saw a big jump in subscribers or preppers back in Hurricane Irene and Sandy. Ever since then every time something small happens or like you know a terror attack or a mass shooting we get a couple more people. So for the most part its people reacting to something instead of just joining because it’s the right thing to do. Tom: So it’s more about finding ways to do that public outreach and finding ways to reach people before the problems happens. Eric: Right. Tom: I think this topic is a little bit different than disaster preparedness is what I think comes to a lot of peoples mind when they are talking about preppers. I’m wondering how we can apply the concept of meet up groups to the business world. To bring not just minorities but anyone in a ghetto area, in a poor neighborhood, urban areas, how to bring those people into the business world and give them opportunities and careers, jobs, education starting their own businesses. I am wondering how we can apply some of the ideas of starting a meet up group to that. Because as you mentioned people weren’t joining until a disasters already happened. I kind of see that this problem that we have with poverty in America is the disaster that is ongoing right now. So I think if we can get people to see that maybe we can get them to start participating in groups that address that. Eric: Right. Meet up does have its – – can’t help somebody start a business for give them the tools they need rather so I can start a business. The first thing that meet-up gives you once you start the group is it gives you responsibility and I think that’s where a lot of the problems we have in black communities or poorer communities is that there is no responsibility. So therefore they blame their actions, whatever it might be, on the next person. So when you run a group like this and an event doesn’t go well, or something happens at an event or an argument breaks out I will blame that on myself for xyz reasons. Letting it happen or letting them get away. It teaches you that you have to accept what might happen with your business. Good or bad and that’s first and foremost. Secondly, it gives you a sense of learning how to deal with people which again, in the black community, for the most part I’ve seem, we don’t know how to deal with one another. It’s a weird; it’s sort of weird for me to talk about because it’s hard for me to explain without actually showing you. For example, blacks in a community, like let’s say where I live today, (inaudible) for the most part you have your different groups of blacks. You have blacks that work, and those are the blacks that usually get along. You have those that sit on a corner all day and they make fun of those who go to work. Meet up gives you that responsibility of how to deal with different people like that. I get different people in the group all the time and I have to be adaptable to each person I meet. Which is very trying at times but it definitely teaches you. So learning how to do that you could bring that to a community and learn how to deal with different people and inspire them if you will, to do the right thing. Get a job, don’t stand on the corner, and don’t make fun of this guy going to work. Those are the things we have to teach. As far as financially, if you have a business or a meet up group where you’re dealing with money it’s on a smaller scale. Again it teaches you respect for money and how to be honest. Don’t over charge, don’t make extra money and then not give it back to the group. Have a contest or something. I learned a lot putting one in the group like this. Tom: I believe that if you build it they’ll come. So I think if we’ve got these problems and these issues, if somebody starts a meet up group to address those problems I think people are naturally going to start joining. So I think really what needs to happen is to find people that are natural leaders. The ones the kind of people that are gonna go to work no matter how many people are making fun of them for going to work. I think we need to find those kind of people to take charge of starting groups like this and then I think other people will just start to follow and just start to come. Eric’s been researching some of this about you know the different groups that he reached out to. Possibilities of starting groups. What other ideas have you come up with Eric? Eric: Well, you know one thing, I mean it’s good to if we can ever get those groups that I reached out to that I mentioned earlier to respond to it then there could be a foundation there to build on. However, there is another thing I’d like to mention. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of the book, “Black and white styles of conflict” by Thomas Kochman. I’m reading this book and he’s a guy that is kind of a diversity specialist. He found out that blacks and whites, even though they think in certain situations and they think they are communicating on a level filled in that they are seeing situations the same way. Blacks and whites communicate in a different way. There are certain things that when they are said or done blacks kind of react differently to. Like let’s say for instance there is a situation where blacks may be discussing something and then they get kind of loud and boisterous about it and maybe the whites may think of it as this is almost verging on violence and it’s really not. They’re active competitors and they are trying to convince each other so it hasn’t gotten into a fight but it sounds like a fight. Whereas white people are very reserved and they think, “Oh wow, this is just something I’m gonna be quite about because it’s really escalated. So basically what I’m saying is I think people that get involved and go into the black neighborhoods that want to help out they have to get some kind of training so they can understand the black language and the black culture so that what they engage people about these jobs and everything is not misinterpreted. That is the danger right there because once you get on that ground where if you’re talking apples and they’re talking oranges and you don’t know that you’re talking different fruit that’s where you get into a problem. A real problem. So that’s really all I have.. I don’t know exactly how to set it up. I was really hoping to get feedback from those people that I reached out to but I didn’t. Like I emphasized the communication is really, really important. I’d like to reach out to this guy – – Tom: Well ya know I ..I talked to you a little bit before and I see a couple of problems, and I’ve run into it myself when dealing with other organizations and trying to network and that sort of thing. There are a couple of different things. One if its like a nonprofit or NGO that is giving people aid of some sort, to them that is job security. Give a man a fish and that man will be back the next day for another fish. And so if you teach somebody, you come along and say, “Hey I want to teach people how to become independent and be their own man and take care of themselves,” well that’s taking away that job security from that non-profit organization. Then the other thing is, even if it’s another organization that is trying to teach people how to become independent and you come along and say, “Hey, let’s network together and see what we can do to combine forces and really help this along,” a lot of groups will see that as competition and you know it’s the same thing in the nonprofit world as it is in the business world. People just have this hard time wanting to work with their competitors. I see this really big time in the patriot movement with all the- -you look on the web and see zillions of patriot web sites, second amendment websites, conservative websites and they really don’t want to work together because that’s their competition and so it makes it real hard to network . I don’t know really the way to do it. I’m thinking we got to do something to start up some groups, find some people willing to take the reins and be leaders and just let them, see if they can do it. Eric: You know there is a stigma of being successful in the white man’s world. Something like, if you’re black, if you’re like a Colon Powell or Condoleezza Rice. You know in the white realm of thing, the main stream, you are very successful. Your credentials are just fantastic, but it’s something about the black neighborhoods, the people we are trying to help, you are looked at as a sellout. So basically it’s almost like a lot of them that would like to go there don’t want to be sell outs so they basically will go to maybe selling drugs. Some of them may go to other kind of means of being successful. Maybe they might hope for a rap music kind of record contract or something like that. Maybe go and play NBA but basically it’s almost like this impediment, “No. No I can’t suck up to the white man. I can’t suck up his ways you know. I gotta be a real black.” It’s something about being successful that is anti-black and I just don’t get it. I’m a black man that has been in industry for 35 years and there’s hardly any blacks (inaudible) telecommunications OSP engineer and I’ve gotten along with my coworkers just fine. As long as I’ve done my job I’ve never had a problem. So I don’t get it. I feel like I’m part of my own mini melding pot. I feel like I’m a guy that is, when you look it up I’m just a text book example of a guy that actually decided, “Hey, I’m just gonna pull myself up by my boot straps.” Sure, I’m different from a lot of people I work with but I, right now, no them as John and Bob and we’re just guys that do jobs. I’m not old black Eric that you know causing problems or anything like that. I’m doing my job and I just can’t see why I can’t do that regardless of what color they are. Tom: Yeah. We got about 3 minutes before we have to take a hard break here. I wanna get Jason’s thoughts for the rest of these three minutes and then after the break Dave has a question. Hold on Dave I’d like to hear what you have to say and then until we’ve got several callers that are listening in, if any of you have comments I encourage you to dial 1. Press the one button so that our producer knows that you want to contribute a comment. Also for those of you listening via the chat room or online our phone number is 347.202.0228. Before we go to the break do you have any comments to add Jason? Jason: It’s going back to, yes, I actually decide. It’s gone back to people getting along. That’s the other thing too. We have a hard problem, again I think its people, never mind color. Just people getting along, getting together trying to make it work. Like you said earlier, we have a lot of these Oath Keepers, AP3, there are so many patriot groups that want to harp at one another instead of getting along. They are all saying the same thing but they just don’t want to sit there and work together and move forward. There were a couple of these groups here in the city. I tried to reach out to a couple of them and they just didn’t want to bother because no one wanted to meet in the middle and negotiate. I think that’s a problem with us as people. Now as far as the black community goes its bad because you want to help. You want to sit there, you want to start a group and get people off their feet. You want to get em jobs, you want to get them skills that can get the job but they don’t want to come. They just want it handed to them the easy way. The other problem is everybody else that I know, these young kids; they wanna be a basketball star or a rapper. They want that big money and they – – they don’t want to work for it. I’m not sitting here by any means saying rappers and ball players don’t work for it but they want the big money. They don’t want to be the fire fighter or the cop or the doctor or the lawyer. They want those millions and they want to now and I think to change that we have to get into the kids heads a little earlier. Sit there have them listen to Young Thug or watch Atlanta Hip Hop. We have to educate them that you’re gonna get what you deserve by how you present yourself to life. I think that is the first problem that needs to be addressed. Tom: I think when I was talking privately on the phone yesterday with Eric one of the things he brought up was we really need to take back the schools. So we’re gonna take a quick break here. After the break I’m gonna bring on Dave and then maybe we will talk a little bit about how it might be possible to take back the schools. So let’s take a short word from our sponsors. Advertisement Tom: Welcome back Galtstrikers. This is Tom. I’ve got Eric and Jason on with me. We are talking about the BLM movement, racial division in America and how minorities might be able to participate in the American Dream and become successful. I want to bring Dave on. Dave has a question for us. How you doing Dave? Dave: Doing well, how are you doing Tom? Tom: Good, how’s it going? What did you want to add to the discussion? Dave: I just wanted to ask how you guys feel about the war on drugs has affected the black community and how, if any, affected their relationship with the police? Tom: Eric or Jason, any of you has an answer for that? Eric: Repeat the question? I missed the question. Dave: How, the war on drugs. How it may have affected the black community not necessarily drugs themselves but the war on them? The fact that they are illegal and how may that have affected their relationship with the police? Eric: Ohh. That’s a toughie. I’m not sure that I can answer. I may have to defer to Jason on that. Jason: Ok. First of all. There is no war on drugs. I have to start off by saying that. Police relations in the black community, with this drug problem we have, it’s bad I mean you come to a neighborhood like mine and you go to Washington Heights. We are talking about New York, sorry. Talking about New York. The drug ring is ramped here in the city. I just learned that today talking to somebody who is in the actual law enforcement shield. Cops, the problem is, listen, a lot of cops when they first start the job from the ones I’ve known, they went in with the purpose of actually doing what the job was to do. That was to help people. So they come out to wherever they live they come to the city and they have in their heart that they are going to help the community they are serving. But day in and day out they run into guys they pull over and they are pulling weed, cocaine, or whatever out of their pocket. The relationship between cops and the black community or Spanish community is sort of damaged by the whole so called war on drugs because this is where it is. Now keep in mind, we’re not bringing the drugs in to the country. It’s not a black dude, it’s not a Spanish dude. It’s whoever is in the higher position but now that they trickled down to us, these guys are here. Whoever you are, whichever gang you name, they are dealing the drugs and cops they can’t look at me walking in the street and go, “Oh he doesn’t have drugs.” They assume for the most part, not all of em but a lot of cops assume for the most part that you know most black guys in the street are carrying drugs. Most Spanish guys in the street are carrying drugs. They just don’t know how to approach it without being called a racist and everything else. It’s a bad problem and it just sparks a lot of issues because they just assume everybody, not everybody but a lot of people are carrying stuff on them. This also goes to the way you dress. I dress a certain way so for the most part a cop will look at me and go ok this guy, he doesn’t have, he’s not holding or have a weapon on him because I dress with shorts and a t shirt all year long. So when the winter comes around the only thing I’m wearing might be a hoody. But here you got guys wearing a ton of clothing in the summer time and those are the guys who you know are holding weed or a weapon of some kind and when they get stopped they’re screaming police brutality. Meanwhile they are actually sitting on a corner doing what they said they weren’t doing. Tom: I think the whole war on drugs is, they’re not getting at the root cause of the problem and kinda like fighting fire with fire. I don’t think they’re like, you know, like you said there is not a war on drugs. I think it’s a reaction rather than a proactive approach to solving the drug problem. We’re not stopping it at the border where they come in and we’re not solving the problems that get people on drugs to begin with. Expecting the police to clean it up in the street when it shouldn’t even make it to the streets in the first place. Jason: The other problem with drugs, the war on drugs right? The FBI, CIA, ATF, they know where every last drug trail on this planet is right. They know where all the opiate fields is, where all the cocaine fields, coca leaf fields are. They know where all the drugs are being grown. They know where they are being manufactured. If you want a real war on drugs then you have to actually step the game up. Ask these countries, “Hey listen, we want to go here and take out this place. We are getting 80% of your cocaine from Colombia. Just an example. So why not go to Colombia and head it off at the pass? Why sit there and wait for it to get here and then blame some kid who, listen, I’m not making excuses for people selling drugs but if kids saw the movie (inaudible) and thinks I’m gonna make the (inaudible) You head it off at the pass. Tom: Well yeah when you got the positions that our federal government takes on it, thanks to wiki links we are able to find out that we own and control the poppy fields in Afghanistan and basically we let the sale of opium happen right under our noses. They are very well aware of it and they’re not doing anything to stop it. So I don’t know how we can head it off at the pass when the people in power are actively contributing into that problem. We gotta find another way to reach people at hoe before they get to the drug situation. I think that also comes from giving people opportunity. If you can give people opportunity and jobs and careers and stuff I mean there are still people in business that have drug problems but they’re not out in the street dealing drugs if they’ve got a good career to go to every day. I’ve got Dan on the phone. I want to get Dan’s comment and then we’ll go back and talk to Jason and Eric again. Dan are you on the air? Dan: Yeah, I can hear you fine. I was just going to comment that it seems to me as far as minorities go and having problems getting them out of poverty or getting them employed that this has already got a solution to it and it comes from history. There’s been lots of other minorities whether they were the Italian immigrants or the Irish immigrants that came in that established themselves by creating Business Men’s Association, Cultural Associations, and kept their money flow within their own community and built up from there. And it strikes me odd that the minority’s that are continuously having generational problems years after years after years haven’t done this. Haven’t done what other minorities have done to get out of that kind of situation. It seems like our biggest lessons to be learned are things we should of learned from history. Tom: Well I go back to what I was saying before about the democrats pandering to the black vote. So you look at what other minorities have done, Chinese immigrants have come here and started up businesses in other races and other immigrants have moved here. They didn’t receive the level of pandering that the democrats do to the black community. They didn’t have slavery and they didn’t have the KKK so much but they also didn’t get the amount of pandering and handouts that the democrats do. Like I said before, you show me a ghetto and I’ll – – Dan: Up here in Canada that’s exactly what happened. We had slaves up here in Canada. People don’t realize that. They were Chinese slaves ok. And they did receive a lot of pandering but they did create their own cultural centers. They did create their own Businessmen’s Associations and they did create their own communities, China Town for example, inside the city of Vancouver and they did drag themselves out of poverty. It can be done but it takes a community effort. It seems to be the minorities in the states that are currently having generational problems have been voting for the democrats for generations and they’re still poor. It doesn’t work. It just doesn’t work, you gotta do it yourself. Speaker: Tom can I jump in? Tom: Yeah, who’s talking? Eric: This is Eric. Tom: Oh yeah, go ahead Eric. Eric: Another thing that a culturally interesting thing that I think he kind of brought up is that when it comes to American Blacks and lets just compare them to American Whites. Whites will usually get into some kind of business relationship and will normally trust to a certain level until a problem develops. Blacks will wait and not trust from the beginning and even before a problem is apparent and then they will wait to see if trust is warranted. So it’s almost the opposite. In the Asian communities who have built themselves up by sharing you know, resources, they are in a positions where they trust each other as long as you know (inaudible) until trust is not warranted. So basically, the black community there is a lack of trust. There is always the feeling that somebody is running a con, that you’re gonna get ripped off, that you’re going to get bamboozled. So they do not get into the associations because basically they are just saying, “Hey, I’m not gonna let this black man rip me off.” I remember when I was doing videos and I told the lady I was black and she said, “Oh no, no, no. I’m not gonna hire you. You probably are running some kind of con. I’m going to the white man because at least I know I’ll get my monies worth.” That kind of – – that’s killing us, and I don’t know how to fix it. Tom: Well I think it goes back to what you were saying- – hello? Yeah I think it goes back to what you were saying earlier. The old wounds and pouring salt on the old wounds. I think those wounds have never had a chance to heal and that is where that mistrust comes from and I think like we talked about also that that happens right- – it happens in school. The kids are learning in school, “Hey, the white man did this to you and this is why you got problems you have. It’s the white man’s fault for it and you need the governments help.” If you’re someone who is black you’re going to hear that and say, “Oh, the white guy is the cause of my problems. I need the government to help me.” If you’re the white guy, if you’re the white kids in school then you know its sounded to you like you’re being shamed for being white and so you never want to build the actual trust. You get what I’m saying? Both sides are hearing a different thing and they’re never reaching across and building that trust. Eric: And there is one more thing too. Back in the slave day there was a two tier type slave. You had the field slaves and you had the house slaves and the job of the house slaves was not only to take care of the master in the house but also be the eyes and ears to find out if there was a dissension between the field slaves so they ratted them out. That was kind of the untrustworthy thing so that’s how we black republicans are looked at. Almost like the house slaves. That we are gonna rat everybody out to the white man, we’re going to snitch. So that whole thing, that whole distrust thing has, was kind of left over from slavery. Tom: So I wonder how we can- -we talked about hitting this off in the schools and taking back the schools. How can we do this? I know we talked about on the phone conversation I had with you yesterday, about you know our down ticket to candidates and doing it through the political avenues by getting conservatives and libertarians elected at the local level in the city councils and the mayor’s office. Now that could be possible where it’s a pretty much 50/50 split. Battle ground cities where it’s half conservative and half liberal but what about in these areas where it’s like 70 or 80 or 90% Liberal. How can we take back our local government in those areas so that we can take back the schools? I think the only way we can take back the schools is through the elected offices. Dan: I would start with the PTA. Parent Teachers association. They are the ones that control the school board. That’s where you have to start. If you are going to start changing a society you do have to start with the education level. That’s what the communist and socialist did to us. So (inaudible) Tom: Even in the PTA yeah you could be actively involved but if you’re a conservative or libertarian in a community where 70% of the people are voting straight party ticket for the liberals then how does your voice overcome everybody else’s voice in that PTA conversation. Typically they kick people out like that that speak up. Dan: Simple. Be honest. People generally speaking on an individual level still have a sense of common sense. So as long as you’re being honest and you’re being straight up about what you’re talking about then they will recognize the difference between double talk and political speech and just a guy who wants to get things done and if they don’t recognize that then it’s time to vote with your feet and move. Tom: Yeah, I agree. Eric: There is another thing. We also know the teachers unions lean heavily on the Democratic Party. It’s almost like their blankie or something like that. They get a lot of financial support. We need as republicans we need to go in and steal the teachers union from the Democratic Party. Take that iron fist hold they have on the teachers union and then turn them around so that we can not only get that socialism out of the school but also, my goal is to eventually get God back in the school. Tom Yeah, I agree. Dan: One way to do that is that the teachers unions make investments for their retirements and the retirement investments are pretty much capitalistic right? So getting the republicans involved on that end of it is the best way into the union. The other thing you gotta realize is that a lot of unions in north American are doing what they call union or contract splitting. So that the newest teacher into the teacher union gets a different contract than somebody that has been there for 20 years. That’s really a division with in the union itself. As republicans or libertarians you can fight that saying everybody should be treated equally regardless of how long they have been in. That’d be another way to back them up which is something they desperately need. If you can do that, that will get you into the PTA and into the school boards. Tom: We got about ten minutes left on this show and we talked about the problems. We talked about how we can take back the schools and the local down tickets positions. Let’s say we can get a voice in the schools. Let’s say we can find leaders in these poor communities to start up meet up groups. I think that’s where it’s really going to happen. By having local meet ups and bringing in people that want to learn how to become successful and start their own business. Get careers maybe even just learning how to fill out a resume would be great for a lot of people. So let’s say we can get these groups started how can we – like I said, if you build it, they will come. If you start up a meet up group that and you advertise it in a community saying hey this is a group for minorities to learn how to be successful. People are naturally going to start trickling in. Even if there is that mistrust people will start trickling in to find out what the group is about. So let’s say we get some people, maybe some people listening right now are interested in starting up a group in their area. What could those first meet ups be about. I’d like to get Eric’s opinion on that and then I’ll ask Jason. Eric: Ok. The first thing I think needs to happen is once you get those people in there, even though you have an agenda, what you want to do, resume writing or any other thing that you have the first thing that you should do is address the crowd, the minorities there and ask them, “Hey what are you looking for out of this? What can we do?” Have them say something that will invest them in the process and not just have you dictating to them what’s going to happen. You might find that you will be able to just give what you intended to give them but basically it will be received a lot better because you asked them what they need. Dan: That’s an absolute must. Tom: Yeah. I want to go to Jason. I’ll get Jason’s comment on starting meet up groups. What should those first meetings be about? Jason: I think those first meetings should be about- – and here’s another problems I’ve seen in these help organizations. You can’t make it about color. I understand that you want to get minorities into it but once you get them into that door it should no longer be about color. It should be about personal responsibility. It should be getting them to that point where they want to take personal responsibility. I’ve sat through a couple of these workshops in the past and the first thing out of the guys mouth is, “You’re black and you’re gonna make it above the white guy and white people this and white people that.” It can’t be about that anymore because that puts a wedge even further apart in the racial division. So the first meeting should always be about the person and what they want to accomplish. Throw the whole race thing out the window. I think we are running into bigger problems when everything is black and white. If you just run it as a human organization, if you just look at the person and go, “Listen, what do you want to accomplish? Oh yeah? Ok so now we are going to help you accomplish this.” And we’re never gonna sit there and go, “Well the white man wants you to fail and the white man laughs when you fail.” It can’t be about that. It has to be about the person. Tom: I talked to another thing I talked about Eric yesterday on the phone about, which was a term that was new to me a couple of years ago, I’d never heard it ago and I’m a white guy. It is this term “White Privilege” Apparently that seems to be the big thing that is taught in colleges and stuff and I didn’t even know about it. It seems to be the term that the left has really latched on to, to try and win over voters by; in my mind it seems like they are white shaming. Shaming people for being white and the privilege they have. They always say, “Check your white privilege, check your white privilege.” I see that on blog post, on the radio all the time, but they never, never, never say, tell us what were supposed to do about it. You know I get into this discussion on social media and someone will say check your white privilege and I’ll go, “Well ok. If I got this special white privilege why don’t you tell me what I’m supposed to do about it?” As a white guy I understand the problems that black people face. I understand our history. I don’t understand it from the shoes of a black person but I know there is a problem there. I understand that ok. But the left never offers a solution on what we are supposed to do about this white privilege thing. Personally I don’t like that term because it brings race into it rather than the socioeconomic status that brought about these problems. It doesn’t address ow the problems got started because if they started addressing how the problems got started they’d have to start pointing the finger at their own party. The Democratic Party has never apologized as a party for their history of oppression. I think we need to refocus. I think we need to steal that dialog away from the left and re brand it as a different term that’s not attached to race. I don’t know what we would call it. Minority disadvantage? Whatever we can call it that doesn’t have race attached to it that says, “Hey there is a problem in society we need to address it, we need to fix it.” It’s not caused by a race; it’s caused by socioeconomic status. It was the Democratic Party , I believe, that lead us down this path and what can we do to fix it. You guys got, either one of you Jason or Eric how we can re brand that term so it doesn’t have race attached to it? So that we can work together, both races, to fix that. We got 2 minutes. Eric: Ok. It’s a socioeconomic thing. It’s not really white privileges they are trying to put on all white people. Basically socioeconomic s if your born with a silver spoon in your mouth, whether your Donald Trump’s kids or whether your Magic Johnson’s kid. Basically you’re going to have privilege over a lot of people that are black or white. See a lot of white people, like my wife for instance, she had to wear hand me downs. I didn’t as a kid. I got everything new and I’m a black man. So you know, that’s not a privilege for her. Another thing is, this thing about black people thinking white people are just going out of their way to do for other white people. White people seem to be some of the most individualistic people that I’ve run into. They don’t have some secret society where they are giving whites a certain kind of break and then blacks another. I think it’s a – – Tom: Are you there Eric? Did we lose you? Eric: I’m here. Did you hear me? Tom: Yeah. Yeah we got less than a minute. Jason, if you could, do you have a contact information that you can give publically if anyone has a question about starting a meet up group? Jason: Yes. They can contact me at Jason@NYCpreppers.com. Tom: Jason@NYCpreppers.com. 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Have you ever been interested in the medical industry? Have you ever wanted to become a Doctor or a Nurse? Or maybe you want to write a book and don’t know where to start, or maybe even develop your own board game. In this radio show I interview Dr Bones and Nurse Amy as they discuss their success in medicine and survival and give tips on how you can do it too. Joe and Amy Alton have both been successful in their medical careers and they are here to tell you how they did it and how you can get into the medical field. They are also the authors of The Survival Medicine Handbook. Learn how they became successful authors (Click Here if video doesn’t display) If you enjoyed this podcast, be sure to like us on Facebook. Listen to us Live Saturday Evenings at 6PM pacific time atPrepperBroadcasting.com Bumper Music: “Bankland” By Javolenus / CC BY-NC 3.0 Transcript The following is a text transcript of the audio. Due to the verbatim speech and nuances it may be difficult to read. However, it is being provided as a courtesy to the hearing impaired as well as for those who wish to move quickly on to the pertinent parts of the podcast. Transcript is at least 80% accurate. Success in Medicine and Survival Tom: Welcome Galtstrikers this is our weekly Libertarian talk show where we discuss not only the problems of today but also solutions. If you have questions or comments during tonight’s broadcast the call in number to get on the air is 1.347.202.0228. After you’ve connected remember to press one so that our producer will see that you want to be on the air. If you are listening on blog talk or any other site that carries a player you can also listen and join us in our chat room at prepperbroadcasting.com. When you’re on the prepperbroadcasting.com About mid-way down the page you will see the player and you’ll see the a chat room right below that. And just enter your user name and click connect. So anyways, I said we are a Libertarian talk show; we discuss the problems and also the solutions. Lately we’ve been talking about careers and job opportunities and ways to advance in life as one of those solutions and so we have been bringing on different professionals from different industries that talk about how they got started and what they did. If you received an email that I sent out we are going to be talking to a couple friends of mine who are in the industry. We have Dr and a Nurse, Dr.Bones and nurse Amy. You may be familiar with them from the website Doom and Bloom.net. Thank you for being on the air Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy, how are you guys doing? Nurse Amy: We’re doing great Tom. How’s it going? Dr. Bones: Yeah thanks for having us on. Tom: Thank you for coming on I really appreciate it. So you guys have done quite a few things in your career. Dr. Bones you’re a doctor and Nurse Amy you’re a nurse and you’ve had your medical careers that you’ve been successful in. You guys have also written a book, “The survival medicine handbook”. You’ve got a successful website and the other cool thing that I’d like to talk about also in this show is you developed your own board game. So let’s talk about some of these things. The listeners out there, if any of you are interested in the medical field now is your chance to call and talk to people that have done it and been successful at it. I’ll remind you that the phone number is 1.347.202.0228. So let’s start with Dr. Bones. Sr. Bones could you tell us a little bit about what it takes to become a doctor and tell our listeners how you got started and how you got interested in your profession? Dr. B: Well you know I was really in college I would say I was a lost soul and I really didn’t know what I wanted to do and looked around and I got this feeling that I should be doing something that should be helping people At the time I was in psychology and political science major. I was heading on a track to go to law school. Matter of fact I got accepted to the University of Florida law school and I decided that it made more sense for me if I was really going to dedicate my life to helping people to probably do something else with my life other than be a lawyer. And so I really felt that being a doctor would be a great opportunity to save lives and do other things that I think would really help people and so I applied to medical school, I had just some of the basic science courses and I just by a miracle I was accepted over at the University of Miami Medical School and so I wound up going there. I had my socks in my hand putting them in my suit case to go to the law school at the university of Florida because I hadn’t heard from the medical school and I actually got my acceptance in the mail. I remember my mother came running in with the letter and so that’s sort of the way it happened. I’ve been honored and blessed to be a popular surgeon and obstetrician in my area for gosh, 25 years and now we’ve retired and we do our thing for medical preparedness and that has become a mission for us too. A mission is to put a medically prepared person in every family. Nurse Amy: Well you know what? Tom I just want to prompt him to say one more thing. I think it’s important with people who are starting businesses. I mean you graduated medical school and you had a choice. You had a choice to go work for someone else or to work for yourself. Why don’t you tell them what you did and how you survived it? Dr. B: Yeah. You know the normal track for a young doctor is to be a junior partner in a big medical practice and I was really sort of a maverick and I decided to just put out my own shingle which was something very uncommon back then and so I had to, you may not believe this but I was with in beeper range for 3 ½ years and in my field I started off as an obstetrician and in my field you had to be in town and you had to deliver your own patients. You know, you couldn’t have someone take call for you at night. So I tell ya, during the day I was at the office and at more likely than not at 4 A.M. or 3 A.M. in the morning I was in the hospital. If you’re going to be a doctor or an obstetrician it pays to not sleep too much. Tom: Yeah so we had a show a few weeks ago discussing work ethic so I am assuming to be a doctor you have to have top notch work ethic. Dr. B: Well I gotta tell you that there were a lot of circumstances where we were so driven to do work that we accepted pretty crazy schedules. I remember showing up with another resident to the emergency room at Jackson Memorial hospital, which if anybody knows south Florida is the big county hospital in Miami Day County. Nurse Amy: Yeah but it was really crazy in the early 80’s. It was nuts. Dr. B: Right and of course they had Mariel Boat Lift was there. All those refugees were there as well and me and this other resident showed up at the emergency room and the guys that were coming off of the emergency room rotation said, “Okay. It’s you and him and that’s it. So split up the schedule however you want it.” That means I was there 12 hours a day, Monday through Friday and then 24 hours in a row either Saturday or Sunday. So there were some circumstances that I would be on Friday night starting at about 6 and I wouldn’t get off until Sunday morning. So you really have to have an incredible work ethic if you’re going to work at a big county hospital. You can pick a smaller hospital but you know what? I needed to see, I wanted to see everything possible and the volume of patients that I saw, there was so much that during my career I never saw anything that surprised me. In other words that I felt that I couldn’t handle. So it was an awesome education and it probably took ten years off my life. Nurse Amy: Yeah. Tom: Oh no. So for someone who is interested in going to medical school, let’s say they have the good grades to get accepted but they just can’t afford the cost of tuition and all of that. What ideas and solutions would they have to come up with the money? Because the other thing we talk about is student debt and some people just, that’s too big of a cookie for them to swallow. To have that big of a debt. So what are some of the ideas that people can do to acquire the funding to go to medical school? Dr. B: Well what I did was signed up for something called the public help service which provided physicians to prisons, state prisons , state clinics and things like that and they help me with my tuition and also I worked other clinics in the area. Private clinics that allowed me to do it. There are employment opportunities, in other words second job opportunity so unfortunately sometimes, like when I was in the E.R., the schedule is to much to be able to do those but you can certainly supplement your income doing that so. And don’t forget that you can take out loans and I’ll tell ya, with the way things are maybe looking if we don’t watch out we’re going to have an administration that is going to forgive a lot of these loans. Maybe that would be good for students that are going to medical school or considering it. Nurse Amy: Well you know what I think? I think that if they’re gonna do that they should at least pick Majors. Someone that is going to become a doctor or someone that is going to become a nurse. Or something that our community needs or our country needs. That we are desperate for a certain type of major that we could help them. I mean I think we should look at not necessarily forgiving an art majors debt at Harvard but maybe forgiving someone who went to a state school to become a doctor. Dr.B: Yeah and is willing to maybe provide a service after graduation or something. Nurse Amy: Right. Right. Some community service. Dr. B: That’s what the- -right- – that’s what the public help service was and those opportunities are still there as a matter of fact. One good way of getting into medical school if you have college students that are considering it is to let the people know that you are interested in primary care. There is an extraordinary shortage of primary care doctors in the nation today as a matter of fact. We really need people that are going to be the first point of contact for patients. There are a lot of doctors want to become specialist. I ended up becoming a specialist of course many, many, years ago there wasn’t any particular shortage of primary care doctors, but now it is actually very difficult, there are a lot of areas of the country that are basically doctor desserts in essence in that they just don’t have enough doctors to feel the need. As a matter of fact I just want to say this, that is one way that people come into the country, as medical professionals there’s a program called MAVNI that the department of defense is part of in which they have foreign doctors treating our men and women in uniform that they offer a path to citizen ship in three months. So that’s how bad it is Tom: Wow. I didn’t realize there was that big of a shortage. Nurse Amy: Oh yeah. Tom: What about nursing Amy? Someone wants to be in the medical field and wanna help people nursing seems to be a really good career as well. Could you give us your perspective on becoming a nurse? Nurse Amy: Absolutely. You know I had the choice like everyone else, “What are you gonna do?” And you know I really did have the grades. I had nearly straight A’s in high school. I got into the nursing school that I wanted to which was a private catholic school. Very hard one to get into. They were probably one of the hardest schools to get into. So good grades are very important. If you don’t have the good grades, now and days they are at least taking into consideration the essays that you write. So they really want to see what kind of person you are. Dedication, commitment, what kind of things have you done to help other people in your life time so far. Dr.B: Well-rounded people. Nurse Amy: Exactly. So it doesn’t always have to be the perfect straight A student. Passion is very important when you’re having your interview for the school. They want to see that this is really, really what you want to do. Now, I picked nursing. I could of become a doctor several times during my first couple of years in nursing school. I almost went over to pre-med. The reason I did not was one, I really wanted the flexibility to have more time with my family. It was very important for me to have a family. My mom had passed away, literally and this is an absolute truth, 8 hours before I started my first class at college. I mean my first day. And she, my mother was the one who was sick and she really wanted me to be a nurse. So I was kind of committed to be a nurse. I wanted to have family. I only had a brother and a father at that point. So it was important for me to be able to give my children time and I knew the hours and like Dr. Bones had talked about, the 24 hour shifts, the always being gone. You have more flexibility as a nurse. A lot of times its shift work and then that’s what I started off doing after nursing school. Pick the best nursing school you can. Go where you can get some scholarships. Again scholarships are not always based on just grads. There are other ways to get scholarships. I did get quite a few from various community groups which was wonderful to help. I eventually ended up having to take some loans for school which I paid back. They were low interest and after I started working I wanted a little more independence so the way to get that when you graduate from a bachelor’s degree is to go back to school and become a nurse practitioner. And I had started my OB rotation and my bachelor’s and loved it. In fact Dr. Bones and I have talked many times and he was actually a guest lecturer at my nursing school when I was in school in 1986. Dr.B: Oh God, don’t tell them, don’t tell them. Nurse Amy: 1986. Spring of 86’ he was a adjuncts professor and I remember a doctor coming in during my OB rotation and talking about, during one of our classes, about that and it ended up being him. It’s really funny because we didn’t actually end up meeting each other until several years later. But him talking and going through my rotation really got me interested in labor and delivery. I was a labor and delivery nurse and then I saw that there were nurse midwives and I thought well that’s really cool. I really want to do that. So university of Miami had a program, I don’t think they have the program anymore. There are not to many of them here. There was a combination nurse practitioner and also certified nurse midwife. It was a little bit longer but it’s what I wanted to do and when you become a nurse practitioner you have more independency. So you can write prescriptions. When I was practicing in the office I would see the patient, I would be able to diagnose and treat. Dr.B: You could write prescriptions? Nurse Amy: I was able to write prescriptions and my patients did not need to see the doctor unless I felt it was necessary. So there were certain things that I said, “Hey listen, you need to see the doctor and I’ll go get him or I’ll put you in a room and then you can see one of them.” But you don’t have to and when patients were going to deliver there I was on call or they requested me. I would go in and there would be no doctor there. I was in charge. So it gives you that freedom to be more independent, have more responsibility, feel like you’re contributing more autonomy but still have a schedule that is a little more flexible for your family and I did have young kids when I was in school. I actually had one that was young and then I had another one in the middle of school which is hard. But the master’s degree was very good in Florida because they really want a nurse practitioner. They actually subsidized most of my school but because I couldn’t work and I had two small children I actually had to take loans out to pay my bills. Cause I actually needed a roof over my head and food on the table and so I had quite the load of loans and I am looking at what their thinking about doing and gee I really could of used some forgiven debt. Dr. B: I just want to say that Amy and I and some other midwives were one of the first doctor/midwife combinations. There was this thing where some doctors didn’t like mid wives and I was really against that. I really felt that mid wives provided a service for their patients. They have such good relationships to with their patients and so we were one of the first practices to actually mix the two disciplines and I have to say – – Nurse Amy: And you were very respectful. Dr. B: I have to say that nursing is an awesome career. There is so much more you can do in nursing these days and you know anyone that is considering a career in nursing I highly recommend it. There’s a lot of freedom, you get a lot of responsibility certainly, but you also have much more freedom to treat your patients than nurses did maybe some time ago. Nurse Amy: Absolutely. Tom: Ok. We’re interested in that because my wife, she is Filipino and she took 2 years of nursing in the Philippines and I don’t know how those credits will transfer over here but if I’m not mistaken I think it would be pretty easy for her to get into starting out as a CAN. Dr. B: Oh yes. I wanted to tell you that we had a number, I just want to say that we had a lot of Filipino nurses where we were and they were awesome so I very much encourage. Nurse Amy: That education definitely transfers. Dr. B: Yeah.Yeah. Definitely encourage your wife to do that. Tom: So yeah and she wants to continue her education here so and eventually become an RN. So I am supporting her on that career choice and to help her with the college and the tuition and helping her apply for the scholarships. She has a place to stay while she is going to school. That’s the career choose and I am supporting her on that. But we were looking at this interesting question popped in my head. When I was looking at all the various degrees that a nurse can have, I mean all the way you can get a Doctorates degree at nursing. So if you’re getting a doctorates degree as a nurse does that mean you’re a doctor. Nurse Amy: No. No it’s be clear- – Dr. B: But wait, wait, before you do that. Yes. Yes they will call you Doctor. Nurse Amy: It would be lovely if that was actually how it’s done. Tom: You’re not a medical doctor but I always remembered when I was, I think it was in first or second grade and we had a principle and I think he had a doctorates degree in education or something. And he made us all call him Doctor whatever his last name was. The first time- – Nurse Amy: Well, doctorates are actually pretty difficult to get. It could take anywhere from 3 to 5 years after your masters degrees. So we are talking about 4 years for a bachelor’s degree, 2-3 of a Master’s Degree and then another 3-5 years depending on your program to become a doctorate. It’s very difficult so the people that get the doctorate they deserve to be called that. The problem- – Tom: Well yeah that’s what I was thinking ya know but then you get the – – you could be a doctorate of English. I knew somebody that was getting a doctorates degree in that. And you’re gonna be able to call me doctor now. Si I can see the confusion or where confusion would arise and especially in the medical profession if you’re a nurse and you’ve got a doctorates degree well, yeah you got the doctorates degree but you can’t call me doctor because we got the doctors around us now. Nurse Amy: Well I’ll tell you what’s happening now is there is a lot of politics in medicine when it comes to exactly what you’re talking about and if you’re a professor in a University and you’re nursing but you have a doctorate, you can be called doctor but in the hospital the Doctors across this country are fighting to not allow nurses to get a doctor degree to be allowed to be called Doctor Alton. If I got a doctorate and I was working in a hospital when I was, let’s say I was still delivering babies or whatever I was doing in the hospital. The administration is going to tell me that I’m not allowed to use that title. Dr.B: Oh boy. Nurse Amy: There is that coming down. They’re now also telling nurse practitioners that your additional 2 or 3 years after your 4 years bachelor’s degree, you’ve got your master’s degree, is now soon not going to be enough to be a nurse practitioner. They are going to demand, – -this is all coming from the doctors mind you. Not my husband but from the doctors generally, – – going to demand that nurses now have a doctorate degree to become a nurse practitioner but not allowed to use the title doctor. Dr.B: Alright now that’s ridiculous. Nurse Amy: I know but it’s the truth. Dr.B: No, I’m not saying it isn’t. Nurse Amy: It is ridiculous. My husband is 100% supportive but this is what’s coming down the pipe, unfortunately. Yeah. Tom: It’s interesting topic to learn about. It’s something I never knew about. So what is the highest degree a nurse can achieve? Nurse Amy: Well yeah, the doctorate. That’s it. Tom: That’s the highest? Nurse Amy: Yeah. You can get a couple different doctorates but you know once you’ve got the doctorate there’s no other title. There’s no higher education in anything. Dr.B: Most nurses reach the pinnacle of their profession even with just Masters. For example a certified nurse on essence that’s a Master’s Degree right? Nurse Amy: Yes it is. Dr.B: And a certified nurse mid wife, that’s a Master’s Degree so you can get very high in your profession with just a Masters. Nurse Amy: Until they change the rules which are coming down the pipe. Tom: Wow. So but you get up that high and you got a lot of career choices open up to you? Nurse Amy: Oh absolutely. I mean you think about a nurse (inaudible) we’re not going to have fewer operations in the world. You know. As the population ages, especially in America, where there’s just going to be more and more surgeries. More knee replacements, more hip replacements, and more heart surgery. They come up with new surgeries all the time so they are able to replace more and more organs these days. And they’re growing them. Tom: So I gotta another question too. So let’s say someone is interested, maybe their life dream is to become a doctor but for whatever reason they don’t have the time commitment. Maybe they got kids; maybe it’s the cost of tuition to go to medical school. Would it be a good and wise path to maybe start out as a nurse and later on in life changes their major to become a doctor? Is that a good path to go that way? Nurse Amy: You know what? I’m gonna say no because your credits as a nurse are not going to be acknowledged in medical school so you’re wasting your time. If you’re gonna do it, do it. Now if for some reason you were a nurse and suddenly changed your mid and wanted to become a doctor you have got to go back, back to your bachelor’s degree. Let’s say you even have a Master’s Degree, you have to go back to your bachelor’s degree. You have to take more sciences, more classes to get into medical school. So you’ve got to start taking those classes because there is a certain list that is required- – Dr.B: Pre- requisite. Nurse Amy: Required for medical school that are not required to graduate as a bachelor’s degree and become an RN. They’re not the same sciences that I needed to take to get into my Master’s Degree. So you’re gonna have to go way back, you don’t have to go all the way back to high school, but you’re gonna have to go back to your bachelor’s degree and it’s almost like starting over. So if you’re gonna pick that path the best way is just do it. Get it over with because the older you get, the more responsibilities you have, the more bills you have, the more children you have, the harder it becomes. There is more road blocks and let me tell you the suffering and the misery that I went through to get my master’s degree I cannot describe to you. It was so hard so just do it as soon as possible and get it done. Git ‘er done. Tom: And then the other question I have would probably be an equally difficult path, I don’t know. As far as paying for your school, for like example my wife took 2 years of college, 2 years at a University in the Philippine’s. The cost of that is so cheap that I mean, someone here working minimum wage could pay that cost of that college education that she got and so I’m wondering is it possible for an American citizen to get their education in another country where the cost are much, much lower and then come back to the United States and then come back and use those credits here? Dr. B: Yes absolutely. Nurse Amy: We have examples of this. Go ahead honey. Dr.B: We have a there were a lot of doctors that were in the hospitals that I worked that came from other countries. You still have to take a special foreign medical graduate exam. Number one to show confidence but also to show that you can communicate in the language. It’s hard to be a doctor without being able to talk to the patients in this circumstance. Nurse Amy: But you also had friends that left from here and went to medical schools in other countries. Dr.B: That’s what I’m saying. Yeah. Yes that’s what I’m saying. You can go to the school in Mexico as an American Citizen. You can go to Grenada has a medical school. A lot of these people come right back to the United States and pass their test and they can apply for residencies and internships in the US. Tom: That might be a viable economic solution, especially for somebody that is bilingual to get their education in another country if they can’t afford it. The thought came to mind, people talk about medical tours and going to another country where the medical cost are much lower. Like for example the Philippines. That’s where I got my dental work, was in the Phillipe’s because it was really, really cheap and affordable. Then I got to thinking is there such things as educational tours where you can go there and get your education then come back? Dr.B: You definitely can. I can’t tell you how much it cost to do that because obviously it’s so many years since I was a medical student I can’t really tell you. But there are probably, ill tell you, if you look at the wall of your doctor’s office don’t be surprised if you see a medical diploma from places like Grenada or Guadalajara or places like that. Tom: Alright. That sounds great. We’re gonna go to a break here and then we will pick it right back up in just a few minutes. Tom: Welcome back everyone. This is Tom with Galtstrike and I am talking with Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy from DoomandBloom.net. We just got done talking a little bit about how people can join the medical profession as a doctor or maybe even as a nurse and some possibilities on how to fund that. We were just talking about also for example the possibility of American citizens who can’t afford school here who maybe bilingual could travel to another country and live in another country for a while. Get their degree there then come back to the states. I thought that was an interesting idea considering that my wife is from the Philippines and she studied there and she’s seeking to become a nurse here in the United States. So thank you for being on the show Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy. We’d like to move forward a little bit – -Oh I do have one question that was asked in the chat room. One of our guests asks about becoming an EMT or a paramedic. Could you share what you know about those career fields? Dr.B: Oh I have to tell you that if you want to have a sense of accomplishment and you really want to help people, I mean directly help people, then I think going into the emergency medicine or emergency medical services field I think is an awesome idea. EMT basic course takes a few months; it can take well up to a couple years depending on how intensive you do it. It’s about 150 hours of course work. There are so many tech institutes around, community colleges that have these programs. Almost every good sized municipality would have it and you know what? You are really going to save lives if you go into this field. If you can’t make the time commitment that you would need to study to be a nurse or a physician and still want to be in the medical field I can’t think of a better way to do it then become an EMT or becoming a paramedic. There are of course all sorts of different levels of emergency medical services personal and you can just progress through them as you need to. I think it’s an awesome field and I strongly encourage anyone that’s considering it to indeed take that course. Tom: So would that be a good career and classes to take and a good career to get into to become an EMT or paramedic to maybe help fund their college to become a nurse? Could they being that kind of work on the side while they’re going to school? Nurse Amy: Well the paramedic is a little more intense. I would say EMT would be a good way to start and work on the side to then go to medical school because the paramedics are actually pretty highly trained and again they’re specifically doing a paramedic program. I’m not sure exactly how the courses cross over between nursing and paramedic but to become a paramedic you can get an associate’s degree. You can also advance your career and end up with a four year bachelor’s degree. I just am not 100% sure how separate the nursing courses are verses the paramedic courses. So I would say that the EMT basics would be a great thing to do. They make good money. I was just looking up what some of them pay. Tom: Yeah that’s what I was wondering. The amount of money they make. I mean does that pay well enough to help someone fund their nursing education? Dr.B: Well that depends on their expenses I guess just like everything else in life. But I’ll tell you that I have, we have people that follow our website follow our podcast and videos and things like that that have gone through the emergency medical services route and are now nurses for example. Even in the wilderness medical society of which I’m a member, we have people that have been paramedics that are now doctors. So you could take your education as far as you want to take it. It’s just sometime life gets in the way though and you have to decide to continue your education or move on and make money. Tom: Yeah. So now let’s move on to talk about your website and your book, “The Survival Medicine Handbook”. Which one do you want to start with first? The website or the handbook? Dr.B: Well I can tell you that our website is DoomandBloom.net and that we now have 850 articles, podcast, and videos on the web site. All of it relating to disaster, and epidemic medical preparedness. Nurse Amy: Or Gardening. I’ve got a lot of gardening articles. (Inaudible) Dr.B: We’re master gardeners for the state of Florida and so we believe that is part of it to. Amy, as a matter of fact has one of the largest medicinal gardens in the state of Florida. She really has a green thumb but our website is different from your average per se website in that what we right about assumes that medical care is not immediately at hand. In other words that you, the average person, might just be the end of the line for a period of time. Or for good when it comes to your family’s well-being and so from our standpoint we write as if you are the guy. And that you don’t have the ability to just transfer to the nearest hospital. So that’s what makes us different. Our book is called, “The Survival Medicine Handbook; The Essential Guide for when Medical Help is not on the way”. It’s now in its third edition, its 700 pages and I think it’s a great edition to your survival library and everything is written in the same mindset as the website. Nowhere between the front cover and the back cover does it every say go to the hospital or go to the doctor because the whole book assumes they don’t exist anymore. And so what we are trying to do is get people through disasters. It could be short term disasters but the bottom line is that the hospital is not an option and we are there to make people effective in their role as medic in times of trouble. And so we have, we have been very blessed to have really the support of the entire preparedness community. We really had, we’ve had a lot of book sales of the first, second and now the third edition. The third edition if you’re looking at it I think this second edition is still on amazon. The third edition has a red medical kit with a white cross on it. Just so you know I think the other one has a red cross on it and then we realized, “Uh-oh, I think the red cross is- – Nurse Amy: It’s perfectly fine honey. Dr.B: It’s owned by the Red Cross. Nurse Amy: No it’s not. Tom: so since we are on the topic of the book we got a question. What would, from the chat room, what would be the top ten things to learn how to treat for non-medical people? So people like what this book is written to. What would be the top 10 things they should learn how to treat? Dr.B: Well I think number 1 is you need to know how to treat water so it’s safe to drink. The bottom line is most of the deaths that you’re going to see, the avoidable deaths are because you did not pay enough attention to sterilizing questionable water. So we have entire chapters on water sterilization and how to sterilize instruments and how to basically make sure that you’re dealing with clean drinkable water. If you start with that then you are going to avoid a lot of infectious disease that otherwise would run repent in your family or your group in times of trouble. Oh speaking of which infectious disease, learning how to recognize and treat infectious disease is also very important. Things like an infected wound. So like an infected wound would be red, swollen, sort of shiny. It has a tendency to be very warm to the touch compared to other areas. The redness tends to spread. So that’s some of the things that you would learn with regards of how to identify an infection. We do that not just for an infection of the skin or soft tissue but we talk about all sorts of infection. We talk about abdominal infections and we talk about infections that occur in your eye or in your ear. We talk about really 150 different topics in the book. Also we talk about animal bites, insect bites, and snake bites. That’s something that’s important and you need to learn how to deal with those issues. I think that’s very important. Learning how to recognize allergic reactions asthmatic reactions, things like that. And respiratory problems as well. So we talk about those issues. One of the big things though is you need to know how to deal with hemorrhage. Hopefully there’s not going to be a lot of gun fights at the OK corral but they can happen. Or accidents can happen. Even if you live in a remote homestead this book is a good book for homesteaders as well. If that’s the case, if there is an accident you need to know how to stop bleeding and so we go through a whole big thing with that. One of the newest things in our book is the how to deal with terror events. Active shooter situations. So we talk about how to work with tourniquets, how to work with blood clotting, powders and things like that. So that I think is very, very important. Especially in today’s times. Then we need to talk about orthopedic injury. There’s going to be a lot of sprains and strains. There are going to be a broken bones and things like that. So we talk about everything from soup to nuts with regards to that. We tell ya how to deal with sprains, a broken bone. Tell you how to deal with dislocations. We tell you how to deal with even a collapse lung from a rib fracture let’s say. So you know, this is very important. You need to know how to deal with trauma to muscles and to bones. Those are a very important thing. You may find this unusual but you need to know how to deal with dental problems as well. Now I know that a few days without power because of a storm, obviously you’re not going to need to have any dental supplies or dental equipment or probably any major dental knowledge but in a long term event, if you believe that some long term event might possibly occur that will take you off the grid for any significant amount of time, then you’re going to start having people with dental issues. During Vietnam 50% of the sick call patients were from dental issues, not for medical. And so this is something that is very important. We have an entire section that tells you have to deal with everything from a loose tooth from a broken tooth from cavities- – Nurse Amy: To pulling a tooth. Dr. B: And we even discuss dental extraction. In 90% of medical emergency can be dealt with by extraction. That’s the way it was in the old days and that’s the way it might be if you find yourself off grid for a good long time. So that’s going to be something important too. Also you might have to deal with a pregnancy. If things go bad long enough then you need to learn how to deal with a pregnant woman. You need to know how to deliver a baby. We talk about that in major detail in our book. These are things that are really important. Nurse Amy: I’d say another thing would be knowing how to check for infections but when you get an injury and we’ve already talked about stopping the bleeding, but learning how to properly clean the wound. We talk about a lot in our articles over the years about how dirty the infections are going to be in survival situations. You think about the tools that we might get hurt with might have been used for butchering or chopping wood. Or things that are not necessarily the cleanest procedures prior to injuring yourself. So a lot of these wounds are going to have to be cleaned out really, really well. We teach you how to do that and you’re also going to learn how to treat them and care for them being open. You’re not going to be able to close them up with stitches or staples because you’re going to create an environment that bacteria will just be so happy in you’ll end up with a horrible infection. So you know you’re going to have to learn how to take care of wounds that are left open. Dr.B: Also, it’s very important to realize that you’re going to be in a true survival setting. You’re going to be outside a lot and if you’re not prepared for the climate and the weather the environment becomes your enemy. You need to know how to deal with heat exhaustion, heat stroke, a lot of the country right now is going through a major heat wave so you need to know how to deal with people that may be experiencing heat exhaustion, heat stroke. You need to know in cold weather, how to deal with people suffering from exposure. Things like frost bite and hypothermia. So these are very, very important. Nurse Amy: I’m going to add a number 11. I’m going to add sanitation. A lot of people don’t think of the medic or the medical professional or whoever is taking charge of that for a group, community of family but if you don’t learn how to properly dispose of your waste that are going to come out of your body whether you like it or not. You can cause serious illness in a family. If you’re not disposing of things. If these are disposed of near where you’re growing food or near your water source. Things can become contaminated so you really need to learn proper waste disposal. Dr. B: Absolutely. Nurse Amy: And possibly, unfortunately deceased disposal. Dr. B: Right. In addition, it’s important, here we are telling you all the things you need to, all the abnormal things that you need to learn to recognize, you need to know what is normal as well. Our book talks about how to perform a physical exam and how to do it in a fashion so that you know what’s normal and what’s not. That’s the thing, if you don’t practice checking things out to see what is normal, many times you won’t recognize when things are abnormal. Tom: So your book pretty much covers in detail most of your medical situations that people might encounter when there is no doctor available. You know I’ve gotten several books that I’ve collected over the years on different topics like you know the Army survival manual and different survival manuals but your book covers a lot of the things that those books don’t even touch on. And so for having a survival manual I think that your book is a really good manual that covers a lot of things that other books just don’t have. Nurse Amy: Well I think that in the third edition that we have, you know we really do listen to people and I think people who have met us in person or people who have corresponded with us either through face book or emails or phone calls understand that we truly are here with a mission to put a medically prepared person in every family. We really believe that deep down in our soul. Through the years writing and creating the first book and then writing and creating the second book and then writing three more years and creating the third book, not only did we get feedback from our article but some of those articles were generated because of people saying, “Hey! Could you talk about this? Could you talk about that? You know I haven’t seen anybody mention this.” So if you really look at our book it is not Dr. Alton and Amy Alton just writing that book. This really is a book that represents the survival community and their needs and us responding to what people have asked for. Dr.B: And the most important thing about the book is that it is all written in plain English. If there is a medical term that I have to use I tell you exactly what it means right then and there so there is no doubt as to what we’re talking about. So it’s is a very easily understandable book. It’s a book that the average person, the average 13 year old could read and be able to act if they need to. Nurse Amy: Right. And we do have teenagers that are interested in it and its so cool when young folks – -in Texas we had an 11 year old who was a little shy. Her dad came up and was talking and he was like, “My daughter really wants to say hi to you guys.” I’m thinking oh you know, a child. Like they really care and I’m thinking the parents are just pushing this on this poor girl. And you know she shakes our hand and she’s all nervous and the dad says, “She doesn’t want to say it but she wants to grow up and be a doctor because of you guys.” I wanted to cry. He’s like, “She got a hold of the book. She started reading it. She can read it. She understood it and now she wants to be a doctor.” I was like, I’m a mom of daughters of course and I’m like aww that’s so cool. But you never know who you’re touching, who you might help, I mean even if nobody uses this book. Maybe in 50 years something might awful happen when most of us are gone who are even here talking and the book still exist in some homes that have been transferred in libraries to grandchildren. Maybe it will help somebody then. You know we don’t wish tragedy on anybody but stuff happens. Tom: Real quick, we’ve only got just a few minutes left and I want to give enough time for you guys to talk a little bit about your board game. Maybe explain a, we only have like 3 or 4 minutes left and maybe explain real quick some tips on how people that are interested in writing a book how they might go about doing that and same thing with your board game. Some tips on how people can get started with Kick Starter. Dr.B: Yeah, alright. We decided because there were a lot of preppers that couldn’t get the rest of the family on the same page as them. We wanted to give them a way that they can get people in the survival mindset in their family without having it sound like a lecture or having it crammed down their throat. So we put together a board game in which you wind up making survival decisions throughout the game. And it’s a fun game, you’re exploring places, you’re making decisions, you’re accumulating assets, you’re using up assets. The game is called Doom and Bloom Survival and the game comes with as a kick starter reward, miniatures so we give that to everybody who orders a game now because we have some extra. So the game is called Doom and Bloom Survivor. It’s an awesome game. You can find it at SurvivalBoardGame.com or at our website at DoomandBloom.net. With regards to Kick Starter the bottom line is number one; have a good product and have rewards that really encourage people to get you to your goals and to reward goals as well. For us, we spent a lot of money to put together miniatures for people that would be- -and instead of putting that way at the end as a zillion dollar once we reach a zillion dollars you get miniatures. We made it the absolute first thing. Something really good right at the first reward goal. So that I think is very important and also you have to have lots of great images on your kick starter page and let people know what your product is and let them know why they need it. In this case it was to really help those people in the preparedness community that were having trouble with the rest of the family getting on board and that’s important. What was the other thing I was supposed to talk about? Nurse Amy: how we did the Kick Starter. Tom: How do you write a book? Dr.B: You know, everybody has a book in the. I feel this from the bottom of my heart. Everybody has a book in them and everybody has special knowledge. Things that only they know from their life experience. Nurse Amy: And their passion. What they love. Dr.B: Right. If there’s something that you love. If you love horses and you have horses then write about horses. If you love gardening and you garden then write about gardening. We write about medicine but we write about medicine in our own mindset and it’s something that we are passionate about. We’re feverishly, by the end of my life, I’m going to have some medics. Some people that are right now are held in reserve but one day they may have to be the end of the line in regards to the way- – Tom: We have less than a minute left. Could you tell people how they can reach you guys? Cause we do have a few questions in the chat room that we didn’t get to. So how can they reach you guys, email you guys and give your website real quick. Nurse Amy: Ok. Our website is DoomandBloom.net. I have a store I put together custom medical kits that I designed, an entire line. Store.doomandbloom.net. Facebook can be Joe Alton MD. Also we have a Survival Medicine Group, Facebook group, find that one its awesome. We have a YouTube Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy. I have hundreds of videos. Dr.B: And our podcast The Survival Medicine hour on this network. Tom: Gotta go, producers telling me we’re going out. Talk to you later guys. This article first appeared on Galtstrike and may be copied under the following creative commons license. 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