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General Canning Topics • Re: Vinegar

November 6, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

Permafrost wrote:catfeet wrote:Use the cloudy bits to start a new "mother" for vinegar from fresh squeezed apple juice.If only we had a supply of apples here. I have tried many times to grow them but it has not happened.if you give the apple…

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General Canning Topics • Re: Vinegar

November 6, 2017 Permafrost 0

catfeet wrote:Use the cloudy bits to start a new "mother" for vinegar from fresh squeezed apple juice.If only we had a supply of apples here. I have tried many times to grow them but it has not happened.Statistics: Posted by Permafrost — Mon…

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November 5, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

wouldn’t take the chance on ruining the food – buy new – vinegar has a long shelf life but I would be rotating it out … use the old vinegar for some rust removal or some of the other useful purposes it can serve ….Statistics: Posted by Illini Warr…

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November 5, 2017 eochief66 0

I cannot help you on using it to can with. Don’t throw it out use it to clean your house. It is supposed to work on cleaning bathrooms and such.Statistics: Posted by eochief66 — Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:54 am

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November 5, 2017 Permafrost 0

So I am in town, and I figured I would catch up on some housekeeping issues since I’m here. I was going through our storage area and I found some expired jugs of vinegar. I am not the biggest believer in expiration dates, but these are like 10 years p…

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General Canning Topics • Re: Older Home Canned Food

September 24, 2017 PatrioticStabilist 0

2 years and 3 years old I generally have no problem with, home canned that is. I open it, smell and taste it, if its
even a little off I don’t eat it. But right now I’m eating jam that is 4 years old, its pretty dark but tastes just fine.

Commercially canned 6 months, if its older I’m a bit leery, generally it starts getting discolored and may have a
slightly off taste.

Just have to use some judgment, if we had no other food I’m sure my tolerance for older foods would let me eat the
stuff much older.

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General Canning Topics • Re: Older Home Canned Food

September 23, 2017 IceFire 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Can you tell me what type of apple you’re canning? I’ve used NC mountain apples and I’m thinking they may be too soft. Maybe the firmer apples will can better.

Mrs FP

DEFINITELY use a firmer type of apple for canning! Some varieties are better for eating fresh; some are better for making able butter, applesauce, and jelly; (the more “mealy” varieties) while others are better for canning. (Granny Smiths come to mind, as they are pretty firm…I’m sure there are other similar varieties.)

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General Canning Topics • Re: Older Home Canned Food

September 23, 2017 JayJay 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Can you tell me what type of apple you’re canning? I’ve used NC mountain apples and I’m thinking they may be too soft. Maybe the firmer apples will can better.

Mrs FP

I don’t know…from a friend’s daughter’s tree.
I know one year I canned in October, and one year in August as dated on the jars.

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September 23, 2017 Cin 0

We ate home-canned chili with meat in it from 2009. Now, not saying I would do that all the time, but I found it in the back of the cupboard, we’d been working all day, I forgot to put out something for dinner, and it was there. Tasted good, but probably wasn’t the most nutritious meal anymore. Made killer chili cheese hot dogs with it. :)

In general, however, I make sure we eat our canned foods with meat in them within 2 years. I have no idea how this one jar got “lost” back there.

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September 22, 2017 JayJay 0
ForwardPreppers wrote:
Again, I say, I never intended for this thread to be about the expiration or pull dates for commercial canned goods. I just thought people could share their experiences with home canned food.

I haven’t had much success canning apples, they get mushy. It might be the types of apples I’m using. We polished off that quart of honey vanilla pears, boy were they good. I’m most of all happy with their firmness. I may can some more this year if I can find a good price on pears.

Didn’t someone post here a few years ago about canning grapes? I’d really like to know how they turned out or held up over time.

Mrs FP

My water bath canned apples are just as when canned–oldest, a few years old, have off color, but consistency is great.
Taste??? delicious.

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September 22, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0
anita wrote:
Now, what the pull date really is for home-canned food is a whole other debate, because the USDA just puts a blanket one year expiration on it all, and clearly that isn’t anything definitive. I have tomatoes canned two years ago sitting in my basement that I intend to use, as long as they look/smell fine. But I will use them up or toss them before next year’s canning season. I also have pickles canned in 2015 and 2016 that I will definitely toss, because they darken and get soft after a year.

This is the info I was shooting for.
Note to self – be sure and use up the pickles within a year for best flavor and texture!

Thanks Anita!

Mrs FP

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September 22, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

Again, I say, I never intended for this thread to be about the expiration or pull dates for commercial canned goods. I just thought people could share their experiences with home canned food.

I haven’t had much success canning apples, they get mushy. It might be the types of apples I’m using. We polished off that quart of honey vanilla pears, boy were they good. I’m most of all happy with their firmness. I may can some more this year if I can find a good price on pears.

Didn’t someone post here a few years ago about canning grapes? I’d really like to know how they turned out or held up over time.

Mrs FP

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September 22, 2017 anita 0
daaswampman wrote:
If you want to eat the most nutritious food you can (which old canned goods, etc., clearly are not), then you don’t eat food that is years past its pull date.

If you want to eat the most nutritious food, then your only choice is fresh and organically grown! Every typical diet (even with can goods), will supply more than enough Vitamins for the average person. The real problem with all commercial foods, is a lack of trace minerals, but that is due to growing conditions and not preservation method or age. Swamp

The lack of trace minerals is a problem, which is why I use azomite in my garden.

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September 22, 2017 daaswampman 0

If you want to eat the most nutritious food you can (which old canned goods, etc., clearly are not), then you don’t eat food that is years past its pull date.

If you want to eat the most nutritious food, then your only choice is fresh and organically grown! Every typical diet (even with can goods), will supply more than enough Vitamins for the average person. The real problem with all commercial foods, is a lack of trace minerals, but that is due to growing conditions and not preservation method or age. Swamp

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September 22, 2017 daaswampman 0

If you want to eat the most nutritious food you can (which old canned goods, etc., clearly are not), then you don’t eat food that is years past its pull date.

If you want to eat the most nutritious food, then your only choice is fresh and organically grown! Every typical diet (even with can goods), will supply more than enough Vitamins for the average person. The real problem with all commercial foods, is a lack of trace minerals, but that is due to growing conditions and not preservation method or age. Swamp

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September 22, 2017 anita 0

I think this article proves my point. It agreed with me that the pull date isn’t some magical date after which the food isn’t any good, And, within the article, Janet Dudek said that the very old food had lower levels of vitamins–(and, oh by the way, no one tasted it, and frankly, it doesn’t sound like they did a lot of testing on it either.)

This debate happens every time this subject comes up, and frankly, I don’t know why I waste my time (I guess because I think good nutrition and food safety are important and I see all sorts of misinformation bandied about on these boards). People want to believe that there is nothing wrong with eating expired food, and in most cases, there isn’t, as long as the food isn’t years past its pull date.

There is a difference in food quality (and that isn’t necessarily something that can be observed) between eating recently expired food and food that expired several years ago. That’s just a fact. There’s also a difference between eating an old jelly, loaded with sugar, that you aren’t eating for the vitamins, and eating canned fruit or vegetables, or meats.

I also said that I’d eat very old food it if I were desperate and had nothing else. But there’s a big difference between being desperate, with nothing else to eat, and being penny wise and pound foolish. I tend to use canned foods if they are within 6 months, maybe a year past their pull date. But if you eat old canned goods and they provide you with little nutrition, or the fats have gone rancid, what have you saved?

If you want to eat the most nutritious food you can (which old canned goods, etc., clearly are not), then you don’t eat food that is years past its pull date.

Now, what the pull date really is for home-canned food is a whole other debate, because the USDA just puts a blanket one year expiration on it all, and clearly that isn’t anything definitive. I have tomatoes canned two years ago sitting in my basement that I intend to use, as long as they look/smell fine. But I will use them up or toss them before next year’s canning season. I also have pickles canned in 2015 and 2016 that I will definitely toss, because they darken and get soft after a year. (One more thing to do before I move!)

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September 21, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

Actually, the question here isn’t about store bought canned goods, it’s about home canned foods.

Yes, food starts to degrade immediately. I just wanted folks to share their experiences with home canned foods.

I thought of another experience to share. We canned some sausage links from Zaycon. Browned them a little then canned with broth. A year later we tested some and found that the consistency didn’t hold up well. They were very mushy, so we just break them up and make a scramble with eggs, onions and cheese.

Mrs FP

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September 20, 2017 anita 0

Obviously if you have nothing, you eat whatever you can find. People drink their own urine, cannibalize, or eat their dogs, or rats, or bugs when they are desperate. (Look what’s happening in Venezuela right now.)

That isn’t the question here.

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September 20, 2017 sageprice 0
anita wrote:
I just posted about this on another thread.

I have a BS in Food Science.

Canned food does not go bad on the pull date. That date gives an identifier, should something have to be recalled, as well as indication of when something should be replaced, but it doesn’t mean it’s no good the day or week after it expires.

Having said that, food degrades from the moment it is picked. It can be preserved to last longer, but it is constantly degrading, softening, darkening, losing vitamins, etc. The fats go rancid with time.

Have I eaten food past its due date? Yes. Do I eat things 5-10 years after? No. Whether it looks or tastes fine isn’t the issue. It’s whether the food still has much nutrition left in it. And that is on a continuum. From the time it is harvested on, the food is degrading. It may not make you sick. That doesn’t mean it’s good for you.

And, just as an example, about a year ago I got some gluten-free pasta out of my stores. It was well past the due date, but I used it anyway, because I figured–what could go bad with pasta? The next day I woke up with bloodshot, puffy eyes and other symptoms of having eaten something that wasn’t good for me. I’m pretty tuned in to how my body reacts to things (need to be after having celiac.) Twenty years ago I might not have noticed the reaction, but I did have a reaction, even though the pasta looked/tasted fine.

Sorry Anita, but when you are starving, you just want to make it till the next planting season.

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September 20, 2017 anita 0

I just posted about this on another thread.

I have a BS in Food Science.

Canned food does not go bad on the pull date. That date gives an identifier, should something have to be recalled, as well as indication of when something should be replaced, but it doesn’t mean it’s no good the day or week after it expires.

Having said that, food degrades from the moment it is picked. It can be preserved to last longer, but it is constantly degrading, softening, darkening, losing vitamins, etc. The fats go rancid with time.

Have I eaten food past its due date? Yes. Do I eat things 5-10 years after? No. Whether it looks or tastes fine isn’t the issue. It’s whether the food still has much nutrition left in it. And that is on a continuum. From the time it is harvested on, the food is degrading. It may not make you sick. That doesn’t mean it’s good for you.

And, just as an example, about a year ago I got some gluten-free pasta out of my stores. It was well past the due date, but I used it anyway, because I figured–what could go bad with pasta? The next day I woke up with bloodshot, puffy eyes and other symptoms of having eaten something that wasn’t good for me. I’m pretty tuned in to how my body reacts to things (need to be after having celiac.) Twenty years ago I might not have noticed the reaction, but I did have a reaction, even though the pasta looked/tasted fine.

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September 20, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

I believe it’s the USDA that makes the 1 year recommendation.

Had to laugh about the blackberry jam….it would never make it that long at our house!

Have heard of store bought tomato products going bad at their expiration date. Have encountered 1 can of store bought diced tomatoes being off. I wonder why home canned ones would last 20 years?

Anyone with experience with home canned meats? We know Preppers who have canned lots of meat and haven’t eaten any of it. Some of it is probably 5 years old.

Mrs FP

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September 20, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

In moving to the homestead, canned food that we had at the BOL is now moved into our house. This morning hubs shared some pear jam canned in 2012 with his old fart breakfast crew and they said it was delicious. The only thing I noticed was it was a little darker towards the top.

Tonite we opened a quart jar of honey vanilla pears canned in 2014. It had plenty of syrup so no dry top, the fruit still appeared firm and it wasn’t cloudy. The seal made a nice release sound when opened as well. The pears were lightly sweet and not mushy. There was no longer a scent or taste of vanilla though but I think we used extract and not a vanilla bean. We enjoyed them for dessert with a dollop of fresh whipped cream.

I know it is recommended that home canned food be consumed in a years time but as Preppers we tend to push that limit. Please share your experiences with home canned foods, good and bad. What’s the oldest food you’ve come upon, eaten or thrown out. What did or didn’t do well over time. Inquiring prepper minds want to know! :)

Mrs FP

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September 20, 2017 ForwardPreppers 0

In moving to the homestead, canned food that we had at the BOL is now moved into our house. This morning hubs shared some pear jam canned in 2012 with his old fart breakfast crew and they said it was delicious. The only thing I noticed was it was a little darker towards the top.

Tonite we opened a quart jar of honey vanilla pears canned in 2014. It had plenty of syrup so no dry top, the fruit still appeared firm and it wasn’t cloudy. The seal made a nice release sound when opened as well. The pears were lightly sweet and not mushy. There was no longer a scent or taste of vanilla though but I think we used extract and not a vanilla bean. We enjoyed them for dessert with a dollop of fresh whipped cream.

I know it is recommended that home canned food be consumed in a years time but as Preppers we tend to push that limit. Please share your experiences with home canned foods, good and bad. What’s the oldest food you’ve come upon, eaten or thrown out. What did or didn’t do well over time. Inquiring prepper minds want to know! :)

Mrs FP

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General Canning Topics • Re: Free Home Canning Guide

May 11, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
LetsPrep11 wrote:
Sorry! This link that has the complete guide.

http://www.healthycanning.com/wp-content/uploads/USDA-Complete-Guide-to-Home-Canning-2015-revision.pdf

Driven: The print is ‘Huge’ so you can read the directions from across the room! LOL Also, if they Scream the directions we might follow them.

LOL….Sounds about right. :)

Thanks again LP…. :wave:

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May 10, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0

That link is only bringing up the intro and table of contents for me…no actual guide.

Anyone else seeing that too?
It could just be my .pdf reader……

I found this link just trying to help out…..It seems to have each section for download…I opened the jelly section here and it was huge.
http://nchfp.uga.edu/publications/publications_usda.html

Thanks for the heads up Letsprep11…..

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General Canning Topics • Re: Canning Jar sale

May 8, 2017 JayJay 0

This is unusual and probably not worth searching…our WM NEVER has sales other stores have.
But, great price. The cheapest I ever got was $7 at Ace Hdw.

Again, these sales usually refer to pints…almost always.

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General Canning Topics • Re: Canning Jar sale

May 8, 2017 JayJay 0

This is unusual and probably not worth searching…our WM NEVER has sales other stores have.
But, great price. The cheapest I ever got was $7 at Ace Hdw.

Again, these sales usually refer to pints…almost always.

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May 2, 2017 theoutback 0

Wally World had quart canning jar cases on sale for $5 today, regularly $8.69. Not a bad deal, I never seem to see them on sale around here. I’m not sure if it would be the same at your local Walmart, but it might be worth a look see.

Canning jars are definitely in our preps. We’ve got about an extra dozen cases over what we normally use. I would really like to get that number up quite a bit.

Statistics: Posted by theoutback — Tue May 02, 2017 10:15 am