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August 23, 2017 pilgrimtr 0
rickyticky wrote:
This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

Swamp all that you wrote is true but the question was how do you treat shock when there are no hospitals or when they are over filled. I was addressing the question that rickyticky asked. if you have a person in anaphylactic shock. unless you have 1:1000 epinephrine to administer all the basic shock treatment will do no good. if they are in cardiogenic shock unless you have the correct meds and can determine what arrhythmia they are in you cannot correct the problem. if they are in septic shock due to and infection. and you do not have the antibiotics again you can not correct the problem. if it is a hypovolemic problem due to internal bleeding unless you can perform surgery. again the basic are no good. the treatments that you have quoted are for treatable shock from external bleeding or shock that can be rectified by environmental correction. in a SHTF scenario when you can’t dill 911 as I said in my first post if you don’t have the advanced life support skills and the equipment and knowledge to administer them the basic shock treatment will not cure the patient. pilgrim

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August 23, 2017 pilgrimtr 0
rickyticky wrote:
This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

Swamp all that you wrote is true but the question was how do you treat shock when there are no hospitals or when they are over filled. I was addressing the question that rickyticky asked. if you have a person in anaphylactic shock. unless you have 1:1000 epinephrine to administer all the basic shock treatment will do no good. if they are in cardiogenic shock unless you have the correct meds and can determine what arrhythmia they are in you cannot correct the problem. if they are in septic shock due to and infection. and you do not have the antibiotics again you can not correct the problem. if it is a hypovolemic problem due to internal bleeding unless you can perform surgery. again the basic are no good. the treatments that you have quoted are for treatable shock from external bleeding or shock that can be rectified by environmental correction. in a SHTF scenario when you can’t dill 911 as I said in my first post if you don’t have the advanced life support skills and the equipment and knowledge to administer them the basic shock treatment will not cure the patient. pilgrim

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August 20, 2017 daaswampman 0

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Shock

Shock is a life-threatening condition that occurs when the body is not getting enough blood flow. Lack of blood flow means that the cells and organs do not get enough oxygen and nutrients to function properly. Many organs can be damaged as a result. Shock requires immediate treatment and can get worse very rapidly. As many 1 in 5 people who suffer shock will die from it.

Considerations
The main types of shock include:

Cardiogenic shock (due to heart problems)
Hypovolemic shock (caused by too little blood volume)
Anaphylactic shock (caused by allergic reaction)
Septic shock (due to infections)
Neurogenic shock (caused by damage to the nervous system)

Causes
Shock can be caused by any condition that reduces blood flow, including:

Heart problems (such as heart attack or heart failure)
Low blood volume (as with heavy bleeding or dehydration)
Changes in blood vessels (as with infection or severe allergic reactions)
Certain medicines that significantly reduce heart function or blood pressure
Shock is often associated with heavy external or internal bleeding from a serious injury. Spinal injuries can also cause shock.

Toxic shock syndrome is an example of a type of shock from an infection.

Symptoms
A person in shock has extremely low blood pressure. Depending on the specific cause and type of shock, symptoms will include one or more of the following:

Anxiety or agitation/restlessness
Bluish lips and fingernails
Chest pain
Confusion
Dizziness, lightheadedness, or faintness
Pale, cool, clammy skin
Low or no urine output
Profuse sweating, moist skin
Rapid but weak pulse
Shallow breathing
Unconsciousness
First Aid
Take the following steps if you think a person is in shock:

Call 911 for immediate medical help.
Check the person’s airway, breathing, and circulation. If necessary, begin rescue breathing and CPR.
Even if the person is able to breathe on their own, continue to check rate of breathing at least every 5 minutes until help arrives.
If the person is conscious and does NOT have an injury to the head, leg, neck, or spine, place the person in the shock position. Lay the person on the back and elevate the legs about 12 inches (30 centimeters). Do NOT elevate the head. If raising the legs will cause pain or potential harm, leave the person lying flat.
Give appropriate first aid for any wounds, injuries, or illnesses.
Keep the person warm and comfortable. Loosen tight clothing.
IF THE PERSON VOMITS OR DROOLS

Turn the head to one side to prevent choking. Do this as long as you do not suspect an injury to the spine.
If a spinal injury is suspected, “log roll” the person instead. To do this, keep the person’s head, neck, and back in line, and roll the body and head as a unit.
DO NOT
In case of shock:

Do NOT give the person anything by mouth, including anything to eat or drink.
Do NOT move the person with a known or suspected spinal injury.
Do NOT wait for milder shock symptoms to worsen before calling for emergency medical help.
When to Contact a Medical Professional
Call 911 any time a person has symptoms of shock. Stay with the person and follow the first aid steps until medical help arrives.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000039.htm

Primum non nocere is a Latin phrase that means “first, do no harm.”

Know what your doing or find someone who does! Only on TV does “Good Intentions” get rewarded! Swamp

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August 20, 2017 pilgrimtr 0

rickyticky,
it’s been quite a while since paramedic school but I believe there are seven types of shock. some are treated with volume replacement, hemorrhagic shock, bleeding. some with medication epinephrine. anaphylactic shock. insect stings allergy’s. the best thing you can do is education. learn the types of shock and how to treat them. some you will not be able to treat unless you have the ability to administer an IV intravenous solution to replenish the volume. if not an IV, the only other thing you can do in a bleeding situation is, stop the bleeding, raise the lower extremity’s. and keep them warm. in this situation you may not be able to give them liquids by mouth because of nausea. and if they throw up the patient may aspirate the fluid into there lungs. So you see there is no easy answer to your question. educate your self. and still, if you don’t have the equipment, all the knowledge will only tell you why the died.. good luck and God bless pilgrim

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August 20, 2017 pilgrimtr 0

rickyticky,
it’s been quite a while since paramedic school but I believe there are seven types of shock. some are treated with volume replacement, hemorrhagic shock, bleeding. some with medication epinephrine. anaphylactic shock. insect stings allergy’s. the best thing you can do is education. learn the types of shock and how to treat them. some you will not be able to treat unless you have the ability to administer an IV intravenous solution to replenish the volume. if not an IV, the only other thing you can do in a bleeding situation is, stop the bleeding, raise the lower extremity’s. and keep them warm. in this situation you may not be able to give them liquids by mouth because of nausea. and if they throw up the patient may aspirate the fluid into there lungs. So you see there is no easy answer to your question. educate your self. and still, if you don’t have the equipment, all the knowledge will only tell you why the died.. good luck and God bless pilgrim

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August 17, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

One big thing he gave up was “leaded” Mountain Dew. He drinks a diet Dew a few times a week now. Otherwise he drinks water or I make some cold brewed tea with a little honey.
People don’t realize how many calories they’re drinking from sugar.
We have cut out rice, pasta and potatoes.
Even though he only lost 16 pounds, it seemed to really make a difference.

Mrs FP

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August 17, 2017 whitebear54 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Hubs did some research on the cinnamon and thinks he might give it a try.

Blood work results after eating low(er) carb, losing 16 pounds and taking ACV each night for 3 months:

A1C – from 7.8 to 6.4
Glucose -from 180’s to 111

He did notice more tummy trouble when he forgot to pack his vinegar last week in combination with eating out off his normal diet at home.
We will continue on our plan and see if it goes down again in 3 months.

Mrs FP

Woo Hoo! That is terrific. I’ll keep trying it and see what happens to my A1C.

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August 16, 2017 watcher 0

Get a wilderness first aid book. Also take an American Red Cross First Aid class or three. For more advanced treatments download the book “Where There Is No Doctor” at hesperian.com.

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August 16, 2017 watcher 0

Get a wilderness first aid book. Also take an American Red Cross First Aid class or three. For more advanced treatments download the book “Where There Is No Doctor” at hesperian.com.

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August 16, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

Hubs did some research on the cinnamon and thinks he might give it a try.

Blood work results after eating low(er) carb, losing 16 pounds and taking ACV each night for 3 months:

A1C – from 7.8 to 6.4
Glucose -from 180’s to 111

He did notice more tummy trouble when he forgot to pack his vinegar last week in combination with eating out off his normal diet at home.
We will continue on our plan and see if it goes down again in 3 months.

Mrs FP

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August 16, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

Hubs did some research on the cinnamon and thinks he might give it a try.

Blood work results after eating low(er) carb, losing 16 pounds and taking ACV each night for 3 months:

A1C – from 7.8 to 6.4
Glucose -from 180’s to 111

He did notice more tummy trouble when he forgot to pack his vinegar last week in combination with eating out off his normal diet at home.
We will continue on our plan and see if it goes down again in 3 months.

Mrs FP

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August 16, 2017 rickyticky 0

This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

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August 16, 2017 rickyticky 0

This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

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August 16, 2017 rickyticky 0

This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

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August 15, 2017 angie_nrs 0
anita wrote:
I don’t think that turmeric is ineffective without black pepper, just less effective (at least that’s a theory).

I don’t take much health info from Rachel Ray, as her cooking is about the antithesis of healthy. 🙂

You may be correct. I know absolutely nothing about it. It was actually RR’s guest that made the statement. I don’t know anything about RR, except that I don’t really like her much and I have absolutely no idea why. :evil: She is just one of those people that rub me the wrong way….like she’s always acting fake or something. I lose absolutely no sleep over it and would never watch the show.

Although, back to the ACV tabs…..for myself, I take it when my gut doesn’t feel quite right and it seems to help get me feeling better quicker.

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August 15, 2017 angie_nrs 0
anita wrote:
I don’t think that turmeric is ineffective without black pepper, just less effective (at least that’s a theory).

I don’t take much health info from Rachel Ray, as her cooking is about the antithesis of healthy. 🙂

You may be correct. I know absolutely nothing about it. It was actually RR’s guest that made the statement. I don’t know anything about RR, except that I don’t really like her much and I have absolutely no idea why. :evil: She is just one of those people that rub me the wrong way….like she’s always acting fake or something. I lose absolutely no sleep over it and would never watch the show.

Although, back to the ACV tabs…..for myself, I take it when my gut doesn’t feel quite right and it seems to help get me feeling better quicker.

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August 15, 2017 anita 0

I don’t think that turmeric is ineffective without black pepper, just less effective (at least that’s a theory).

I don’t take much health info from Rachel Ray, as her cooking is about the antithesis of healthy. 🙂

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August 15, 2017 anita 0

I don’t think that turmeric is ineffective without black pepper, just less effective (at least that’s a theory).

I don’t take much health info from Rachel Ray, as her cooking is about the antithesis of healthy. 🙂

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August 13, 2017 angie_nrs 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
He does take turmeric, but he’s been taking that for about 3 years. It was recommended by a fellow prepper with diabetes. I’ll have to read up on the cinnamon. We have a lot stocked for all our oats.

Mrs FP

I heard on Rachael Ray last week that turmeric is only effective if taken along with pepper (black pepper I think). I have no idea whether or not that’s true. I do not watch RR or any other talk shows as they typically just drive me batty…..but I just saw this blip as I was walking by and the TV was left on. It was promptly turned off as I passed by. I don’t take turmeric so I was not interested, but this thread made me think of it. Just thought this might be helpful to you.

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August 13, 2017 angie_nrs 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
He does take turmeric, but he’s been taking that for about 3 years. It was recommended by a fellow prepper with diabetes. I’ll have to read up on the cinnamon. We have a lot stocked for all our oats.

Mrs FP

I heard on Rachael Ray last week that turmeric is only effective if taken along with pepper (black pepper I think). I have no idea whether or not that’s true. I do not watch RR or any other talk shows as they typically just drive me batty…..but I just saw this blip as I was walking by and the TV was left on. It was promptly turned off as I passed by. I don’t take turmeric so I was not interested, but this thread made me think of it. Just thought this might be helpful to you.

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August 12, 2017 anita 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Hubs has been taking a shot of Braggs ACV with a little water every evening. I think he read to do it at night and it doesn’t make him get up in the night. His blood work is Monday. His doctor gave him 3 months to get his A1C down or he would have to get on meds. We are trying to avoid the meds with low carb diet, weight loss and ACV.
Fingers crossed that he’s made a difference.
Mrs FP

You might try having him take cinnamon as well. Good for reducing blood sugar.

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August 12, 2017 anita 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Hubs has been taking a shot of Braggs ACV with a little water every evening. I think he read to do it at night and it doesn’t make him get up in the night. His blood work is Monday. His doctor gave him 3 months to get his A1C down or he would have to get on meds. We are trying to avoid the meds with low carb diet, weight loss and ACV.
Fingers crossed that he’s made a difference.
Mrs FP

You might try having him take cinnamon as well. Good for reducing blood sugar.

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August 12, 2017 whitebear54 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Hubs has been taking a shot of Braggs ACV with a little water every evening. I think he read to do it at night and it doesn’t make him get up in the night. His blood work is Monday. His doctor gave him 3 months to get his A1C down or he would have to get on meds. We are trying to avoid the meds with low carb diet, weight loss and ACV.
Fingers crossed that he’s made a difference.
Mrs FP

Good luck, and please let us know how it turns out.

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August 12, 2017 whitebear54 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Hubs has been taking a shot of Braggs ACV with a little water every evening. I think he read to do it at night and it doesn’t make him get up in the night. His blood work is Monday. His doctor gave him 3 months to get his A1C down or he would have to get on meds. We are trying to avoid the meds with low carb diet, weight loss and ACV.
Fingers crossed that he’s made a difference.
Mrs FP

Good luck, and please let us know how it turns out.

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August 12, 2017 whitebear54 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Hubs has been taking a shot of Braggs ACV with a little water every evening. I think he read to do it at night and it doesn’t make him get up in the night. His blood work is Monday. His doctor gave him 3 months to get his A1C down or he would have to get on meds. We are trying to avoid the meds with low carb diet, weight loss and ACV.
Fingers crossed that he’s made a difference.
Mrs FP

Good luck, and please let us know how it turns out.

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August 12, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

Hubs has been taking a shot of Braggs ACV with a little water every evening. I think he read to do it at night and it doesn’t make him get up in the night. His blood work is Monday. His doctor gave him 3 months to get his A1C down or he would have to get on meds. We are trying to avoid the meds with low carb diet, weight loss and ACV.
Fingers crossed that he’s made a difference.
Mrs FP

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August 12, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

Hubs has been taking a shot of Braggs ACV with a little water every evening. I think he read to do it at night and it doesn’t make him get up in the night. His blood work is Monday. His doctor gave him 3 months to get his A1C down or he would have to get on meds. We are trying to avoid the meds with low carb diet, weight loss and ACV.
Fingers crossed that he’s made a difference.
Mrs FP

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August 11, 2017 anita 0

I often make AC Vinegar tea. Heat a mug of water, add a tbs. or two (start with less, build to more), a little honey, and top with a shake of cinnamon. It is an acquired taste, but not bad.

DON’T take before bed, or you will be going to the bathroom all night long. It took a while to make the connection. 🙂

I also use Mrs. Braggs.

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August 11, 2017 anita 0

I often make AC Vinegar tea. Heat a mug of water, add a tbs. or two (start with less, build to more), a little honey, and top with a shake of cinnamon. It is an acquired taste, but not bad.

DON’T take before bed, or you will be going to the bathroom all night long. It took a while to make the connection. 🙂

I also use Mrs. Braggs.

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August 11, 2017 arkieready 0

I can’t speak to diebetes or weight loss, but ACV is the best thing I’ve found for heart burn. A slug in water. And when I had a morning drink everyday of ACV and honey in warm/hot water, I had much less tummy trouble. I use mrs Bragg’s raw ACV and raw, local honey. It kinda tastes like tangy cider. Thanks for the reminder–I need to start back on that.

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August 11, 2017 arkieready 0

I can’t speak to diebetes or weight loss, but ACV is the best thing I’ve found for heart burn. A slug in water. And when I had a morning drink everyday of ACV and honey in warm/hot water, I had much less tummy trouble. I use mrs Bragg’s raw ACV and raw, local honey. It kinda tastes like tangy cider. Thanks for the reminder–I need to start back on that.

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August 11, 2017 arkieready 0

I can’t speak to diebetes or weight loss, but ACV is the best thing I’ve found for heart burn. A slug in water. And when I had a morning drink everyday of ACV and honey in warm/hot water, I had much less tummy trouble. I use mrs Bragg’s raw ACV and raw, local honey. It kinda tastes like tangy cider. Thanks for the reminder–I need to start back on that.

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August 10, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I’ve taken ACV tablets in the past to keep mosquitos from biting. I’m not very consistent with taking pills so I’m not sure how well that really works. I do have ACV tabs in my med pantry though.

However, for weight loss and to lower your A1C, you might want to consider intermittent fasting. I have been doing this (5:2 method) for the last month and have been having some great results (noticeable reduction in belly fat) and it’s really not as difficult as I thought it would be. Do your own research. There’s lots of books on Amazon about it with lots of interesting comments by folks who have done it. Just a thought if you want to get off meds and lose weight…..

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August 10, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I’ve taken ACV tablets in the past to keep mosquitos from biting. I’m not very consistent with taking pills so I’m not sure how well that really works. I do have ACV tabs in my med pantry though.

However, for weight loss and to lower your A1C, you might want to consider intermittent fasting. I have been doing this (5:2 method) for the last month and have been having some great results (noticeable reduction in belly fat) and it’s really not as difficult as I thought it would be. Do your own research. There’s lots of books on Amazon about it with lots of interesting comments by folks who have done it. Just a thought if you want to get off meds and lose weight…..

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August 10, 2017 whitebear54 0
Fullmoon wrote:
Anytime you can wean yourself off the meds its to your advantage to do it. I take a shot glass of apple cider vinegar mixed with the juice of one lemon, topped off with ice cold water, a 12 ounce glass of this every day will eliminate gout pain in the foot. I don’t know if my glucose levels have changed from drinking this but wild swings in the numbers no longer happen. They seem to have stabilized. Most big pharma meds have side effects like “unexplained rapid weight gain” so it defies logic to take these meds as they benefit big pharma and not the patient. Weight gain just causes more problems like high blood pressure so they can sell you more meds which in turn cause more side effects and its a never ending cycle to sell more pills.

Thank you. I agree about the side effects. Seems like once I got started on the meds I could not lose weight. Also as time has gone on I need more and more meds to keep the A1C under control. It’s expensive and it stinks to have to carry a pharmacy with me any time I travel. I’ll try the shot glass Idea and forward it to a friend who suffers from gout.

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