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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 15, 2017 daaswampman 0
air commando wrote:

daaswampman wrote:It will be interesting to hear the whole story. After all it is California and they go nuts over endangered minnows or birds nobody has seen in fifty years!

I think the area in question is mostly of earthen construction and has experienced years of extreme drought. What happens when a dried out foundation is suddenly saturated??? Will these mysteries ever end??? Swamp

Exactly what I was thinking, it’s the same thing you see every time you have a place in desert that gets a ton of water. It can’t be absorbed into the ground quickly enough so you see mudslides and flash flooding. I don’t know if this will put them back in drought conditions if they lose all of this water but I’m sure it will.

Something to be said for nature doing what she wants.

Even without a failure, this will have a huge impact on California. Oroville Dam is an earthfill embankment dam. It is also fifty years old and built with the technology of the day!

They will be forced to lower water levels for inspections and repairs. That could be difficult until after the Spring Run Off.

But what the hell – if you were good living below a pile of gravel 770 foot high and holding an ocean, what’s a leak or two? Swamp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embankment_dam

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 14, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
BK in KC wrote:
I pray that there is no loss of life. I know we like to make fun of California as full of hippy liberals but the truth is that California is a big state and northern CA (where this dam is) is fairly conservative. These people don’t deserve this.

Having said that, CA has wasted something like $3 billion on high-speed rail that nobody needs but couldn’t be bothered to properly maintain this dam even after repeated warnings that something like this was inevitable. Now Governor Brown wants federal disaster relief money to fix this mess that he and his cronies made. No.

Listen, I don’t want any loss of life or homes of course, BUT SCREW CA!!!!

I live here.

We have NO ONE to blame or cry too(The amount of liberal tears here are already enough to blow thru all our dams) but ourselves.
Screw Brown. Screw all of SF, LA, Sacramento, and every self proclaimed sanctuary city in the entire state!!!!….They want to flaunt federal law but come crying for federal funds at the drop of a hat. F THEM!

Decades of mismanagement is the issue here. There were years and years and years of time to fix this problem during the drought and it was noted an issue over 12 years ago…they did NOTHING!!!

This is an “Emergency of self made Chaos” buy allocating taxpayer funds in the wrong areas thru mismanagement and fleecing the taxpayer coffers with out and out thievery…..like for example the hiring of ERIC HOLDER to “Save us from Trump”…..Give me a F’ing break……….SMH.

F them.
F them.
F them.

Now ask me how I really feel….. :rofl:

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 14, 2017 air commando 0
Cast Iron wrote:
This link has some good pics: http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/o … years-ago/

All of the comments are hilarious, just blaming the Dems for mismanagement of everything. I feel for the families and I hate for anyone to lose their home or their valuables but if it were me I would pack up what I like, get to a safe place and then hope the dam fails so I can move to another state and start fresh.

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 14, 2017 air commando 0
daaswampman wrote:
It will be interesting to hear the whole story. After all it is California and they go nuts over endangered minnows or birds nobody has seen in fifty years!

I think the area in question is mostly of earthen construction and has experienced years of extreme drought. What happens when a dried out foundation is suddenly saturated??? Will these mysteries ever end??? Swamp

Exactly what I was thinking, it’s the same thing you see every time you have a place in desert that gets a ton of water. It can’t be absorbed into the ground quickly enough so you see mudslides and flash flooding. I don’t know if this will put them back in drought conditions if they lose all of this water but I’m sure it will.

Something to be said for nature doing what she wants.

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 14, 2017 BK in KC 0

I pray that there is no loss of life. I know we like to make fun of California as full of hippy liberals but the truth is that California is a big state and northern CA (where this dam is) is fairly conservative. These people don’t deserve this.

Having said that, CA has wasted something like $3 billion on high-speed rail that nobody needs but couldn’t be bothered to properly maintain this dam even after repeated warnings that something like this was inevitable. Now Governor Brown wants federal disaster relief money to fix this mess that he and his cronies made. No.

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 14, 2017 IceFire 0

My Dad grew up in Oroville…we used to go up there all the time to visit my Grandfather. I still remember the fighting that went on about building the dam in the first place (a LOT of people were displaced due to the dam construction and creation of the lake), then my Grandfather would take us to see the dam under construction.

My mother currently lives in Chico, just north of there. They are currently sending evacuees from Oroville north to Chico, and evacuees from south of Oroville to points south, east, and west.

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 14, 2017 anita 0

I noticed in that Mercury News article that Cast Iron wrote that FERC was involved in making the decision to downplay the risk. If I remember correctly, FERC is the same group that has downplayed/slow-walked hardening the electrical grid against an EMP.

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 14, 2017 donba 0

The state owns the dams sells water to the water to various agencies. Los Angeles Water and Power and several others. Any work needed on the dams would be charged against the price of the water. that would be raised by a tripling and charged to their customers. These companies are so bad they are being constantly sued.

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February 13, 2017 Mollypup 0
NJMike wrote:
I hope and pray the people in the affected area are all safely evacuated and that they’ll be able to stop a dam failure from washing away people’s homes and businesses. I hope none of our CA APN friends are in the threat area.

I’m monitoring this and thinking about how I’d evacuate. One vehicle, limited notice, and the possibility that anything left behind is gone forever. Do you give yourself 2 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours to pack up a vehicle?

I’m hoping the same thing. Also that no one gets hurt during the evacuation process.

As per evacuating on limited notice with a possibility everything is gone forever……… Grab important documents (birth certificates, deeds ect), several changes of clothing (essentials, it’s not a fashion show), & food and water because everyone else is also evacuating & you’re going to be in that vehicle quite a while. Make sure to have any necessary meds. If you have time blankets & pillows. I’ve had to do it……not fun. But managed in under 15 minutes.

California is guilty of the same thing every other state is guilty of…….I wonder just how many dams & spillways across the country are in bad repair & would react similarly. Most likely an awful lot of them, especially if it has been some time since the last flooding.

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February 13, 2017 NJMike 0

I hope and pray the people in the affected area are all safely evacuated and that they’ll be able to stop a dam failure from washing away people’s homes and businesses. I hope none of our CA APN friends are in the threat area.

I’m monitoring this and thinking about how I’d evacuate. One vehicle, limited notice, and the possibility that anything left behind is gone forever. Do you give yourself 2 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours to pack up a vehicle?

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 13, 2017 rickdun 0

Good article CI, looks like the state built and state owned ignored the request/concerns back in 2005 because it was too expensive for california to pay for the upgrades. I hope DJT ignores a request for funding, let the libs pay for it.

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 13, 2017 daaswampman 0

It will be interesting to hear the whole story. After all it is California and they go nuts over endangered minnows or birds nobody has seen in fifty years!

I think the area in question is mostly of earthen construction and has experienced years of extreme drought. What happens when a dried out foundation is suddenly saturated??? Will these mysteries ever end??? Swamp

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Natural Disasters • Re: CA: Oroville dam collapse feared

February 13, 2017 Blondie 0

News reports have the auxiliary spillway collapsing and fearing the dam is next to go.

There is also a report that Gov. Jerry Brown has put in a call to DJT. It’s unknown if DJT’s voicemail picked up. Karma in all it’s glory.

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February 13, 2017 North County Guy 0
Blondie wrote:

North County Guy wrote:Have had seven years of a drought. Why are there ANY problems with our reservoirs in CA? Levels were down, ALL repairs could have and should have been done. I saw on the news Friday that they were trying to clear that back up spillways, they were filled with trees and bushes.
Who do we hold accountable for this?
Oh yea we are in CA, NO ONE!

They’re saying it’s the spillway and not the dam itself. See Katrina 2005 for Official Canned Responses.

This is gonna make Katrina look like a kiddie wading pool if it all goes.

Unless I am mistaken on the dams, first they had issues with the spillway gates being able to open. Then the spillway itself was crumbling. They were trying to clean out the emergency back up spillway that had filled with dirt, shrubs and trees over the years.
The dam is doing just as it should.

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February 13, 2017 Fullmoon 0

Last summer Lake Oroville was empty and now its overflowing, too much water too fast from the winter storms. I drove over the Feather River Bridge (last year) connecting Yuba City with Marysville and you could see the bottom bedrock of the river. For now it has stopped raining but there are record amounts of snowfall that will melt off and run down into the lake from the Sierra’s. Real bad situation. This is the second largest reservoir in the state.

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February 13, 2017 Blondie 0
North County Guy wrote:
Have had seven years of a drought. Why are there ANY problems with our reservoirs in CA? Levels were down, ALL repairs could have and should have been done. I saw on the news Friday that they were trying to clear that back up spillways, they were filled with trees and bushes.
Who do we hold accountable for this?
Oh yea we are in CA, NO ONE!

They’re saying it’s the spillway and not the dam itself. See Katrina 2005 for Official Canned Responses.

This is gonna make Katrina look like a kiddie wading pool if it all goes.

Statistics: Posted by Blondie — Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:05 pm


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February 13, 2017 North County Guy 0

Have had seven years of a drought. Why are there ANY problems with our reservoirs in CA? Levels were down, ALL repairs could have and should have been done. I saw on the news Friday that they were trying to clear that back up spillways, they were filled with trees and bushes.
Who do we hold accountable for this?
Oh yea we are in CA, NO ONE!

Statistics: Posted by North County Guy — Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:28 pm


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February 13, 2017 BK in KC 0

BREAKING: Marysville, Yuba County evacuated as Oroville spillway collapse feared

Marysville, Yuba County ordered to evacuate

5:42 p.m.

Marysville police say the city and Yuba County are under mandatory evacuation orders because of the feared collapse of the emergency spillway at Lake Oroville Dam. Yolo County officials said in a tweet that they do not expect any impact.

Witnesses reported a heavy police presence in the city.

“The hazardous situation concerning the Oroville Dam auxiliary spillway is NOT expected to impact Yolo County,” the county said.

Cal OES spokesman Brad Alexander said officials were activating the state emergency operations center and could not immediately address how waterlogged Sacramento County might be affected.

“I can’t answer that right now,” Alexander said.

“It’s uncontrolled. It’s uncontrolled

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Natural Disasters • Re: Flooding: Mitigation + safety tips

February 11, 2017 theoutback 0

Very good thread Itsa!

I’ll add a little here. When hurricane Irene came through here in Vermont it devastated the state. On the face of it, it didn’t sound bad for a hurricane, only a cat 1. As it made landfall in NJ it had dropped to a tropical storm and we might of had sustained winds of 40-50 mph up here. It rained much harder than we are used to, but again, for a Hurricane/ tropical storm it wasn’t bad, maybe 7 inches. However that was enough to overflood every river, brook and stream, wiping out mountainsides and roads with massive mudslides. People and towns in the mountains were cut off for weeks with no power and resources. Several homes and barns were washed away, along with a few lost lives.

So, the take home message is to take note and be prepared for possible devastating loss in mountainous areas. Extra water, food and coms could prove invaluable.

On a positive note, our roads and bridges have been rebuilt and in better shape than ever!

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Natural Disasters • Re: 12 hour notice sun flare. what would you do?

February 10, 2017 Murby 0

There’s a lot of bad information circling the internet about EMP’s.. most of it is wrong.

EMP’s come in three flavors.. E1, E2 and E3

The E1 pulse is produced by nuclear weapons detonated in space. The pulse is short, measured in nanoseconds, but has a theoretical peak amplitude of around 50,000 volts per meter. Due to the inverse square law of wave propagation, the further out from the center of detonation you are, the smaller the amplitude. Plugged in or not, no unprotected electronics would survive within the highest amplitude radius of the center. Electronics in trash cans would not survive either but if they were packed in multiple EMP shielding layers, they’d have a chance. In the outlying areas around 1000 miles away, electronics stored in DIY EMP cans might have a chance of surviving.. It is still unlikely that your CoreI5 processor would survive but your 1990’s cb radio probably would, a dvd burner probably would, and most other electronics capable of surviving a small over-voltage too.

Want to protect that CoreI5 processor? It should be packed in multiple layers of electromagnetic shielding.. the more layers the better.

An E2 pulse is lightening. Enough said?

An E3 pulse is what we get from a CME (Coronal Mass Ejection). A CME will induce about 1 volt per meter into any conductive surface and will last for time frames measured in minutes or hours. Electronics on the ground that are not plugged into the grid will be safe.. your car will be safe, but the grid will get energized to millions of volts as that 1 volt per meter adds up fast on powerlines that stretch long distances. The grid will be toast, and it will stay that way for up to a decade in some places. An E3 pulse will ignite fires and burn homes down because it lasts so long that its capable of heating the conductors and melting insulation. The Carrington event saw charred and burned areas around the telephone poles due to this effect. Your microwave, television, battery chargers, radio’s, even your furnace controls could also ignite and burn your home down. Fire extinguishers are key here and most folks don’t have them.

Putting your valuables in a microwave is a waste of time for either EMP pulse.

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Natural Disasters • Re: IN A DISASTER PRONE ZONE? WHAT KEEPS YOU IN YOURS?

February 3, 2017 Major French 0

While no place is totally free of tornado risk save Antarctica, but there at least 5 tornado alleys in the America, and not just the notorious ‘Dixie Alley’, too. Mass relocation of tens of millions of people is not feasible. A better solution is to require communities to allow above ground tornado proof igloos in people’s back yards, too. Additionally, trailer parks should not be exempt from this requirement, too.

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Natural Disasters • Re: 12 hour notice sun flare. what would you do?

January 31, 2017 Cast Iron 0
3ADScout wrote:

Major French wrote:Would the following tactic to protect electronics? A. Unplug electronics B. put them in ziploc or plastic bags to protect from moisture, C. Put in a cellar, basement, storm bunker, safe room, or fallout shelter until the danger is announced over radio to have officially passed. Cheap analog transistor AM/FM radios could prove invaluable in this scenario, too. Why risk a $500.00 TV or a $300.00 computer when you could use a yard sale transistor radio instead?

Major French- if a Carrington level event was forecasted the last thing I would be worried about is my TV. I don’t think any of the TV broadcasters would survive. Life after a major solar flare would not allow for free time to watch TV even if you Blue ray and TV survived.

I would think time spent on Food and water would be time better spent than protecting consumer electronics. But that is just me. (I don’t watch much TV as it is)

Who needs TV?
There is nothing on worth watching.

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Natural Disasters • Re: 12 hour notice sun flare. what would you do?

January 30, 2017 3ADScout 0
Major French wrote:
Would the following tactic to protect electronics? A. Unplug electronics B. put them in ziploc or plastic bags to protect from moisture, C. Put in a cellar, basement, storm bunker, safe room, or fallout shelter until the danger is announced over radio to have officially passed. Cheap analog transistor AM/FM radios could prove invaluable in this scenario, too. Why risk a $500.00 TV or a $300.00 computer when you could use a yard sale transistor radio instead?

Major French- if a Carrington level event was forecasted the last thing I would be worried about is my TV. I don’t think any of the TV broadcasters would survive. Life after a major solar flare would not allow for free time to watch TV even if you Blue ray and TV survived.

I would think time spent on Food and water would be time better spent than protecting consumer electronics. But that is just me. (I don’t watch much TV as it is)

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January 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Major French wrote:
Would the following tactic to protect electronics? A. Unplug electronics B. put them in ziploc or plastic bags to protect from moisture, C. Put in a cellar, basement, storm bunker, safe room, or fallout shelter until the danger is announced over radio to have officially passed. Cheap analog transistor AM/FM radios could prove invaluable in this scenario, too. Why risk a $500.00 TV or a $300.00 computer when you could use a yard sale transistor radio instead?

thinking that electronics would be shielded in a cellar? …. NORAD has moved their entire operation back into Cheyenne Mountain facility – upgraded all the EMP shielding to survive the new 21st Century enhanced EMP nuke weapons that’ll be used …. buried under a rock mountain won’t get the job done by itself ….

put your transistor radio into the zip lock – maybe pad it for shock – put everything in a candy/cookie tin and it might survive ….

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Natural Disasters • Re: 12 hour notice sun flare. what would you do?

January 29, 2017 Major French 0

Would the following tactic to protect electronics? A. Unplug electronics B. put them in ziploc or plastic bags to protect from moisture, C. Put in a cellar, basement, storm bunker, safe room, or fallout shelter until the danger is announced over radio to have officially passed. Cheap analog transistor AM/FM radios could prove invaluable in this scenario, too. Why risk a $500.00 TV or a $300.00 computer when you could use a yard sale transistor radio instead?

Statistics: Posted by Major French — Sun Jan 29, 2017 2:57 am