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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 29, 2017 daaswampman 0
ReadyMom wrote:

daaswampman wrote: For most people, social distancing and sheltering in place may be their best options, unless your bug out location is free of birds! Swamp

Swamp, in a pandemic, social distancing & sheltering wouldn’t be just the best option for everyone. Until a viable vaccine is made for the strain moving through, it would be the only option.

For those not familiar w/ pandemics, don’t get fooled into thinking once it moves through your area, it’s all clear and gone away. Pandemics come in ‘waves’.

          Wave 1: the first time it comes through and creates illness & death.
          Then everyone thinks it’s gone through and all is oke. They begin to go out and socialize. Interaction with each other again.

              THEN:

          Wave 2: comes through because there is still no immunity to the virus, until it either burns out by killing all who have no immunity & leaving behind only those who are immune, or population is vaccinated against the virus.

Sometimes the second wave is more severe than the first. Each wave can last several months at a time. Sometimes there are more than 2 waves.

Pandemics & EMPS. Both have the same devastation to population. Massive deaths. :( -k

I agree unless you get out early and have a remote location. Thank You for bringing up the time element! I agree it could be months before it is safe to get out. Then there is a problem when and if a vaccine becomes available! You really don’t want to get exposed until the vaccine has had a chance to build your immunity! No different than people waiting until the flu is in their community to then rush out for a flu shot and then complain it didn’t work or it gave them the flu!

Even that may be a the optimistic outcome, this could be far more complex due to inter-species transmissions and expected transfers and mutations! If one cuts loose, there could be multiple waves of similar yet different bugs. Swamp

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 29, 2017 ReadyMom 0
daaswampman wrote:
For most people, social distancing and sheltering in place may be their best options, unless your bug out location is free of birds! Swamp

Swamp, in a pandemic, social distancing & sheltering wouldn’t be just the best option for everyone. Until a viable vaccine is made for the strain moving through, it would be the only option.

For those not familiar w/ pandemics, don’t get fooled into thinking once it moves through your area, it’s all clear and gone away. Pandemics come in ‘waves’.

          Wave 1: the first time it comes through and creates illness & death.
          Then everyone thinks it’s gone through and all is oke. They begin to go out and socialize. Interaction with each other again.

              THEN:

          Wave 2: comes through because there is still no immunity to the virus, until it either burns out by killing all who have no immunity & leaving behind only those who are immune, or population is vaccinated against the virus.

Sometimes the second wave is more severe than the first. Each wave can last several months at a time. Sometimes there are more than 2 waves.

Pandemics & EMPS. Both have the same devastation to population. Massive deaths. :( -k

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 29, 2017 ReadyMom 0
daaswampman wrote:
On the bright side modern communication should let us know its coming and where the outbreaks are, but that could also lead to panic migration with rapid spread. For most people, social distancing and sheltering in place may be their best options, unless your bug out location is free of birds! Swamp

People, like all of us who frequent prep forums, will hopefully get a heads us sooner than most. Also, helpful to follow sites like FluTrackers who are constantly monitoring potential health/pandemic situations. Sites (like FluTrackers) have ‘newshounds’ that are continually digging & scanning the global net news sources and reporting updates. The situation in Mexico, several years ago, that ended up being the start of the 2009 swine flu pandemic is a good example of an early heads up that a lot of us got. Someone posted a random ‘hey I think something strange is happening here, what do you think‘ type of post and there it was. It pays to stay current and not have your head in the sand. Because of that single post a lot of “panflu” preppers were already aware and ramping up their home medical preps well before main-stream media reported it. -k

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 29, 2017 daaswampman 0
Cast Iron wrote:
I never get the flu shot. Well, not since the military.

Will I have developed an immunity to a future bug?

I do not know.

But I like to think my body is that much more robust than the next guy.

The answer is no. Viral immunity is very selective and usually short lived. On the flip side, it is very unlikely any vaccine would stop a pandemic bug! Only in the movies can they rush out a life saving vaccine that saves humanity in the nick of time.

On the bright side modern communication should let us know its coming and where the outbreaks are, but that could also lead to panic migration with rapid spread. For most people, social distancing and sheltering in place may be their best options, unless your bug out location is free of birds! Swamp

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 28, 2017 ReadyMom 0
donba wrote:
When Readymom starts posting about locking down, then I worry and duck and cover……..

:| . . . :'( Honestly, I haven’t been following flu, like I used to :blush: . I think I’m shell-shocked from the H5N1 threat that never panned out and the the 2009 Swine flu pandemic that died out after the mass vaccinations at the school start up in the fall. There have been so many other pressing problems (national politics, economy, international turmoils) that seemed more of a threat than pandemic.

After reading this post, I ran over to FluTrackers to see what was up & current. There’s a thread over there that is keeping current on the H7N9 strain, if anyone is interested (that one seems to be the most concerning): https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/nat … nformation -k

Added to note: Since kicking my prepping up to ‘high-gear’, back in 2006-09, I have SO MUCH *old* food in storage. I’m in the process of looking at some of those things and am in the ‘toss’ or ‘don’t toss’ mode. 2006, 07, 08 & 09 canned soups just sound ‘blah’ and I’m really not sure it’s worth saving them anymore nutritionally. (But that’s a whole ‘nother thread!!) -k

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 28, 2017 IceFire 0
Cast Iron wrote:
I never get the flu shot. Well, not since the military.

Will I have developed an immunity to a future bug?

I do not know.

But I like to think my body is that much more robust than the next guy.

I’ve only had ONE flu shot in my life…also in the military. Let’s just say that anaphylaxis is an experience I do NOT wish to repeat. (Not to mention that needed to post a guard over someone’s body for an hour to make sure they keep breathing takes away nursing resources that can better be used elsewhere.) Whenever flu shot time rolled around after that, they told me to get the heck out of there.

Funny thing is, except for after that shot, when I got a raging case of the flu (they were using us as guinea pigs to test out a “live virus” vaccine that year–after which they decided that live virus vaccine was NOT a good idea) I’ve NEVER had the flu, even when everyone around me got it.

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 28, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
idahobeef wrote:
My BF is a nurse, he read this article and said yes, its very very serious. He’s been in the nursing field for over 30 years, mainly in urban city ERs. Scary!

I can’t believe we haven’t had severe local pandemics with the utter diseased trash that’s coming across the border – none are vaccinated and coming from areas of the world that still have biblical plague diseases common ….

bad enough that the illegals have diseases – but Obammy’s rules allowed diagnosed diseased refugees into the country and spread them into unsuspecting communities – surprised the ever living hell out of some ER docs ….

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 28, 2017 daaswampman 0
oldasrocks wrote:

daaswampman wrote:Good articles and they give me hope! One way of the other the human heard needs thinning! A good worldwide pandemic would certainly be nicer than wars or famine! Swamp

Except for the fact more of us would die off. We’ve been too protected, for too long, from most diseases so we have no immunity built up for anything.

Seems like a win – win to me! Don’t matter if your dead and a better life if your not! Swamp

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Pandemic Preparedness • Re: Proliferation of bird flu outbreaks raises risk of human

January 28, 2017 oldasrocks 0
daaswampman wrote:
Good articles and they give me hope! One way of the other the human heard needs thinning! A good worldwide pandemic would certainly be nicer than wars or famine! Swamp

Except for the fact more of us would die off. We’ve been too protected, for too long, from most diseases so we have no immunity built up for anything.

Statistics: Posted by oldasrocks — Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:15 pm