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September 18, 2017 NJMike 0

My tablets are the IOSAT as well.

Since you mentioned tablets issued to residents, something else I can add anecdotally. I know of at least one NJ shore town near a reactor where the schools have the Potassium Iodide. At the start of the school year, the parents have to fill out a permission slip for the school to dispense this to the students.

Tablets are not provided to the parents or issued to residents otherwise. It is an assumption that the school actually has the tablets stored. It’s also possible that they are getting permission in advance of a lock down scenario and would instead get supplied by first responders.

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September 18, 2017 NJMike 0

My tablets are the IOSAT as well.

Since you mentioned tablets issued to residents, something else I can add anecdotally. I know of at least one NJ shore town near a reactor where the schools have the Potassium Iodide. At the start of the school year, the parents have to fill out a permission slip for the school to dispense this to the students.

Tablets are not provided to the parents or issued to residents otherwise. It is an assumption that the school actually has the tablets stored. It’s also possible that they are getting permission in advance of a lock down scenario and would instead get supplied by first responders.

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September 18, 2017 NJMike 0

My tablets are the IOSAT as well.

Since you mentioned tablets issued to residents, something else I can add anecdotally. I know of at least one NJ shore town near a reactor where the schools have the Potassium Iodide. At the start of the school year, the parents have to fill out a permission slip for the school to dispense this to the students.

Tablets are not provided to the parents or issued to residents otherwise. It is an assumption that the school actually has the tablets stored. It’s also possible that they are getting permission in advance of a lock down scenario and would instead get supplied by first responders.

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September 16, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0

We had a leak here in 2012 and the reactor was decommissioned…. They were alerting the public back then(It was thru the media but residents in a 10 mile range were all contacted personally on what to watch out for and how they would be notified….Think that was thru reverse-911 if I remember correctly)

Now, Edison is responsible for notification within 30 min to both counties here(Orange and San Diego) if any issues arise with the dry storage for the waste onsite of the decommissioned reactor. Tablets were issued directly to residents.
Vague story here…http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/watchdog/

Instructions here….http://san-clemente.org/home/showdocument?id=1860

I have IOSAT for my family(And a few random lucky winners of my choosing should anything ever occur ;) Could you imagine the panic/riots at the public distribution points?)….You should already be fully aware how to prep a solution for small children in advance if you have any.

Here’s the Q&A from the NRC…(Men in black…lol)….https://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/emerg-preparedness/about-emerg-preparedness/potassium-iodide/ki-faq.html

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September 16, 2017 mkcr5921 0

:wave: Interesting and thoughtful comments from everyone. Thank you. I searched long for more info on this and still can’t find any info about public information dissemination. I even went so far as to call the Dept of health and they had no clue…our tax dollars at work! We are really on our own if and when the stuff hits the fan.

Our island has the Pacific Missile Range Facility where the Aegis Ashore system is used for testing our capability to knock out incoming missiles but it isn’t currently set up to actively take out targets. I don’t know if we would ever be a direct target, but it is reassuring to know that Aegis could be made ready fairly quickly, or so we’ve been told. There’s a lot of activity at the base right now-all very secret. I hope they are doing something to protect us.

We are busily growing food, storing and canning food and setting up a water catch system just in case our food supply is cut off because, you know, no sea containers-no food-no nothing coming in. With the little fat dude rattling sabres all the time it makes me very nervous. Now I kind of understand how my parents must have felt during the Cuban missile crisis.

According to a government website I visited there are only a couple bands of potassium iodide tablets that they fully endorse. One of them is called Iostat, manufactured by Anbex, and it’s available on Amazon. Not terribly expensive. Regardless of the cost, to me, it is just cheap insurance.

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September 16, 2017 Drakenstead1 0

Interesting post and responses. This is a subject that could bear a lot more discussion and a lot more information on this forum. Knowledge is likely to be a real life saver as nuke plants are all over the place. Most frightening is the fact that they are all run under US Government supervision & management. If that does not scare you then I submit that you are not paying attention.

That being said as I live an approximate 20 miles from a nuclear power plant I have researched it fairly well. The first thing I noticed is that this plant is located on an Indian Reservation. Historically Native People have been considered at best expendable and at worst a “throw away” embarrassment. They are supposed to be extinct which to many is unsettling. Personally I enjoy seeing government operatives uncomfortable almost as much as I love to see “social justice” types exposed for the bigots that they are. Long live the tribes. May they be a thorn in the side of the smugs forever!!!!

If I lived within a 10 mile radius of this plant I would be on a list for notification and would be issued items that might aid in survivability. Among them would be a supply of potassium iodide. We would also be on an evacuation list and would be aided in a “bugout” situation. Since I live out side the radius it falls on me to make my own plans & set aside a supply of necessary items. Even though we all know that radiation would NEVER cross a line on a map set by government functionaries being afraid of their awesome and god like power we still think it prudent to prepare, formulate our contingency plans and cultivate our own sources of information.

We have friends who monitor the situation for which we are thankful. Our forethought was shown to be useful a couple of years ago when we saw a notice in a local news source that informed us that the plant experienced a radiation leak that had been locked down and from which the public was “never in any danger”. By the by the leak announced had taken place a month earlier. It was a comfort to know that we were “never in any danger” but we knew a few minutes after the leak and implemented our plans for our own safety. When I was 10 years old my Dad gave me the gift of direction. “Never Never trust anything the government tells you. They lie just for practice. If they tell you the sun is shining stick your head out the window and see for your self”. I’ve lived by this advice for 60 some years and would submit that it’s one of the best bits of advice I ever got.

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September 16, 2017 Drakenstead1 0

Interesting post and responses. This is a subject that could bear a lot more discussion and a lot more information on this forum. Knowledge is likely to be a real life saver as nuke plants are all over the place. Most frightening is the fact that they are all run under US Government supervision & management. If that does not scare you then I submit that you are not paying attention.

That being said as I live an approximate 20 miles from a nuclear power plant I have researched it fairly well. The first thing I noticed is that this plant is located on an Indian Reservation. Historically Native People have been considered at best expendable and at worst a “throw away” embarrassment. They are supposed to be extinct which to many is unsettling. Personally I enjoy seeing government operatives uncomfortable almost as much as I love to see “social justice” types exposed for the bigots that they are. Long live the tribes. May they be a thorn in the side of the smugs forever!!!!

If I lived within a 10 mile radius of this plant I would be on a list for notification and would be issued items that might aid in survivability. Among them would be a supply of potassium iodide. We would also be on an evacuation list and would be aided in a “bugout” situation. Since I live out side the radius it falls on me to make my own plans & set aside a supply of necessary items. Even though we all know that radiation would NEVER cross a line on a map set by government functionaries being afraid of their awesome and god like power we still think it prudent to prepare, formulate our contingency plans and cultivate our own sources of information.

We have friends who monitor the situation for which we are thankful. Our forethought was shown to be useful a couple of years ago when we saw a notice in a local news source that informed us that the plant experienced a radiation leak that had been locked down and from which the public was “never in any danger”. By the by the leak announced had taken place a month earlier. It was a comfort to know that we were “never in any danger” but we knew a few minutes after the leak and implemented our plans for our own safety. When I was 10 years old my Dad gave me the gift of direction. “Never Never trust anything the government tells you. They lie just for practice. If they tell you the sun is shining stick your head out the window and see for your self”. I’ve lived by this advice for 60 some years and would submit that it’s one of the best bits of advice I ever got.

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September 15, 2017 Fullmoon 0

Get familiar with seasonal wind patterns in your area. If you are down wind of any major cities or military bases that may be a target it might be wise to have a plan to bug out of the radiation zone as wind will carry radiation many miles. Most average people don’t have a fallout shelter or enough food and water stockpiled to remain in place until radiation particles become non lethal. I agree that you will hear nothing from any health dept officials so you must use your own common sense to decide when to pop that potassium.

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September 15, 2017 NJMike 0

My non-expert opinion on when to begin popping KI and there’s no announcement specific to KI:

1. If you live within 50 miles of a nuclear facility incident and they tell you to evacuate and you can’t.

2. Grid down, within 50 miles or downwind of nuclear plant, after X days.

For both scenarios a Geiger counter, dosimeter, or exposure rad stickers might be something you want to explore; with any radiation uptick a trigger to begin the KI.

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September 15, 2017 daaswampman 0

It is a Catch-22. There will not be any official announcements. Imagine the panic such an announcement would cause! No government official would cause a riot right now, to prevent some cancer deaths in the distant future. Educate yourself and know when to take action. Swamp

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September 15, 2017 mkcr5921 0

My family all has their own 10 day supply of Potassium Iodide tablets which, if taken at the proper time, may prevent thyroid cancer in the event of a nuclear attack.

My question is, how does the State’s Public Health Dept notify citizens of when to take the tablet? I can’t find any information about this on the web. Would it be by radio announcement? How are other states prepared for giving out this information? Instructions on the box say to not take them until notified by public health officials.

Thanks for any info you may have on this.

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September 2, 2017 arkieready 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
One big thing he gave up was “leaded” Mountain Dew. He drinks a diet Dew a few times a week now. Otherwise he drinks water or I make some cold brewed tea with a little honey.
People don’t realize how many calories they’re drinking from sugar.
We have cut out rice, pasta and potatoes.
Even though he only lost 16 pounds, it seemed to really make a difference.

Mrs FP

Sugar isn’t the only harmful thing in pop. The phosphoric acid used is dangerously high, at the consumption levels some people drink. Osteoporosis, tooth decay, heart and kidney problems.

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September 2, 2017 arkieready 0

Vinegar is also good to extract the essence of herbals instead of alcohol. Maybe some are better with vinegar or alcohol, I can’t think of any right now. Ask an expert!
Right now I am make my second batch of “fire cider”. ACV (Bragg’s) It’s a knock off of a commercial product, containing in part: ginger, hot peppers, horse radish, garlic, cinnamon, (turmeric when I get some fresh). Makes an immune boosting, tastebuds shocking shooter cut 50/50 with raw local honey. Easier to drink in a little warm water. Smells like a science experiment, but tastes better than it smells.
My plan is to take a tbsp of this in the AM and a tbsp of elderberry extract/honey (alcohol based) in the PM during cold/flu season. These can be increased to combat symptoms (horseradish WILL help clear your stuffy nose). DH calls them my “elixir of death”

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August 30, 2017 whitebear54 0

Time for an update. Two weeks ago my fasting blood sugar averaged around 163 and my A1C was 8.4.

I started taking a daily tonic of 1 tbsp Apple cider vinegar, 1 tbsp Blue Agave Nectar and a heaping 1/2 tsp Cumin mixed in with the nectar before adding the vinegar. Can’s say much for the taste other than it’s downable.

I started adding 1 1/2 tsp cinnamon to my now daily yogurt. Yeah, I know, taco tasting yogurt is NOT my favorite.

Within one week my fasting blood sugar count dropped to an average of 119.

Our garden has started producing again now that the worst of the heat has passed (only 102 yesterday) so fresh salads are back on the table with every meal.

i went online to MyFitnessPal.com and started logging every bite of food to keep close track of my daily calorie consumption. Journaling works, folks.

I started swimming 1/2 mile, 4 times per week.

Today my fasting blood sugar was 93 and it’s been in the 90’s for almost a week.

Cinnamon, Vinegar and Cumin with a bit of exercise and improved diet works so well I’m adding tumeric with black pepper, Fenugreek and a few other supplements to my diet.

I feel better than I have in months and am definitely on the right track to reducing my A1C and getting off some of the diabetic meds I’m on. Oh, and I’ve lost a couple of pounds. My caloric intake on MyFitnessPal is set for me to lose 1 pound per week. I know that doesn’t sound like much but so far I’m on target and if I keep this up for a year I’ll be below 200 pounds for the first time since I was 45–and that’s more than twenty years ago, folks.

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August 30, 2017 whitebear54 0

Time for an update. Two weeks ago my fasting blood sugar averaged around 163 and my A1C was 8.4.

I started taking a daily tonic of 1 tbsp Apple cider vinegar, 1 tbsp Blue Agave Nectar and a heaping 1/2 tsp Cumin mixed in with the nectar before adding the vinegar. Can’s say much for the taste other than it’s downable.

I started adding 1 1/2 tsp cinnamon to my now daily yogurt. Yeah, I know, taco tasting yogurt is NOT my favorite.

Within one week my fasting blood sugar count dropped to an average of 119.

Our garden has started producing again now that the worst of the heat has passed (only 102 yesterday) so fresh salads are back on the table with every meal.

i went online to MyFitnessPal.com and started logging every bite of food to keep close track of my daily calorie consumption. Journaling works, folks.

I started swimming 1/2 mile, 4 times per week.

Today my fasting blood sugar was 93 and it’s been in the 90’s for almost a week.

Cinnamon, Vinegar and Cumin with a bit of exercise and improved diet works so well I’m adding tumeric with black pepper, Fenugreek and a few other supplements to my diet.

I feel better than I have in months and am definitely on the right track to reducing my A1C and getting off some of the diabetic meds I’m on. Oh, and I’ve lost a couple of pounds. My caloric intake on MyFitnessPal is set for me to lose 1 pound per week. I know that doesn’t sound like much but so far I’m on target and if I keep this up for a year I’ll be below 200 pounds for the first time since I was 45–and that’s more than twenty years ago, folks.

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August 30, 2017 whitebear54 0

Time for an update. Two weeks ago my fasting blood sugar averaged around 163 and my A1C was 8.4.

I started taking a daily tonic of 1 tbsp Apple cider vinegar, 1 tbsp Blue Agave Nectar and a heaping 1/2 tsp Cumin mixed in with the nectar before adding the vinegar. Can’s say much for the taste other than it’s downable.

I started adding 1 1/2 tsp cinnamon to my now daily yogurt. Yeah, I know, taco tasting yogurt is NOT my favorite.

Within one week my fasting blood sugar count dropped to an average of 119.

Our garden has started producing again now that the worst of the heat has passed (only 102 yesterday) so fresh salads are back on the table with every meal.

i went online to MyFitnessPal.com and started logging every bite of food to keep close track of my daily calorie consumption. Journaling works, folks.

I started swimming 1/2 mile, 4 times per week.

Today my fasting blood sugar was 93 and it’s been in the 90’s for almost a week.

Cinnamon, Vinegar and Cumin with a bit of exercise and improved diet works so well I’m adding tumeric with black pepper, Fenugreek and a few other supplements to my diet.

I feel better than I have in months and am definitely on the right track to reducing my A1C and getting off some of the diabetic meds I’m on. Oh, and I’ve lost a couple of pounds. My caloric intake on MyFitnessPal is set for me to lose 1 pound per week. I know that doesn’t sound like much but so far I’m on target and if I keep this up for a year I’ll be below 200 pounds for the first time since I was 45–and that’s more than twenty years ago, folks.

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August 30, 2017 PatrioticStabilist 0

You can drop cholesterol by eating steel cut oats. I ate them for a couple months every morning for breakfast, dropped
my bad cholesterol 20 points, doc couldn’t believe it. Need to continue, but got tired of them.

I just quit arthrotec, been having some heart issues, said I had a heart attack, waiting to get an ultrasound to see if valves
are ok. Read up on the diclofenac in that stuff, well they have known since the 70’s it increases risk of heart attacks 40%!!!!
and of congestive heart failure!!!!. I have been so sick not even doing much canning. I quit that poo poo cold turkey 2 days ago
and already am feeling better. Doc tested for vitamin D, apparently low causes severe joint and bone pain, been taking
it for a month or so and it has improved. However, I’m waiting for the lower back issues, degenerative disk disease, and
my bad right ankle pain to come back full bore. But would rather have pain then die. Big pharma will do anything for
money, we have to be vigilant.

I’m not sure what I will do, they did give me hydrocodone, but I will only take 2 a day, and every few days quit taking any
to make sure I’m not getting addicted to the stuff, that scares me to death. I’m allowed 3 a day but won’t take them. Now
I need to read up on it and see how it affects your heart too.

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August 30, 2017 PatrioticStabilist 0

You can drop cholesterol by eating steel cut oats. I ate them for a couple months every morning for breakfast, dropped
my bad cholesterol 20 points, doc couldn’t believe it. Need to continue, but got tired of them.

I just quit arthrotec, been having some heart issues, said I had a heart attack, waiting to get an ultrasound to see if valves
are ok. Read up on the diclofenac in that stuff, well they have known since the 70’s it increases risk of heart attacks 40%!!!!
and of congestive heart failure!!!!. I have been so sick not even doing much canning. I quit that poo poo cold turkey 2 days ago
and already am feeling better. Doc tested for vitamin D, apparently low causes severe joint and bone pain, been taking
it for a month or so and it has improved. However, I’m waiting for the lower back issues, degenerative disk disease, and
my bad right ankle pain to come back full bore. But would rather have pain then die. Big pharma will do anything for
money, we have to be vigilant.

I’m not sure what I will do, they did give me hydrocodone, but I will only take 2 a day, and every few days quit taking any
to make sure I’m not getting addicted to the stuff, that scares me to death. I’m allowed 3 a day but won’t take them. Now
I need to read up on it and see how it affects your heart too.

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August 30, 2017 PatrioticStabilist 0

You can drop cholesterol by eating steel cut oats. I ate them for a couple months every morning for breakfast, dropped
my bad cholesterol 20 points, doc couldn’t believe it. Need to continue, but got tired of them.

I just quit arthrotec, been having some heart issues, said I had a heart attack, waiting to get an ultrasound to see if valves
are ok. Read up on the diclofenac in that stuff, well they have known since the 70’s it increases risk of heart attacks 40%!!!!
and of congestive heart failure!!!!. I have been so sick not even doing much canning. I quit that poo poo cold turkey 2 days ago
and already am feeling better. Doc tested for vitamin D, apparently low causes severe joint and bone pain, been taking
it for a month or so and it has improved. However, I’m waiting for the lower back issues, degenerative disk disease, and
my bad right ankle pain to come back full bore. But would rather have pain then die. Big pharma will do anything for
money, we have to be vigilant.

I’m not sure what I will do, they did give me hydrocodone, but I will only take 2 a day, and every few days quit taking any
to make sure I’m not getting addicted to the stuff, that scares me to death. I’m allowed 3 a day but won’t take them. Now
I need to read up on it and see how it affects your heart too.

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August 23, 2017 watcher 0

World Health Organization Oral Rehydration Solution Salts Recipe

½ teaspoon Table Salt (NaCl)
½ Salt Substitute (KCl)
½ Baking Soda
2 Tablespoons Table Sugar
Add this to 1 Qt. + 2 tablespoons fresh clean water

The dried ingredients can be carried with you at all times.
Once made the solution must be consumed within 24 hours.

OR

Homemade Gatorade
1 (1/4 ounce) envelope unsweetened flavored drink mix (enough for 2 quarts)
1/2 teaspoon table salt
1/4 teaspoon Morton Salt Substitute)
1/4 cup sugar
1/4 cup granular fructose OR 1/4 cup plus 2 tbs. corn syrup
¼ cup glucose
1/2 teaspoon citric acid OR 2 tbs. lemon juice
2 quarts fresh clean water
8 servings
3 minutes prep time
Place all ingredients in a large pitcher or jug and stir or shake until well mixed. Chill and keep refrigerated until used.

The dry ingredients can be bagged and carried as well

The following is the “Simple Solution” – Home made Oral Rehydration Salts (ORS) Recipe found at survivalblog.com

Ingredients:

Six (6) level teaspoons of Sugar
Half (1/2) level teaspoon of Salt
One Liter of clean drinking or boiled water and then cooled –
5 cupfuls (each cup is about 200 ml.)

Preparation Method:

Stir the mixture until the salt and sugar dissolve.

There are many other formulas out there, this one is simple and easy with just three ingredients.

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August 23, 2017 watcher 0

World Health Organization Oral Rehydration Solution Salts Recipe

½ teaspoon Table Salt (NaCl)
½ Salt Substitute (KCl)
½ Baking Soda
2 Tablespoons Table Sugar
Add this to 1 Qt. + 2 tablespoons fresh clean water

The dried ingredients can be carried with you at all times.
Once made the solution must be consumed within 24 hours.

OR

Homemade Gatorade
1 (1/4 ounce) envelope unsweetened flavored drink mix (enough for 2 quarts)
1/2 teaspoon table salt
1/4 teaspoon Morton Salt Substitute)
1/4 cup sugar
1/4 cup granular fructose OR 1/4 cup plus 2 tbs. corn syrup
¼ cup glucose
1/2 teaspoon citric acid OR 2 tbs. lemon juice
2 quarts fresh clean water
8 servings
3 minutes prep time
Place all ingredients in a large pitcher or jug and stir or shake until well mixed. Chill and keep refrigerated until used.

The dry ingredients can be bagged and carried as well

The following is the “Simple Solution” – Home made Oral Rehydration Salts (ORS) Recipe found at survivalblog.com

Ingredients:

Six (6) level teaspoons of Sugar
Half (1/2) level teaspoon of Salt
One Liter of clean drinking or boiled water and then cooled –
5 cupfuls (each cup is about 200 ml.)

Preparation Method:

Stir the mixture until the salt and sugar dissolve.

There are many other formulas out there, this one is simple and easy with just three ingredients.

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August 23, 2017 pilgrimtr 0
rickyticky wrote:
This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

Swamp all that you wrote is true but the question was how do you treat shock when there are no hospitals or when they are over filled. I was addressing the question that rickyticky asked. if you have a person in anaphylactic shock. unless you have 1:1000 epinephrine to administer all the basic shock treatment will do no good. if they are in cardiogenic shock unless you have the correct meds and can determine what arrhythmia they are in you cannot correct the problem. if they are in septic shock due to and infection. and you do not have the antibiotics again you can not correct the problem. if it is a hypovolemic problem due to internal bleeding unless you can perform surgery. again the basic are no good. the treatments that you have quoted are for treatable shock from external bleeding or shock that can be rectified by environmental correction. in a SHTF scenario when you can’t dill 911 as I said in my first post if you don’t have the advanced life support skills and the equipment and knowledge to administer them the basic shock treatment will not cure the patient. pilgrim

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August 23, 2017 pilgrimtr 0
rickyticky wrote:
This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

Swamp all that you wrote is true but the question was how do you treat shock when there are no hospitals or when they are over filled. I was addressing the question that rickyticky asked. if you have a person in anaphylactic shock. unless you have 1:1000 epinephrine to administer all the basic shock treatment will do no good. if they are in cardiogenic shock unless you have the correct meds and can determine what arrhythmia they are in you cannot correct the problem. if they are in septic shock due to and infection. and you do not have the antibiotics again you can not correct the problem. if it is a hypovolemic problem due to internal bleeding unless you can perform surgery. again the basic are no good. the treatments that you have quoted are for treatable shock from external bleeding or shock that can be rectified by environmental correction. in a SHTF scenario when you can’t dill 911 as I said in my first post if you don’t have the advanced life support skills and the equipment and knowledge to administer them the basic shock treatment will not cure the patient. pilgrim

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August 23, 2017 pilgrimtr 0
rickyticky wrote:
This has been on my mind for a bit. How do you treat shock when the are no hospitals or when they are over filled? I know when SHTF people will more than likely go into shock and I want to know how to treat it. I look up how to treat it, but most of the time it’s just “cover them with a blanket and call for an ambulance.”. This doesn’t help much.

Swamp all that you wrote is true but the question was how do you treat shock when there are no hospitals or when they are over filled. I was addressing the question that rickyticky asked. if you have a person in anaphylactic shock. unless you have 1:1000 epinephrine to administer all the basic shock treatment will do no good. if they are in cardiogenic shock unless you have the correct meds and can determine what arrhythmia they are in you cannot correct the problem. if they are in septic shock due to and infection. and you do not have the antibiotics again you can not correct the problem. if it is a hypovolemic problem due to internal bleeding unless you can perform surgery. again the basic are no good. the treatments that you have quoted are for treatable shock from external bleeding or shock that can be rectified by environmental correction. in a SHTF scenario when you can’t dill 911 as I said in my first post if you don’t have the advanced life support skills and the equipment and knowledge to administer them the basic shock treatment will not cure the patient. pilgrim

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August 20, 2017 daaswampman 0

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Shock

Shock is a life-threatening condition that occurs when the body is not getting enough blood flow. Lack of blood flow means that the cells and organs do not get enough oxygen and nutrients to function properly. Many organs can be damaged as a result. Shock requires immediate treatment and can get worse very rapidly. As many 1 in 5 people who suffer shock will die from it.

Considerations
The main types of shock include:

Cardiogenic shock (due to heart problems)
Hypovolemic shock (caused by too little blood volume)
Anaphylactic shock (caused by allergic reaction)
Septic shock (due to infections)
Neurogenic shock (caused by damage to the nervous system)

Causes
Shock can be caused by any condition that reduces blood flow, including:

Heart problems (such as heart attack or heart failure)
Low blood volume (as with heavy bleeding or dehydration)
Changes in blood vessels (as with infection or severe allergic reactions)
Certain medicines that significantly reduce heart function or blood pressure
Shock is often associated with heavy external or internal bleeding from a serious injury. Spinal injuries can also cause shock.

Toxic shock syndrome is an example of a type of shock from an infection.

Symptoms
A person in shock has extremely low blood pressure. Depending on the specific cause and type of shock, symptoms will include one or more of the following:

Anxiety or agitation/restlessness
Bluish lips and fingernails
Chest pain
Confusion
Dizziness, lightheadedness, or faintness
Pale, cool, clammy skin
Low or no urine output
Profuse sweating, moist skin
Rapid but weak pulse
Shallow breathing
Unconsciousness
First Aid
Take the following steps if you think a person is in shock:

Call 911 for immediate medical help.
Check the person’s airway, breathing, and circulation. If necessary, begin rescue breathing and CPR.
Even if the person is able to breathe on their own, continue to check rate of breathing at least every 5 minutes until help arrives.
If the person is conscious and does NOT have an injury to the head, leg, neck, or spine, place the person in the shock position. Lay the person on the back and elevate the legs about 12 inches (30 centimeters). Do NOT elevate the head. If raising the legs will cause pain or potential harm, leave the person lying flat.
Give appropriate first aid for any wounds, injuries, or illnesses.
Keep the person warm and comfortable. Loosen tight clothing.
IF THE PERSON VOMITS OR DROOLS

Turn the head to one side to prevent choking. Do this as long as you do not suspect an injury to the spine.
If a spinal injury is suspected, “log roll” the person instead. To do this, keep the person’s head, neck, and back in line, and roll the body and head as a unit.
DO NOT
In case of shock:

Do NOT give the person anything by mouth, including anything to eat or drink.
Do NOT move the person with a known or suspected spinal injury.
Do NOT wait for milder shock symptoms to worsen before calling for emergency medical help.
When to Contact a Medical Professional
Call 911 any time a person has symptoms of shock. Stay with the person and follow the first aid steps until medical help arrives.

https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/000039.htm

Primum non nocere is a Latin phrase that means “first, do no harm.”

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August 20, 2017 pilgrimtr 0

rickyticky,
it’s been quite a while since paramedic school but I believe there are seven types of shock. some are treated with volume replacement, hemorrhagic shock, bleeding. some with medication epinephrine. anaphylactic shock. insect stings allergy’s. the best thing you can do is education. learn the types of shock and how to treat them. some you will not be able to treat unless you have the ability to administer an IV intravenous solution to replenish the volume. if not an IV, the only other thing you can do in a bleeding situation is, stop the bleeding, raise the lower extremity’s. and keep them warm. in this situation you may not be able to give them liquids by mouth because of nausea. and if they throw up the patient may aspirate the fluid into there lungs. So you see there is no easy answer to your question. educate your self. and still, if you don’t have the equipment, all the knowledge will only tell you why the died.. good luck and God bless pilgrim

Statistics: Posted by pilgrimtr — Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:30 am


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August 20, 2017 pilgrimtr 0

rickyticky,
it’s been quite a while since paramedic school but I believe there are seven types of shock. some are treated with volume replacement, hemorrhagic shock, bleeding. some with medication epinephrine. anaphylactic shock. insect stings allergy’s. the best thing you can do is education. learn the types of shock and how to treat them. some you will not be able to treat unless you have the ability to administer an IV intravenous solution to replenish the volume. if not an IV, the only other thing you can do in a bleeding situation is, stop the bleeding, raise the lower extremity’s. and keep them warm. in this situation you may not be able to give them liquids by mouth because of nausea. and if they throw up the patient may aspirate the fluid into there lungs. So you see there is no easy answer to your question. educate your self. and still, if you don’t have the equipment, all the knowledge will only tell you why the died.. good luck and God bless pilgrim

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August 17, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

One big thing he gave up was “leaded” Mountain Dew. He drinks a diet Dew a few times a week now. Otherwise he drinks water or I make some cold brewed tea with a little honey.
People don’t realize how many calories they’re drinking from sugar.
We have cut out rice, pasta and potatoes.
Even though he only lost 16 pounds, it seemed to really make a difference.

Mrs FP

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August 17, 2017 whitebear54 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Hubs did some research on the cinnamon and thinks he might give it a try.

Blood work results after eating low(er) carb, losing 16 pounds and taking ACV each night for 3 months:

A1C – from 7.8 to 6.4
Glucose -from 180’s to 111

He did notice more tummy trouble when he forgot to pack his vinegar last week in combination with eating out off his normal diet at home.
We will continue on our plan and see if it goes down again in 3 months.

Mrs FP

Woo Hoo! That is terrific. I’ll keep trying it and see what happens to my A1C.

Statistics: Posted by whitebear54 — Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:09 pm