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March 28, 2017 Reloader762 0

All my reloading equipment is a mix of Lyman,RCBS or Lee. My Lyman Orange Crusher press is 40 years old,I though about upgrading one time but just never did she took me this far so I’m sticking with it till the end. I bought the press in a kit,I’m still using the case trimmer although I’ve added a power assist shaft to make trimming my converted 9mm to 9 x 18 Mak cases and the .308 Win. case I convert to 300 Sav.

I also have a RCBS Lube A Matic that I bought off Ebay that came with 10 different sizer dies,eight of which I could use right off on bullets I was already casting. I also use a Lee Universal Expander die along with several neck expander plugs made by NOE they basically turn the die into a Lyman M die to expand and flair the case necks for different dia cast bullets.

I gave the D7 scales that came with the kit to a friend that was just getting into reload,I had a set of Dillon scales already and I gave my brother the #55 Lyman powder dumper as I had a RCBS DUO Measurer that I had picked up on the cheap years before. I also use a RCBS Lil Dandy along with 10 different rotors for all my pistol loads as well as some of my cast rifle loads.

As for dies I have just the basic 2 an 3 die sets by Lyman,RCBS an Lee, two of the 4 dies sets are from Lee that have the FCD. Never had any problems with any of the die set old or new,I just take them apart clean them up for the task at hand. I also use a Lee Universal Decapper on occasion when I’m punching out crimped in primers.

I used to prime on the press when I first got started but I have two of the old Lee round head priming tools that I have one set up to do SP/SR and the other is for LP/LR. I put a bit of moly grease on the hinge point about once a year and I never had one of the break,I think the oldest one is probably 30 years old or so.

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Guns • Re: RELOADING

March 28, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Dirk Williams wrote:
. Nothing against Lee, good kit, I’ve just always used RCBS for, my precision bullets. Which Class of Dies were you using? The lower end dies can be a problem. And if loose, the depriiming pin can be a real pain. I keep a dozen extra pins on hand for ” those” days.

Dirk

Not entirely sure as to what class of dies.

Reloading for a co-worker. She brought me the dies, carbide, and the other components.

Other than the once in awhile clean and lubing, Lee dies never required additional tools for making adjustments.

I will give them the benefit of the doubt. She did say they were her fathers dies and he passed on a few years ago. Perhaps they were just stuck.

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March 27, 2017 Dirk Williams 0

. Nothing against Lee, good kit, I’ve just always used RCBS for, my precision bullets. Which Class of Dies were you using? The lower end dies can be a problem. And if loose, the depriiming pin can be a real pain. I keep a dozen extra pins on hand for ” those” days.

Dirk

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Guns • Re: RELOADING

March 27, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Just had my first experience reloading with RCBS dies . . .
Not impressed.

I have never had to use a allen key, or a pair of vice-grips and a wrench to adjust a seater die. The threads binded a lot too. Made it difficult to feel when the seater body touched the brass mouth, or when the seater plug touched the bullet flat nose.

The resizing die decapper pin did not impress me either. Kept moving, despite torquing down on the lock ring.

I will stick with Lee.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

March 27, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Reloader762 wrote:
All my casting for rifles are of the 30 caliber variety 7.62 x 39 & 54r as well as 30-30,300 Sav. all the bullets I cast can be used in any 30 cal. rifle although some work better for the Russian calibers and some for the US calibers with a few crossovers. If I owned an AR in .223/5.56 you can bet I would be shooting cast in it as well.

Leading doesn’t have to be an issue in the gas system of semi auto rifles or in the bore as long as you do things right from the start. The biggest cause of leading is either is using to soft and alloy for the velocity / load pressure an or your bullet is undersized. Wheel weight are a good alloy to start with,by themselves when air cooled right out of the mold depending on what you have as far as the alloys makeup is as it can vary somewhat your BHN is going to run from 10 to 12 on the hardness scale.

Wheel weights contain both antimony as well as traces of arsenic and can be further hardens without adding any additional alloy,water quenching your bullets straight from the mold will increase the hardness of the bullet to between 15 & 18 BHN in 24 hours. Further hardening can be achieved by the presents of the arsenic,heat treating the bullets in a toaster oven using the time and temperature method in general about 400 degrees for 1 hour then quenching will give you a BHN in the hi 20’s which will be plenty hard for anything you can throw through the AR,however with most AR with standard twist barrels you velocity/RPM/Stability range is still going to limit you to the 2300 to 2400 fps. range.

Cast bullets in the 60 to 70 gr. range sized to .001 to .002″ over groove dia. gas checked with a good lube give best results. Powder coating your bullet is also a plus if you have the ability to do that as it can replace the tradition lubing process. A quick check on the net will lead you to lots of various load data but if I were working up a load I would start with H-4895 using about 13.5 grs starting load till I got reliable cycling an continue till accuracy dropped off. 2″ at 100 yds. would suit me just fine and is and has been done on a pretty regular basis with the velocity running around 2100 fps. with 15.0 to 16.0 grs. of H-4895.

Great post.

Thank you for the information.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

March 26, 2017 Reloader762 0

All my casting for rifles are of the 30 caliber variety 7.62 x 39 & 54r as well as 30-30,300 Sav. all the bullets I cast can be used in any 30 cal. rifle although some work better for the Russian calibers and some for the US calibers with a few crossovers. If I owned an AR in .223/5.56 you can bet I would be shooting cast in it as well.

Leading doesn’t have to be an issue in the gas system of semi auto rifles or in the bore as long as you do things right from the start. The biggest cause of leading is either is using to soft and alloy for the velocity / load pressure an or your bullet is undersized. Wheel weight are a good alloy to start with,by themselves when air cooled right out of the mold depending on what you have as far as the alloys makeup is as it can vary somewhat your BHN is going to run from 10 to 12 on the hardness scale.

Wheel weights contain both antimony as well as traces of arsenic and can be further hardens without adding any additional alloy,water quenching your bullets straight from the mold will increase the hardness of the bullet to between 15 & 18 BHN in 24 hours. Further hardening can be achieved by the presents of the arsenic,heat treating the bullets in a toaster oven using the time and temperature method in general about 400 degrees for 1 hour then quenching will give you a BHN in the hi 20’s which will be plenty hard for anything you can throw through the AR,however with most AR with standard twist barrels you velocity/RPM/Stability range is still going to limit you to the 2300 to 2400 fps. range.

Cast bullets in the 60 to 70 gr. range sized to .001 to .002″ over groove dia. gas checked with a good lube give best results. Powder coating your bullet is also a plus if you have the ability to do that as it can replace the tradition lubing process. A quick check on the net will lead you to lots of various load data but if I were working up a load I would start with H-4895 using about 13.5 grs starting load till I got reliable cycling an continue till accuracy dropped off. 2″ at 100 yds. would suit me just fine and is and has been done on a pretty regular basis with the velocity running around 2100 fps. with 15.0 to 16.0 grs. of H-4895.

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March 26, 2017 Reloader762 0

Went over to the shooting buddies house a couple week ago and took some of my Lee 200 gr. powder coated SWC bullet I had cast up to try in my Hi-Point 4595 carbine. I took the original peep sight off as I had to shift it to far to one side so I attached a Taso 40mm red dot sight as zeroed it in with some cheap federal FMJ.

Anyways the load I was using was 6.9 grs. Power Pistol not a MAX load but a few grs. off. I used my RCBS Lil Dandy powder dumper and the #10 rotor to load all the rds. Target was about 30 yds. and the dot being a 5 MOA covered the dime size red sticker up so I just centered the dot inside the dot so to speak. The result of my ten shot group came out pretty well average MV was just of 1K fps.

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Guns • Re: RELOADING

March 26, 2017 Reloader762 0

If there is a specific brand or brands of bullets that you want to shoot exclusively then buy the reloading manual for that brand. For me personally the Lyman reloading manuals have always been my go to manual even though I have several other ones I haven’t updated they in years,Lyman manuals are not brand specific as they offer load date with several option from different bullet mfg. along with a couple different cast bullets load using Lyman molds. If the bullet you like isn’t listed in the Lyman manual you can use one that is the same weight but not heavier with a similar profile start with the starting load and work the load up in your gun.

If you like casting your own bullet or shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns then the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual is a must it will have several differ mold designs from Lee,RCBS,SAECO as well as Lyman. If the bullet your casting or shooting is not from one of those listed but from a custom mold maker like NOE or Accurate just to name a couple you can use data with a bullet of the same weight or less with a similar profile working up the load for the starting load listed. The Cast Bullet Manual will also have powders that you can use with cast lead loads especially for rifles that you want find in any other reloading manual. The manual is also a great recourse for information on lead and lead based alloy,casting,shooting and hunting.

I’ll be having a little casting secession today with two new molds I recently picked up one is the NOE .385 124 gr. TC bullet I’ll be casting for my 9mm and the other is my Accurate .315″ 2.15 gr. FN gas check bullet I’ll be developing a load for in my Mosin rifles.

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March 26, 2017 Reloader762 0

If there is a specific brand or brands of bullets that you want to shoot exclusively then buy the reloading manual for that brand. For me personally the Lyman reloading manuals have always been my go to manual even though I have several other ones I haven’t updated they in years,Lyman manuals are not brand specific as they offer load date with several option from different bullet mfg. along with a couple different cast bullets load using Lyman molds. If the bullet you like isn’t listed in the Lyman manual you can use one that is the same weight but not heavier with a similar profile start with the starting load and work the load up in your gun.

If you like casting your own bullet or shooting cast lead bullets in rifles and handguns then the Lyman Cast Bullet Manual is a must it will have several differ mold designs from Lee,RCBS,SAECO as well as Lyman. If the bullet your casting or shooting is not from one of those listed but from a custom mold maker like NOE or Accurate just to name a couple you can use data with a bullet of the same weight or less with a similar profile working up the load for the starting load listed. The Cast Bullet Manual will also have powders that you can use with cast lead loads especially for rifles that you want find in any other reloading manual. The manual is also a great recourse for information on lead and lead based alloy,casting,shooting and hunting.

I’ll be having a little casting secession today with two new molds I recently picked up one is the NOE .385 124 gr. TC bullet I’ll be casting for my 9mm and the other is my Accurate .315″ 2.15 gr. FN gas check bullet I’ll be developing a load for in my Mosin rifles.

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Guns • Re: EMP/SHTF Bullet Factories….

March 26, 2017 Reloader762 0

I’ve been casting my own bullets for about 30 years an after watching those two guys make lead ingots from a car battery it’s a wounder both aren’t dead,never mind the fact that they were handling the plates with bare hands and getting the oxidized lead all over which is fine lead dust and can easily be introduced into the body by mouth or breathing it in.

Maintenance free/low maintenance batteries use calcium metal-doped lead to catalyze the hydrogen gas generated from water electrolysis back into water. That is what makes the batteries low maintenance or maintenance free, you don’t need to add water to the cells as often like in the old days. When the battery lead is melted down there is enough sulfuric acid from residual electrolyte trapped in the lead dioxide and lead framework of the battery plates to react with the small amount of calcium metal in the lead alloy.

Normally when sulfuric acid (or water) gets in contact with calcium metal it undergoes a rather vigorous reaction that generates hydrogen gas. In and of itself this is no big deal, hydrogen is a simple non-toxic asphyxiant that is also flammable. But the lead alloy used in batteries also contains a bit of antimony and even arsenic to help harden and strengthen the lead to withstand the vibration and general knocking-about batteries have to withstand in order to survive normal automotive use. When hydrogen comes in contact with arsenic and antimony, or compounds of these two elements, the hydrogen reacts to form ammonia analogues called arsine and stibine, AsH3 and SbH3. Both of these are heavy gases and both have the similar characteristic odors of rotting fish.

In World War One the Germans experimented with these, along with phosphine, another rotting-fish-smelling gaseous ammonia analogue with formula PH3, as war gases. As such they were highly effective since they are deadly in amounts too small to easily detect. In even smaller amounts that are too small to immediately kill they cause rather painful lung damage that often eventually leads to emphysema and lung cancer.

So leave the car batteries alone at least for making cast bullets. Even the wheel weights used on most cars these day aren’t any good for making bullet because they contain Zinc which when melted into the lead basically turns you bullet metal into oatmeal. If you plan on casting and shooting lead or lead based alloy bullets as a preparedness step stock up on usable types of lead now.

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Guns • Re: Thoughts on how to handle

March 25, 2017 Fullmoon 0

There are plenty of former Navy SEALS and former Special Forces people out there making training video’s and selling them to the general public, as well as teaching classes. This business market focus has moved from retired police people to the special operator’s arena in the last 12 to 15 years due to the never ending sandbox engagements. One of the most vocal was Col Bo Gritz who operated his SPIKE training classes over in Idaho during the 1990s. There have always been flakes and drop outs as well as wanna bees who profess to have been in the special warfare arena. At one time all ex SF people carried a challenge coin to prove they had actually been in the SF but today anyone can purchase a challenge coin in most surplus stores. With no DD-214 or DD-215 as proof of service Its best to distance yourself from this situation. He may be just another con artist trying to make a buck off of an experience that never happened.

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March 25, 2017 Fullmoon 0

There are plenty of former Navy SEALS and former Special Forces people out there making training video’s and selling them to the general public, as well as teaching classes. This business market focus has moved from retired police people to the special operator’s arena in the last 12 to 15 years due to the never ending sandbox engagements. One of the most vocal was Col Bo Gritz who operated his SPIKE training classes over in Idaho during the 1990s. There have always been flakes and drop outs as well as wanna bees who profess to have been in the special warfare arena. At one time all ex SF people carried a challenge coin to prove they had actually been in the SF but today anyone can purchase a challenge coin in most surplus stores. With no DD-214 or DD-215 as proof of service Its best to distance yourself from this situation. He may be just another con artist trying to make a buck off of an experience that never happened.

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March 25, 2017 ajax727 0

Just a small idea you have a name then do a search , the net might have a little info somewhere .Also if you have a photo you might send it around to a few old friends and they can send it out to there old friends and see if they might know him . Record searches there is a paper trail we all have them , electric bills , gas bills , water bills , deeds , arrest records or court records , class graduation SFPD .
A red flag issue yes , why hide if you don’t have something to hide .

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March 25, 2017 BK in KC 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

BK in KC wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:he could still be legit – just pizzed because someone is questioning his whole deal ….

If you represent yourself as something and are using those claimed credentials to sell a service (firearms training, CPA services or whatever) then you have no right to be angry when someone asks to see proof of your credentials.

he’s his own boss – can do anything he wants – self employed people make that choice every single day they’re operating – he could turning down the gig for any number of reasons – I’ve been in my professional long enough I can smell trouble over the telephone or reading the job descrip ….

That’s his right of course. But anyone who represents himself as something and refuses to provide proof of his credentials is a RED FLAG. I wouldn’t hire such a person to walk my dog let alone provide firearms training. Your mileage may vary, it’s your money after all.

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March 25, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
BK in KC wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:he could still be legit – just pizzed because someone is questioning his whole deal ….

If you represent yourself as something and are using those claimed credentials to sell a service (firearms training, CPA services or whatever) then you have no right to be angry when someone asks to see proof of your credentials.

he’s his own boss – can do anything he wants – self employed people make that choice every single day they’re operating – he could turning down the gig for any number of reasons – I’ve been in my professional long enough I can smell trouble over the telephone or reading the job descrip ….

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March 25, 2017 BK in KC 0
Illini Warrior wrote:
he could still be legit – just pizzed because someone is questioning his whole deal ….

If you represent yourself as something and are using those claimed credentials to sell a service (firearms training, CPA services or whatever) then you have no right to be angry when someone asks to see proof of your credentials.

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March 25, 2017 Blondie 0

If you’re confident where he lives, many guys file a copy of their DD214’s at their local county offices. You can ask if it’s a public record.

There are some online groups that target The Posers. Lurk around and see if anyone knows this guy?

Or you can always google search the dude’s alias + fraudster, faker, poser….whatever are the most common terms.

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Guns • Thoughts on how to handle

March 24, 2017 Dirk Williams 0

I find myself in a quandary. I have shared that I was putting on a class here, first week of May. I ran imto a couple snags.

I don’t know the trainer, personally. He’s got a good rep. I have been asked by associates to,vet this credentials. I thought ok, I’ll reach out and do a back door check. I asked so,e of my friends to vet, the instructor on SF BROTHERHOOD, this is a site open to only vetted SF troopers, not Rangers, but Flash wearing green berets only.

” the instructor is alledged to be from this community” we put the request to vet out six weeks ago, had heard zero, nothing, after three weeks, we re published the request for vetting. In fairness a couple of the SF guys came back saying they had heard of this guy as a trainer, but that they could not confirm they or anybody they served with could stand up for his credentials as SF.

First aaaaa Sh-t.

I then reached out to some of my old instructors , these guys have their own TV showsare comfirmed retired Delta. ” anybody can take their classes” I asked for help, which I rarely do. They instructed me to use SF brotherhood. I told both that I had, Twice, no nibbles, no head shakes nada.

This got their attention. Both agreed to do some snooping. They both contacted CAG ” Combat Arms Group” and Group. And asked for someone to vet this guy. Nada, again a couple thought the fake teaching name was something they had heard off, but nobody could vet him. As being on the teams or ODA’s in any capacity. Not even a support toad.

I recontacted this instructor, and asked him to provided a DD214, with appropriate SF numbers, told him I didn’t need his name or history, just a verification that he is what he says he is. I explained the lengths I’d go to, with zero positive response.

I get a email last night from him. Telling me he completely understand me asking. But that he’s been training under this name and web site for many years, that many in CAG and Geoup don’t like the fact that he’s teaching this stuff, so he’s decided to keep his identity secret, from most but not all the SF community.

Tells me he’s concerned about hjaji showing up on his door steps when he’s away.That he refuses to provide even a DD214 for comformation. That we should just cancel the class due to this misunderstanding.

And I agree the class is not happening now. I feellike, to allow this guy into my range, after telling the world he’s the real deal super trooper and then refuse to back his credentials just dosent smell right. The refusal to pony up a DD214 with corispomdi g numbers is just odd.

By the way, all the other instructors have stacks of photocopied 214s, for this verification issue, it’s how the big dogs do it.

That’s the strange story. And here’s my question. I’m on a couple of sites where this guy hangs out. It’s loaded with tough guy swel and when he was SF this and that. How to pack, wear your kit, etc etc?

How would you address this.

Thank you in advance.

Dirk

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March 24, 2017 Dirk Williams 0

I find myself in a quandary. I have shared that I was putting on a class here, first week of May. I ran imto a couple snags.

I don’t know the trainer, personally. He’s got a good rep. I have been asked by associates to,vet this credentials. I thought ok, I’ll reach out and do a back door check. I asked so,e of my friends to vet, the instructor on SF BROTHERHOOD, this is a site open to only vetted SF troopers, not Rangers, but Flash wearing green berets only.

” the instructor is alledged to be from this community” we put the request to vet out six weeks ago, had heard zero, nothing, after three weeks, we re published the request for vetting. In fairness a couple of the SF guys came back saying they had heard of this guy as a trainer, but that they could not confirm they or anybody they served with could stand up for his credentials as SF.

First aaaaa Sh-t.

I then reached out to some of my old instructors , these guys have their own TV showsare comfirmed retired Delta. ” anybody can take their classes” I asked for help, which I rarely do. They instructed me to use SF brotherhood. I told both that I had, Twice, no nibbles, no head shakes nada.

This got their attention. Both agreed to do some snooping. They both contacted CAG ” Combat Arms Group” and Group. And asked for someone to vet this guy. Nada, again a couple thought the fake teaching name was something they had heard off, but nobody could vet him. As being on the teams or ODA’s in any capacity. Not even a support toad.

I recontacted this instructor, and asked him to provided a DD214, with appropriate SF numbers, told him I didn’t need his name or history, just a verification that he is what he says he is. I explained the lengths I’d go to, with zero positive response.

I get a email last night from him. Telling me he completely understand me asking. But that he’s been training under this name and web site for many years, that many in CAG and Geoup don’t like the fact that he’s teaching this stuff, so he’s decided to keep his identity secret, from most but not all the SF community.

Tells me he’s concerned about hjaji showing up on his door steps when he’s away.That he refuses to provide even a DD214 for comformation. That we should just cancel the class due to this misunderstanding.

And I agree the class is not happening now. I feellike, to allow this guy into my range, after telling the world he’s the real deal super trooper and then refuse to back his credentials just dosent smell right. The refusal to pony up a DD214 with corispomdi g numbers is just odd.

By the way, all the other instructors have stacks of photocopied 214s, for this verification issue, it’s how the big dogs do it.

That’s the strange story. And here’s my question. I’m on a couple of sites where this guy hangs out. It’s loaded with tough guy swel and when he was SF this and that. How to pack, wear your kit, etc etc?

How would you address this.

Thank you in advance.

Dirk

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Guns • Re: Mil, MOA or inches?

March 23, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I have found MOA can be useful shooting NRA High-Power, but using the Amended Rule.

For Field Target, I use the mil-dots or the equivalent to determine distance, and knowing my holdovers to take the shot.

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March 23, 2017 rickdun 0

Older school and older shooter and never used MOA, actually never knew what it ment until I googled it.

Inch high-inch low-inch right-inch left + kentucky windage.

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March 23, 2017 Cast Iron 0
ajax727 wrote:
Old school and old rules MOA was poured into my brain years and years ago so that is what i know . To me it is just as important to know your rifle and ammo . Before all the new bells and whistles we can now get with a new scope we used our brain to do the dope , aka the drop and wind push , target speed .This is all from a hunting point of view . I also used that well known Kentucky windage , when you just don’t have time to think .

Well said.

Rather have the guy next to me with a bolt action Winchester Model 70 who can hit nearly everything he can see, from field positions than the guy with a tricked out AR that can only hit a twelve inch target at 100yrds from a bench, off bags.

I am sure the Spider People’s heads are exploding right now.

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March 23, 2017 ajax727 0

Old school and old rules MOA was poured into my brain years and years ago so that is what i know . To me it is just as important to know your rifle and ammo . Before all the new bells and whistles we can now get with a new scope we used our brain to do the dope , aka the drop and wind push , target speed .This is all from a hunting point of view . I also used that well known Kentucky windage , when you just don’t have time to think .

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March 23, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Good post Dirk.

I have a Super Sniper as well, fixed power. I put it on three different rifles and did the box test. It tracked perfectly.

I like the reticule, as I can zero for a given distance for a given weight bullet. Then back up to the 100yrd and note the subtensions above the horizontal line. Then start to take it back past the zero to a given distance.
No messing with knobs.

Using a app like Strelok can get me in the general vicinity.

I am not sure I understand your question concerning “inch” and scope tube diameter?
There are scopes main tube in 1-inch, 30mm, 35mm, and I think I saw IOR is putting out some 40mm main tubes.

at the end of the day, it’s the guy driving the rifle and scope that is the difference.

Could not agree with you more.
My co-worker is a name and price dropper. He can quote all kinds of stats, but we have never seen him shoot. Even a picture of a group he shot.
Based off his comments about marksmanship, I do not think he knows a thing about marksmanship.
But he sure can drop names and stats.

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March 23, 2017 Dirk Williams 0

Old shooter here, early on we did MOA, two of my high end sniper rifles wear high end Schmidt & Bender PMII scopes, it’s what I know. I also shoot other rifles with the new Vortex Gen II scopes which are MRAD the 4.5x27x56 EBR-2C scopes. Cool kit! Have three now on long range guns, as I can’t justify purchasing the S&B PMIIs after I retired.

My group, decided to break away from the MOA scopes, to the MRAD to learn. We have set up our shoot computers to put the distance Dope out in either or, with one click.

We also have older Super Sniper scopes these are fixed power in 10 and 16 power. For the money, not a bad scope at all. These scopes are mildot. These scopes give me more trouble then any other. I just forget the formula’s and how to,measure with the Dots.

Frankly I need to be up to,speed on the MilDot system as their are a metric ton of those systems in the world.”

It’s my understanding ” and I could be wrong” but doesn’t the ” inch” is in reference to the actual scope tube size? I’m having a brain fa-t, and can’t remember.

Regardless of what scope your using, become informed on what you have. Don’t care if it’s a fifty dollar scope, or a 4 k scope, at the end of the day, it’s the guy driving the rifle and scope that is the difference.

I attended my first tru LEO sniper basic school with a gold ring leupold scope, with capped MOA turrets. I was pretty much laughed at by the BIG DOG AGENCIES, with the cool guy stuff.

The instructors just shook their heads, one stated he had never had anybody show up with something like this scope. One of the instructors actuall took his scope off his rifle for me to use.

I refused but I was honored the instructor would do such a thing. 45 guys in the class. I had a beard, wore OD green pants, a tan uniform top, and a low slung 1911, with four 10 round mags. Everybody else had cool,guy camo on. I stood out like a sore thumb.

I also only had 500 rounds of match grade 308, the class flyer called for 500 so that’s what the agency ordered and provided. ” we actually need 800″ on the newer class requirements.

I was shooting an old clapped out Remington 700 with a Krieger barrel with roughly 10k thru it. The barrel was clapped out.

I shot this rifle every day, while on patrol, EVERYDAY. I knew the rifle, the scope, I shot is 110 degree weather and -20 below weather, up hill down hill. In huge wind, and I would shoot out to 1200y, not the standard 100y standard.

Nobody wanted to,partner with me the first day, so I shot on my own, which is how I worked, was use to,doing all the duties of sniper ship by myself, got very proficient.

275 round the first day. My rifle my scope my kit purred like a kitten, I did my best, I was polite I listened to the city slickers helpful tips. Even shook my head up and down like I just discovered fire for the first time.

After noon the instructors were keeping a close eye on me, smiling and having instructor meetings, and pointing at me. I was beginning to,think I had a third eye or something wierd. I was rocking it, I was clearly in the top 2 percent of the class.

I ran out of bullets by end of day two. I was embarrassed, when I had to tell the instructors I had already shot my 500 rounds. I then showed then the class flyer we had received and the fact that it called for 500 rounds.

I came back to my table after lunch and their was a 1000 rounds of federal match grade 175 g ammo. I never learned where it came from, and I tried to pay for it, not ecptable. I was greatful.

I had not been shooting mthe 175 g bullets, but the 168 g match grade rifle, a huge difference, my dope cards were for the 168 match kings. So I had to compensate. I was allowed to shoot across a digital crono, to learn my a real bullet speed.

I made close friends that week, life long friends, all world class shooters, some from police agencies, some from tier one military groups, some from three letter agencies. In fact many years later I learned that the guys in that class all kicked in and purchased that 1000 rounds of ammo for me, out of their own pockets. I was honored.

I shot 42nd out of 45 that first class. I was voted most improved, which I stood up,and turned down. Their were kids in the class who made dramatic improvements, they deserved that title.

Over beers with the instructors, we became life long friends. They still come to my area yearly shooting, they stay with me. We have a ball.

I still have that old ” gold ring” scope on one of my older sniper rifles, I will always have that scope. It will go to my son when I’m gone.

I don’t want to drop names but two of the guys are lead instructors with Viking Tactical shooting. Ram by some Delta Troopers.

And one is now lead instructor with ATN a night vision company. He training up troops and cops on the new ” white light” NODS and IR gear the new generation stuff, like the four to two NODS seen being used by DevGru, Team 6.

I’ve offered all of you a seat in a class were doing here first week of May. Got some SF boys coming in to teach a class, over the weekend. I’m hoping to also provide a night shoot for the class, and local agencies, to shoot the NEW white Light NODS and IR.

The guys who,build my rifles ” Northwest Rifle Actions” are providing a couple rifles with the long distant nODS and IR scopes mounted, for some comprehensive night shooting.

The class isn’t cheap, but I think worth it. 400/500 dollars, if you want to come your welcome to stay at my home. To help keep costs down for,you.

If your interested go over to a site named ” Mountain Guerrilla” web site, the guys nick name is John Mosbey, he has a fantastic reputation for no non sense training.

Sorry to be long winded.

Dirk

Statistics: Posted by Dirk Williams — Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:02 pm


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Guns • Re: Mil, MOA or inches?

March 23, 2017 Dirk Williams 0

Old shooter here, early on we did MOA, two of my high end sniper rifles wear high end Schmidt & Bender PMII scopes, it’s what I know. I also shoot other rifles with the new Vortex Gen II scopes which are MRAD the 4.5x27x56 EBR-2C scopes. Cool kit! Have three now on long range guns, as I can’t justify purchasing the S&B PMIIs after I retired.

My group, decided to break away from the MOA scopes, to the MRAD to learn. We have set up our shoot computers to put the distance Dope out in either or, with one click.

We also have older Super Sniper scopes these are fixed power in 10 and 16 power. For the money, not a bad scope at all. These scopes are mildot. These scopes give me more trouble then any other. I just forget the formula’s and how to,measure with the Dots.

Frankly I need to be up to,speed on the MilDot system as their are a metric ton of those systems in the world.”

It’s my understanding ” and I could be wrong” but doesn’t the ” inch” is in reference to the actual scope tube size? I’m having a brain fa-t, and can’t remember.

Regardless of what scope your using, become informed on what you have. Don’t care if it’s a fifty dollar scope, or a 4 k scope, at the end of the day, it’s the guy driving the rifle and scope that is the difference.

I attended my first tru LEO sniper basic school with a gold ring leupold scope, with capped MOA turrets. I was pretty much laughed at by the BIG DOG AGENCIES, with the cool guy stuff.

The instructors just shook their heads, one stated he had never had anybody show up with something like this scope. One of the instructors actuall took his scope off his rifle for me to use.

I refused but I was honored the instructor would do such a thing. 45 guys in the class. I had a beard, wore OD green pants, a tan uniform top, and a low slung 1911, with four 10 round mags. Everybody else had cool,guy camo on. I stood out like a sore thumb.

I also only had 500 rounds of match grade 308, the class flyer called for 500 so that’s what the agency ordered and provided. ” we actually need 800″ on the newer class requirements.

I was shooting an old clapped out Remington 700 with a Krieger barrel with roughly 10k thru it. The barrel was clapped out.

I shot this rifle every day, while on patrol, EVERYDAY. I knew the rifle, the scope, I shot is 110 degree weather and -20 below weather, up hill down hill. In huge wind, and I would shoot out to 1200y, not the standard 100y standard.

Nobody wanted to,partner with me the first day, so I shot on my own, which is how I worked, was use to,doing all the duties of sniper ship by myself, got very proficient.

275 round the first day. My rifle my scope my kit purred like a kitten, I did my best, I was polite I listened to the city slickers helpful tips. Even shook my head up and down like I just discovered fire for the first time.

After noon the instructors were keeping a close eye on me, smiling and having instructor meetings, and pointing at me. I was beginning to,think I had a third eye or something wierd. I was rocking it, I was clearly in the top 2 percent of the class.

I ran out of bullets by end of day two. I was embarrassed, when I had to tell the instructors I had already shot my 500 rounds. I then showed then the class flyer we had received and the fact that it called for 500 rounds.

I came back to my table after lunch and their was a 1000 rounds of federal match grade 175 g ammo. I never learned where it came from, and I tried to pay for it, not ecptable. I was greatful.

I had not been shooting mthe 175 g bullets, but the 168 g match grade rifle, a huge difference, my dope cards were for the 168 match kings. So I had to compensate. I was allowed to shoot across a digital crono, to learn my a real bullet speed.

I made close friends that week, life long friends, all world class shooters, some from police agencies, some from tier one military groups, some from three letter agencies. In fact many years later I learned that the guys in that class all kicked in and purchased that 1000 rounds of ammo for me, out of their own pockets. I was honored.

I shot 42nd out of 45 that first class. I was voted most improved, which I stood up,and turned down. Their were kids in the class who made dramatic improvements, they deserved that title.

Over beers with the instructors, we became life long friends. They still come to my area yearly shooting, they stay with me. We have a ball.

I still have that old ” gold ring” scope on one of my older sniper rifles, I will always have that scope. It will go to my son when I’m gone.

I don’t want to drop names but two of the guys are lead instructors with Viking Tactical shooting. Ram by some Delta Troopers.

And one is now lead instructor with ATN a night vision company. He training up troops and cops on the new ” white light” NODS and IR gear the new generation stuff, like the four to two NODS seen being used by DevGru, Team 6.

I’ve offered all of you a seat in a class were doing here first week of May. Got some SF boys coming in to teach a class, over the weekend. I’m hoping to also provide a night shoot for the class, and local agencies, to shoot the NEW white Light NODS and IR.

The guys who,build my rifles ” Northwest Rifle Actions” are providing a couple rifles with the long distant nODS and IR scopes mounted, for some comprehensive night shooting.

The class isn’t cheap, but I think worth it. 400/500 dollars, if you want to come your welcome to stay at my home. To help keep costs down for,you.

If your interested go over to a site named ” Mountain Guerrilla” web site, the guys nick name is John Mosbey, he has a fantastic reputation for no non sense training.

Sorry to be long winded.

Dirk

Statistics: Posted by Dirk Williams — Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:02 pm