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December 4, 2017 oldasrocks 0

Years ago I experimented making alcohol with sugar beets. I could get close to a gallon of 180 proof with 10 lbs of sugar beets. I ran my old car with a 20% mixture in it. Ran fine, Started hard in the winter. I still have a small bottle of the alco…

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December 3, 2017 daaswampman 0

John Galt 1 wrote:Well there are no gas wells around here and I wouldn’t know how to capture the gas if there were. I’d suggest that you figure it out since you’ve got so many close by.Done deal! SwampStatistics: Posted by daaswampman — Sun Dec 0…

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December 3, 2017 JoyDog 0

We own our own drill rig. We have drilled 5 wells around 400 ft. We have water but no gas. We have neighbors that have drilled 400 ft and have gas but no water.Statistics: Posted by JoyDog — Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:45 pm

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December 3, 2017 JoyDog 0

We own our own drill rig. We have drilled 5 wells around 400 ft. We have water but no gas. We have neighbors that have drilled 400 ft and have gas but no water.Statistics: Posted by JoyDog — Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:45 pm

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December 3, 2017 John Galt 1 0

Well there are no gas wells around here and I wouldn’t know how to capture the gas if there were. I’d suggest that you figure it out since you’ve got so many close by.Statistics: Posted by John Galt 1 — Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:10 pm

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December 2, 2017 daaswampman 0

There are thousands of abandoned and capped shallow gas wells in many areas. While they may not have any economic value, they may continue to produce for centuries. The whole process can be inexpensive and simple. SwampStatistics: Posted by daaswam…

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December 1, 2017 John Galt 1 0

JoyDog wrote:How do we find people kike this?People like what? who know about power production or hermits? As far as the hermits go Jeff was on his bike and just swing by my shop for some water.Statistics: Posted by John Galt 1 — Fri Dec 01, 2…

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December 1, 2017 John Galt 1 0

JoyDog wrote:How do we find people kike this?People like what? who know about power production or hermits? As far as the hermits go Jeff was on his bike and just swing by my shop for some water.Statistics: Posted by John Galt 1 — Fri Dec 01, 2…

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December 1, 2017 John Galt 1 0

JoyDog wrote:How do we find people kike this?People like what? who know about power production or hermits? As far as the hermits go Jeff was on his bike and just swing by my shop for some water.Statistics: Posted by John Galt 1 — Fri Dec 01, 2…

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December 1, 2017 John Galt 1 0

He had worked for 20 years saving all of his money with his housing ect paid for by his company. But as I learned later he slowly became schizophrenic and retreated to the woods. Over the years he opened up and after 11 years living his life…

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December 1, 2017 Cast Iron 0

John Galt 1 wrote:I had a friend who was totally off the grid. No electricity, rode a bicycle everywhere, rain catchment system and a bored well (with bucket on a rope) that was often dry. Basically he was a hermit who had saved some cash an…

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November 30, 2017 John Galt 1 0

I had a friend who was totally off the grid. No electricity, rode a bicycle everywhere, rain catchment system and a bored well (with bucket on a rope) that was often dry. Basically he was a hermit who had saved some cash and was living on 25…

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November 30, 2017 Cast Iron 0

rickdun wrote:Cast Iron, here’s an article on making ethanol. According to this article, besides corn, you need 1,000 gallons of water too.Do what Estus, on mountain men did, convert gas engine to steam engine and fire with wood.http://gas2.org/2008/1…

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November 30, 2017 Cast Iron 0

rickdun wrote:Cast Iron, here’s an article on making ethanol. According to this article, besides corn, you need 1,000 gallons of water too.Do what Estus, on mountain men did, convert gas engine to steam engine and fire with wood.http://gas2.org/2008/1…

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November 30, 2017 Cast Iron 0

John Galt 1 wrote:Theoretically about 26 pounds of corn will make a gallon of ethanol (about 95% pure) but that assumes that you get perfect malting, fermenting, and distilling. But it’s really tough to get perfect fermentation and preforming e…

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November 30, 2017 Cast Iron 0

John Galt 1 wrote:Theoretically about 26 pounds of corn will make a gallon of ethanol (about 95% pure) but that assumes that you get perfect malting, fermenting, and distilling. But it’s really tough to get perfect fermentation and preforming e…

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November 30, 2017 John Galt 1 0

rickdun wrote:Cast Iron, here’s an article on making ethanol. According to this article, besides corn, you need 1,000 gallons of water too.The 1000 gallons may be for the growing of the corn. A 5-6 gallon batch of mash (so about 4 gallons water)…

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November 30, 2017 John Galt 1 0

NJMike wrote:Good topic. Some of my quick thoughts.Understanding basic electricity (not home wiring basics, but the concepts), cable gauges and components, and having some basic tools and test equipment would be important.Alternators and DC motors cou…

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November 30, 2017 rickdun 0

Cast Iron, here’s an article on making ethanol. According to this article, besides corn, you need 1,000 gallons of water too.Do what Estus, on mountain men did, convert gas engine to steam engine and fire with wood.http://gas2.org/2008/10/16/1000-gall…

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November 30, 2017 John Galt 1 0

Theoretically about 26 pounds of corn will make a gallon of ethanol (about 95% pure) but that assumes that you get perfect malting, fermenting, and distilling. But it’s really tough to get perfect fermentation and preforming enough Sparging tak…

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November 30, 2017 Cast Iron 0

John Galt 1 wrote:I’ve been reading and occasionally posting here for a few months and was surprised at how few actually have long term methods to harness power beyond muscle power (man or beast). Mankind’s ability to harness energy is what allo…

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November 29, 2017 NJMike 0

Good topic. Some of my quick thoughts.Understanding basic electricity (not home wiring basics, but the concepts), cable gauges and components, and having some basic tools and test equipment would be important.Alternators and DC motors could be invalua…

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November 29, 2017 John Galt 1 0

I’ve been reading and occasionally posting here for a few months and was surprised at how few actually have long term methods to harness power beyond muscle power (man or beast). Mankind’s ability to harness energy is what allows us all to incre…

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General Energy Discussion • Re: Off Grid? Really?

October 2, 2017 IceFire 0
Saxon Violence wrote:
Friends,
Maybe there is another term for what I mean, but to me “Off-Grid” means that you’re willing to live without electricity for the most part. Is there another word for this concept?
Saxon Violence

Sure, there’s another word for that concept: Amish!

Although, nowadays, a LOT of Amish use propane powered refrigerators, stoves, etc., and indoor plumbing. It depends on the local ordnung. Some are stricter than others. There are a couple of ordnungs still that do NOT allow propane-powered devices or indoor plumbing…those still use wood-burning stoves for cooking and heating, trek out to the outhouse, and bathing is conducted in a washtub in the kitchen with water heated on the stove.

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September 30, 2017 handyman777 0
Permafrost wrote:

handyman777 wrote:Are you ever really “off the grid” ? ? ?

You still have to pay tax’s.

Some places have no property taxes, and if your income is low enough you pay no federal income tax. So yes you can be free, but most will not like the lifestyle they must live to achieve it. I know a few folks who fit in this group, they might get $3000 to $5000 a year trapping and that is their only income. It is not a bad life, if you don’t mind burning rendered bear fat in lamps for your only light all winter long when it’s dark 20 or more hours a day.

I myself am “off grid” at my cabin that I am at about 1/3 to 1/2 the year. The other part of the year I am in town working & living with my family. The only things I have that are electric out there are a solar panel for a 12v freezer, and a 2000W generator for the food-saver & meat grinder. One of these days I want to put in some 12v LED lights, because it is really dark in the winter and I miss the light.

Way too COOL Permafrost—A lifestyle that some people only dream about. 8)

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September 30, 2017 handyman777 0
Permafrost wrote:

handyman777 wrote:Are you ever really “off the grid” ? ? ?

You still have to pay tax’s.

Some places have no property taxes, and if your income is low enough you pay no federal income tax. So yes you can be free, but most will not like the lifestyle they must live to achieve it. I know a few folks who fit in this group, they might get $3000 to $5000 a year trapping and that is their only income. It is not a bad life, if you don’t mind burning rendered bear fat in lamps for your only light all winter long when it’s dark 20 or more hours a day.

I myself am “off grid” at my cabin that I am at about 1/3 to 1/2 the year. The other part of the year I am in town working & living with my family. The only things I have that are electric out there are a solar panel for a 12v freezer, and a 2000W generator for the food-saver & meat grinder. One of these days I want to put in some 12v LED lights, because it is really dark in the winter and I miss the light.

Way too COOL Permafrost—A lifestyle that some people only dream about. 8)

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September 30, 2017 RockinB 0
Saxon Violence wrote:
Friends,

Maybe there is another term for what I mean, but to me “Off-Grid” means that you’re willing to live without electricity for the most part. Is there another word for this concept?

Saxon Violence

Fronteir living, Pioneer living or lifestyles would be zero power and zero a bunch of other advanced society stuff too. Off Grid generally refers to either the power grid or the people grid. The term “out of the system” is also floated around for those that refuse to be labelled “consumers”, “serfs” or “wards of the state” scratching out a living by working their butts off their entire lives at mundane jobs, trying to raise a family and never getting ahead. Very easy to get trapped in the consumerist system since most Americans are in it already with no chance of escape.

That’s my opinion and i’m sticking to it!

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September 30, 2017 RockinB 0
Saxon Violence wrote:
Friends,

Maybe there is another term for what I mean, but to me “Off-Grid” means that you’re willing to live without electricity for the most part. Is there another word for this concept?

Saxon Violence

Fronteir living, Pioneer living or lifestyles would be zero power and zero a bunch of other advanced society stuff too. Off Grid generally refers to either the power grid or the people grid. The term “out of the system” is also floated around for those that refuse to be labelled “consumers”, “serfs” or “wards of the state” scratching out a living by working their butts off their entire lives at mundane jobs, trying to raise a family and never getting ahead. Very easy to get trapped in the consumerist system since most Americans are in it already with no chance of escape.

That’s my opinion and i’m sticking to it!

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September 30, 2017 Permafrost 0
handyman777 wrote:
Are you ever really “off the grid” ? ? ?

You still have to pay tax’s.

Some places have no property taxes, and if your income is low enough you pay no federal income tax. So yes you can be free, but most will not like the lifestyle they must live to achieve it. I know a few folks who fit in this group, they might get $3000 to $5000 a year trapping and that is their only income. It is not a bad life, if you don’t mind burning rendered bear fat in lamps for your only light all winter long when it’s dark 20 or more hours a day.

I myself am “off grid” at my cabin that I am at about 1/3 to 1/2 the year. The other part of the year I am in town working & living with my family. The only things I have that are electric out there are a solar panel for a 12v freezer, and a 2000W generator for the food-saver & meat grinder. One of these days I want to put in some 12v LED lights, because it is really dark in the winter and I miss the light.

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September 30, 2017 Matte 0

Off-grid here, or at least from the standpoint that we have no public utility services. Private well, private septic, solar electric power with generator backup. A land-line phone, sat internet, and DirecTV are our links to the outside world. I suppose we’re not off-grid by your definition, in fact as I type this I’m listening to a semi-loud cooling fan running on our ten year old Xantrex inverter/charger in the background – 3 mostly cloudy days in a row drained our batteries to the point that it started our propane generator to recharge them. Not really a problem, in fact we use this time to do the laundry, run the dishwasher, vacuum the carpeted areas, fill the empty toilet flush buckets, and fire up the computer I’m using now. All the electricity I want for about 4 hours, as long as I keep it under the 4kw limit of the inverter at any given time lol. Later we may even make some microwave popcorn and watch half a movie before falling asleep with the TV on, those are kind of special treat things for us when the generator is running.

No goats, chickens, or other livestock. Our garden is modest in the extreme and we don’t home can food. When the primary propane tank runs low 2-3 times a year, I call for a fill up. We’re not self-sufficient, just semi self-reliant for maybe up to a year with stored beans, bullets, and bandaids. We’re good with that, it’d be difficult to keep more than that amount of everything in rotation before it spoiled anyway. Not that we chose this lifestyle solely from a strict prepper/survival perspective, it’s just how we choose to live and we enjoy it.

Suppose I’m really not sure what you’re asking, and those that might meet your definition of off-grid likely wouldn’t have enough excess power to waste posting a response in an internet forum anyway. But whatever you define “off-grid” as, just do it if it appeals to you and find your own sweet spot would be my suggestion.

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September 29, 2017 handyman777 0

Are you ever really “off the grid” ? ? ?

You still have to pay tax’s – if your on federal or state land and build a structure they will tear it down and fine $$ you. Private property your trespassing.

The only way to do this is to stay mobile (on the move), and how long can you do that.

Now if the SHTF or TEOTWAWKI its a different story, it becomes a WROL world.

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September 29, 2017 Saxon Violence 0

Friends,

I believe that people should do whatever they think is in their best interest. I’m not looking to start an argument…

But once again I got taken in by someone’s “Off-Grid” thumbnail on “U” Tube. Generating your own power is certainly off the central grid, but if you get too extreme about alternative power generation, you’re not truly “Off-Grid” you’re on your own Mini-Grid.

Maybe there is another term for what I mean, but to me “Off-Grid” means that you’re willing to live without electricity for the most part. Is there another word for this concept?

I’m no purist. If you want to burn 5-gallons of gasoline per month, or pedal a bicycle generator or put up a Couple Solar panels so you can run your TV and VCR occasionally, or charge a Chess Playing Device or even to light a few strategic LEDs—hey that’s cool.

If you are largely turning your back on much of the modern world—how much turning are you doing if you need to take most of your electric devices along with you?

If you really think that society might totally collapse, it probably won’t be back in your lifetime. Having an elaborate cotton-candy and ice cream machine in your generator shed only postpones the inevitable.

I remember Ragnar Benson writing that he had 3-freezers a generator and 2-spare generators and he intended to make extensive use of his his freezers after a collapse. How long would a freezer last if you could do basic repairs? 5 to as much as 15-years? That would give you the time to look around and make other plans.

But all I see are folks who seem absurdly pleased that they generate their own electricity without ever considering how sustainable it is.

So anyway, please let me know your thoughts.

Saxon Violence

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General Energy Discussion • Re: 1 LB propane bottle refill ?

August 25, 2017 NorthernMich 0
pilgrimtr wrote:
put your small cylinder in the freezer for about a half hour before filling that way the cylinder will take a better fill. when you fill from a higher pressure to a lower pressure the lower pressure cylinder will heat up, if the smaller cylinder is cold at the start then it will take a better fill. look up boyle’s law. ;)

AGREED…I get about 70-90% fills using heat to cold or visa versa… :clap:

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August 25, 2017 NorthernMich 0
pilgrimtr wrote:
put your small cylinder in the freezer for about a half hour before filling that way the cylinder will take a better fill. when you fill from a higher pressure to a lower pressure the lower pressure cylinder will heat up, if the smaller cylinder is cold at the start then it will take a better fill. look up boyle’s law. ;)

AGREED…I get about 70-90% fills using heat to cold or visa versa… :clap:

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General Energy Discussion • Re: biomass briquettes/logs

June 18, 2017 rickdun 0

Glad this thread came up. I have a garage that’s 24’X30′, I heat with a wood burner and had always used nothing but wood.

About 5 years ago a friend of mine said to use just old newspapers, I told him he was crazy. He showed me how to roll them by hand and now that’s all I use to heat my garage.

My newspapers, after being rolled by hand are 12 1/2″ long and 4″ to 5″ in diameter and are tied with twistie ties.

Once I get a get a good set of coals, I put one log on the fire then 4 or 5 paper logs on top, holds a fire for 8 to 10 hours.

The only draw back is taking out the ashes, the burnt newspaper just wants to blow all over the place. I have about 3 pickup loads of rolled newspapers on hand for this winter, stored in one of my sheds. ;)

Statistics: Posted by rickdun — Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:09 am