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March 23, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

Hollyweird doesn’t get it right too often in the disaster type movies and on TV series … but in regard to this subject they got it 100% correct in the National Geographic American Blackout …

the tag along boyfriend feels sorry for the sheeple neighbors that are looking for a handout – thru his misguided activities he lands up getting the BOL compound invaded by the entire armed neighborhood ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYoXxVn … 0993C1F001

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March 23, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Blondie wrote:

Gunns wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:this exact topic is being currently being discussed on another prepper site – here’s one direct quote response that is just unbelievable ….

“My feeling is, I don’t want to be the last one on the block with food. So I’m trying to be prepared for all of us.”

How would you like to be depending on this stupid silly SOB?

So I assume then the whole block knows about his or her preps? That will be a short lived life.

I have seen Christian ministries selling food storage buckets.

They are targeting seniors/empty nesters who may have some extra $ to spare and don’t want to sit in a community shelter when a storm comes thru.

Their pitch is ” you can do the Lord’s work by feeding your neighbors in hard times”. “And your wayward hoodlum grandson may stop for a meal with his hoodlum friends and you can minister to them, too”!

you know the Christian “turn your cheek”? …. please don’t – you’re not going to like what he hits you with next …..

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March 21, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I look around and assess all those in my community as either assets or a liability.

If you are a bunker bunny, hardcore on OPSEC, unwilling to even talk to me, well then I will just write you off as a lost cause.
If you have family, do not be surprised when after months and months of your quest for ultimate OPSEC, your spouse or children shoot you in the face, poison your dinner, or slip a knife in your back while you sleep.
Really, there are families who now have outlawed the board games Monopoly or Risk at Thanksgiving or Christmas as a result of the onset of violence.

If you live alone, after a year of talking to, arguing with, and in the end, losing the argument with a volleyball, do not be surprised if a community or tribe does not welcome you with open arms.

Better to empower and educate those around you now and community member, than be seen as an standoffish elite hording food in their bunker.

The go it alone wolf mentality is a losing end game.

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March 21, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
NJMike wrote:
My philosophy is I’ll tell people, if I’m comfortable with telling them. I’ll share information with them If I think it will be fruitful. 9/11 and Hurricane Sandy had local impacts. I know many people in different social circles who don’t or won’t self-identify as Preppers, but who definitely prepare to some degree. Curiously we don’t talk prepping in a formal manner. Most people only discuss preparedness in vague general terms. I think many prefer not to disclose too much information. I can respect that, given I’ve been outed by family to other family and their friends on things I kept in the house. I’ve even had a Prepper from a group out me in front of others as a Prepper at a non-prepping public event.

Just saw this comment and had to post here even as I’m late to get my BOV worked on…lol.

I have 2 very close friends, one that seems to be coming around(J) and the other who has millions and I cant get to stock a can of food(M)….. We’ll after 5 years of hitting him “J” has bought a water filter from me, and finally pulled the trigger on an M4 right before the ban here in CA. So I took “J” to the gun show for ammunition and “J” got to see first hand my normal purchase for range practice and supplementing my preps. Walking out with the amount I grabbed that day(Pre CA Ammo registry/bulk purchase for the range) there wasn’t less than 40-50 different folks making whistles or comments about the supply as we walked out to the car(I know the guards so we get to a back gate where people cant ID the vehicle for load up…Just in case ;) )

Anyways, the next day in the office I’m casually talking to “M” about all the money I spent on Christmas presents this year(we’re just discussing this stuff as we’re really close friends and he’s the owner of our company) this year and “M” immediately says “Ya, but $3000 of that was just on ammo for yourself”… :eek: He wasn’t there, I didn’t tell him I was going, and this was less than 24 hours later. :eek:

Floored…..

I immediately went over to address “J” on this and his excuse for such a breach of privacy was “Dude, “M” already knows about what you do.”…….again floored. BECAUSE HE WAS CORRECT. I immediately told him as I failed to do at the show(My bad) that you don’t bring up specifics like that no matter what you think they might know about you and to not do it again please. He hasn’t. But, it goes to show you how quick a slip of the tongue travels for failing to just state the obvious(OPSEC) even to someone you know you can trust….

Again, my “OPSEC” was breached ages ago in my efforts to help others as I didn’t approach it just right, but that one was an eye opener even for me.

If I have a single saving grace(If you can call it that), is that anyone that does know about my preps knows the level of firearms training I have and my “Fun” courses I train at every other weekend running thru about 1000 rounds a month on average….That MIGHT be a deterrent.

Knowing myself though, unless it was a full on long term WROL situation, I’d help them out in a heartbeat…… “J” already knows he’s welcome in that situation…More manpower.

Honestly, there’s a 90% chance we’ll never need these preps IMHO, but we do it for the 10% chance we do….. If the 10% hits, we’re screwed with the choices we’ll be forced to make anyways. BUT, my family will have a 50% chance of better surviving it no matter the OPSEC….again, IMHO. ;)

Some of you might call me daft, but in a WROL situation, what’s left to enjoy if we don’t even make an attempt to bring some good folks along with us? …….. you know, “It takes a village….” and all that.

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March 21, 2017 MoosePath 0

After hearing the dreaded “I will just come to your place” a few times I no longer talk about prepping to anyone. My wife, mother, brother and a couple select friends know and that will be as far as it goes. I never talk about it in public to the people who know I prep because I have no intentions to save the world, just my close friends and family (and even that has it’s limits). That might sound cold and heartless but I am not Bill Gates and I cannot afford to take care of everyone else’s short comings. Convincing my brother to start prepping was my single greatest achievement. I am not sure what finally convinced him, maybe the news stories I would share with him, but even he still needs work. Just this past weekend he broke his eye glasses. Now he is in a tizzy over not having a spare pair. Are you kidding me? Something as important as eye glasses? He still needs work but at least he sees the light (at least when he gets his new eye glasses he will, lol). It would be nice to work with people and get them on the right path but at what risk to yourself? That was my intentions at the beginning but like I said at the beginning of this post after hearing how many people said they just planned on sharing my place (you have to contribute to share last time I looked). That ended my attempts at conversion. Fortunately those that said they would come to my place will be in for a rude awakening because I won’t be there. My BOL location is only known by three people from my inner circle. Good luck to anyone still trying to turn the sheeple because I am done. I imagine there are plenty of snowflakes out there now that have begun to looking into prepping as the sky is falling down around them but again, I have no pity. Just my two cents.

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March 21, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
woodchipper518 wrote:

dmwalsh568 wrote:I point out the FEMA and CDC websites that suggest being prepared and if they aren’t convince I go the insurance route…everyone has home insurance, car insurance, fire insurance, etc. why not food insurance with some freeze dried foods? My father still didn’t get it so I gave him 3 days of FD food he has stuck in the basement. At least he has something now…

I generally don’t talk about it. But I follow the above approach when pressed. I also work with my local CERT & MRC which preaches being prepared for at least a week and NOT to count on FEMA (which is 11 miles from my house). It helped that my county MRC team did an exercise in a local city to ascertain the level of preparedness in statistically chosen areas. So I had a lot of friends asking what my Facebook status update that day. They were inquisitive but they were sheeple. The exercise was very successful and helped that city complete some federal grants for emergency management equipment and funding.

For my kids, they all have road emergency kits which are basically Get Home bags. I have to remind them to keep water and snacks in the car and weather appropriate clothes but they are not interested in prepping. My wife doesn’t want to know but trusts that I’m doing it for a good reason. She thinks writing MM/YY on all our canned foods is really weird but I told her it helps ensure we use those in date order…..food rotation theory is not interesting to her.

So basically, screw everyone else.

I hear you on that as it can get expensive helping out the non-interested, but I do already purchase 3-day to 1 month for immediate family and even hide it in their Garage…lol.

This is :offtopic: here but I saw the comment on writing on the cans….have you tried this inexpensive solution? I hate keeping track. I’ve wasted food in the past….Enter the Auto-rotate racks! …here’s a homemade easy one…. http://amy-toby.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/canned-food-storage.html

This is only one example of the many designs out there…Up to #10 cans if needed.

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March 21, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
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I don’t know what can be done about it. I can’t possibly afford creating 50+ bug out bags for my immediate family. I got 4 brothers and 3 sisters and they all have kids and those kids have kids. Love them all but I cannot prep for them. Some of them have said that famous line “I will just go to Gunns house”. My response is “don’t, I don’t want to shoot you”. They look at me beleaguered and stop talking to me for months, their so upset.

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Literally had water coming out my nose on this…lol…..I know that look. lol.

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March 20, 2017 Blondie 0
Gunns wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:this exact topic is being currently being discussed on another prepper site – here’s one direct quote response that is just unbelievable ….

“My feeling is, I don’t want to be the last one on the block with food. So I’m trying to be prepared for all of us.”

How would you like to be depending on this stupid silly SOB?

So I assume then the whole block knows about his or her preps? That will be a short lived life.

I have seen Christian ministries selling food storage buckets.

They are targeting seniors/empty nesters who may have some extra $ to spare and don’t want to sit in a community shelter when a storm comes thru.

Their pitch is ” you can do the Lord’s work by feeding your neighbors in hard times”. “And your wayward hoodlum grandson may stop for a meal with his hoodlum friends and you can minister to them, too”!

:shakeno:

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March 20, 2017 woodchipper518 0
dmwalsh568 wrote:
I point out the FEMA and CDC websites that suggest being prepared and if they aren’t convince I go the insurance route…everyone has home insurance, car insurance, fire insurance, etc. why not food insurance with some freeze dried foods? My father still didn’t get it so I gave him 3 days of FD food he has stuck in the basement. At least he has something now…

I generally don’t talk about it. But I follow the above approach when pressed. I also work with my local CERT & MRC which preaches being prepared for at least a week and NOT to count on FEMA (which is 11 miles from my house). It helped that my county MRC team did an exercise in a local city to ascertain the level of preparedness in statistically chosen areas. So I had a lot of friends asking what my Facebook status update that day. They were inquisitive but they were sheeple. The exercise was very successful and helped that city complete some federal grants for emergency management equipment and funding.

For my kids, they all have road emergency kits which are basically Get Home bags. I have to remind them to keep water and snacks in the car and weather appropriate clothes but they are not interested in prepping. My wife doesn’t want to know but trusts that I’m doing it for a good reason. She thinks writing MM/YY on all our canned foods is really weird but I told her it helps ensure we use those in date order…..food rotation theory is not interesting to her.

So basically, screw everyone else.

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March 20, 2017 Cast Iron 0

What do you call the go to guy or gal who not only has all the preps, but the knowledge and experience to make it all work?
The go to guy or gal with the military experience, the leadership experience, the understanding of logistics?
The go to guy or gal with the medical background?
The go to guy or gal with the small and medium livestock knowledge and experience of animal husbandry?
The go to guy or gal with the small and medium livestock knowledge and experience to slaughter, butcher and process meat for long term storage without modern conveniences?
The go to guy or gal with the knowledge and experience to not only grow food from seeds but how to collect seeds for next years harvest?
The go to guy or gal who is an Expert Rifle marksman?
The go to guy or gal who can do more with less?

The OIC.

I am sure the Spider People will beg to differ.

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March 20, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:
this exact topic is being currently being discussed on another prepper site – here’s one direct quote response that is just unbelievable ….

“My feeling is, I don’t want to be the last one on the block with food. So I’m trying to be prepared for all of us.”

How would you like to be depending on this stupid silly SOB?

So I assume then the whole block knows about his or her preps? That will be a short lived life.

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March 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

this exact topic is being currently being discussed on another prepper site – here’s one direct quote response that is just unbelievable ….

“My feeling is, I don’t want to be the last one on the block with food. So I’m trying to be prepared for all of us.”

How would you like to be depending on this stupid silly SOB?

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March 20, 2017 anita 0
ajax727 wrote:
I try to talk to people about being prepared some listen some just role there eyes . It is funny as heck to watch people run around like a chicken with it’s head chopped when we have a storm coming they buy milk and bread , i have never had a milk sandwich in all my life they must be real good . I have friends and family that laugh at me because i have this and that on hand . When they say well we will just come to your farm if things go bad what a joke sorry if the gate is closed it want be smart to climb the fence it is only 250 yards away .
I have helped a few people in there effort to be more prepared after i have talked with them , i tell them canned goods are cheap when on sale so stock up , veggs , canned meats and fruits have long shelf life , rice and dried beans flour and cornmeal will last a long time when they are kept in a freezer , but you need a generator to keep it frozen .
To those that want listen i just tell them good luck if things go south but don’t come around looking for a handout they want like the end results .

In the Philly area it seems to be a tradition to make French Toast on a snow day!

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March 20, 2017 NJMike 0

My philosophy is I’ll tell people, if I’m comfortable with telling them. I’ll share information with them If I think it will be fruitful. 9/11 and Hurricane Sandy had local impacts. I know many people in different social circles who don’t or won’t self-identify as Preppers, but who definitely prepare to some degree. Curiously we don’t talk prepping in a formal manner. Most people only discuss preparedness in vague general terms. I think many prefer not to disclose too much information. I can respect that, given I’ve been outed by family to other family and their friends on things I kept in the house. I’ve even had a Prepper from a group out me in front of others as a Prepper at a non-prepping public event.

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March 20, 2017 ajax727 0

I try to talk to people about being prepared some listen some just role there eyes . It is funny as heck to watch people run around like a chicken with it’s head chopped when we have a storm coming they buy milk and bread , i have never had a milk sandwich in all my life they must be real good . I have friends and family that laugh at me because i have this and that on hand . When they say well we will just come to your farm if things go bad what a joke sorry if the gate is closed it want be smart to climb the fence it is only 250 yards away .
I have helped a few people in there effort to be more prepared after i have talked with them , i tell them canned goods are cheap when on sale so stock up , veggs , canned meats and fruits have long shelf life , rice and dried beans flour and cornmeal will last a long time when they are kept in a freezer , but you need a generator to keep it frozen .
To those that want listen i just tell them good luck if things go south but don’t come around looking for a handout they want like the end results .

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March 20, 2017 Gunns 0
rickdun wrote:

daaswampman wrote: by daaswampman » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:57 pm

You can lead a horse to water and you know the rest of that story! I no longer discuss the issue outside BASIC storm preparation, something anyone in this area should be doing.

My dad use to say the same thing to me, but he added this, “But you can beat that horse and wish he would have drank the water.”

Dad was a hard corps WW-2 Marine veteran and didn’t pull any punches on any man, woman or child.

Well now, that pretty much explains you.

:thumbsup:

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March 20, 2017 rickdun 0
daaswampman wrote:
by daaswampman » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:57 pm

You can lead a horse to water and you know the rest of that story! I no longer discuss the issue outside BASIC storm preparation, something anyone in this area should be doing.

My dad use to say the same thing to me, but he added this, “But you can beat that horse and wish he would have drank the water.”

Dad was a hard corps WW-2 Marine veteran and didn’t pull any punches on any man, woman or child.

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March 20, 2017 Gunns 0

I don’t know what can be done about it. I can’t possibly afford creating 50+ bug out bags for my immediate family. I got 4 brothers and 3 sisters and they all have kids and those kids have kids. Love them all but I cannot prep for them. Some of them have said that famous line “I will just go to Gunns house”. My response is “don’t, I don’t want to shoot you”. They look at me beleaguered and stop talking to me for months, their so upset.

My son is not a prepper by any means. He does however have enough food in his apartment for over three months and he has a couple emergency bags depending on the season. That is only because I raised him with that in mind. Always told him to make sure he had food for few months in case of weather and to have a bag on him if the weather got to severe. So at least he can get to his apartment and he can bug out if he has to.

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March 20, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0

I’ve stated here before(in intro I think) my OPSEC was blown by myself ages ago with my attitude on trying to get friends even some basic stuff…Mostly my firearms and ammo side as I was often trying to get friends to the range but also with food and water here in CA as you’re lucky to meet one in 5000 people that would actually can food.

I’ve spoken about growing your own food with my passion in gardening and looking back, that seems to have been the most effective way for my to get people prepped. I’ll post pictures of harvest, plantings, greenhouse construction(It’s a plastic tiny thing really for my experimentation and learning as I’m in SoCAL), and more than a few are amazed with my production to the point where they’ll ask my help setting up for themselves.

I saw how bad OPSEC became when a earthquake hit a few years back and a few people made the comment that we dread…”I almost ended up over at your house DR1VEN! ha, ha, ha, ha…….”

I’ve handled it as best as possible since then, but the damage is already done obviously…..The newer comments “I have three days of food and water, so should you” trying to play down my level of preps will only go so far….

With that being said, I’m “That guy” that is always the go-to guy if you need some help with something, anything, and I’ll either already have the answer or immediately do research to make sure you get the basics in getting it right/not getting screwed……It’s something I find enjoyable if not a little tiring always dropping my own items to help out someone else. For the most part my satisfaction comes from it being appreciated. I find there’s only a true few who just take advantage and I drop them like a rock refusing to help them when asked again.

I see what you’re all saying, but I definitely lean more to the point of Swamp here

daaswampman wrote:
You can lead a horse to water and you know the rest of that story! I no longer discuss the issue outside BASIC storm preparation, something anyone in this area should be doing.

I have found it best to operate on two levels for my own well being and cover. I simple could not justify not helping my neighbors if I could. At the same time I will not risk our well being if the worst would happen.

I have a rather large storm shelter (rated for 30) and it is fully stocked. Only one neighbor even bothered to tour or discuss it! Although they all ended up in it when a twister sat down near here.

My BOL is never discussed with family and only one trusted friend even knows it exists. I made the mistake of telling close family about the first one and that information was shared with way too many “friends”.

This will sound horrible, but survival is not politically correct, fair, or pretty. If something happens my entire family is welcome to come share my home, shelters (there’s more than one), and my extensive inventory. If it truly goes to hell, a select few of my friends and family will leave and wish them the best. My plan is not perfect, but life rarely is. Swamp

Well stated SWAMP……

my point being this….
So, in the spirit of prepping, helping neighbors that are idiots, getting looked at as if you have the 3rd eye, and satisfying your own humanity in doing the right thing and trying to help out, where do you draw the line?
It’s obviously a personal choice so there is no wrong answers…

“you can lead a horse to water……”……… of course. and I do get it.

But does that mean we should stop trying?

As in, with all things and not just in war….” The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”(Edmund Burke)

At what point, where, will you draw that personal line in the sand?

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Where do you draw that line between the two????

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March 20, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Unfortunately it usually takes a real world event to get people even into the most basic mindset of having more than a few days supply of food on hand.

Hurricane Katrina was a good one.
So was Super Storm Sandy.

The occasional black out here or there.

The recent Nor’easter had everyone in a lather . . . then it passed West of NYC and all was well . . . except those of us out to the West. Did not leave the house for two days. No big deal, except thawing out the livestock water.

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March 19, 2017 anita 0
daaswampman wrote:
You can lead a horse to water and you know the rest of that story! –snip–

This always reminds me of Dorothy Parker. One evening, while at the Algonquin Round Table with her writer friends, they had to create a play on the word “horticulture.”

Dorothy’s was: “You can lead a whore to culture, but you can’t make her think.”

Now that is a great play on words.

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March 19, 2017 daaswampman 0

You can lead a horse to water and you know the rest of that story! I no longer discuss the issue outside BASIC storm preparation, something anyone in this area should be doing.

I have found it best to operate on two levels for my own well being and cover. I simple could not justify not helping my neighbors if I could. At the same time I will not risk our well being if the worst would happen.

I have a rather large storm shelter (rated for 30) and it is fully stocked. Only one neighbor even bothered to tour or discuss it! Although they all ended up in it when a twister sat down near here.

My BOL is never discussed with family and only one trusted friend even knows it exists. I made the mistake of telling close family about the first one and that information was shared with way too many “friends”.

This will sound horrible, but survival is not politically correct, fair, or pretty. If something happens my entire family is welcome to come share my home, shelters (there’s more than one), and my extensive inventory. If it truly goes to hell, a select few of my friends and family will leave and wish them the best. My plan is not perfect, but life rarely is. Swamp

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March 19, 2017 Blondie 0

I don’t discuss it anymore unless I’m asked. When you discuss prepping with those you only know casually you expose yourself and possibly what you have stored as well as any plans. Someone may ask about your food storage and the prepper proudly brags about their year’s supply of food.

Last week we had a windstorm blow thru MI and 800,000 homes lost power for 2-4 days. People came into work dirty & disheveled to take a hot shower, clean up and warm a meal in the microwave. I was fine and didn’t say or offer a thing.

My kids are on board with a few things like food & water. One keeps extra asthma meds & antibiotics on hand so the light is beginning to shine thru.

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March 19, 2017 dmwalsh568 0

I point out the FEMA and CDC websites that suggest being prepared and if they aren’t convince I go the insurance route…everyone has home insurance, car insurance, fire insurance, etc. why not food insurance with some freeze dried foods? My father still didn’t get it so I gave him 3 days of FD food he has stuck in the basement. At least he has something now…

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March 19, 2017 Stahlrosen 0

Fortunately I have little family close, my son and his neighbor have a close relationship, and a good plan, so I don’t worry (too much) about him. My BIL however is a different story. He knows better, but says if things go to crap he is just going to come here :x Well if he does he better have something to drop in the offering bunker when he gets here or he can run security from the barn. The only other family I have is in FL a long way away and they should be fine.

Friends, I really don’t bother with. A majority of my closer friends are all like us so I don’t have to do any convincing. The others, I am with rickdun on #1. If they can’t read the writing on the wall, there is little I can say or do to convince them otherwise. Fortunately only my closer friends actually know where we live. I worked for AFTAC for 15 years and out of the whole building only one person had been to my house near town, and that is because he delivered my hay. Only family, some of my teammates, and some S.O. deputies have been to our place (some of them qualify here), and only a few of those have ever been inside.
I have tried going the “you really should have something route” only to be looked at like I had 3 eyes, so I don’t bother anymore. I just don’t think it is worth the stress. There are enough things in life to stress over.
I don’t know if it is the “it will never happen to me” or the “someone will always rescue me” issue, but regardless the result is the same and I no longer have time or patience for those people.

Sorry, that probably wasn’t very helpful in the suggestion department.

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March 19, 2017 anita 0

When my son was in his early 20s, he saw a movie, I want to say it was called Pandemic, but I don’t remember. It was about a rapidly spreading disease of some sort (I obviously didn’t see it). When he came home, he told me that he now understood why I prepped. I gave my husband One Second After to read, and after that he was more favorable to my prepping. Before he had been fine with it, but afterwards he was on board, wanted to go to the range, etc.

I think until some people experience a problem, whether it be an actual catastrophe, or just reading about it or watching a movie about it, they can’t conceptualize how quickly something can grow into a life-threatening event.

I tell people that if the government keeps telling you to prepare, (and I’m sure you’ve heard those “have a plan” public service ads) they probably know something you don’t, and you might want to follow their advice. They are trying to get as many people to be as self-reliant as possible so they have that many fewer sheep to herd should something happen. It isn’t crazy talk.

I have purchased my kids each a get-home bag for my own peace of mind. And my mother is on board, even though my father wasn’t particularly (although they have a farm and were naturally pretty self-reliant), so I’ve just shipped her small cans of freeze-dried food, water filter, water bricks, solar flashlights and the like over the years and told her to stick it away. She never would have spent that money on herself.

But yeah, some people think nothing bad can ever happen to them, just because nothing has. For those, I’d just shut up about my preps unless you want all of them on your doorstep if something happens. The Darwin Principle will win in the end.

Statistics: Posted by anita — Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:04 am


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General Family Preparedness • Spreading Prepper Mentality—Pros Vs. Cons?

March 19, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0

So it never ceases to amaze me how blind some of my friends and family can be when it comes to even the MOST BASIC of preps are ignored in todays day and age of the supermarket mentality.

The basic thought that “it’s nothing to worry about/Easier to ignore” for the most siplest of even a 3 day supply of food and water even here in Southern CA where its proven time and time again Earthquakes happen and shut stuff down.

This is a few weeks dated but it brings back the thought “I’m good to go, but so many I personally know aren’t” including family and friends…. http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/03/08/california-fault-capable-producing-magnitude-7-4-earthquake-study-says.html

No matter how I approach it, calm/matter of fact, or directly like “You HAVE to have some basics on hand, get with it!” or any variance in-between, I don’t see them change their thoughts…Even in the tiniest bit no matter the basic logic of it.

So my questions are these……

How would you approach the issue for people you care about?

When do you consider talking is too much and makes you a target in an event for zombies?
(I’m sure everyone knows Zombies are un-prepped civilians trying to take your stuff, but just being safe here. ;) )

If a specific loved one had a view that any preps are a type of paranoia/erratic behavior, at what point would you just give up on them vs. continuing to try to get them to stock even 3 days of water?

Let’s get a discussion going here….please chime in. ALL points of view/experience with this subject welcomed here…

Thanks all…. :thumbup:
~DR1VEN

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Statistics: Posted by DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE — Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:33 am


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 19, 2017 rebnavy1862 0
theoutback wrote:
Hey, speaking of libs, where are they? PS, lilred, havn’t seen them here in awhile. Reb, what did you do??? :D

PS has become a lurker. Lilred drops in once a month to make an outrageous statement then disappears when her “facts” are challenged.
I didn’t do anything I wouldn’t do to any other liberal. :whistling:
Reb

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 15, 2017 Gunns 0

I would argue that roads and infrastructure have nothing to do with Socialism and more with the Commerce clause in the Constitution.

The Military is definitely provided for in the Constitution.

Not sure about NASA, but it could be observed as part of the Military for R&D. That may be a stretch.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 14, 2017 Murby 0
IceFire wrote:
Murby, you’re a liberal on SOME issues, and a conservative on others…sounds to me more like you’re an INDEPENDENT than either strictly liberal or conservative!

Yes.. and I’m in a constant state of flux too! Sometimes people bring up facets of arguments that I haven’t considered before and it forces me to re-evaluate my position..

Unfortunately, my way (ideas) doesn’t always seem to be the best or only way to skin the proverbial cat.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 14, 2017 Murby 0
IceFire wrote:
Murby, you’re a liberal on SOME issues, and a conservative on others…sounds to me more like you’re an INDEPENDENT than either strictly liberal or conservative!

Yes.. and I’m in a constant state of flux too! Sometimes people bring up facets of arguments that I haven’t considered before and it forces me to re-evaluate my position..

Unfortunately, my way (ideas) doesn’t always seem to be the best or only way to skin the proverbial cat.

Statistics: Posted by Murby — Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:58 am


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 14, 2017 Murby 0
Gunns wrote:
Well let me poke you in the eye with a stick then. LOL

Poke away! I don’t mind. I’m not always right, but I think it would be wise if we kept this light as these kinds of conversations can go south fast when some folks get overly emotional about the subjects.

I have no problems with Gays either. Just don’t think every TV show, Movie and now Disney remakes have to have same sex making out on them. For a small minority the queer Hollywood producers and writers are pushing it in our faces. That will backfire when SHTF.

I’m not a fan of being force-fed idea’s either.. Regardless of the merits of those ideas, when I turn on entertainment, I want to be entertained, not brainwashed..

As far as socialized health care that is for Socialist thinkers and drug testing is a violation of our Constitutional rights. Can’t see how someone says they base their decisions on science and math can be against the very principles of our Constitution. I can’t find it in the Constitution that says we need to socialize anything.

We already have socialization.. We all pay for infrastructure like roads and bridges, military, and even science like NASA..
Our society needs to be healthy to survive, it also needs to be educated in order to compete with others. Free-market is the best system in the world when it comes to marketplace trade based on elective purchasing (things you want but don’t require) but it fails when it comes to things you must have to prosper.. The conversation becomes convoluted when we consider the wide gray area between what is elective and what is required. Do you need medical care to survive? Of course you do.. But how much? Do you need an Xbox or fishing boat? Of course not.
Could you tell a person with a shattered leg that you’re not going to treat them if they can’t afford to pay you? I think most people would say no to that. So where does the money come from when you spend $20,000 to repair that persons leg? Currently, the hospitals just pass it on to those who have the money.. This is why an aspirin in a hospital cost north of $8 and they even charge you a buck for the paper cup it comes in.
I’m no expert, but it seems to me that such a system is even worse than any conceived notion of what socialized healthcare would or wouldn’t be.

As far as drug testing welfare recipients.. If they’re excepting public welfare, I think that gives us a right to make sure they’re not wasting the money on drugs, in fact, I don’t think welfare dollars should be allowed to be spent on any junk food either. I’m not sure how that is unconstitutional as you say but I’m all ears if you care to explain it to me.. I’m certainly no expert on the constitution or law.

As “Bones” would say.. “Damn It Jim, I’m an Engineer not a Lawyer!”

Statistics: Posted by Murby — Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:56 am


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 14, 2017 Murby 0
Gunns wrote:
Well let me poke you in the eye with a stick then. LOL

Poke away! I don’t mind. I’m not always right, but I think it would be wise if we kept this light as these kinds of conversations can go south fast when some folks get overly emotional about the subjects.

I have no problems with Gays either. Just don’t think every TV show, Movie and now Disney remakes have to have same sex making out on them. For a small minority the queer Hollywood producers and writers are pushing it in our faces. That will backfire when SHTF.

I’m not a fan of being force-fed idea’s either.. Regardless of the merits of those ideas, when I turn on entertainment, I want to be entertained, not brainwashed..

As far as socialized health care that is for Socialist thinkers and drug testing is a violation of our Constitutional rights. Can’t see how someone says they base their decisions on science and math can be against the very principles of our Constitution. I can’t find it in the Constitution that says we need to socialize anything.

We already have socialization.. We all pay for infrastructure like roads and bridges, military, and even science like NASA..
Our society needs to be healthy to survive, it also needs to be educated in order to compete with others. Free-market is the best system in the world when it comes to marketplace trade based on elective purchasing (things you want but don’t require) but it fails when it comes to things you must have to prosper.. The conversation becomes convoluted when we consider the wide gray area between what is elective and what is required. Do you need medical care to survive? Of course you do.. But how much? Do you need an Xbox or fishing boat? Of course not.
Could you tell a person with a shattered leg that you’re not going to treat them if they can’t afford to pay you? I think most people would say no to that. So where does the money come from when you spend $20,000 to repair that persons leg? Currently, the hospitals just pass it on to those who have the money.. This is why an aspirin in a hospital cost north of $8 and they even charge you a buck for the paper cup it comes in.
I’m no expert, but it seems to me that such a system is even worse than any conceived notion of what socialized healthcare would or wouldn’t be.

As far as drug testing welfare recipients.. If they’re excepting public welfare, I think that gives us a right to make sure they’re not wasting the money on drugs, in fact, I don’t think welfare dollars should be allowed to be spent on any junk food either. I’m not sure how that is unconstitutional as you say but I’m all ears if you care to explain it to me.. I’m certainly no expert on the constitution or law.

As “Bones” would say.. “Damn It Jim, I’m an Engineer not a Lawyer!”

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
IceFire wrote:

Murby wrote:Just for the record, I would be considered a progressive liberal.. But I think I’m a special rare flavor..

Gays are fine with me, I think we should socialize our healthcare, and I believe in a lot of other liberal attributes.

I also think we should have mandatory drug testing for welfare and anyone accused of attempting to attenuate a private citizens right to own firearms should be banned from all public service.

Perhaps the difference its that every decision or opinion I form is based on science and math, not on a feel-good mentality. From how I treat my child, to how I pay my bills, to how and why I prep for a disaster, it is all based on sound science and only science..

I think the problem in the divide between liberals and conservatives is that most of them base their opinions on other opinions.. most of them do not rationalize their opinions based on real information.

Too many people fail in critical thinking skills and let their feelings run their lives.

Murby, you’re a liberal on SOME issues, and a conservative on others…sounds to me more like you’re an INDEPENDENT than either strictly liberal or conservative!

I believe I fall more into IceFire’s observation as well as Murby.

In our times, varying shades of gray applies more so to the middle than the ends.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 14, 2017 IceFire 0
Murby wrote:
Just for the record, I would be considered a progressive liberal.. But I think I’m a special rare flavor..

Gays are fine with me, I think we should socialize our healthcare, and I believe in a lot of other liberal attributes.

I also think we should have mandatory drug testing for welfare and anyone accused of attempting to attenuate a private citizens right to own firearms should be banned from all public service.

Perhaps the difference its that every decision or opinion I form is based on science and math, not on a feel-good mentality. From how I treat my child, to how I pay my bills, to how and why I prep for a disaster, it is all based on sound science and only science..

I think the problem in the divide between liberals and conservatives is that most of them base their opinions on other opinions.. most of them do not rationalize their opinions based on real information.

Too many people fail in critical thinking skills and let their feelings run their lives.

Murby, you’re a liberal on SOME issues, and a conservative on others…sounds to me more like you’re an INDEPENDENT than either strictly liberal or conservative!

Statistics: Posted by IceFire — Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:20 pm


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 13, 2017 Gunns 0
Murby wrote:
Just for the record, I would be considered a progressive liberal.. But I think I’m a special rare flavor..

Gays are fine with me, I think we should socialize our healthcare, and I believe in a lot of other liberal attributes.

I also think we should have mandatory drug testing for welfare and anyone accused of attempting to attenuate a private citizens right to own firearms should be banned from all public service.

Perhaps the difference its that every decision or opinion I form is based on science and math, not on a feel-good mentality. From how I treat my child, to how I pay my bills, to how and why I prep for a disaster, it is all based on sound science and only science..

I think the problem in the divide between liberals and conservatives is that most of them base their opinions on other opinions.. most of them do not rationalize their opinions based on real information.

Too many people fail in critical thinking skills and let their feelings run their lives.

Well let me poke you in the eye with a stick then. LOL

I have no problems with Gays either. Just don’t think every TV show, Movie and now Disney remakes have to have same sex making out on them. For a small minority the queer Hollywood producers and writers are pushing it in our faces. That will backfire when SHTF.

As far as socialized health care that is for Socialist thinkers and drug testing is a violation of our Constitutional rights. Can’t see how someone says they base their decisions on science and math can be against the very principles of our Constitution. I can’t find it in the Constitution that says we need to socialize anything.

Again that is just free thinking on my part.

You got poked. I hand the stick to you. :shakeyes:

Statistics: Posted by Gunns — Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:52 pm


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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

March 13, 2017 Murby 0

Just for the record, I would be considered a progressive liberal.. But I think I’m a special rare flavor..

Gays are fine with me, I think we should socialize our healthcare, and I believe in a lot of other liberal attributes.

I also think we should have mandatory drug testing for welfare and anyone accused of attempting to attenuate a private citizens right to own firearms should be banned from all public service.

Perhaps the difference its that every decision or opinion I form is based on science and math, not on a feel-good mentality. From how I treat my child, to how I pay my bills, to how and why I prep for a disaster, it is all based on sound science and only science..

I think the problem in the divide between liberals and conservatives is that most of them base their opinions on other opinions.. most of them do not rationalize their opinions based on real information.

Too many people fail in critical thinking skills and let their feelings run their lives.

Statistics: Posted by Murby — Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:42 am