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January 27, 2017 Cast Iron 0
handyman777 wrote:
The lady on the plane was VERY entertaining, I did feel sorry for her husband.
Its hard to believe that there are people out there like that, but I’m starting to see it more and more.

I feel it is the division in the country we are seeing.

It was bad before and appears to be getting worse.

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January 27, 2017 RayMac1963 0
terrapin wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:I’m not quite sure how i feel about that statistic.

Ray, I too am not quite sure…
since I don’t believe it. :shakeno:
1/3? :rofl: 1/3 of the entire value of the U.S.?
Is that what you’re saying?

Holy Moly! :crazy:

Well, the quote was actually “1/3 of the U.S. population, but the thread headline cut it off :ouch:

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January 26, 2017 daaswampman 0
Gunns wrote:

daaswampman wrote:Read Dave Ramsey’s books! Then get out of debt and pay yourself first, before you know it, you will be a millionaire. Real wealth is not how much you make, but how much you have kept. Swamp

Roger that. The wife and I saved as much as we could, living very frugal. People didn’t like coming to our house because it did not have all the luxury trappings they were accustomed to. Our family and friends had toys, snowmobiles, minibikes, motorcycles, boats, cabins, expensive vacations, etc and they were in debt up to the eyeballs. We had NONE of that.

Now we are debt free and I am 59 1/2 and retired. Well semi retired, the company I last worked for brought me in part time as a contractor, I call my own hours.

So all those family and friends are tinkled I am retired and they need to work into their 70’s and beyond.

That is pretty much how I did it. Always lived on less than I made and now they can’t understand why I can pay cash for what I want. I will admit it rubs me the wrong way when some fecalhole tells me how lucky I am or that it just can’t be done.

Now my biggest problem (drum roll please and a few sniffles would be nice) is getting used to spending and how to leave some to the kids. Money can’t buy happiness, but a new 911 seems to ease the pain! Swamp

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 26, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
Gunns wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

This is getting old PS. The pipeline is NOT going through any Indian reservation and is miles south of the reservation. Your facts are lies. Plus if you had done any research at all you would see the organizers of the protests are taking marching orders from Warren Buffet. Buffet makes Billions per year transporting that oil over his trains and he would lose all that. So its all about the money and you are all about the hate.

PS is getting as old as PMS.
Reb

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January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
RayMac1963 wrote:

Gunns wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:Its the chicken and the egg Gunns. You work to “get” stuff, has turned into, you work to pay for the stuff you got. You’re now a slave to the property you think you own, but who is the master and who owns who? The only way to win is not to play.

Say what? I am slave to nothing and no one. I own my homestead. Not to play is to be the fool.

No Guns! i mean you DIDN”T play the consumer game, so you’re not a slave. Hence you retired and are scott free. You won.

Vocal inflection is completely lost on the internet.

I wasn’t upset. Was hoping I misunderstood, that is why I said Say What? We are good.

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January 26, 2017 RayMac1963 0
Gunns wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:Its the chicken and the egg Gunns. You work to “get” stuff, has turned into, you work to pay for the stuff you got. You’re now a slave to the property you think you own, but who is the master and who owns who? The only way to win is not to play.

Say what? I am slave to nothing and no one. I own my homestead. Not to play is to be the fool.

No Guns! i mean you DIDN”T play the consumer game, so you’re not a slave. Hence you retired and are scott free. You won.

Vocal inflection is completely lost on the internet.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

This is getting old PS. The pipeline is NOT going through any Indian reservation and is miles south of the reservation. Your facts are lies. Plus if you had done any research at all you would see the organizers of the protests are taking marching orders from Warren Buffet. Buffet makes Billions per year transporting that oil over his trains and he would lose all that. So its all about the money and you are all about the hate.

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January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
RayMac1963 wrote:
Its the chicken and the egg Gunns. You work to “get” stuff, has turned into, you work to pay for the stuff you got. You’re now a slave to the property you think you own, but who is the master and who owns who? The only way to win is not to play.

Say what? I am slave to nothing and no one. I own my homestead. Not to play is to be the fool.

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January 26, 2017 RayMac1963 0
daaswampman wrote:
Money does not buy happiness, but neither does poverty!

I would be happy with a Gregory Baltoro 75 backpack, an Xventure trailer, a Springfield XDS in 9mm, a Honda EU2000 gen set, and a powerful 60 watt folding solar panel and since money can buy me those, I reject your statement Swamp, and adopt my “Alternative facts”. :p

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January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
daaswampman wrote:
Read Dave Ramsey’s books! Then get out of debt and pay yourself first, before you know it, you will be a millionaire. Real wealth is not how much you make, but how much you have kept. Swamp

Roger that. The wife and I saved as much as we could, living very frugal. People didn’t like coming to our house because it did not have all the luxury trappings they were accustomed to. Our family and friends had toys, snowmobiles, minibikes, motorcycles, boats, cabins, expensive vacations, etc and they were in debt up to the eyeballs. We had NONE of that.

Now we are debt free and I am 59 1/2 and retired. Well semi retired, the company I last worked for brought me in part time as a contractor, I call my own hours.

So all those family and friends are tinkled I am retired and they need to work into their 70’s and beyond.

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January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
daaswampman wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:Money can’t buy happiness, but it sure can fly, drive, otherwise carry you closer to where you can be happy.

So true! I feel so sorry for the throngs of rich people silently suffering. because there is nothing they have to do! One endless day after another – kicking back and doing what they want. Sorry I have to go now, this is really getting to me, sympathy and all that crap! Swamp

I have always said “Money can’t buy you love, but it can get so close you won’t care”.

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January 26, 2017 daaswampman 0
RayMac1963 wrote:
Money can’t buy happiness, but it sure can fly, drive, otherwise carry you closer to where you can be happy.

So true! I feel so sorry for the throngs of rich people silently suffering. because there is nothing they have to do! One endless day after another – kicking back and doing what they want. Sorry I have to go now, this is really getting to me, sympathy and all that crap! Swamp

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January 25, 2017 daaswampman 0

I would also slash Social Security. I would look at the persons personal wealth and if they have the money, stop their SS payments. Tough choice to make but what the heck. I have two brothers that don’t take theirs and those same two could get disability from the Military and do NOT.

If you have earned it, then it should be a personal choice. What they need to do is dump everyone on Social Security that never worked or paid into the system. At the same time it needs to be phased out and responsibility shifted to the individual! I cannot remember how many times I have heard people use Social Security as an excuse not to save or keep working. Swamp

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January 25, 2017 daaswampman 0

If you can afford it – why not? What is wrong with being successful? Those who can’t will always be whining about those who did! I hear the same crap because I have a BOL and it is not because I was lucky! No apologies to anyone, because I am no longer struggling to make ends meet.

I have a good friend that inherited a lot of money and I hear people badmouth that all the time. All it proves is his family was more successful then those who don’t have a dime to leave their children. There is no virtue in being rich and there sure as hell ain’t any in being poor. Swamp

Money does not buy happiness, but neither does poverty!

Anyone who thinks money can’t buy happiness does not know where to shop!

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January 25, 2017 daaswampman 0
donba wrote:
Swamp I think you are wrong. As more people go back to work, things will change in some areas. Granted you will never change the older died in the wool libs. But the younger, will see the writing on the wall, as will the left leaning independent.

If they are young and motivated, then they should move! Swamp

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January 25, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
RayMac1963 wrote:
If i ever hit the lottery i’m getting one. And Reb, if you come put horse diapers down my vent, I’m gonna make you climb down there scrub it clean with a tooth brush! :x Imma be the old man standing on his lawn shaking his fist at you d@mn kids…

USED horse diapers! They come with a natural caulking material that insures a good airtight seal. :D
Reb

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January 25, 2017 RayMac1963 0
Gunns wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:I didn’t say the cant live. But in suburban Detroit a 4 bed room house will cost you 225k easy. Add all the darn property tax on that and you end up with a 1500 to 2000k a month mortgage. Add 500 bucks for lights, gas, water. Property and auto Insurance is gonna cost you 200 a month in a low crime suburb. A family of four cost what, 700 a month to feed. A working couple needs 2 cars, and even a rusty bucket will cost you in repairs so throw 400 in (thats 2 200 dollar car notes) plus 150 for gas.

Now that 98k turns into 8k a month before taxes the 2016 tax rates make that 98 into 69,200, thats 5766 a month. Take away those expenses and thats around 1800 dollars. Sounds great, but baby need shoes, kids need lunch money, save for collage, retirement, Christmas, vacation or something, and a host of other BS that life throws at you… Guess what? Thats middle class.

Its living, but it ain’t rich.

Ya I get that. The wife and I used to collect bottles and hand them in for popcorn dinner.

You gotta work for every penny saved, you’re clipping coupons and shopping sales, and you’re one good illness of a 90 day lay off away from being upside down. Anybody family from 50k to 100k is in that same boat. It gets easier and you can afford more “toys” as you get to that higher end, but thats still a working stiff. I know a lot of plumbers, carpenters, and electricians that are independent contractors that fall in that category, and nobody that drives a pickup truck, and takes a shower AFTER work would call themselves rich. Those families are the back bone of the country.

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January 25, 2017 rickdun 0

I’m far from being rich, but always had a good paying job once I got out of the corps. Saved every penny I could, never went on vacations, invested in the stock market, had matching funds on my IRA up to 5%, picked up a few extra side jobs, sold some beef and all those pennies added up, retired at age 53 once the youngest left for the corps, been retired for over 12 years now and still saving the pennies.

We have oil hot water heat, but I won’t give them rag heads one red penny, heat with wood and hard coal. I even roll newspapers to heat my garage to save on wood and coal. But like I said, always had a good paying job. We’ve always lived within are means, nothing fancey.

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January 25, 2017 Anna 0

Since I’m pretty well stocked up on most things, I’d buy a lot of meat to can. Beef roasts, pork loins, hams, bacon, whole chickens and boxes extra canning flats. Those would be so nice with all the beans, rice and pasta in my stash. I don’t have a lot of meat canned or frozen on-hand because its so darn expensive. If the store had garden seeds, I’d dump the whole display into the cart letting it fill any empty spot. Nuts, oils and chocolate are always a good choice. Lard keeps well so that also would be a good choice. Thinking about it, boxes of canning jars would be a good long term item to grab although not many would fit into a cart! I guess you could stack them high on top of the food since they are light weight and would be easy to balance with one hand while pushing the cart with the other.

It seems to me most of the grab sweeps are limited to only food items.

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January 25, 2017 catfeet 0

Retirement? Vacation? What are those? We’ll probably never retire (can’t) and I honestly can’t remember the last time we went on a real vacation. Working for a family business is no different than working for any other, except that you are related to the folks the profits go to benefit, and you can see all of the ins and outs on how all the parts work. That, and random conversations tend to be business related. You kinda get immersed in it all.

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January 25, 2017 Anna 0

I try to have winter preps completed by the end of October each year. That includes furnace checked, yearly maintenance on generator, everything I need to hibernate for a month if I need to and arrangements made for driveway to be plowed. I went from December 27 until January 19 without shopping other than picking up milk, sand and ice melt. We had back to back ice events which turned my driveway and sidewalk into an ice rink. Even walking across the grass to the mail box required yak traks which by the way do not work at all on smooth ice rink type of ice. Fortunately, I did not break anything when I fell.

I actually had ice melt and sand but couldn’t find them — until I bought more. Milk I could have easily managed without but since I was going out for ice melt anyway I bought some.

We’re currently in the middle of a blizzard. Forecast was for 3 to 6 inches of snow by tonight, but I shoveled over 6 inches this a.m. and its still snowing. Heavy wet snow. I assume we will get another 3 or so inches. Snow isn’t a problem, but the 35 mph winds moving it around is. Since I retired, hibernation (with my preps) is my primary method of winter survival. It would make me crazy to have to do a panic buying trip to be prepared for a winter storm or any other event.

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January 25, 2017 Gunns 0
anita wrote:

Gunns wrote:–snip–
I would also slash Social Security. I would look at the persons personal wealth and if they have the money, stop their SS payments. Tough choice to make but what the heck. I have two brothers that don’t take theirs and those same two could get disability from the Military and do NOT.

–snip–

i have no problem with them means-testing SS, as long as they give me back all the money we put in. They can even keep the interest that they should have collected (but didn’t). Otherwise, it’s just one more redistribution of wealth. We’ve had enough of that.

I wouldn’t look for them to give it back. I am willing to let them keep it if it means a balanced budget and surplus.

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January 25, 2017 Gunns 0
RayMac1963 wrote:
I didn’t say the cant live. But in suburban Detroit a 4 bed room house will cost you 225k easy. Add all the darn property tax on that and you end up with a 1500 to 2000k a month mortgage. Add 500 bucks for lights, gas, water. Property and auto Insurance is gonna cost you 200 a month in a low crime suburb. A family of four cost what, 700 a month to feed. A working couple needs 2 cars, and even a rusty bucket will cost you in repairs so throw 400 in (thats 2 200 dollar car notes) plus 150 for gas.

Now that 98k turns into 8k a month before taxes the 2016 tax rates make that 98 into 69,200, thats 5766 a month. Take away those expenses and thats around 1800 dollars. Sounds great, but baby need shoes, kids need lunch money, save for collage, retirement, Christmas, vacation or something, and a host of other BS that life throws at you… Guess what? Thats middle class.

Its living, but it ain’t rich.

Ya I get that. The wife and I used to collect bottles and hand them in for popcorn dinner.

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January 25, 2017 RayMac1963 0

I didn’t say the cant live. But in suburban Detroit a 4 bed room house will cost you 225k easy. Add all the darn property tax on that and you end up with a 1500 to 2000k a month mortgage. Add 500 bucks for lights, gas, water. Property and auto Insurance is gonna cost you 200 a month in a low crime suburb. A family of four cost what, 700 a month to feed. A working couple needs 2 cars, and even a rusty bucket will cost you in repairs so throw 400 in (thats 2 200 dollar car notes) plus 150 for gas.

Now that 98k turns into 8k a month before taxes the 2016 tax rates make that 98 into 69,200, thats 5766 a month. Take away those expenses and thats around 1800 dollars. Sounds great, but baby need shoes, kids need lunch money, save for collage, retirement, Christmas, vacation or something, and a host of other BS that life throws at you… Guess what? Thats middle class.

Its living, but it ain’t rich.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich

January 25, 2017 Permafrost 0

A interesting article Cast Iron. Not from a news source I normally read so it was interesting to see. Thank you for posting the link, I have been very busy this time while I have been in town so I have not had a chance to catch up on reading like I wanted to.

I find it amusing that the people who have access to massive amounts of data are looking for a way out, perhaps they see the risk there that should be examined. Part of me wants to take this with a grain of salt since it is probably just risk management for these folks. If you spend 1% of your net worth on risk mitigation and you have billions then even a million is a small amount. After insurance, what else are you going to spend that 1% a year on to mitigate the risk in your life?

I think the best part was at the end, sitting on a beach far from everybody the author said he had no worries or stress and could see the point. This is the essence of prepping to me, to create a stress free lifestyle (or at least try) that gives you security. I have no billions, or even millions, so I found a lifestyle that affords me the peace and serenity that these people have at a fraction of the price. The path will be different for everyone, but the end goal is always the same. To create safety and security in some form that reduces stress in your life and gives you a better ability to survive should the worst happen.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 25, 2017 RayMac1963 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
“Not going back to women’s suffrage”?? Ray, women have the vote. Look up the meaning of “suffrage”.
Reb

:p I know what it means. But you would think Trump was ready to sign the bill the way some of the pink hats were screaming Saturday. There were a lot of normal Women with real issues looking to be heard, but the cameras found far too many of the extreme feminist. On that note, why did the organizers dis-invite the conservative women’s group just because they were pro life? In my mind, if we agree most of the issues, you’re more then welcome. Stand together! That bit just disappointed me. :shakeno:

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January 25, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
BK in KC wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

What does this have to do with prepping PS? I swear, you’d <*female dog*> about Trump in thread about jell-o pudding recipes. You’ve become a parody of Trump Derangement Syndrome, like this lady:

object

Seek professional help.

Isn’t that PS in the tape? I feel sorry for the husband.
Reb

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January 25, 2017 anita 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

Hey, guess what– the pipeline doesn’t go through any reservations!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 … .html?_r=0

Once again, fake news by liberals–or is it alternate “facts” by liberals?

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January 25, 2017 rickdun 0

Survivor Condo, heck, I couldn’t afford to pay rent for the outhouse facilities, let alone the shooting range, swimming pool, dental fees, etc., so I guess I’ll just cut some more firewood to keep warm and for cooking.

Or I could just craw under my school desk like I did in grade school during the 50’s and 60’s.

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