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General Food Topics • Re: storing food without climate control

April 21, 2017 NJMike 0

For smaller scale use, I’ve tried the clay garden pot within a much larger pot, with damp sand in between and a damp towel on top. It definitely keeps the items in the smaller pot much cooler in hot weather.

Found a related article (there are others out there too):
http://graywolfsurvival.com/2874/keep-f … zeer-pots/

In terms of commercial products, this is something to keep an eye on, although I’d almost bet it uses the science in the 3rd world example
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/busi … -cool.html

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April 20, 2017 sageprice 0

Traditional food preserving such as salting, dehydrating and canning all store well in root cellar environments. Don’t think it take a full blown cellar to store preserved food. Larger cellars are good for seasonal crops such as cabbage, apples and squash, jugs of cider and beer store well in the approximate 45-50% degrees of root cellars. Build 2 and make one a cool spot in the summer. :)

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April 20, 2017 sageprice 0

Traditional food preserving such as salting, dehydrating and canning all store well in root cellar environments. Don’t think it take a full blown cellar to store preserved food. Larger cellars are good for seasonal crops such as cabbage, apples and squash, jugs of cider and beer store well in the approximate 45-50% degrees of root cellars. Build 2 and make one a cool spot in the summer. :)

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April 20, 2017 Grizbrb 0

Back to the question on food in the storage building . Get you a lot of pipe. At lest 100′ of 3 or 4 inch preferred . Bury the pipe below your frost line with one end sticking out of the ground down hill of the building and the other end in the floor of the building . You will need a vent in the top of the building . This should draw air from the outside into the pipe at ground level bringing ground temp air ( 45/58 degrees) into the building .
Some important things . No dips in the buried pipe or you will trap water from condensation . If for some reason the pipe does not draw add a bilge vent fan to the floor end of the pipe and a solar panel system . This gives you a passive temp moderator .

Statistics: Posted by Grizbrb — Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:24 am


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April 20, 2017 Grizbrb 0

Back to the question on food in the storage building . Get you a lot of pipe. At lest 100′ of 3 or 4 inch preferred . Bury the pipe below your frost line with one end sticking out of the ground down hill of the building and the other end in the floor of the building . You will need a vent in the top of the building . This should draw air from the outside into the pipe at ground level bringing ground temp air ( 45/58 degrees) into the building .
Some important things . No dips in the buried pipe or you will trap water from condensation . If for some reason the pipe does not draw add a bilge vent fan to the floor end of the pipe and a solar panel system . This gives you a passive temp moderator .

Statistics: Posted by Grizbrb — Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:24 am


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April 20, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
JayJay wrote:

rebnavy1862 wrote:

oldasrocks wrote:We get food grade 5 gallon buckets from a chinese restaurant for free. They smell like soy sauce. You need to build a cave with a hidden entrance.

Get 5 gallon buckets from grocery store bakeries. They smell like vanilla. Most places are free, but Walmart charges a dollar.
Reb

Oh, man. A few years ago when I started using the buckets, the WM here wouldn’t even sell them. I was told they were given back to the provider??
I’ll need to ask. I like the 2/3 gallon buckets for heavy sugar.

Check with local restaurants and Deli’s as well…Pretty easy to get food grade 5 gal buckets.
They get a lot of them and if not on a grand scale like WM are more likely to not be returning them to supplier…

Most likely they’ll smell like pickles. ;)

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April 20, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
JayJay wrote:

rebnavy1862 wrote:

oldasrocks wrote:We get food grade 5 gallon buckets from a chinese restaurant for free. They smell like soy sauce. You need to build a cave with a hidden entrance.

Get 5 gallon buckets from grocery store bakeries. They smell like vanilla. Most places are free, but Walmart charges a dollar.
Reb

Oh, man. A few years ago when I started using the buckets, the WM here wouldn’t even sell them. I was told they were given back to the provider??
I’ll need to ask. I like the 2/3 gallon buckets for heavy sugar.

Check with local restaurants and Deli’s as well…Pretty easy to get food grade 5 gal buckets.
They get a lot of them and if not on a grand scale like WM are more likely to not be returning them to supplier…

Most likely they’ll smell like pickles. ;)

Statistics: Posted by DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE — Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:01 am


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April 20, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
JayJay wrote:

rebnavy1862 wrote:

oldasrocks wrote:We get food grade 5 gallon buckets from a chinese restaurant for free. They smell like soy sauce. You need to build a cave with a hidden entrance.

Get 5 gallon buckets from grocery store bakeries. They smell like vanilla. Most places are free, but Walmart charges a dollar.
Reb

Oh, man. A few years ago when I started using the buckets, the WM here wouldn’t even sell them. I was told they were given back to the provider??
I’ll need to ask. I like the 2/3 gallon buckets for heavy sugar.

Check with local restaurants and Deli’s as well…Pretty easy to get food grade 5 gal buckets.
They get a lot of them and if not on a grand scale like WM are more likely to not be returning them to supplier…

Most likely they’ll smell like pickles. ;)

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April 20, 2017 JayJay 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:

oldasrocks wrote:We get food grade 5 gallon buckets from a chinese restaurant for free. They smell like soy sauce. You need to build a cave with a hidden entrance.

Get 5 gallon buckets from grocery store bakeries. They smell like vanilla. Most places are free, but Walmart charges a dollar.
Reb

Oh, man. A few years ago when I started using the buckets, the WM here wouldn’t even sell them. I was told they were given back to the provider??
I’ll need to ask. I like the 2/3 gallon buckets for heavy sugar.

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April 20, 2017 JayJay 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:

oldasrocks wrote:We get food grade 5 gallon buckets from a chinese restaurant for free. They smell like soy sauce. You need to build a cave with a hidden entrance.

Get 5 gallon buckets from grocery store bakeries. They smell like vanilla. Most places are free, but Walmart charges a dollar.
Reb

Oh, man. A few years ago when I started using the buckets, the WM here wouldn’t even sell them. I was told they were given back to the provider??
I’ll need to ask. I like the 2/3 gallon buckets for heavy sugar.

Statistics: Posted by JayJay — Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:46 pm


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April 20, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
oldasrocks wrote:
We get food grade 5 gallon buckets from a chinese restaurant for free. They smell like soy sauce. You need to build a cave with a hidden entrance.

Get 5 gallon buckets from grocery store bakeries. They smell like vanilla. Most places are free, but Walmart charges a dollar.
Reb

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April 20, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
oldasrocks wrote:
We get food grade 5 gallon buckets from a chinese restaurant for free. They smell like soy sauce. You need to build a cave with a hidden entrance.

Get 5 gallon buckets from grocery store bakeries. They smell like vanilla. Most places are free, but Walmart charges a dollar.
Reb

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April 19, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
rickdun wrote:

rebnavy1862 wrote:“2 inch bong” Was that a Freudian slip or did you mean “bung”?

HEE, HEE, HEE, your a hoot Reb.

I don’t care who your are, now them there words of Reb’s are funny.

Dope on a rope.

Now, what does freudian mean, I only went to 8th grade.

tooo much Gallo wine – a skinless frankfurter – and a guy that will forever sing soprano

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April 19, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
rickdun wrote:

rebnavy1862 wrote:“2 inch bong” Was that a Freudian slip or did you mean “bung”?

HEE, HEE, HEE, your a hoot Reb.

I don’t care who your are, now them there words of Reb’s are funny.

Dope on a rope.

Now, what does freudian mean, I only went to 8th grade.

tooo much Gallo wine – a skinless frankfurter – and a guy that will forever sing soprano

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April 19, 2017 rickdun 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
“2 inch bong” Was that a Freudian slip or did you mean “bung”?

HEE, HEE, HEE, your a hoot Reb.

I don’t care who your are, now them there words of Reb’s are funny.

Dope on a rope.

Now, what does freudian mean, I only went to 8th grade.

Statistics: Posted by rickdun — Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:34 pm


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April 19, 2017 rickdun 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
“2 inch bong” Was that a Freudian slip or did you mean “bung”?

HEE, HEE, HEE, your a hoot Reb.

I don’t care who your are, now them there words of Reb’s are funny.

Dope on a rope.

Now, what does freudian mean, I only went to 8th grade.

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April 19, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
PREPPEDVET wrote:
got any idea what the food grade barrels run average? also, the only food grade barrels im seeing around this area are from liquids and they just have a 2 inch bong instead of a full screw on lid

They sell for around $25. I buy them by the tractor trailer load and sell them for $22. Look for food repackagers in the large cities. It is the standard world-wide shipping container.

“2 inch bong” :?:? Was that a Freudian slip or did you mean “bung”?
Reb :D

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April 19, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
PREPPEDVET wrote:
got any idea what the food grade barrels run average? also, the only food grade barrels im seeing around this area are from liquids and they just have a 2 inch bong instead of a full screw on lid

They sell for around $25. I buy them by the tractor trailer load and sell them for $22. Look for food repackagers in the large cities. It is the standard world-wide shipping container.

“2 inch bong” :?:? Was that a Freudian slip or did you mean “bung”?
Reb :D

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April 19, 2017 rebnavy1862 0

You can bury a scrapped chest freezer partially in the ground and cover the top half with straw bales. Plastic food grade barrels with screw on lids can be done the same way. Pick a spot with northern exposure. Caulk the inside seams of the freezer box with silicone to prevent water entry.
I sell such barrels, but I am in Virginia. Check Craig’s List for your area.
Reb

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April 19, 2017 rebnavy1862 0

You can bury a scrapped chest freezer partially in the ground and cover the top half with straw bales. Plastic food grade barrels with screw on lids can be done the same way. Pick a spot with northern exposure. Caulk the inside seams of the freezer box with silicone to prevent water entry.
I sell such barrels, but I am in Virginia. Check Craig’s List for your area.
Reb

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April 19, 2017 PREPPEDVET 0

I know the main rule to long term food storage and it staying fit for consumption is light and temperature. I recently bought some off-grid property in the middle of no where. It has every type of resource needed except there is literally no electricity or running water anywhere near it. closest electric pole is 1/2 mile away, same with water. which is both good and bad. Eventually, I’ll have both ran to the property but that’s years away. My question is, I’m gonna have to move my food supplies to a storage building on the property I built but I’m concerned about the temperatures affecting shelf life. Here in the midwest, we get all the extremes, summer heat can reach 110+, winter, we can get down below 0 degrees F. Obviously, I am insulating this building quite well but was curious if anyone else had tried to store non-perishables in such conditions and what the results/problems ran into were?

I also have the idea to possibly build an old style/fashion root cellar. However, the water table is somewhat high despite being on a hill (lots of streams and natural springs). so I can’t go real deep, so I was considering an above ground root cellar built into one of the spurs of the hill.

Thoughts?

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April 19, 2017 PREPPEDVET 0

I know the main rule to long term food storage and it staying fit for consumption is light and temperature. I recently bought some off-grid property in the middle of no where. It has every type of resource needed except there is literally no electricity or running water anywhere near it. closest electric pole is 1/2 mile away, same with water. which is both good and bad. Eventually, I’ll have both ran to the property but that’s years away. My question is, I’m gonna have to move my food supplies to a storage building on the property I built but I’m concerned about the temperatures affecting shelf life. Here in the midwest, we get all the extremes, summer heat can reach 110+, winter, we can get down below 0 degrees F. Obviously, I am insulating this building quite well but was curious if anyone else had tried to store non-perishables in such conditions and what the results/problems ran into were?

I also have the idea to possibly build an old style/fashion root cellar. However, the water table is somewhat high despite being on a hill (lots of streams and natural springs). so I can’t go real deep, so I was considering an above ground root cellar built into one of the spurs of the hill.

Thoughts?

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General Food Topics • Re: Red Feather Canned Butter

April 19, 2017 Christy 0

I have paid more than that, so that is a good price, Yoders bacon and the canned cheese are better than I can can up. You could always do the canning butter in a jar thing (that’s an iffy thing for sure, do it in your pressure canner, not your oven), but when it’s all said and done, the Red Feather butter is just as good and price wise it’s cheaper than doing it yourself.

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April 19, 2017 Christy 0

I have paid more than that, so that is a good price, Yoders bacon and the canned cheese are better than I can can up. You could always do the canning butter in a jar thing (that’s an iffy thing for sure, do it in your pressure canner, not your oven), but when it’s all said and done, the Red Feather butter is just as good and price wise it’s cheaper than doing it yourself.

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April 18, 2017 anita 0

I just opened my first can, as it is getting old and I’m not moving it.

I’ll just say that as a Food Science major who was on the Dairy Products Judging Team (I know, almost as prestigious as Penn State Football in its day!) it isn’t the best butter. But it is butter, and if I didn’t have such finely honed taste buds, it would be fine. :smartass:

(Where is the snark emoji??)

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April 18, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I’ve heard some really good things about the Red Feather butter. I’d like to get some and give it a try. It would be nice to have some on hand and not have to worry about keeping it cold, either refrigerated or frozen. I do love me some butter! It makes everything better. ;)

Can anyone recommend a good place to purchase this without breaking the bank. It does look pretty expensive. The best price I have been able to find is $130 for a case of 24/12 oz. cans, making it $5.42 per can. Has anyone bought it cheaper than that recently? If so, where?

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April 18, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I’ve heard some really good things about the Red Feather butter. I’d like to get some and give it a try. It would be nice to have some on hand and not have to worry about keeping it cold, either refrigerated or frozen. I do love me some butter! It makes everything better. ;)

Can anyone recommend a good place to purchase this without breaking the bank. It does look pretty expensive. The best price I have been able to find is $130 for a case of 24/12 oz. cans, making it $5.42 per can. Has anyone bought it cheaper than that recently? If so, where?

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General Food Topics • Re: New:Black Bean Burger Mix!

April 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

I would avoid this product as a serving has 120 calories and 460 mg of sodium. You get around 5% of your caloric needs, but 19% of your daily sodium. I have tried this product and the taste is not bad for bean burgers. A single serving is not going to satisfy anyone, other than a seventy pound dedicated lettuce eater.

A soy TVP is a better choice for long term storage and you can season it yourself. Lentils is the best alternative I have found for those not wanting meat. Really easy to make and lentils store well. Swamp

http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/food … il-burgers

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April 15, 2017 rickdun 0
farmer_dude48 wrote:
I didn’t really know where to put this , but has anybody tried the free 72 hr emergency food supply add yet?? Is it worth it or just a scam??
Thanks Dave

Farmer, I have, not bad, just high is sodium and you can taste the salt, but if SHTF, you’ll be sweating it out from el-manual labor any way.

We actually have 5 (free) 72 hour kits, just pay shipping. Everytime I see it advertised on the FOX channel, I order another one. Just order the sixth one yesterday.

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General Food Topics • Re: Sour Dough Starter

April 3, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Last Friday was pizza night as every Friday night is in our household.

Tried using the starter made with beer and using beer instead of milk . . . what a disaster. It was so bad, I ate one slice, picked the shrimp off the rest of the pizza and gave the rest to the chickens the next day.
That is how bad it was.

For pizza dough, stick with milk or half milk and half water.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:22 am