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General Family Preparedness • Re: LDS food supplies

February 19, 2017 MrDanB 0

I went yesterday and picked up everything from powdered milk pouches to beans and potato pearls etc. I got 24 #10 cans plus the milk for 125.00. I did not grow up on it, but, as an adult I have enjoyed it. In fact, I haven’t had anything from there I didn’t like. Beans, rice and pasta are raw. It will taste as good as your cooking skills allow it to be imho. Looking at their order sheet, 95% of everything they offer needs to be cooked, seasoned, other ingredients added etc to make it palatable. A can or sack of oats would taste pretty bland all by itself. A little sugar and raisins and maybe cinnamon or nuts would make it pretty good. I give them a 10 out of 10 for their service too. I walked in, I was greeted in a friendly way and led back to the storehouse, where I produced my order sheet. The gentleman grabbed a cart and loaded it all up for me, rang me up and asked if he could help me out to the truck with it. Super nice people! No lines, no issues and much cheaper than the local supermarkets in my area. You can try it once and if you don’t like it, don’t go back… www.providentliving.org the food places are called “Bishops Storehouse”. Hope that helps someone out there… :)

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General Family Preparedness • Re: LDS food supplies

February 19, 2017 blue fox 0
Lionheart1972 wrote:
We have one in the north Kansas City area. I think they are fantastic. I have used them for many years and have recommended them on numerous occasions. For the price and quality and storability they beat supper markets hands down.

Where did they move to? I know they used to be out off of 210 highway a couple of years ago.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Tattler Lids Question

February 16, 2017 Stahlrosen 0

I’ve had many turn out fine, so don’t know that it has much to do with finger tight as I try to get them all the same, but maybe they are more sensitive. I DO like the tattler lids for all my dry / dehydrated stuff. They work great with the jar sealer.

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February 16, 2017 daaswampman 0

Google Tattler Lid problems! I think most of it is just experience with using them, but there is plenty of complaints about them. May not be the best choice for someone without a good deal of experience or someone not impressed with the technology of 1900. Swamp

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February 16, 2017 Cin 0

I’m pretty sure I did finger-tight – I do it with regular canning.

But maybe I got enthusiastic about what that means, since the little rubber rings were tricksy. :D (Obscure Lord Of The Rings reference)

Hmmm…

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February 16, 2017 NJMike 0

I’ve got one box of tattler lids. Haven’t used them yet. Sorry to hear about the spoilage.

I do as the others with regard to ring tightness (or lack of…). I also inspect the rings well for distortions as I’ve had a few leave indents in the lids during processing.

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February 16, 2017 donba 0

Sometimes staying old school is a good idea. We looked at changing over to tattler lids but didn’t. I say I am frugal the Boss Lady calls it cheep. We don’t can as much as those of you in the country, and would probably not be using them yet. Good luck with this problem….

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February 15, 2017 Stahlrosen 0

I don’t know what went wrong, but I had a similar incident with some canned pears. New lids, new seals, I left the jars on the counter actually for a couple days before I got to them to put them away. All jars sealed fine. About 6mo later I was doing a rotation and noticed the same thing, some of the jars broke seal. It wasn’t just one batch, it was a few jars from each batch. I do the vinegar clean last too. Have no idea what happened, but I sure would like to know so I don’t repeat it! I think we lost 8 or 9 jars of pears :(

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General Family Preparedness • Tattler Lids Question

February 15, 2017 Cin 0

A couple years ago, I canned some stuff with the BRAND NEW Tattler lids and rings – the plastic lids with the rubber ring. At the time, the jars sealed, a definite indentation was seen. They don’t pop like a traditional lid, but the indentation from a sealed and an unsealed lid is pretty prominent.

Husband is decluttering the LTS, and he noticed some of the lids looked “funny.” The food inside looked normal. He brought all the stuff I canned with the Tattler lids into the kitchen, and it was a disaster. Only half of the lids of 24 jars were sealed. The rest were just “sitting” on top of the jars, with a smidge of mold on the rims of some of the jars under the lid.

FYI: The contents were applesauce and jelly. The lids were put in boiling water for a few secondss, as were the rings. The rims were wiped with a cloth with plain water first, and then with a different cloth with vinegar. The cloths were kept clean, if they got a little grungy, I got a new cloth. The filled jars were water bathed for whatever length of time the Ball Blue Book said. We had an empty jar nearby with a lid on it, so we could tell if the indentation happened. Each canned jar had a deeper indentation. We let them sit on the counter for 24 hours before moving them to the LTS.

I have bought Tattler lids every time there was a sale and I think I have enough to can 8 cases of 24…I haven’t even used them all yet!

Do Tattler lids and rings have a shelf life? What went wrong?

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Supermarket Sweep – Prepper style

February 13, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I’ve come to another conclusion……..Ya’ll are CHEATERS! :floppytongue:

There were basically 3 rules:
* you get one cart
* you get 30 minutes
* you have to go to a Supermarket (not a Sams club or WM or Lowes, etc.)

I’m not trying to be the Supermarket Sweep cop, but sometimes it pays to think inside the box or within a certain set of rules. The reasoning was based off the title……SUPERMARKET SWEEP. Some of you may not be familiar with that game, but it took place in a Supermarket. The contestants had an idea of exactly what they were going to do before the game even started b/c they had worked on their strategy beforehand. That’s basically what I was going for. Their goal was to get the most pricey items…….Your goal was to think about what grocery store items you would want in your cart for the long haul with price not really being a consideration. The point was to think about what your local market (Krogers, Aldi, Piggly Wiggly, etc) would have on the shelves that you would be interested in on a quick last minute shopping spree since most people don’t think of a supermarket being their last shopping trip.

There are already lots of threads on APN about what you would buy if SHTF in a big box store. I was trying to avoid that particular conversation and put an interesting twist on it. Buying ammo at WM around here would take you at least half of your allotted time as there’s not always workers around to help you get into the case. Same thing with the WM pharmacy…..you’d be waiting a good long time to get your prescriptions, especially since they may not have been called in previously. Plus our WM is very large……you only have 30 minutes to get your stuff and get to the checkout. That’s not a whole lot of time. Time yourself the next time you go shopping and see how long it takes you to get your basic weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly supplies.

What i really wanted to know was what would you get at your grocery store? Have you thought about it? Perhaps this discussion might encourage you to get some items off that list so you don’t have to worry about it later……and leave room for other things you could put in that last cart. :shakeyes: How about that last banana, orange, bag of cashews, chocolate bar, etc.?? What??? No more chocolate?? :nervous:

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February 12, 2017 beachbrratt 0

Late again to the game. I would go to Walmart. I’d start by going to the trash can isle and getting the big one like most trash companies use. Set in the cart it has to hold more than the cart itself and since I’m already in the home repair isle I’d grab as many rolls of Gorilla tape that they had. Now I’d head to the Auto parts area and grab as many 2-cycle and other various oils and chains for chain saws that will fit under the cart and tape them in. Then onto the outdoor dept. Grab all the guns, ammo, fishing line and hooks now off to the pharmacy area where I’d grab hygiene products, vitamins, pain reliever, pepto, fiber and pharmaceuticals. Now over to the canned meat isle to get all the canned meat (note that the trash can probably still has a third of the original space left) then over to the alcohol isle to snatch up plenty of whiskey (yes to trade mostly) get some trash bags and TP which will probably have to be taped on top) and on the way out at check out, I’d grab all the lighters, lighter fluid, beef jerky, candy and whatever else will fit into the space behind the trash can. Make no mistake, I can pack like no ones business. Those that know how to pack can fit a box in a circle or make room out of a 1 foot hole to fit a 1 1/2 foot item.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Supermarket Sweep – Prepper style

February 10, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
jimLE wrote:
can i take my mom with me,so she can grab a cart as well?? LOL..
my first stop would be camping and sporting goods section.the little propane bottles.the heater that goes on them.large tent,camp shower and camp toilet.bows arrows.fire arms and ammo.paracord.then head over to the pharmacy for pain meds and first aid supplies.right along with anything else needed from there.then on to kitchen supplies.and if i still have any room left.garden supplies.all of that while mom is getting the foods thats needed.. :D

only if the situation allows it – you might be needed to safe guard anyone that’s with you – definitely safe guard moving the cart of goods to your vehicle …. think 3 man teams – two inside and a guy with the vehicle in full combat mode – don’t ever think that looting will be limited to inside the store …

think Black Friday frenzy on steroids – you got lucky enough to get the last Christmas toy craze off the shelf into your cart – but there’s 5 guys willing to fight you getting to the check out counter – that’s last minute shopping in a nutshell …

re-think your Big Box store strategy ….

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February 10, 2017 jimLE 0

can i take my mom with me,so she can grab a cart as well?? LOL..
my first stop would be camping and sporting goods section.the little propane bottles.the heater that goes on them.large tent,camp shower and camp toilet.bows arrows.fire arms and ammo.paracord.then head over to the pharmacy for pain meds and first aid supplies.right along with anything else needed from there.then on to kitchen supplies.and if i still have any room left.garden supplies.all of that while mom is getting the foods thats needed.. :D

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Happy New Year! What are your prepping goals for 2017???

February 10, 2017 jimLE 0

my prepping goals change year to year.because of that.some things remain,while others get deleted when needed.
learn how to cure animal hides.
keep moving forward in preps and life.
get a wood burning stove set-up.
get portable propane tanks..
learn idea locations for looting/scavenging in a shtf situation….
work on my g.h.b./b.o.b..
get more first aid supplies.
learn sewing.
locate my home/property weakness’s and fix them.
build a Faraday cabinet and/or box.
get things for comfort.
improve my knowledge/water/food and other areas that needs it.
get more hand tools.
learn how to Distill/purify water.
build more storage space
improve on my home canning..a slow progress..
Start eating healthier food,started doing that with my home canning..
Become more active.yes i need to..
Watch less TV..already do that..
Become tidier,slow work in progress..
Pick up useful skills or fun hobbies.a work in progress.
Become more organized.working on it..
Learn more cooking skills.already do cook.but learning more recipes,and home canning.
Learn how to be more self-reliant
Start being more creative.already there.but needs improving on..

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General Family Preparedness • Re: LDS food supplies

February 8, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
JC1 wrote:

Mountain mama wrote:

idahobeef wrote:My family is Mormon and has used this stuff for years, sadly much of it you would ONLY want to eat when you were starving. I honestly consider their stuff not edible, but we do have alot of it since its cheap and lasts a long time. Just an honest opinion from someone who’s had to live on it while growing up.

Thanks for that input. That is nice to know!

I have to disagree. I grew up on it too and I use it all the time.

I didn’t understand the comment either … somehow the LDS black & navy beans are poorer quality than from the local food mart ….

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February 8, 2017 Gunns 0
JC1 wrote:

Mountain mama wrote:

idahobeef wrote:My family is Mormon and has used this stuff for years, sadly much of it you would ONLY want to eat when you were starving. I honestly consider their stuff not edible, but we do have alot of it since its cheap and lasts a long time. Just an honest opinion from someone who’s had to live on it while growing up.

Thanks for that input. That is nice to know!

I have to disagree. I grew up on it too and I use it all the time.

Me too. You need to amend it too. Without salt, pepper, honey and other spices nothing tastes good.

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February 8, 2017 JC1 0
Mountain mama wrote:

idahobeef wrote:My family is Mormon and has used this stuff for years, sadly much of it you would ONLY want to eat when you were starving. I honestly consider their stuff not edible, but we do have alot of it since its cheap and lasts a long time. Just an honest opinion from someone who’s had to live on it while growing up.

Thanks for that input. That is nice to know!

I have to disagree. I grew up on it too and I use it all the time.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

February 7, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
Unless I stay glued to the news and believe everything on the tube and social media – absolutely nothing has changed since the election other than lively discussions. I still go to work, shop, etc., etc., and not one damn thing has changed in my life! All I see is Drama Queens running their mouths and acting like the end of the world already happened. If I remember correctly, doom was supposed to happen at the election, and then the inauguration, but nothing much happened other than jaw flapping!

I will admit the POTUS has made no effort to calm the sheep down or allow the snivelers a chance to adjust, but I would guess that is intentional! I would also venture he is not going to stop or back down. As we might say down here – he is pi**ing off all the right people! Swamp

and I suppose you see SOMEWHERE they are giving Prez Trump an opportunity to prove himself and meeting him half way – sorry – but he’s 1,000 times more likely to whack the a-hole over the head with his Big Stick than bend over and kizz azz …

I don’t give a rat’s azz if he ever brings any of the protesting twerps over to his side – don’t need em’

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

February 7, 2017 PREPPEDVET 0
Cast Iron wrote:
The wife and I attended a social function last night. One of her good friends is a life long liberal. Even he was appalled by some of the reactions from the Left.

There are what I think of varying degrees of shades of gray of a given political stance. From the centric, or moderates, to the die hard extreme.

It could be Left or Right. Economic theory. Religion. Etc.

What I find most interesting, and our liberal friend agreed, was those on the Left to claim tolerance, appear to be really intolerant. They are only tolerant if you agree with their side.

There are those on the Right who the same applies too. Although I know a few who will claim they were never tolerant of a number of ideologies. At lest you know where they stand.

As RayMac pointed out, not all of those on the Left are of the melt at a harsh word snowflake types. Some of them appear to be going the armed route.

What I do fear is the continuing hate filled rhetoric I am hearing on MSM is feeding into the populace. The fear too.
The division seems to be getting worse(?).

At some point will we have two sides, armed, opposed to each other?

The other thing I fear is when the Left retakes the WH, what kind of reaction will they have? Based off of some of the things we have seen, protests, riots, etc. will we see a backlash to shut anyone and everyone not Left down?
I keep seeing comparisons of Trump to Nazi Hitler and fascism (by the way, Nazism and fascism are two different things).
I can see the Left going the fascism route in their zeal to put down the “intolerant” Right.

Stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back into you.

I’ve been wondering the same thing. as vet of 12 yrs, I’m seeing things that concern me.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: LDS food supplies

February 7, 2017 PREPPEDVET 0
idahobeef wrote:
My family is Mormon and has used this stuff for years, sadly much of it you would ONLY want to eat when you were starving. I honestly consider their stuff not edible, but we do have alot of it since its cheap and lasts a long time. Just an honest opinion from someone who’s had to live on it while growing up.

good to know. thanks.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Supermarket Sweep – Prepper style

February 6, 2017 rj5156 0

Love this Angie! Coming in late in the game so I benefit from others thoughts of course.

We have a walmart now so I’ll go with what they offer.

Sugar, salt, coffee, lard, tobacco products, reading glasses, lye.

All OTC meds available, high proof drinking alcohol, peroxide, bleach, dental supplies.

Ammunition, knives, fishing line and hooks, refillable lighters and fluid.

Sea sponges, durable fabrics, thread, needles and GOOD scissors.

Solar lights, head lamps, rechargable batteries to fit both.

Glues, tapes, ropes and wires.

Powdered baby formula, milk, gatorade.

Peanut butter, butter, cheese, soap concentrate, oils.

I would fill in with seeds, small hand tools, canning lids, nail clippers, tweezers, small mirrors.

If any more could be crammed in, dry fruit, beans, rice and other grains, peppers and spices that do not grow here.

We actually do the bulk of our shopping in an annual trip. We can pack a cart tighter and higher than anyone I’ve ever seen. I am presuming having my hubby with me, we shop with a list, a route and an order of operation for loading it all.

Taking it in the spirit offered here. This all represents wealth in the form of the most useful barter items I can think of. We are well-supplied for our own needs at this point. I would not pass up some fresh produce though!

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Supermarket Sweep – Prepper style

February 5, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I just wanted to thank all those who participated in this thread. It made me consider a few things and wanted to pass them along as food for thought, especially for any newbies that might be reading this.

Alcohol – get it now if you can! It won’t go bad and it’s only going to get more expensive as time goes on. I’m not tempted to use it since I’m not an alcohol drinker (prefer beer/coolers) but it will be good to have for many reasons. If you have a good spot to store it without worrying about theft or breakage then just add one bottle at a time to your cart every time you go shopping. It adds up quick and doesn’t drain your wallet all at once. Plus, the cashiers won’t look at you with a funny look. :blush: I also have several bottles of wine stashed away too…..

Bulky and heavy items – try and get these items squared away one at a time each time you go to the store. Like TP, salt, sugar, lard, etc…..those items with a fairly unlimited shelf life. Every time I think I already have enough, I start thinking about my extended family members and keep on stockin’ up when things go on sale. I’m one of those people who go into a store to only grab a couple of things and come out with a cart full of stuff b/c I throw in TP or PT if I have room in the cart and it seems like it’s always on sale. I hate buying TP, paper towel, and beer b/c it takes up so much room. But, better to deal with that problem now than to try and deal with it later. Too bad the beer doesn’t have an unlimited shelf life.

I also now have a last minute shopping list in my purse along with some extra cash in a secret pocket, even though I have several CC’s that I could charge a lot on. In the scenario I presented, CC’s would still work but I always have extra cash just in case. I’ve added a few things to my list b/c of this thread and will stock up on some other things the next time I go to town like lighter fluid, crisco, gatorade powder, potato flakes, seasoning packets, and bouillon cubes. I already have that stuff, but I feel the need to pack away more…..and most of it’s pretty cheap especially at a store like Aldi’s. I foresee another full cart (or two) in my very near future. I may have to add yet another addition to my house as my pantry and storage room are already busting out at the seams! :eek:

My list is now arranged in the order of where to go first in our local grocery store, with the less important items last on the list. For me, a specific written map and plan during (what could be) a stressful time makes me feel a little bit more prepared. It forced me to get a bit more familiar with my grocery store as I wouldn’t normally buy baby formula or some other things on my list at that store. I found some interesting things when i really looked at the items on the shelves in a more active way instead of just grabbing my usual items. I also have a few other places in our small town that I would go to that I don’t think many other people would think about. Putting a bit of thought into a situation such as this is kinda fun but could pay big dividends if it was ever actually needed.

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February 5, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I just wanted to thank all those who participated in this thread. It made me consider a few things and wanted to pass them along as food for thought, especially for any newbies that might be reading this.

Alcohol – get it now if you can! It won’t go bad and it’s only going to get more expensive as time goes on. I’m not tempted to use it since I’m not an alcohol drinker (prefer beer/coolers) but it will be good to have for many reasons. If you have a good spot to store it without worrying about theft or breakage then just add one bottle at a time to your cart every time you go shopping. It adds up quick and doesn’t drain your wallet all at once. Plus, the cashiers won’t look at you with a funny look. :blush: I also have several bottles of wine stashed away too…..

Bulky and heavy items – try and get these items squared away one at a time each time you go to the store. Like TP, salt, sugar, lard, etc…..those items with a fairly unlimited shelf life. Every time I think I already have enough, I start thinking about my extended family members and keep on stockin’ up when things go on sale. I’m one of those people who go into a store to only grab a couple of things and come out with a cart full of stuff b/c I throw in TP or PT if I have room in the cart and it seems like it’s always on sale. I hate buying TP, paper towel, and beer b/c it takes up so much room. But, better to deal with that problem now than to try and deal with it later. Too bad the beer doesn’t have an unlimited shelf life.

I also now have a last minute shopping list in my purse along with some extra cash in a secret pocket, even though I have several CC’s that I could charge a lot on. In the scenario I presented, CC’s would still work but I always have extra cash just in case. I’ve added a few things to my list b/c of this thread and will stock up on some other things the next time I go to town like lighter fluid, crisco, gatorade powder, potato flakes, seasoning packets, and bouillon cubes. I already have that stuff, but I feel the need to pack away more…..and most of it’s pretty cheap especially at a store like Aldi’s. I foresee another full cart (or two) in my very near future. I may have to add yet another addition to my house as my pantry and storage room are already busting out at the seams! :eek:

My list is now arranged in the order of where to go first in our local grocery store, with the less important items last on the list. For me, a specific written map and plan during (what could be) a stressful time makes me feel a little bit more prepared. It forced me to get a bit more familiar with my grocery store as I wouldn’t normally buy baby formula or some other things on my list at that store. I found some interesting things when i really looked at the items on the shelves in a more active way instead of just grabbing my usual items. I also have a few other places in our small town that I would go to that I don’t think many other people would think about. Putting a bit of thought into a situation such as this is kinda fun but could pay big dividends if it was ever actually needed.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Supermarket Sweep – Prepper style

February 5, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I just wanted to thank all those who participated in this thread. It made me consider a few things and wanted to pass them along as food for thought, especially for any newbies that might be reading this.

Alcohol – get it now if you can! It won’t go bad and it’s only going to get more expensive as time goes on. I’m not tempted to use it since I’m not an alcohol drinker (prefer beer/coolers) but it will be good to have for many reasons. If you have a good spot to store it without worrying about theft or breakage then just add one bottle at a time to your cart every time you go shopping. It adds up quick and doesn’t drain your wallet all at once. Plus, the cashiers won’t look at you with a funny look. :blush: I also have several bottles of wine stashed away too…..

Bulky and heavy items – try and get these items squared away one at a time each time you go to the store. Like TP, salt, sugar, lard, etc…..those items with a fairly unlimited shelf life. Every time I think I already have enough, I start thinking about my extended family members and keep on stockin’ up when things go on sale. I’m one of those people who go into a store to only grab a couple of things and come out with a cart full of stuff b/c I throw in TP or PT if I have room in the cart and it seems like it’s always on sale. I hate buying TP, paper towel, and beer b/c it takes up so much room. But, better to deal with that problem now than to try and deal with it later. Too bad the beer doesn’t have an unlimited shelf life.

I also now have a last minute shopping list in my purse along with some extra cash in a secret pocket, even though I have several CC’s that I could charge a lot on. In the scenario I presented, CC’s would still work but I always have extra cash just in case. I’ve added a few things to my list b/c of this thread and will stock up on some other things the next time I go to town like lighter fluid, crisco, gatorade powder, potato flakes, seasoning packets, and bouillon cubes. I already have that stuff, but I feel the need to pack away more…..and most of it’s pretty cheap especially at a store like Aldi’s. I foresee another full cart (or two) in my very near future. I may have to add yet another addition to my house as my pantry and storage room are already busting out at the seams! :eek:

My list is now arranged in the order of where to go first in our local grocery store, with the less important items last on the list. For me, a specific written map and plan during (what could be) a stressful time makes me feel a little bit more prepared. It forced me to get a bit more familiar with my grocery store as I wouldn’t normally buy baby formula or some other things on my list at that store. I found some interesting things when i really looked at the items on the shelves in a more active way instead of just grabbing my usual items. I also have a few other places in our small town that I would go to that I don’t think many other people would think about. Putting a bit of thought into a situation such as this is kinda fun but could pay big dividends if it was ever actually needed.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: I saw that Trump’s Cabinet’ net worth is = to a third of

February 1, 2017 Lance 0
Gunns wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:

Gunns wrote:
The top 25% pays the majority and that wage is at $98,000. Top 10% which is still a vast majority of taxes is at $200,000.

So the poor really and majority of the middle class don’t contribute that much.

What is considered middle class? A couple both making 45k to 50k each is living, but they ain’t breaking down no bank doors.

They can’t live and save on $98K. I say BS to that. Too many want the latest iPhone, latest Big screen TV, latest four wheel drive, all the trappings of a credit based society. Plus if you noticed I put in the $200K, top 10% paying the lions share.

So no matter how you slice it the middle class is not being over taxed, well any tax is over taxation. What did I just say? Ahhhhh

You…and only you…can change your station in life. There is no glass ceiling. If you are not making enough to support your life style and savings goals only you can do something about it. Step out and start a new business…add a product line…beat feet on the pavement to find more customers…get more education…or job hop regularly taking advantage of new hire make more money because of a tight job market.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 29, 2017 daaswampman 0

Unless I stay glued to the news and believe everything on the tube and social media – absolutely nothing has changed since the election other than lively discussions. I still go to work, shop, etc., etc., and not one damn thing has changed in my life! All I see is Drama Queens running their mouths and acting like the end of the world already happened. If I remember correctly, doom was supposed to happen at the election, and then the inauguration, but nothing much happened other than jaw flapping!

I will admit the POTUS has made no effort to calm the sheep down or allow the snivelers a chance to adjust, but I would guess that is intentional! I would also venture he is not going to stop or back down. As we might say down here – he is pi**ing off all the right people! Swamp

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 29, 2017 daaswampman 0

How would you feel if they suddenly decided to build one in your back yard? No, it’s not quite hypocritical to want the environment in which you live not to poison you. People protest potential hazards such as this all the time. The only reason it even made a blip on the news is because big oil is involved.

Absolutely delighted! For me it would mean another monthly check for doing absolutely nothing except loosing some damn pine trees! Bring it on! Swamp

Statistics: Posted by daaswampman — Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:57 pm


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January 28, 2017 RayMac1963 0

How come you can’t believe Black lives Matter and not be anti cop? Trust me, racial profiling when interacting with police is NOT a figment of black peoples imagination. Just because i don’t want to be harassed and have my car tossed for Driving While Black, doesn’t mean i want to let gangs loose in the city.

Its not mutually exclusive decision.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 28, 2017 Cast Iron 0

The wife and I attended a social function last night. One of her good friends is a life long liberal. Even he was appalled by some of the reactions from the Left.

There are what I think of varying degrees of shades of gray of a given political stance. From the centric, or moderates, to the die hard extreme.

It could be Left or Right. Economic theory. Religion. Etc.

What I find most interesting, and our liberal friend agreed, was those on the Left to claim tolerance, appear to be really intolerant. They are only tolerant if you agree with their side.

There are those on the Right who the same applies too. Although I know a few who will claim they were never tolerant of a number of ideologies. At lest you know where they stand.

As RayMac pointed out, not all of those on the Left are of the melt at a harsh word snowflake types. Some of them appear to be going the armed route.

What I do fear is the continuing hate filled rhetoric I am hearing on MSM is feeding into the populace. The fear too.
The division seems to be getting worse(?).

At some point will we have two sides, armed, opposed to each other?

The other thing I fear is when the Left retakes the WH, what kind of reaction will they have? Based off of some of the things we have seen, protests, riots, etc. will we see a backlash to shut anyone and everyone not Left down?
I keep seeing comparisons of Trump to Nazi Hitler and fascism (by the way, Nazism and fascism are two different things).
I can see the Left going the fascism route in their zeal to put down the “intolerant” Right.

Stare into the Abyss long enough, the Abyss stares back into you.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sat Jan 28, 2017 9:01 am


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 28, 2017 Mollypup 0
daaswampman wrote:

Mollypup wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

No, perhaps not. But if it leaks it’s going to contaminate water supply, their water supply. And we all know how well such pipelines are maintained, never a leak, no not them. :whistling: Not quite fake news via liberals. I have native family out there protesting thank you very much. Protest that started without any liberals on board.

I support them. Everyone has a right to clean water & the risk of contamination is very real. (maybe more people need to see if their water supply may also be at risk)

All the liberals jumped onto the bandwagon quite a while after it started. Most for publicity. And when it’s settled again, they’ll vanish, just like they always do.

In the meantime, Trump could indeed spark a powder keg with this issue. And it could blow up right in his face. I hope he has some decent minded advisors & he heeds them.

Powder Keg? Over a remote reservation nobody ever heard of and even fewer care about! Sounds like wishful thinking to me. The truth is – if every person on the reservation died tomorrow due to the pipeline, exactly nothing would change except for some fines and a few distant relatives getting some nice checks.

I heard the exact same claims about The Bundy Ranch standoff and then that Oregon bird place holdout! Did anything really change? Is old Bundy out of jail yet? Sure ain’t seen no headlines lately! Swamp

Trump is already being touted as a white supremacist. If it turns violent, libs would use it to their every advantage. Depending upon timing, yes, it could blow up in Trump’s face. And yes, I worry libs will manipulate it into becoming violent. (insert some of those “professional” protesters and it could indeed become a powder keg)

And yes, I support them, and yes I’m aware that there are pipelines all over the place. I’m also aware that they often leak. And given the govts history on giving a damn about such things especially concerning the native population, they certainly won’t be in any rush to clean it up, or to make restitution. And while you, Swamp, may never heard of the reservation, doesn’t mean plenty of others haven’t. Obviously quite a lot have given the liberal attention they’ve drawn.

So for someone saying it’s “hypocritical” to protest a pipeline when using the product………..wouldn’t that also apply to chemical run offs into your drinking water? How about nuclear waste? You know, from those power plants that keep your lights on. How would you feel if they suddenly decided to build one in your back yard? No, it’s not quite hypocritical to want the environment in which you live not to poison you. People protest potential hazards such as this all the time. The only reason it even made a blip on the news is because big oil is involved.

And no, I’m not going to go into a major debate about this particular protest as that wasn’t the reason it was brought into the conversation.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:08 am


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Relocation tips requested…

January 28, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
FussyOldHen wrote:
You’ve gotten a lot of good advice here. Read it all again.

If you’ve been living in SoCal, do you REALLY think you would do well in a much colder, or hotter/far more humid place? What if you’re stuck there FOREVER?

Someone suggested renting for a year or so, and that is a good idea. Just because an area looks good to you doesn’t mean the ‘home folks’ will think the same of you. You’ll be an interloper.

If you’re looking to buy, don’t take anyone’s word for anything, including the quality of the soil. And check all of the local regulations, esp about water. If the place has a watersource, you may not be able to use it, or use the land near it for anything. Check with a local insurance agency to find out what flood zone it’s in; A is bad, B is not quite so bad, C is pretty good, X is best. There’s probably some in between, but those are the basics.

In UT, you may be driven to carrying a weapon because every clerk will ask you the same question: “What ward are you in?” I’ve driven in a good many states, and UT has my vote for having some of the stupidest people driving almost between the lines. No place could touch them until I moved here to WA.

I would advise you to stay away from Effing Stupid Central (WA State). I’ve lived in this pit of despair for 23 very long years, and I’m finally getting out this summer. At least 70% of the people here (maybe more) are the most stupid, ignorant, obnoxious, arrogant, lying, thieving AHs that I’ve ever met. The average local zombie vocabulary has about 100 words in it, certainly not more than 200 (and none of the words have more than two syllables). They can’t think, don’t even know the concept of cause and effect, can’t drive, can barely park, and can’t back up w/o hitting something. Okay, these are the business people! The rest of them are worse.

If there’s meth use in the area (practically the whole state), they will steal everything that isn’t welded down, and if they have darkness and a hacksaw, they’ll take everything that’s welded down, too. NEVER sell a car w/o immediately letting the DMV know about it. The buyers are bad about doing it themselves, plus being lousy drivers, so you don’t want the cops at your door, saying that car ran down a pregnant woman pushing a baby stroller.

You’re not going to find perfect, so you’d better do your homework so you can find something you can live with. Everything is going to be an uphill learning experience. Try to homeschool, if you can; the public school system in the U.S. is the worst of all the industrialized nation, as well as being the most expensive.

lol…Well, I guess WA is out for sure. ;)

Congrats on getting out. Sounds like you’ve been thru the ringer there.

Thank you for the input F.O.H….yes I have gotten AMAZING info here and am EXTREEMLY grateful.

Home school…CHECK and DOUBLE CHECK! That’s been the plan early on…..The missus was a toddler teacher for 16 years and has absolutely been amazing. We’ve seen first hand the curriculum changes coming down the pipe and what is going on in the classrooms….

I know we all say this as parents but our little girl is pretty darn smart for her age… I was adamant about teaching her ASL (sign language) from the start….At 18 months we are having full conversations with her and always know(almost always) exactly what she’s trying to say…… mom.is.amazing.!

Statistics: Posted by DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE — Sat Jan 28, 2017 12:59 am


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 28, 2017 anita 0
Mollypup wrote:

anita wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

Hey, guess what– the pipeline doesn’t go through any reservations!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 … .html?_r=0

Once again, fake news by liberals–or is it alternate “facts” by liberals?

No, perhaps not. But if it leaks it’s going to contaminate water supply, their water supply. And we all know how well such pipelines are maintained, never a leak, no not them. :whistling: Not quite fake news via liberals. I have native family out there protesting thank you very much. Protest that started without any liberals on board.

I support them. Everyone has a right to clean water & the risk of contamination is very real. (maybe more people need to see if their water supply may also be at risk)

All the liberals jumped onto the bandwagon quite a while after it started. Most for publicity. And when it’s settled again, they’ll vanish, just like they always do.

In the meantime, Trump could indeed spark a powder keg with this issue. And it could blow up right in his face. I hope he has some decent minded advisors & he heeds them.

There are pipelines–thousands of them–all over this country. They are safer than shipping via truck or rail.

There was recently a story in our local paper about a mother and daughter who drove to North Dakota to protest. They DROVE!!! They didn’t ride their bikes, they didn’t walk. They DROVE!

These people don’t even understand where the oil and gas they use so freely comes from. They want everyone else to conserve, but they can drive halfway across the country to protest. Hypocrisy at it’s finest.

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January 28, 2017 daaswampman 0
Mollypup wrote:

anita wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

Hey, guess what– the pipeline doesn’t go through any reservations!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 … .html?_r=0

Once again, fake news by liberals–or is it alternate “facts” by liberals?

No, perhaps not. But if it leaks it’s going to contaminate water supply, their water supply. And we all know how well such pipelines are maintained, never a leak, no not them. :whistling: Not quite fake news via liberals. I have native family out there protesting thank you very much. Protest that started without any liberals on board.

I support them. Everyone has a right to clean water & the risk of contamination is very real. (maybe more people need to see if their water supply may also be at risk)

All the liberals jumped onto the bandwagon quite a while after it started. Most for publicity. And when it’s settled again, they’ll vanish, just like they always do.

In the meantime, Trump could indeed spark a powder keg with this issue. And it could blow up right in his face. I hope he has some decent minded advisors & he heeds them.

Powder Keg? Over a remote reservation nobody ever heard of and even fewer care about! Sounds like wishful thinking to me. The truth is – if every person on the reservation died tomorrow due to the pipeline, exactly nothing would change except for some fines and a few distant relatives getting some nice checks.

I heard the exact same claims about The Bundy Ranch standoff and then that Oregon bird place holdout! Did anything really change? Is old Bundy out of jail yet? Sure ain’t seen no headlines lately! Swamp

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 28, 2017 daaswampman 0
RayMac1963 wrote:
I think y’all are mistaking kindness for weakness in these Libs. Some may want free love, harmony, and all kind of social programs, but some are tough as nails and will fight like the dickens.

Perhaps you are right and there are self reliant liberals that have surrounded themselves with other self reliant liberals, but any sign of weakness draws predators! Natural selection and all that! Swamp

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 28, 2017 Mollypup 0
anita wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

Hey, guess what– the pipeline doesn’t go through any reservations!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 … .html?_r=0

Once again, fake news by liberals–or is it alternate “facts” by liberals?

No, perhaps not. But if it leaks it’s going to contaminate water supply, their water supply. And we all know how well such pipelines are maintained, never a leak, no not them. :whistling: Not quite fake news via liberals. I have native family out there protesting thank you very much. Protest that started without any liberals on board.

I support them. Everyone has a right to clean water & the risk of contamination is very real. (maybe more people need to see if their water supply may also be at risk)

All the liberals jumped onto the bandwagon quite a while after it started. Most for publicity. And when it’s settled again, they’ll vanish, just like they always do.

In the meantime, Trump could indeed spark a powder keg with this issue. And it could blow up right in his face. I hope he has some decent minded advisors & he heeds them.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:50 pm


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 28, 2017 BK in KC 0
daaswampman wrote:
Don’t worry – true liberals will not survive long! They will either arm themselves and embrace personal responsibility or be a victim of those who did. Swamp

More likely they’ll victimize each other after SHTF. Those who prepped will not need their meager stuff and those who didn’t prep will find them soft targets. Sheep feeding on sheep.

Statistics: Posted by BK in KC — Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:35 pm


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January 28, 2017 daaswampman 0
LetsPrep11 wrote:
Not just division in the country but in Families. My older son is a diehard Democrat, and worse, has a PhD in Political Science. When he found out that I voted for Trump (actually it was a vote against Hitlary) he sent me an e-mail to say, “I’ll never speak to you again.” He meant it. My first thought was to send him back an e-mail to ask, “What are you five?” Instead, I decided to let him stew in his intolerance and disrespect and didn’t respond at all. It’s like these folks have been infected with some sort of mental illness!

The only thing that worries me about the Libs prepping is that, if the SHTF, more of them will survive. Not such good news.

Don’t worry – true liberals will not survive long! They will either arm themselves and embrace personal responsibility or be a victim of those who did. Swamp

Statistics: Posted by daaswampman — Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:14 pm