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March 19, 2017 ItchyDog 0

Unfortunately, I just take this stuff in-stride now.

In another 10 or 15 years we’ll be in line to have the rfid chip put in. They’ll have to wheel me into the line as I’ll probably be in a wheelchair and wearing diapers by then, and won’t care.

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March 9, 2017 ReadyMom 0
anita wrote:
Mine have pink stickies too! The only problem is that I was on a meeting call, and everyone’s face showed up but mine, which was a pink square. It took me about a minute to realize it was my sticky over the camera. Tough explaining to that group of liberal writers why I had my computer camera covered. :blush:

Well, at least you know it works. I just checked mine and this is what I see for ‘facetime’ (which we use with our son all the time … I’ll have to remember to take off the stickie!):Screen Shot 2017-03-09 at 1.46.28 PM.png

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March 9, 2017 ReadyMom 0
anita wrote:
Mine have pink stickies too! The only problem is that I was on a meeting call, and everyone’s face showed up but mine, which was a pink square. It took me about a minute to realize it was my sticky over the camera. Tough explaining to that group of liberal writers why I had my computer camera covered. :blush:

Well, at least you know it works. I just checked mine and this is what I see for ‘facetime’ (which we use with our son all the time … I’ll have to remember to take off the stickie!):Screen Shot 2017-03-09 at 1.46.28 PM.png

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March 9, 2017 anita 0

Mine have pink stickies too! The only problem is that I was on a meeting call, and everyone’s face showed up but mine, which was a pink square. It took me about a minute to realize it was my sticky over the camera. Tough explaining to that group of liberal writers why I had my computer camera covered. :blush:

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March 9, 2017 Stahlrosen 0
IceFire wrote:
And this comes as a surprise to anyone…WHY exactly? The gov spying on citizens has been going on for decades, and to me, the ONLY surprise is that people are surprised by this! Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

I agree. I can’t imagine anyone is surprised by this. People think it was supposed to be stopped years ago?! Really? What rock were they hiding under. This got released into the wild, and is now being exposed to the uninformed masses. So if the CIA knows all the hacking secrets, they know how to prevent the hacking / spying they are doing, but will they? I don’t know that this leaves us much more exposed than we were to begin with, it’s just that more people know about it.

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March 9, 2017 anita 0
IceFire wrote:
If I’m on my computer, the “view” from the camera is the top of my head, due to the angle. If I’m NOT on my computer, it is turned OFF, and the lid is SHUT. Even if the computer got turned on, the lid is shut and there’d be NOTHING to see. Besides, due to my job, they already have my picture, fingerprints, and life history.

You have a laptop, I guess. If you have a desktop, that isn’t the case.

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March 9, 2017 IceFire 0

If I’m on my computer, the “view” from the camera is the top of my head, due to the angle. If I’m NOT on my computer, it is turned OFF, and the lid is SHUT. Even if the computer got turned on, the lid is shut and there’d be NOTHING to see. Besides, due to my job, they already have my picture, fingerprints, and life history.

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March 9, 2017 IceFire 0

If I’m on my computer, the “view” from the camera is the top of my head, due to the angle. If I’m NOT on my computer, it is turned OFF, and the lid is SHUT. Even if the computer got turned on, the lid is shut and there’d be NOTHING to see. Besides, due to my job, they already have my picture, fingerprints, and life history.

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March 8, 2017 anita 0
rickdun wrote:
G–snip–

They can lisen to my conversations, what I right on the computer, read my mail, or anything else they want to because I’m one of those deplorables, bible reading, gun toting kind of guys, I have nothing to hide nor nothing to fear.

You might think you aren’t doing/saying anything wrong, but the powers that be (at some point) might not agree. I have been shocked and appalled at the way the left has taken things out of context or deliberately misconstrued/misinterpreted something said. You can see it with Donald Trump almost every day.

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March 8, 2017 anita 0
rickdun wrote:
G–snip–

They can lisen to my conversations, what I right on the computer, read my mail, or anything else they want to because I’m one of those deplorables, bible reading, gun toting kind of guys, I have nothing to hide nor nothing to fear.

You might think you aren’t doing/saying anything wrong, but the powers that be (at some point) might not agree. I have been shocked and appalled at the way the left has taken things out of context or deliberately misconstrued/misinterpreted something said. You can see it with Donald Trump almost every day.

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March 8, 2017 rickdun 0

IceFire, I’m not supprised by this, not many people trust the government anymore, including me. I’m a retired Fed Lawenforcement officer and I know first hand how the government is as straight as a dogs hind leg.

What people are supprised about is that it was supposed to stop a few years ago and it hasn’t, it’s gotten worse and that the feds now don’t know how many foreign countries have this malware they have been using and are now afraid that it’s going to be used against the U.S.. I think we are in deep doo doo.

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March 8, 2017 rickdun 0

IceFire, I’m not supprised by this, not many people trust the government anymore, including me. I’m a retired Fed Lawenforcement officer and I know first hand how the government is as straight as a dogs hind leg.

What people are supprised about is that it was supposed to stop a few years ago and it hasn’t, it’s gotten worse and that the feds now don’t know how many foreign countries have this malware they have been using and are now afraid that it’s going to be used against the U.S.. I think we are in deep doo doo.

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March 8, 2017 IceFire 0
rickdun wrote:
Just read an article, wikileaks just released about malware the CIA put out throughout the US, still spying on US citizens by using citizens smart TV’s, smart phones, etc.. Seems this was supposed to have been halted by Obama, I guess not. Also it was reported that the CIA has lost control of the walware and maybe in other hands.

http://www.wikileaks.com
http://www.foxnews.com

And this comes as a surprise to anyone…WHY exactly? The gov spying on citizens has been going on for decades, and to me, the ONLY surprise is that people are surprised by this! Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

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March 8, 2017 IceFire 0
rickdun wrote:
Just read an article, wikileaks just released about malware the CIA put out throughout the US, still spying on US citizens by using citizens smart TV’s, smart phones, etc.. Seems this was supposed to have been halted by Obama, I guess not. Also it was reported that the CIA has lost control of the walware and maybe in other hands.

http://www.wikileaks.com
http://www.foxnews.com

And this comes as a surprise to anyone…WHY exactly? The gov spying on citizens has been going on for decades, and to me, the ONLY surprise is that people are surprised by this! Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

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March 8, 2017 ajax727 0
rickdun wrote:
Good for you guys Outback, maybe some other towns/cities will wake up and smell the roses.

Ajax727, I agree, yes it has been going on since 911, but OBOZO supposedly put a stop to it a few years ago when Snowdon leaked it to the press. But of course he lied again.

They can lisen to my conversations, what I right on the computer, read my mail, or anything else they want to because I’m one of those deplorables, bible reading, gun toting kind of guys, I have nothing to hide nor nothing to fear.

I am in that bucket also and i consider it an honor just as you do . We have eight years of lies from odrama and his thugs . The leaks tells us how we are spied on 24/7 .
With all the spying that has been going on there should be records of the clintons , odrama the dmc ,the repubs , hopefully we can gain some facts about the crooks that ran our country into the ground .

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March 8, 2017 ajax727 0
rickdun wrote:
Good for you guys Outback, maybe some other towns/cities will wake up and smell the roses.

Ajax727, I agree, yes it has been going on since 911, but OBOZO supposedly put a stop to it a few years ago when Snowdon leaked it to the press. But of course he lied again.

They can lisen to my conversations, what I right on the computer, read my mail, or anything else they want to because I’m one of those deplorables, bible reading, gun toting kind of guys, I have nothing to hide nor nothing to fear.

I am in that bucket also and i consider it an honor just as you do . We have eight years of lies from odrama and his thugs . The leaks tells us how we are spied on 24/7 .
With all the spying that has been going on there should be records of the clintons , odrama the dmc ,the repubs , hopefully we can gain some facts about the crooks that ran our country into the ground .

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March 8, 2017 rickdun 0

Good for you guys Outback, maybe some other towns/cities will wake up and smell the roses.

Ajax727, I agree, yes it has been going on since 911, but OBOZO supposedly put a stop to it a few years ago when Snowdon leaked it to the press. But of course he lied again.

They can lisen to my conversations, what I right on the computer, read my mail, or anything else they want to because I’m one of those deplorables, bible reading, gun toting kind of guys, I have nothing to hide nor nothing to fear.

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March 8, 2017 rickdun 0

Good for you guys Outback, maybe some other towns/cities will wake up and smell the roses.

Ajax727, I agree, yes it has been going on since 911, but OBOZO supposedly put a stop to it a few years ago when Snowdon leaked it to the press. But of course he lied again.

They can lisen to my conversations, what I right on the computer, read my mail, or anything else they want to because I’m one of those deplorables, bible reading, gun toting kind of guys, I have nothing to hide nor nothing to fear.

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March 8, 2017 ajax727 0

wow , they are and have been spying on us, is this news to some this is but to a few of us not news at all .
The funny part to me is they have been doing this for a long long time , i have wrote and talked to people about this and people have told me i was wrong they can’t do that .
Well it is time for people to understand that all aspects of there private lives is now gone . Your phones , your TV , your laptop , your AI , all that smart crap you have around you is just a little spy .also you think you are safe from being spied on while you drive around think again , all the cameras and plate readers so get a grasp on just how far the spying reaches into you everyday life . Oh and you think you are safe from the spy network just because you live out in the woods somewhere what foolish thinking . the eyes in the sky sees everything .
The fact are now known , so what can be done to stop this method of spying used against us , well hell not a damn thing .

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March 8, 2017 ajax727 0

wow , they are and have been spying on us, is this news to some this is but to a few of us not news at all .
The funny part to me is they have been doing this for a long long time , i have wrote and talked to people about this and people have told me i was wrong they can’t do that .
Well it is time for people to understand that all aspects of there private lives is now gone . Your phones , your TV , your laptop , your AI , all that smart crap you have around you is just a little spy .also you think you are safe from being spied on while you drive around think again , all the cameras and plate readers so get a grasp on just how far the spying reaches into you everyday life . Oh and you think you are safe from the spy network just because you live out in the woods somewhere what foolish thinking . the eyes in the sky sees everything .
The fact are now known , so what can be done to stop this method of spying used against us , well hell not a damn thing .

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March 8, 2017 theoutback 0
rickdun wrote:
We now live in a political correctness, police, welfare, fake news state and it’s too far gone for anyone to change it now. My personnal opinion is all hell is going to break loose before Trump finishes his first term. Law abiding citizens are fed up with everything and sooner or later they will rebel and I’m prepared, so bring it on.

Yesterday was a great day for the good guys Rickdun. We kicked out a mayor here locally that thought he was a dictotor. He unilaterally decided he was bringing in refugees to the city. He didn’t inform the citizens or the alderman (local name for city council), he just went ahead and said 100 refugees are coming in, while lying left and right to the citizens. It made the national news. https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/sear … tion=click

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/27/el … stion.html

Well he did get what was coming to him, he got voted out of office yesterday. So there is some good news and good people still left in America. :clap:

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March 8, 2017 Cast Iron 0

The fact they can or have inserted code to instruct the hardware to remain “On” while the GUI display “Fake Off” could be just about anything from the video camera, microphone, or even the Wi-Fi.

Using the IoT, in theory they can follow you through your own home as you move from room to room.

I do not find it surprising, as I know it is inserting lines of code. There have been reporting in the past of smart device companies putting in background code to report on usage.

I find it surprising the CIA has lost control of some of it, or there is malware out in the wild so to speak.

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March 8, 2017 rickdun 0

We now live in a political correctness, police, welfare, fake news state and it’s too far gone for anyone to change it now. My personnal opinion is all hell is going to break loose before Trump finishes his first term. Law abiding citizens are fed up with everything and sooner or later they will rebel and I’m prepared, so bring it on.

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March 8, 2017 Blondie 0

I wasn’t exactly stunned by the revelations.

I read the article about the death of Michael Hastings. Interesting that his fiance had preceeded him in death. By enemy fire, of course.

He must have been oblivious to the warning or that dedicated to his cause.

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March 7, 2017 rickdun 0

Just read an article, wikileaks just released about malware the CIA put out throughout the US, still spying on US citizens by using citizens smart TV’s, smart phones, etc.. Seems this was supposed to have been halted by Obama, I guess not. Also it was reported that the CIA has lost control of the walware and maybe in other hands.

http://www.wikileaks.com
http://www.foxnews.com

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February 14, 2017 Renerylee2 0

I’ve given it some thought and if it’s a long term disaster, I would not answer the door. I would,however, put a sign on the doors telling people not to break in the door thinking that I am not there or they will be shot. They’ve been told not to come to my house anyway. One who even believes hard times are ahead said “The Lord will provide”. I told her not to confuse me with the Lord.

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February 9, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
apache235 wrote:
If we get invaded by the Russians or Chinese all bets are off but I wouldn’t give them good odds as long as the US military was still in existence. The South Africa situation is just the opposite of here. 12% of the population is not going to run roughshod over the rest of us, especially out in the country where they might just stand out a bit. Their domain will be the cities. Home invasions are on the rise, but when resisted, the bad guys tend to lose – not all the time but for the most part they aren’t up for a firefight. I would think that folks in the country are more likely to stick together AND they have the knowledge necessary to survive. City dwellers and snowflakes, not so much. Stay in the city if you want to, it may just work out fine. Being in the midst of tens of thousands to millions of starving people is not my idea of a picnic however.

yet in the worst SHTF this country has ever experienced – other than the World Wars – The Great Depression – the cities attracted everyone looking for some kind of support – the countryside emptied out …. trend continued thru WW2 drawing in people for the defense jobs – modified slightly post war with the metro area expanse – still occurring today – the rural life shrinks more every year ….

the type of SHTF makes all the difference – you can’t call the same play on every down ….

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February 9, 2017 terrapin 0
apache235 wrote:
Please feel free to do what you feel is best, I am in no way trying to tell you to do something different, just expressing my opinion which you disagree with – that doesn’t make either of us right or wrong as none of us has a clue what will happen in this country since it hasn’t happened yet. As far as I’m concerned, this tinkling contest is done.

:thumbup:

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February 9, 2017 apache235 0

Please feel free to do what you feel is best, I am in no way trying to tell you to do something different, just expressing my opinion which you disagree with – that doesn’t make either of us right or wrong as none of us has a clue what will happen in this country since it hasn’t happened yet. As far as I’m concerned, this tinkling contest is done.

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February 9, 2017 BK in KC 0
apache235 wrote:
If we get invaded by the Russians or Chinese all bets are off but I wouldn’t give them good odds as long as the US military was still in existence. The South Africa situation is just the opposite of here. 12% of the population is not going to run roughshod over the rest of us, especially out in the country where they might just stand out a bit. Their domain will be the cities. Home invasions are on the rise, but when resisted, the bad guys tend to lose – not all the time but for the most part they aren’t up for a firefight. I would think that folks in the country are more likely to stick together AND they have the knowledge necessary to survive. City dwellers and snowflakes, not so much. Stay in the city if you want to, it may just work out fine. Being in the midst of tens of thousands to millions of starving people is not my idea of a picnic however.

You clearly haven’t considered what happens in an economic collapse. The author of the first article lived through one, so I’ll take his advice over yours thanks. And you have exactly zero idea what my prepping situation is or BOL’s I may have prepped.

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February 9, 2017 apache235 0

If we get invaded by the Russians or Chinese all bets are off but I wouldn’t give them good odds as long as the US military was still in existence. The South Africa situation is just the opposite of here. 12% of the population is not going to run roughshod over the rest of us, especially out in the country where they might just stand out a bit. Their domain will be the cities. Home invasions are on the rise, but when resisted, the bad guys tend to lose – not all the time but for the most part they aren’t up for a firefight. I would think that folks in the country are more likely to stick together AND they have the knowledge necessary to survive. City dwellers and snowflakes, not so much. Stay in the city if you want to, it may just work out fine. Being in the midst of tens of thousands to millions of starving people is not my idea of a picnic however.

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February 8, 2017 BK in KC 0

I think too many rural people have an unrealistic sense of security. Below is a great article by Ferfal, an author and survivor of the Argentina collapse.

Real world SHTF: The Countryside is more Dangerous

One of the most commonly accepted misconceptions in the survival and preparedness community is that “once SHTF”, you “gotta get out of Dodge!”
It seems that not many people ask why and just accept this as an unquestionable fact, but those that do usually get a reply about cities being where most people are and therefore where problems will be worse. The logic here would be that more people=more problems. While this may be the case in some specific scenarios, those of us that have dedicated years of our lives to seriously study real disasters tend to have a different opinion, and the answer is: Its not that simple.

The best location to ride out a disaster, large or small, is directly linked to the type of disaster you are facing. In the case of war, widespread terrorism or uprisings, running to the countryside is probably the last thing you want to do.

In the case of an invading force moving across a country, both cities and more rural areas would be equally at risk. Ground troops moving forward will go through all buildings looking for enemies, scouts and spies and no survival retreat with armed occupants will present much of problem to anyone with mortar fire at their disposal. Anything that falls within the enemy occupation territory is at risk.

Different historic incidents such as the Bosnian war, involving an invading, foreign force, or the violence in South Africa, in this case a local threat, targeting farmers after the African National Congress rose to power, have shown us that the countryside isn’t always an idyllic safe place to be in when everything goes to hell.

Also of note is the plight of rural farmers in South Africa.

South African farmers fearing for their lives

Since the attack on Attie Potgieter and his family, the simple stone farmhouse where they lived has stood empty and crumbling, with nobody wanting to live in the home where one of South Africa’s most disturbingly brutal crimes took place.

Mr Potgieter, a farm caretaker, was stabbed and hacked 151 times with a garden fork, a knife and a machete near Lindley in the Free State – the agricultural heart of the country.

His wife, Wilna, and two-year-old daughter, Willemien, were both made to watch him die, before being shot in the head, execution style. All for pocket money, and possessions of relatively little value – a too-common story in South Africa’s rural areas, where mostly white Afrikaner farmers feel they are being targeted in gratuitously violent attacks on their remote farms and smallholdings. They accuse police and government of failing to make these crimes a priority. And as the horrifying murders continue, they are growing increasingly angry.

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The murder last weekend of British engineer Chris Preece, 54, who was born in Southgate in north London and found his dream on a piece of rolling farmland bordering Lesotho’s Maluti mountains, is the most recent farm killing to make headlines.

Mr Preece spent his weekdays working in Johannesburg before retreating to his beloved farm near the town of Ficksburg, where he and wife Felicity dreamed of starting a nature reserve to save raptor birds and cheetahs.

He was stabbed and hacked to death by men who stole just £210 and a mobile phone. Felicity was left severely traumatised with a skull fracture, and has not yet been able to talk about the attack from the Bloemfontein hospital in where she is being treated.

And these dangers aren’t just confined to so-called “third world” countries.

Home invasions hit rural Nevada County

Authorities are searching for at least three armed and dangerous males allegedly responsible for a series of home invasions and armed robberies that resulted in exchanges of gunfire, a stolen vehicle, and a dog that was shot during two incidents Friday and Saturday morning.

According to police logs, the first incident occurred Friday morning at 6:30 a.m. on the 17000 block of Black Forest Road in Penn Valley where at least three men armed with handguns conducted a home invasion, handcuffed the occupants and held them at gunpoint before stealing their vehicle and fleeing the scene.

The assailants were asking where the guns of the victims were located though it is unknown whether or not they left with any.

The stolen vehicle was later recovered unoccupied in the Pleasant Valley/Indian Springs area and was returned to the owner.

The suspects were described as wearing black ops masks, dark clothing, and black gloves.

The second incident occurred Saturday morning at 12:27 a.m. on the 18000 block of Backwoods Road east of North San Juan, and also involved three males, all seen wearing ski masks and black hoodies.

Two were identified as white males and two had black pistols, and upon arriving to the victim’s property, ordered an adult son to the ground where his hands were zip tied.

The suspects fired two shots first and shot the victim’s dog which alerted the owner of the property, who was armed, and proceeded to exchange fire with the suspects who left the scene in a newer 2014-2015 black Dodge Ram with a camper shell, logs state.

The suspects had parked their vehicle about 20 feet behind the victim’s vehicles in the driveway and fired their weapons as they backed out the same way they came in.

It is unclear, though, if the two incidents are related.

Be dismissive of these real life examples at your own peril.

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February 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

apache235 wrote:Staying in town is an invitation to disaster. At some point someone will notice that you aren’t starving and they will come. They will come when you least expect it or when you do or both. They will come and they will prevail. Tornado, EQ, storm, whatever, sure help out. Grid down, get as far away from people as you can to a secure location that you have stocked with the necessities to keep you and yours alive for the duration – which may be years. Saying NO is easy if there is no one to say no to.

and when raiders start attacking isolated farm places that’ll make you safe how? …. or will you be another Jeremiah Johnson fighting off the Indians one by one …

I don’t sign up to your Mad Max scenario. Most of the violence will happen in the cities. City folk coming to the country to sack it will be dealt with pretty quickly. The City folk would have to be an Army to be effective.

If we are fighting everywhere all the time, its hopeless might as well swallow a bullet.

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February 8, 2017 KazKaz 0

New to the forum.
Just noticed this thread.
My belief is that the variables of the precipitating event will dictate individual decisions to opportunities that may arise.
Given an EMP type scenario where the situation is known to be temporary, and the members of the compound are secure in the ability of the crops to more than sustain an adequate quality of life for the foreseeable future?
I see no harm in accepting new members, as long as they have proven their worth by surviving on their own for the first week or two.
In an urban setting? Different story. I can’t even begin to imagine the anarchy of desperation that would prevail.
In the midst of something like a volcanic eruption event that will diminish the capacity of the compound to sustain itself until crops can be harvested again? Different story.
In the end, it is all situational.
I believe that is what gives an advantage to the far rural camps. The harder you are to find, the weak will be less likely to come knocking.
Having a retreat several days walking distance from major cities will provide a buffer that preserves the sanity of those who will be faced with the exact same choice to make closer to civilization.
Prepping is all about survival. Survival dictates the minimization of potential liabilities.
If a stranger offers something deemed – by the group – to be of equal value to barter with, a deal can be made that strengthens the integrity of the camp, rather than compromising it.
Of course, the question becomes.. what if they have absolutely nothing to offer?
Let’s not go there.
The breakdown of civilization will be a very ugly and immoral place.

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February 8, 2017 terrapin 0

Illini…

and when raiders start attacking isolated farm places that’ll make you safe how? …. or will you be another Jeremiah Johnson fighting off the Indians one by one …

Yep…
maybe two by two…
maybe six by six…

don’t underestimate…

terp

Reb
“Worms gotta eat”, Clint Eastwood as Josey Wales :gunshooting

:thumbsup:

As do buzzards…
terp

Statistics: Posted by terrapin — Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:49 pm


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Personal Safety and Home Security • Re: Saying no to unprepared families

February 8, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
Defcon09 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:

apache235 wrote:Staying in town is an invitation to disaster. At some point someone will notice that you aren’t starving and they will come. They will come when you least expect it or when you do or both. They will come and they will prevail. Tornado, EQ, storm, whatever, sure help out. Grid down, get as far away from people as you can to a secure location that you have stocked with the necessities to keep you and yours alive for the duration – which may be years. Saying NO is easy if there is no one to say no to.

and when raiders start attacking isolated farm places that’ll make you safe how? …. or will you be another Jeremiah Johnson fighting off the Indians one by one …

Must not know much about farms and farm life. Most likely you will be much SAFER, key word – safer on a farm (big piece of property) generally located several miles away from the city. Now if I was in search of provisions I’d chose the easiest sources generally found in apartment complexes and the like. I can cover more ground in less time. As my provisions dwindle and they are harder to find I move to the rural areas to search. Now, I should know that there is more open space out there and I can be spotted quicker by the ones protecting their provisions, more like to be shot and killed. Once I get out in the farm land I am probably walking because gas supplies are depleted, takes longer to get around, have to carry my spoils on my person instead of in a car or truck. Man this sucks……………I go find another city. The person on a 100 acre farm can spot an intruder earlier and can get you lined up in his 9x scope on his 308 sniper rifle – what more can be said?

Exactly. City people have no idea how easy they are to spot. Their body language is a dead giveaway. So called “raiders” would first have to deal with several thousand well armed locals before they got anywhere close to me. Raiders will be swiftly dealt with.

Reb
“Worms gotta eat”, Clint Eastwood as Josey Wales :gunshooting:

Statistics: Posted by rebnavy1862 — Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:42 pm


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Personal Safety and Home Security • Re: Saying no to unprepared families

February 8, 2017 Defcon09 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

apache235 wrote:Staying in town is an invitation to disaster. At some point someone will notice that you aren’t starving and they will come. They will come when you least expect it or when you do or both. They will come and they will prevail. Tornado, EQ, storm, whatever, sure help out. Grid down, get as far away from people as you can to a secure location that you have stocked with the necessities to keep you and yours alive for the duration – which may be years. Saying NO is easy if there is no one to say no to.

and when raiders start attacking isolated farm places that’ll make you safe how? …. or will you be another Jeremiah Johnson fighting off the Indians one by one …

Must not know much about farms and farm life. Most likely you will be much SAFER, key word – safer on a farm (big piece of property) generally located several miles away from the city. Now if I was in search of provisions I’d chose the easiest sources generally found in apartment complexes and the like. I can cover more ground in less time. As my provisions dwindle and they are harder to find I move to the rural areas to search. Now, I should know that there is more open space out there and I can be spotted quicker by the ones protecting their provisions, more like to be shot and killed. Once I get out in the farm land I am probably walking because gas supplies are depleted, takes longer to get around, have to carry my spoils on my person instead of in a car or truck. Man this sucks……………I go find another city. The person on a 100 acre farm can spot an intruder earlier and can get you lined up in his 9x scope on his 308 sniper rifle – what more can be said?

Statistics: Posted by Defcon09 — Tue Feb 07, 2017 7:09 pm