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February 17, 2017 Dirk Williams 0

These ARE NOT state dams, their federal. BOR dept of interior owned and operated. Keep in mind these are for pumping water to SoCal, the purse strings are controlled bu water agencies in SoCal.

My sources are my uncles who are dam plant mechanics on dams in the area. Folsom, and Shasta. Both are 30 plus year employees of BOR. I’m unaware of any actual,state owned big dams, lots and lots of PG&E dams, and other power related private companies own most of the dams.

In fact their getting ready to remove three of the four dams on the Klamath River drainage. Had this already occurred, these dams and the flooding would be world class, catastrophic.

Incidently, these private dams, mine the electricity produced by the hydro electric, and have minor crews ate each, generally a maintance guy or two, and an operator, who sends power down stream, for sale.

Most often it is we the people who pay the actual dam major maintance bills. We’re screwed both ways, by paying for the power, and also for maintaining private enterprises dam costs.

A great system.

Dirk

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February 15, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
Lance wrote:
Soooo……….that river goes right through the middle of Sacramento???

:rofl:

donba wrote:
A new storm coming in this weekend, so we lift the evacuation order on 250,000 sheep. it rains as expected and 250,000 sheep have to be herded out agin. Most of those idiots will not fuel up their cars and will once agin jam up everything. Break out the pop-corn another liberal funded show………

Egg-ZACH-TALLY!!!!

2 more days of heavy rain Friday and Saturday….. Idiots.

This is going to be very :offtopic: but in a way it’s not.
There has been at least 4 different books I’ve been reading that have tied in nicely with subjects here since joining in December. Prepper fiction. Fun stuff.

I know there’s a different area to mention them but this one just has to be mentioned in this thread….California idiocy, Dams coming down, drought, People hating CA, CA threating to succeed…. Good action, a believable look into the future.(2054 I think?)…..it’s all there. Excellent read but only 2 books in the series so far…They lasted me 2 weeks of spare time reading.

If you have Kindle Unlimited they’re free downloads….. “Fractured State” is book one, “Rouge State” is book two….Very enjoyable. https://www.amazon.com/Fractured-State-Book-ebook/dp/B018IAZMYW

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February 15, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
Lance wrote:
Soooo……….that river goes right through the middle of Sacramento???

:rofl:

donba wrote:
A new storm coming in this weekend, so we lift the evacuation order on 250,000 sheep. it rains as expected and 250,000 sheep have to be herded out agin. Most of those idiots will not fuel up their cars and will once agin jam up everything. Break out the pop-corn another liberal funded show………

Egg-ZACH-TALLY!!!!

2 more days of heavy rain Friday and Saturday….. Idiots.

This is going to be very :offtopic: but in a way it’s not.
There has been at least 4 different books I’ve been reading that have tied in nicely with subjects here since joining in December. Prepper fiction. Fun stuff.

I know there’s a different area to mention them but this one just has to be mentioned in this thread….California idiocy, Dams coming down, drought, People hating CA, CA threating to succeed…. Good action, a believable look into the future.(2054 I think?)…..it’s all there. Excellent read but only 2 books in the series so far…They lasted me 2 weeks of spare time reading.

If you have Kindle Unlimited they’re free downloads….. “Fractured State” is book one, “Rouge State” is book two….Very enjoyable. https://www.amazon.com/Fractured-State-Book-ebook/dp/B018IAZMYW

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February 15, 2017 Christy 0

So you live at the bottom of millions of gallons of water and you don’t have a plan in place?

Years ago we lived within 20 miles of a nuclear plant, every year we had a “drill” put on by the county. Everyone would participate, you had your stuff ready to go, you knew where you were to go and where your kids would be, so forth and so on. They even evacuated the hospitals, long term care, schools, businesses, everything. Plus the nuclear plant shut down every year for repairs.

So why don’t they do that for those living below an ocean? And where is the prepping mindsight for those people? Leaving pets, medicines, etc. Have they never heard of a bug out bag? Did FEMA not give them a web sight to go to after Katrina? Am I the only one that has our state government tell us to be prepared for 3-7 days in case of an emergency? We just got through living off of gennie power for a week after an ice storm, no big deal.

Sounds like a prime spot for a prepping convention/fair. The prepping business people should have already done bug out bags and get over there and make you some money.

Just another reason I live in the midwest. Our water is underground, our problem is getting it up, not having it come and wash us away.

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February 15, 2017 Christy 0

So you live at the bottom of millions of gallons of water and you don’t have a plan in place?

Years ago we lived within 20 miles of a nuclear plant, every year we had a “drill” put on by the county. Everyone would participate, you had your stuff ready to go, you knew where you were to go and where your kids would be, so forth and so on. They even evacuated the hospitals, long term care, schools, businesses, everything. Plus the nuclear plant shut down every year for repairs.

So why don’t they do that for those living below an ocean? And where is the prepping mindsight for those people? Leaving pets, medicines, etc. Have they never heard of a bug out bag? Did FEMA not give them a web sight to go to after Katrina? Am I the only one that has our state government tell us to be prepared for 3-7 days in case of an emergency? We just got through living off of gennie power for a week after an ice storm, no big deal.

Sounds like a prime spot for a prepping convention/fair. The prepping business people should have already done bug out bags and get over there and make you some money.

Just another reason I live in the midwest. Our water is underground, our problem is getting it up, not having it come and wash us away.

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February 15, 2017 donba 0

A new storm coming in this weekend, so we lift the evacuation order on 250,000 sheep. it rains as expected and 250,000 sheep have to be herded out agin. Most of those idiots will not fuel up their cars and will once agin jam up everything. Break out the pop-corn another liberal funded show………

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February 15, 2017 angie_nrs 0
NJMike wrote:
I hope and pray the people in the affected area are all safely evacuated and that they’ll be able to stop a dam failure from washing away people’s homes and businesses. I hope none of our CA APN friends are in the threat area.

I’m monitoring this and thinking about how I’d evacuate. One vehicle, limited notice, and the possibility that anything left behind is gone forever. Do you give yourself 2 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours to pack up a vehicle?

I too feel bad for the folks that this will affect. It’s just so ridiculous that CA didn’t fix this problem when the perfect time presented itself…..like the past several years perhaps??? Especially since they knew this was a problem. I’ll bet that if this dam was protecting Hollywood, it would have been taken care of. Sadly I don’t think CA is the only state just waiting for infrastructure failures to happen. We’ll likely see more and more of these failures as time goes on because our wonderful leaders think it’s more important to spend our money on other stupid stuff. :crazy:

I saw a clip of folks evacuating the area. One person had a camper…..I thought there’d be more, but I only watched a very short clip. That’s what I’d do. I’d hook up the camper and pack as quickly as possible putting the lighter items in the camper and the heavier items in the truck so as not to overload the camper. The last thing you’d need is a flat tire on the road from on overloaded camper. Extra fuel, water, and generator would go in the back of the truck….like it always does when we camp. It’d be hard to decide on the fly what goes and what stays after you pack the obvious things. However, in this instance I think I would’ve been packing for a while before the evacuation order actually came down…….

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February 15, 2017 daaswampman 0
air commando wrote:

daaswampman wrote:It will be interesting to hear the whole story. After all it is California and they go nuts over endangered minnows or birds nobody has seen in fifty years!

I think the area in question is mostly of earthen construction and has experienced years of extreme drought. What happens when a dried out foundation is suddenly saturated??? Will these mysteries ever end??? Swamp

Exactly what I was thinking, it’s the same thing you see every time you have a place in desert that gets a ton of water. It can’t be absorbed into the ground quickly enough so you see mudslides and flash flooding. I don’t know if this will put them back in drought conditions if they lose all of this water but I’m sure it will.

Something to be said for nature doing what she wants.

Even without a failure, this will have a huge impact on California. Oroville Dam is an earthfill embankment dam. It is also fifty years old and built with the technology of the day!

They will be forced to lower water levels for inspections and repairs. That could be difficult until after the Spring Run Off.

But what the hell – if you were good living below a pile of gravel 770 foot high and holding an ocean, what’s a leak or two? Swamp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embankment_dam

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February 14, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
BK in KC wrote:
I pray that there is no loss of life. I know we like to make fun of California as full of hippy liberals but the truth is that California is a big state and northern CA (where this dam is) is fairly conservative. These people don’t deserve this.

Having said that, CA has wasted something like $3 billion on high-speed rail that nobody needs but couldn’t be bothered to properly maintain this dam even after repeated warnings that something like this was inevitable. Now Governor Brown wants federal disaster relief money to fix this mess that he and his cronies made. No.

Listen, I don’t want any loss of life or homes of course, BUT SCREW CA!!!!

I live here.

We have NO ONE to blame or cry too(The amount of liberal tears here are already enough to blow thru all our dams) but ourselves.
Screw Brown. Screw all of SF, LA, Sacramento, and every self proclaimed sanctuary city in the entire state!!!!….They want to flaunt federal law but come crying for federal funds at the drop of a hat. F THEM!

Decades of mismanagement is the issue here. There were years and years and years of time to fix this problem during the drought and it was noted an issue over 12 years ago…they did NOTHING!!!

This is an “Emergency of self made Chaos” buy allocating taxpayer funds in the wrong areas thru mismanagement and fleecing the taxpayer coffers with out and out thievery…..like for example the hiring of ERIC HOLDER to “Save us from Trump”…..Give me a F’ing break……….SMH.

F them.
F them.
F them.

Now ask me how I really feel….. :rofl:

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February 14, 2017 air commando 0
Cast Iron wrote:
This link has some good pics: http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/12/o … years-ago/

All of the comments are hilarious, just blaming the Dems for mismanagement of everything. I feel for the families and I hate for anyone to lose their home or their valuables but if it were me I would pack up what I like, get to a safe place and then hope the dam fails so I can move to another state and start fresh.

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February 14, 2017 air commando 0
daaswampman wrote:
It will be interesting to hear the whole story. After all it is California and they go nuts over endangered minnows or birds nobody has seen in fifty years!

I think the area in question is mostly of earthen construction and has experienced years of extreme drought. What happens when a dried out foundation is suddenly saturated??? Will these mysteries ever end??? Swamp

Exactly what I was thinking, it’s the same thing you see every time you have a place in desert that gets a ton of water. It can’t be absorbed into the ground quickly enough so you see mudslides and flash flooding. I don’t know if this will put them back in drought conditions if they lose all of this water but I’m sure it will.

Something to be said for nature doing what she wants.

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February 14, 2017 BK in KC 0

I pray that there is no loss of life. I know we like to make fun of California as full of hippy liberals but the truth is that California is a big state and northern CA (where this dam is) is fairly conservative. These people don’t deserve this.

Having said that, CA has wasted something like $3 billion on high-speed rail that nobody needs but couldn’t be bothered to properly maintain this dam even after repeated warnings that something like this was inevitable. Now Governor Brown wants federal disaster relief money to fix this mess that he and his cronies made. No.

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February 14, 2017 IceFire 0

My Dad grew up in Oroville…we used to go up there all the time to visit my Grandfather. I still remember the fighting that went on about building the dam in the first place (a LOT of people were displaced due to the dam construction and creation of the lake), then my Grandfather would take us to see the dam under construction.

My mother currently lives in Chico, just north of there. They are currently sending evacuees from Oroville north to Chico, and evacuees from south of Oroville to points south, east, and west.

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February 14, 2017 anita 0

I noticed in that Mercury News article that Cast Iron wrote that FERC was involved in making the decision to downplay the risk. If I remember correctly, FERC is the same group that has downplayed/slow-walked hardening the electrical grid against an EMP.

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February 14, 2017 donba 0

The state owns the dams sells water to the water to various agencies. Los Angeles Water and Power and several others. Any work needed on the dams would be charged against the price of the water. that would be raised by a tripling and charged to their customers. These companies are so bad they are being constantly sued.

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February 13, 2017 Mollypup 0
NJMike wrote:
I hope and pray the people in the affected area are all safely evacuated and that they’ll be able to stop a dam failure from washing away people’s homes and businesses. I hope none of our CA APN friends are in the threat area.

I’m monitoring this and thinking about how I’d evacuate. One vehicle, limited notice, and the possibility that anything left behind is gone forever. Do you give yourself 2 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours to pack up a vehicle?

I’m hoping the same thing. Also that no one gets hurt during the evacuation process.

As per evacuating on limited notice with a possibility everything is gone forever……… Grab important documents (birth certificates, deeds ect), several changes of clothing (essentials, it’s not a fashion show), & food and water because everyone else is also evacuating & you’re going to be in that vehicle quite a while. Make sure to have any necessary meds. If you have time blankets & pillows. I’ve had to do it……not fun. But managed in under 15 minutes.

California is guilty of the same thing every other state is guilty of…….I wonder just how many dams & spillways across the country are in bad repair & would react similarly. Most likely an awful lot of them, especially if it has been some time since the last flooding.

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February 13, 2017 NJMike 0

I hope and pray the people in the affected area are all safely evacuated and that they’ll be able to stop a dam failure from washing away people’s homes and businesses. I hope none of our CA APN friends are in the threat area.

I’m monitoring this and thinking about how I’d evacuate. One vehicle, limited notice, and the possibility that anything left behind is gone forever. Do you give yourself 2 minutes, 20 minutes, 2 hours to pack up a vehicle?

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February 13, 2017 rickdun 0

Good article CI, looks like the state built and state owned ignored the request/concerns back in 2005 because it was too expensive for california to pay for the upgrades. I hope DJT ignores a request for funding, let the libs pay for it.

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February 13, 2017 daaswampman 0

It will be interesting to hear the whole story. After all it is California and they go nuts over endangered minnows or birds nobody has seen in fifty years!

I think the area in question is mostly of earthen construction and has experienced years of extreme drought. What happens when a dried out foundation is suddenly saturated??? Will these mysteries ever end??? Swamp

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February 13, 2017 Blondie 0

News reports have the auxiliary spillway collapsing and fearing the dam is next to go.

There is also a report that Gov. Jerry Brown has put in a call to DJT. It’s unknown if DJT’s voicemail picked up. Karma in all it’s glory.

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February 13, 2017 North County Guy 0
Blondie wrote:

North County Guy wrote:Have had seven years of a drought. Why are there ANY problems with our reservoirs in CA? Levels were down, ALL repairs could have and should have been done. I saw on the news Friday that they were trying to clear that back up spillways, they were filled with trees and bushes.
Who do we hold accountable for this?
Oh yea we are in CA, NO ONE!

They’re saying it’s the spillway and not the dam itself. See Katrina 2005 for Official Canned Responses.

This is gonna make Katrina look like a kiddie wading pool if it all goes.

Unless I am mistaken on the dams, first they had issues with the spillway gates being able to open. Then the spillway itself was crumbling. They were trying to clean out the emergency back up spillway that had filled with dirt, shrubs and trees over the years.
The dam is doing just as it should.

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February 13, 2017 Fullmoon 0

Last summer Lake Oroville was empty and now its overflowing, too much water too fast from the winter storms. I drove over the Feather River Bridge (last year) connecting Yuba City with Marysville and you could see the bottom bedrock of the river. For now it has stopped raining but there are record amounts of snowfall that will melt off and run down into the lake from the Sierra’s. Real bad situation. This is the second largest reservoir in the state.

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February 13, 2017 Blondie 0
North County Guy wrote:
Have had seven years of a drought. Why are there ANY problems with our reservoirs in CA? Levels were down, ALL repairs could have and should have been done. I saw on the news Friday that they were trying to clear that back up spillways, they were filled with trees and bushes.
Who do we hold accountable for this?
Oh yea we are in CA, NO ONE!

They’re saying it’s the spillway and not the dam itself. See Katrina 2005 for Official Canned Responses.

This is gonna make Katrina look like a kiddie wading pool if it all goes.

Statistics: Posted by Blondie — Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:05 pm


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February 13, 2017 North County Guy 0

Have had seven years of a drought. Why are there ANY problems with our reservoirs in CA? Levels were down, ALL repairs could have and should have been done. I saw on the news Friday that they were trying to clear that back up spillways, they were filled with trees and bushes.
Who do we hold accountable for this?
Oh yea we are in CA, NO ONE!

Statistics: Posted by North County Guy — Sun Feb 12, 2017 10:28 pm


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February 13, 2017 BK in KC 0

BREAKING: Marysville, Yuba County evacuated as Oroville spillway collapse feared

Marysville, Yuba County ordered to evacuate

5:42 p.m.

Marysville police say the city and Yuba County are under mandatory evacuation orders because of the feared collapse of the emergency spillway at Lake Oroville Dam. Yolo County officials said in a tweet that they do not expect any impact.

Witnesses reported a heavy police presence in the city.

“The hazardous situation concerning the Oroville Dam auxiliary spillway is NOT expected to impact Yolo County,” the county said.

Cal OES spokesman Brad Alexander said officials were activating the state emergency operations center and could not immediately address how waterlogged Sacramento County might be affected.

“I can’t answer that right now,” Alexander said.

“It’s uncontrolled. It’s uncontrolled

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February 11, 2017 theoutback 0

Very good thread Itsa!

I’ll add a little here. When hurricane Irene came through here in Vermont it devastated the state. On the face of it, it didn’t sound bad for a hurricane, only a cat 1. As it made landfall in NJ it had dropped to a tropical storm and we might of had sustained winds of 40-50 mph up here. It rained much harder than we are used to, but again, for a Hurricane/ tropical storm it wasn’t bad, maybe 7 inches. However that was enough to overflood every river, brook and stream, wiping out mountainsides and roads with massive mudslides. People and towns in the mountains were cut off for weeks with no power and resources. Several homes and barns were washed away, along with a few lost lives.

So, the take home message is to take note and be prepared for possible devastating loss in mountainous areas. Extra water, food and coms could prove invaluable.

On a positive note, our roads and bridges have been rebuilt and in better shape than ever!

Statistics: Posted by theoutback — Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:44 am