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Okie’s Law • Re: How do preppers keep from losing their minds?

April 17, 2017 jimLE 0

there’s many ways to stay preoccupied,during a shtf situation.be it short term.to a complete shtf situation,where life as we know it.aint coming back.cards for solitaire and gin rummy,as well as other card games..board and word games.then there’s yard games like ring toss and horseshoes..books.they still come in paperback and hardcover.we had a power outage that lasted 3 days.in which i had no issues with that..then there’s children and adult coloring books.chalk boards and chalk.diff colors of chalk and a paved/concrete driveways.learn how to do things back when there were covered wagons,and no vehicles or electric.learn how to make your own chalk,mix your own paints.

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Okie’s Law • Re: How do preppers keep from losing their minds?

April 17, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
AuntBee wrote:
I see the value of collecting all that information, movies, music for long range use. Unless there’s an EMP that fries everything electronic, the next generations might find them useful or educational. The cards are small and take up little room. Maybe you personally will never have time for those files, but your grandchildren might. I think we’re all going to miss the easy access to information via the Internet more than we expect, especially you young whippersnappers. I have many reference books (old librarian), but the aren’t exactly portable or comprehensive.

I second the suggestions about arts and crafts, cards and board games, jigsaw puzzles, musical insreuments, etc. I’d add a good ham radio set up, too.

Aunt Bee

Agreed here, specifically…

There is going to be a serious moral issue that you need to overcome in a transition to a new lifestyle for someone not already living off-grid now and for our children as well as the intrinsic value of an item like OP has mentioned for ourselves/families….Even though there’s going to be so much to do like others have stated here, there will be downtime and during a transition that downtime is going to be critical to help with the “minds egg” not cracking. We are preparing and understand the issues and are committed to them. the people around us, not so much…..They are going to need help with the transition and a small creature comfort from the past will “Keep the eggs from scrambling”.

Board games will only go so far in the beginning, especially for the young….Even if you tell them that this special gadget will not be here forever, having one for the transition, one for how-to knowledge, a barter item with unimaginable value for the unprepared being pre-loaded, or as aunt bee so wisely puts it for future educational purposes, will be worth its weight in gold for future generations if taken care of properly.

OP, you have an excellent idea but I would caution you on a phone as the only item to access the cards…smart phones these days seem to fail within 2-3 years being designed to always require an upgrade.

We covered something very similar in a thread where I discussed this for a BOB since the entire Library of Congress can fit on this device with the cards you mention….In SHTF, you cant take an entire library with you. in SHTF you will not be traveling 50, 100, 500 miles to go “check out a book” ;) …. the EMP basics were covered here too.

http://americanpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=55208

However you do it, I personally think it is a HUGE idea….Barter item alone, this will be almost priceless for those left behind especially after an EMP let alone any other grid down situation.

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Okie’s Law • Re: How do preppers keep from losing their minds?

April 17, 2017 AuntBee 0

I see the value of collecting all that information, movies, music for long range use. Unless there’s an EMP that fries everything electronic, the next generations might find them useful or educational. The cards are small and take up little room. Maybe you personally will never have time for those files, but your grandchildren might. I think we’re all going to miss the easy access to information via the Internet more than we expect, especially you young whippersnappers. I have many reference books (old librarian), but the aren’t exactly portable or comprehensive.

I second the suggestions about arts and crafts, cards and board games, jigsaw puzzles, musical insreuments, etc. I’d add a good ham radio set up, too.

Aunt Bee

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Okie’s Law • Re: How do preppers keep from losing their minds?

April 17, 2017 watcher 0

How did our country ancestors keep from “losing their minds”? They stayed busy because they had to, there was always work to be done. They also worked hard and at the end of the day were too tired to be bored. Even in the winter there was repairs to be made and things to make (carving out utensils, mending harness, making hand crafted toys/nicknacks, tending stock). Children also had to be taught. Read the historical documents/diaries.

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Okie’s Law • Re: How do preppers keep from losing their minds?

April 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

Perhaps some of this is a generational view of entertainment. I could easily spend the rest of my life in my workshop fixing things or designing the proverbial better mousetrap and enjoy the every minute of it!

Same is true for the greenhouses, gardens, woods, or my big shop full of really old, sometimes they start cars! I would miss the net, but only for the how to stuff, the rest I live without now. Swamp

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April 16, 2017 IceFire 0
arkieready wrote:
Realizing all the work to be done, and setting it aside for to answer OP’s question:
Cards, dominos, real books, pens and paper, textile arts ( knitting, crocheting, sewing, weaving) for quiet times.
A good assortment of acoustic instruments like guitars, mandolin, fiddle, Irish (tin) whistle, harmonicas, glockenspiel (really!) and a small accordion for times when we can make a joyful noise unto The Lord!! Plus music books.

THIS! I also have a good supply of art supplies (paint–oils, acrylic; pastels; charcoal and charcoal pencils; colored pencils; sketchbooks/sketchpads; canvas pads; brushes; etc.) books (both “homesteading/gardening/livestock” books, as well as classics, novels, music books, cookbooks, etc) musical instruments (guitar, harmonica, Native American flutes, clarinet) LOTS of fabric for sewing/quilting (also a working treadle machine, for sewing without electric power)

However, I figure I’ll be so busy with the garden, livestock, canning whatever I harvest, etc. I won’t have TIME to be bored. By the time I get done with all the WORK, I’ll be ready to fall into bed, just to get up and start over again the next day.

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Okie’s Law • Re: How do preppers keep from losing their minds?

April 16, 2017 arkieready 0

Realizing all the work to be done, and setting it aside for to answer OP’s question:
Cards, dominos, real books, pens and paper, textile arts ( knitting, crocheting, sewing, weaving) for quiet times.
A good assortment of acoustic instruments like guitars, mandolin, fiddle, Irish (tin) whistle, harmonicas, glockenspiel (really!) and a small accordion for times when we can make a joyful noise unto The Lord!! Plus music books.

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April 16, 2017 Stahlrosen 0

The only way I can see needing entertainment is to give yourself an occasional break from reality if you are lucky enough to have that luxury. Or in the case of injury where a person isn’t very mobile, or not at all, I can see tasking them with the learning and teaching! And giving them something to take their mind off their situation.
I truly can’t imagine being bored. There is so so much to do that I don’t know where the time would come from. I do think taking a little break (again if that luxury allows) from reality is good for mental health, so yes having some escape you enjoy might be beneficial. But I just can’t fathom anyone that wants to survive will have a lot of spare time on their hands.

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April 16, 2017 3ADScout 0

I think some of the issue is what we precieve as SHTF Vs. TEOTWAWKI situations. To me I use this system as far as levels of impact:

1. Emergencies- house fire, heart attack, things on a personal level verse a community.
2. Disasters- incidents that impact my community or regionally like flood, tornado, snow storm, whose impacts will only be for a limited time.
3. Catastrophes- incidents like a Huricane Katrina, or super storm Sandy that cover multiple states, impacts food, gasoline, water, sewer and electric on a wide scale and impacts may be felt for a month or more.
4. Extinction level event (ELI) – truely a TEOTWAWKI incident. Geomagnetic storm (CME), EMP, pandemic (think something killing of 1/4 or population or more), large asteroid hit, Nuclear War, sea level rise, etc.

If the Hiddenprepper views SHTF as 1 or 2 I can see thinking about entertainment and electronic devices. I would only provide cheap entertainment to the neighbors if I started to run barbed wire and put in tangle-foot for security for a three day power outage. For incident in 3 may or may not be concerned about entertainment. For 4 definitely not concern with entertainment or electronic devices other than those like radios for Intel. My reloading bench and most valued books are kept in my shelter area so that as we wait for fallout levels to decrease we can re-load, and read about skill we are going to need.

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April 16, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
oldasrocks wrote:
We’re not trying to put you down HiddenPrepper. Instead trying to educate you. When SHTF it won’t be like sitting through a snowstorm waiting for the snow plow to come by. Even storing “How To” books is a waste of time. Find a copy (0ut of print) of the Readers Digest Back to Basics book and learn everything in there. I don’t mean to just read and study but actually do it. That will keep you busy for a few years. After mastering those skills you can then start learning seriously. You will find there will not be time to be bored as others above have pointed out. The time you would spend downloading books and movies could be used to learn something that would keep you alive.

Prepping is a lifestyle. I don’t prep because I’m afraid of some boogyman. Prepping is a term used to describe how we used to live in the 50’s— Self Reliance– is a better term. I shop for a lot of things because I have become lazy and old not that I need to.

Excellent advice!
Reb

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April 16, 2017 oldasrocks 0

We’re not trying to put you down HiddenPrepper. Instead trying to educate you. When SHTF it won’t be like sitting through a snowstorm waiting for the snow plow to come by. Even storing “How To” books is a waste of time. Find a copy (0ut of print) of the Readers Digest Back to Basics book and learn everything in there. I don’t mean to just read and study but actually do it. That will keep you busy for a few years. After mastering those skills you can then start learning seriously. You will find there will not be time to be bored as others above have pointed out. The time you would spend downloading books and movies could be used to learn something that would keep you alive.

Prepping is a lifestyle. I don’t prep because I’m afraid of some boogyman. Prepping is a term used to describe how we used to live in the 50’s— Self Reliance– is a better term. I shop for a lot of things because I have become lazy and old not that I need to.

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April 16, 2017 MoosePath 0

Personally I would rather stay away from all the electronic BS, I think that is part of the reason that society has gotten to the point we are in today. As Swamp has said we will have enough just to keep us alive. Taking care of the garden, repairs, security, hunting, fishing, fire wood and canning to name a few. But if we get to the point where we need some other form of entertainment we have board games, cards, a library of books and if we need more then that we have a collection of DVD’s .

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April 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

I sincerely doubt there would be any time to get bored! Every time I spend time at the camp (which is now every week), I stay busy until I am dog tired and still never get everything done. If I had to consider security, as I will when something happens, there will be little time for sleep let along entertainment. Swamp

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April 16, 2017 oldasrocks 0

Better yet. Get away from outside stimulation needs. Yes I would have the DT’s for a while if the puter is down but can live without it.

I don’t carry a cell phone. No need to keep in constant contact with others. I rarely watch TV and never the radio even when driving.

There will be plenty to do just to stay alive.

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April 16, 2017 TheHiddenPrepper 0

okay i don’t mean losing their minds in general, what i mean is when shtf what would a prepper do to keep themselves entertained? A few of the ideas of heard are portable dvd players, cd players with audio books or comedy acts recorded, and a few other ideas. But here is my idea, recently i learned that my phone is micro-sd card compatible so i came up with this plan. I am going to put some money into buying 256GB micro-sd cards and filling them with books and movies, i will then spend a few dollars on some solar chargers for my phone. to me this is a almost fool proof plan, I checked the average ebook with 1000 pages is about 20-25MB, which means i could have at the most 12800 books per micro-sd card at at least 10000, i havnt figured out how many Mb’s the average movie but yeah that’s my idea.

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April 13, 2017 Onegreenguy 0
Norman11 wrote:
If you don’t know all ready After Katrina , Congress passed ‘ PUBLIC LAW 109-295 SEC 706 PROHIBITING THE SEIZURE OF FIREARMS IN A EMERGENCY OR DISASTER BY ANY FEDERAL EMPOLYEE OR PERSON ACTING IN SUPPORT OF RELIEF FRON THAT DISASTER. IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO REQUIRE THAT YOU TEMPOARLY SURRENDER YOUR FIREARM WHILE BEING TRANSPORTED BY THEM. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR LAWSUITS IN FEDERAL COURT FOR VIOLATIONS AND FOR RETURN OF THE FIREARM

GET A COPY AND POST IT ON YOU DOOR KEEP A COPY IN YOUR PREPS

Good to know…thanks for sharing that one!

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April 13, 2017 Onegreenguy 0
Norman11 wrote:
If you don’t know all ready After Katrina , Congress passed ‘ PUBLIC LAW 109-295 SEC 706 PROHIBITING THE SEIZURE OF FIREARMS IN A EMERGENCY OR DISASTER BY ANY FEDERAL EMPOLYEE OR PERSON ACTING IN SUPPORT OF RELIEF FRON THAT DISASTER. IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO REQUIRE THAT YOU TEMPOARLY SURRENDER YOUR FIREARM WHILE BEING TRANSPORTED BY THEM. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR LAWSUITS IN FEDERAL COURT FOR VIOLATIONS AND FOR RETURN OF THE FIREARM

GET A COPY AND POST IT ON YOU DOOR KEEP A COPY IN YOUR PREPS

Good to know…thanks for sharing that one!

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February 28, 2017 Norman11 0

If you don’t know all ready After Katrina , Congress passed ‘ PUBLIC LAW 109-295 SEC 706 PROHIBITING THE SEIZURE OF FIREARMS IN A EMERGENCY OR DISASTER BY ANY FEDERAL EMPOLYEE OR PERSON ACTING IN SUPPORT OF RELIEF FRON THAT DISASTER. IT DOES ALLOW THEM TO REQUIRE THAT YOU TEMPOARLY SURRENDER YOUR FIREARM WHILE BEING TRANSPORTED BY THEM. IT ALSO ALLOWS FOR LAWSUITS IN FEDERAL COURT FOR VIOLATIONS AND FOR RETURN OF THE FIREARM

GET A COPY AND POST IT ON YOU DOOR KEEP A COPY IN YOUR PREPS

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February 28, 2017 Murby 0

A criminal with a badge is still a criminal and shall be dealt with as such under a SHTF situation.

If we American’s simply give up our rights because we are afraid to die due to overwhelming force, then we’ve already lost everything. My philosophy is a life for a life.. I am willing to die to protect my rights and the rights of others.. The cops trying to confiscate my guns better be willing to die also because I’m going to get at least one them and I won’t be afraid to fire the first head shot.

When the rest of America takes on the same attitude, they won’t go door to door trying to intimidate people and violate their rights.

They count on the fact that you value your comfortable life with your iphone, xbox, television and fast food more than you value your freedom and your liberties…

Who said the famous phrase “Those who give up liberties for safety deserve neither” or something like that.

Most cops are good people.. and believe it or not, most political leaders have good intentions and are also good people.. even if they make stupid mistakes..

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January 30, 2017 Eaglehrt 0

Some responses here kinda scare me for your own safety. If not in a fight, don’t start one, once you tag yourself in an area, then you have lost the battle before it starts. If you have a stash of weapons and food/water, hopefully it is not in plain sight in a garage or room in the back of the house. In times of Emergency, they can and may even take your stash for the good of the commonwealth. Be smart, weapons/food you need to keep it away from the house and near sheds/barns; bury it and not all together, and hide the tracks of it locations. Think as if the SS was coming soon, and you know how they did things, always prepare for the worst and be smart and sneaky for your families sake. Red paint is good, but also put a marker with it that won’t dry out, when you write on the marker, write as if you have been walking for 20 miles, remember these guys have been running your neighbor hood for many hours, and will be tired,and will not write like an author, but make sure they can read it. They will enter every structure, unless your marker works on their exhaustion and they pass it after a quick look……..Bright Orange will also be good one……… mark on the marker that 2 bodies have been recovered/this will usually work to keep most out due to fright and them not wanting to be around dead bodies.

Do not shoot at, or approach Officer’s with a weapon drawn, your asking to just die………. remember….. they have Radio’s and many more people than you, and be pretty assured they are close within a few blocks.
If you see them coming down the block … house by house and watch them take everyone away………… goto the sewer system, enter the system and make sure your close the lid, and carry a small chain to lock down the lid… this you must plan for and recon(do this for practice before such event occurs), if the lid seems to be locked down, then the one checking will assume it is clear… remember.. do not stand underneath the lid, move away around a corner, keep quiet very quiet and wait it out several hours before one of you poke your head out… yes it must be dark and do not use a flash light….. if this ever happens.. then assume everyone is a threat… do make sure that it is not just a chemical or gas leaks in the area before your take such actions.

Rule of thumb, keep a bugout back for each person in the family…….never take it out of the car/truck unless that person is out of the vehicle. Yes, everyone should,but they don’t, keep the small bugout bag/backpack with at least 2 days supply as they go through the day. There should be a buried cache near your home, and one or two on the way to your bug out place per your worked out routes. Why all this, ok…. your driving home from work..20 miles away; something major happens, it will take you many hours to walk 20 miles, and if you do not have your bag, your gonna be sucking way before, or if even you make it to your house; always be prepared……….. its the little things that get ya first.

Anything from a Tornado,to an ice storm can make things very difficult if you just do things by chance…………prepare for your families sake.

I am not trying to scare anyone, no sugar here, but people need to get their heads out their bung holes if they want a good chance to survive anything major. Your best bet………..leave the Cities now………

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January 29, 2017 Major French 0

Think Like a German U-boat Commander. All windows tape so no light can leak. All noise making devices shut down. Doors locked, outdoor pets crated inside. You can use children’s benadryl squirted by syringe down the throat to keep pets sedated. Furthermore, vrsting makes dogs feel secure because it’s denning-naturally hiding in a cave. Less liable to bark that way. If you cannot function without a blare of music. practice it now.

Donot answer the door if they knock. hide in windowless rooms. If you must in windowed room, get in the closet or lie in the floor flat, lights and noise off. Keep weapons handy, but engage the enemy as a last resort. If you must kill a renegade LEO, strip the body nude and make sure its electronics are off too. Keep the radio to track any cop movements. Stuff the corpse in a sewer after dark. WIth societal chaos, it will be months or decades before it’s found. Burning or burying could get risk. drone attention. cut it up its uniform and ditch them after dark in different place. If you can, spray paint the badge a neon color, so as to make it toy-like but hide it still. If it has a tactical vest, remove it’s ID marks and make it you’re own if that’s feasible. If not, hide it in a closed room, but then dispose of it quietly after the disaster has passed. Think swamps, flea markets, quicksand…

Weaponry isn’t difficult to hide. Many smaller PD and some State police forces use symbols embedded in the grips of handguns to mark ‘s tape them as police property. Use electrician’s tape to hide the grips and later replace them with standard replacements. If the frame isn’t marked for cop useage; you got a free pistol, too. If the frame is marked for cops usage, hide it and later hide in a vehicle at a car crusher’s. OR sell it a flea market, preferably out of state. Long guns can hidden until you can finish the cop ID[not the serial numbers!]and then you can either use them your self or pawn them off at a pawn shop you don’t commonly use, too.

Jewelry can be pawned off easily. It’s best to use at least an out of town pawnshop , too. Eye glasses can be given to eye glass donations booths at the Lion’s club and the shoes can be donated to Good Will. Clean up the shooting with paper, because you can easily destroy when it safe to do safe.

Vehicles turn off their electronics and quietly drive them to a remote place and abandon them. preferably at least large rural brush. cars have so remained hidden for decades.

While my ways may sound grim, the rogue cops committed the sin of Home Invasion when they entered without your permission. THey chose their own deaths.

Statistics: Posted by Major French — Sun Jan 29, 2017 4:03 am