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March 19, 2017 arkieready 0

Panacure, safeguard. Brand names for fenbendazole. There are reports of successful studies on humans. Seems it’s safe and effective. I did read one interesting tidbit. I always heard do not give safeguard to cats, it’ll kill a cat. Apparently not. We used it on cows, sheep and the dogs.
I couldn’t easily find the infection rate for here in the US population for worms, etc. but you gotta know it’s not uncommon.

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March 19, 2017 anita 0

If something should happen, one of my concerns is how to deal with the stuff that will thrive–the vermin, bacteria, parasites, viruses, insects, and on and on.

I have stocked up on rat poison and traps, mosquito pucks (which won’t last long if you are in a neighborhood with a lot of swimming pools. It won’t just be your pool that breeds mosquitos), old herbalist books, knowledge on how to deal naturally with parasites, like what I posted earlier, etc. Ant bait, peppermint oil, fly paper, and so forth.

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March 19, 2017 lndtrdr 0

Back in 97 I got Giardia from the tap water in St. Petersburg Russia and took the standard medication to get rid of it. It took a while to finally get rid of it, and the medication felt like I was poisoning myself. Evidently the poison is strong enough to kill the Giardia but doesn’t kill us. It just feels like it is.

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March 19, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

read a disgusting article a few years ago – US military vet was back in the world – been posted ME as a villager PR type – went on a purge cleansing diet … one AM woke up and took his usual morning ritual walk down the hall – felt something wasn’t quite right – big ole tape worm had crawled out and was hanging half in & half out …. double yuk

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March 19, 2017 Matte 0
MoosePath wrote:
Reading another article, the drug praziquantel which is used for intestinal infections and worms I found is available from Vet Suppliers. Google the drug name and there are all kinds of articles about it’s uses and side effects. But since it is available from Vet suppliers without a prescription it might be a good thing to add to your preps.

Sold, or used to be anyway, as Fish-Tapes by Thomas Labs too. Used it for round worm infection twice in our last dog (who never found anything lying dead in the woods that wasn’t still good enough to try eating). Speaking of which, I need to check the purchase date on that fish-tapes bottle… Mebendazole, metronidazole, and permethrin cream (10%) in the pharmacy as well. Public shelters, road kill cuisine, dumpster diving, incomplete water purification – parasitic infections may be common following a major disaster.

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March 11, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

oldasrocks wrote:I could max out a credit card so easy on this site.

if they are legit – that’s what’s intriguing to me – anytime I see drugs that are usually prescribed being sold it’s Red Flag time …. haven’t seen lidocaine for sale anywhere – IV bags & gear is even rare ….

I did my normal google scans on them with certain keywords….This is what I found.

a review from 2015….
http://www.tacticalshit.com/deep-survival-review/

There is a reply there from the owner in the comments about having to change servers/web address.

Store owners personal FB page….
https://www.facebook.com/DeepSurvivalLLC

Store’s FB page(2,344 followers)
https://www.facebook.com/DeepSurvivalAtWeebly/?pnref=lhc

I do find it odd that there is no contact information showing a location…..the “about” info is extremely vague ….intentionally. …..it seems like an OPSEC thing to me.
The Ebay store no longer exist.
This is a self run website on Weebly.com

Initial search results…..seems like a good dude. I’d say tentatively in the “One of us” category……No complaints I can find anywhere, but then, not a lot of good reviews either.

This was just a courteous search I do on all vendors before I buy from them never hearing of them before……I’d personally do a very small purchase to judge the results before a $$$$ Purchase.

Seems legit but I haven’t dealt with them…. If anyone does, please post results…..there’s good gear there.

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March 11, 2017 IceFire 0
Stahlrosen wrote:
I do find sites like this intriguing if nothing else for ideas on things we may not have thought of. A lot of our “trauma” type supplies we get from equine suppliers, fluids, suture, special bandages, charcoal, etc. Sometimes it is less expensive through those routes.

I agree. Fluids, IV setups, suture needles and material, syringes, needles, certain meds, etc. I usually buy through my local farm/ranch store or feed store. Certain other meds I get through the local aquarium supply store.

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March 11, 2017 IceFire 0
Stahlrosen wrote:
I do find sites like this intriguing if nothing else for ideas on things we may not have thought of. A lot of our “trauma” type supplies we get from equine suppliers, fluids, suture, special bandages, charcoal, etc. Sometimes it is less expensive through those routes.

I agree. Fluids, IV setups, suture needles and material, syringes, needles, certain meds, etc. I usually buy through my local farm/ranch store or feed store. Certain other meds I get through the local aquarium supply store.

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March 10, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

I don’t recommend prepper supply sites too often – this one is intriguing – heavy on the emergency medical supply side – gear rarely if ever seen on the market – prices seem high overall especially for the more common stuff …

check it our yourself – purchase at your own risk ….

http://deepsurvival.weebly.com/store/c1 … ducts.html

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March 8, 2017 MoosePath 0

Reading another article, the drug praziquantel which is used for intestinal infections and worms I found is available from Vet Suppliers. Google the drug name and there are all kinds of articles about it’s uses and side effects. But since it is available from Vet suppliers without a prescription it might be a good thing to add to your preps.

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March 7, 2017 anita 0

Drake, I’ve done the parasite diet, and the lack of raw vegetables was the hardest aspect. I gave a simplified version. I’d have to find the info to give the specifics. If I come across it I wll.

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March 7, 2017 Drakenstead1 0

Giardia is nasty stuff. The information in this post got me interested in researching it. I’ll do so. I know a couple of folks who came down with it. They both took a year or so to recover with the help of modern medicine. It’s easy to pick up and tough to clear. I do know one place the island of Dominica (not Dominican Republic) where they told me they were the only island in the Carribbian (sp?) where one could safely drink stream water. Mostly due to the high Sulphur content of the streams which are coming off active volcanos. I suspect that Sulphur might be part of the ancient treatment mnodality.

I do know that for other more common intestinal parasites like round worms or tape worms the old cure was “wurmmuth” ie: worm herb (Artemesia Absinthum or Absinthe). A strong tea was made of the dried herb and the patient (usually a child) was made to drink it. According to the Grand mothers it worked every time. At the least the kids would never complain about the symptoms again because it’s REALLY foul. This is the reason that you find wild grown absinth growing all over the German settled sections of the country on abandoned farmsteads. The currently available “Absinthe” liquor is not real and does not contain the active ingredients necessary.
I am also aware of an old Scandinavian recipe whereby a sugar cube infused with turpentine would clear up a case of round worms. My guess is that this is pretty effective though I’m hoping I never need to test it. My Great Grandmother swore by it though I hear.

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March 7, 2017 MoosePath 0
anita wrote:
I went to a lecture on parasites once, and it was mentioned that in third world countries they will have their kids squat over a tub of milk twice a year to expel parasites. I did a search and saw this:

http://www.myhealthblog.org/2011/01/17/ … milk-bath/

Additionally, a parasite diet would help. That means, no dairy, no sugar, no raw vegetables and few fruits (I believe blueberries are okay.) No raw lettuce. Cooked spinach/kale, etc is okay. I think the reason for no raw vegetables and fruits is to keep from re-infecting yourself, but I’m not sure. I imagine there are other things I’ve forgotten. The basic idea is to minimize the sugars/carbs you eat (dairy is actually a lot of carbs)

I’ve done it. It’s no fun, but it did work. It takes a minimum of 3 weeks, but it can take a year or more, depending on how strictly you adhere to the diet. It helps to take various herbal remedies at the same time, but I don’t know what they are offhand.

The diet would be a way to treat yourself if you had no access to medication.

Interesting remedy, hope I never have to try it but it is good to know. I wonder if it would work with powdered milk, LOL. Especially since we have no cows or goats to milk. The not eating raw vegetables and fruit would be hard as that is the only vegetables I eat. Thank you for the info, I never thought of this aspect of surviving a collapse until we were watching the show and my wife said what would we do if put in a situation like these people were in after a collapse? I’ll have to order more powdered milk and put away more sugar (just in case).

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March 7, 2017 MoosePath 0
IceFire wrote:
When I worked at the base veterinary clinic overseas, the medication of choice for Giardia was metronidazole. As far as I know, it’s the same for humans. Metronidazole is also used as a treatment for flukes in aquarium fish.

Thank you IceFire, I did a search and found an article about using metronidazole on humans for giardia. They also said if treating empirically for inflammatory diarrhea (bloody diarrhea), it would be advisable to also give ciprofloxacin to treat for any type of pathogenic e-coli strains or salmonella.

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March 7, 2017 anita 0

I went to a lecture on parasites once, and it was mentioned that in third world countries they will have their kids squat over a tub of milk twice a year to expel parasites. I did a search and saw this:

http://www.myhealthblog.org/2011/01/17/ … milk-bath/

Additionally, a parasite diet would help. That means, no dairy, no sugar, no raw vegetables and few fruits (I believe blueberries are okay.) No raw lettuce. Cooked spinach/kale, etc is okay. I think the reason for no raw vegetables and fruits is to keep from re-infecting yourself, but I’m not sure. I imagine there are other things I’ve forgotten. The basic idea is to minimize the sugars/carbs you eat (dairy is actually a lot of carbs)

I’ve done it. It’s no fun, but it did work. It takes a minimum of 3 weeks, but it can take a year or more, depending on how strictly you adhere to the diet. It helps to take various herbal remedies at the same time, but I don’t know what they are offhand.

The diet would be a way to treat yourself if you had no access to medication.

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March 7, 2017 IceFire 0

When I worked at the base veterinary clinic overseas, the medication of choice for Giardia was metronidazole. As far as I know, it’s the same for humans. Metronidazole is also used as a treatment for flukes in aquarium fish.

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March 7, 2017 MoosePath 0

Watching an episode of Monsters Inside Me on TV and got to thinking about treating parasites in a collapse type situation. I did a search here for anti-parasitic remedies and giardia and nothing came up. I was wondering if I missed it somewhere on here. Thinking about a total collapse what would/could a person do who contracted say giardia from drinking water. Anybody have any cures/ suggestions?

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March 4, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
ReadyMom wrote:

PrepperProperties wrote:Last time down, the “farmacia” in Walmart told us we need a prescription to purchase any antibiotics, including amoxicillin.
Anyone else had this problem recently?
Thanks!

We were just ‘over the border’ a week ago. I was told we need a script for narcotics. I got prednisone, penicillin,amoxicillin, ampicillin & Omeprazole without a script. At the American side of the border, as I showed my passport to come back in I told them I had antibiotics and they let me go right through. People buying liquor (GREAT prices! … I need to make that one of my next purchases 8) ) had to declare it and I’m assuming pay a tax. But I don’t know for sure, because we didn’t get it, this trip.

Our son just got signed to play with a professional Texas soccer team ( proud soccer mom bragging moment :D:D:D ), so we’ll be making a lot of trips in the area and I plan on taking advantage of it whenever I can. -k

better get that Mexico prepping mission completed ASAP – going to start getting bad down there – 10X worse for a gringo …. with Trump’s people in charge at the State Dept a travel warning would hopefully be much more realistic in their assessment …

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March 4, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
ReadyMom wrote:

PrepperProperties wrote:Last time down, the “farmacia” in Walmart told us we need a prescription to purchase any antibiotics, including amoxicillin.
Anyone else had this problem recently?
Thanks!

We were just ‘over the border’ a week ago. I was told we need a script for narcotics. I got prednisone, penicillin,amoxicillin, ampicillin & Omeprazole without a script. At the American side of the border, as I showed my passport to come back in I told them I had antibiotics and they let me go right through. People buying liquor (GREAT prices! … I need to make that one of my next purchases 8) ) had to declare it and I’m assuming pay a tax. But I don’t know for sure, because we didn’t get it, this trip.

Our son just got signed to play with a professional Texas soccer team ( proud soccer mom bragging moment :D:D:D ), so we’ll be making a lot of trips in the area and I plan on taking advantage of it whenever I can. -k

better get that Mexico prepping mission completed ASAP – going to start getting bad down there – 10X worse for a gringo …. with Trump’s people in charge at the State Dept a travel warning would hopefully be much more realistic in their assessment …

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March 4, 2017 ReadyMom 0
PrepperProperties wrote:
Last time down, the “farmacia” in Walmart told us we need a prescription to purchase any antibiotics, including amoxicillin.
Anyone else had this problem recently?
Thanks!

We were just ‘over the border’ a week ago. I was told we need a script for narcotics. I got prednisone, penicillin,amoxicillin, ampicillin & Omeprazole without a script. At the American side of the border, as I showed my passport to come back in I told them I had antibiotics and they let me go right through. People buying liquor (GREAT prices! … I need to make that one of my next purchases 8) ) had to declare it and I’m assuming pay a tax. But I don’t know for sure, because we didn’t get it, this trip.

Our son just got signed to play with a professional Texas soccer team ( proud soccer mom bragging moment :D:D:D ), so we’ll be making a lot of trips in the area and I plan on taking advantage of it whenever I can. -k

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March 4, 2017 ReadyMom 0
PrepperProperties wrote:
Last time down, the “farmacia” in Walmart told us we need a prescription to purchase any antibiotics, including amoxicillin.
Anyone else had this problem recently?
Thanks!

We were just ‘over the border’ a week ago. I was told we need a script for narcotics. I got prednisone, penicillin,amoxicillin, ampicillin & Omeprazole without a script. At the American side of the border, as I showed my passport to come back in I told them I had antibiotics and they let me go right through. People buying liquor (GREAT prices! … I need to make that one of my next purchases 8) ) had to declare it and I’m assuming pay a tax. But I don’t know for sure, because we didn’t get it, this trip.

Our son just got signed to play with a professional Texas soccer team ( proud soccer mom bragging moment :D:D:D ), so we’ll be making a lot of trips in the area and I plan on taking advantage of it whenever I can. -k

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February 26, 2017 Matte 0

I do not understand all those exclamation points Swamp. I’ve advised against making an anesthetic, recommended learning to treat more common ailments painlessly first, and only suggested general anesthesia in layman’s hands as an option to relieve suffering for the dying at the end of the world. What I have been suggesting, and I do follow my own advice, is that you may want to have the tools that the talented might need to save your a$$. I’m not going to pay the inflated rates for drugs in short supply during a disaster if I can acquire them inexpensively now. If you don’t see a need for anesthetics in a disaster/collapse, then don’t get any Swamp. I am sorry you’ve seen such tragedies, each is worthy of it’s own thread so we all might learn something from them?

But back on topic, and more basic, local anesthesia might be a better place to start putting a few dollars now. It’s not just good for local infiltration for suturing or ingrown toenails, in the right hands it can be used for nerve or Bier blocks, or epidurals, to anesthetize much larger areas for more invasive procedures. Lidocaine is good and relatively easy to acquire without a scrip, for longer term storage you can get it in powder form which has a longer shelf life than the liquid. Unless it’s going to be strictly for local infiltration you probably don’t want the kind with epinephrine in it. Stock the extra items they’ll most likely need, sterile syringes, needles (small, 20-23 gauge), and gloves at least. If going with the powdered lidocaine variety then the prefilled saline flush syringes would be a good idea, for dissolving the powder in. The prepacked and sterile laceration trays might be good too, even if it’s not a laceration being treated (~$10 and up, get the ones that include sterile gloves imo).

Regarding the professionals that avoid threads like this, maybe they’d be able to suggest what they’d hope a patient would bring with them if they were open for business but running low on supplies at the EOTW?

Murby wrote:
Well folks, it looks like my anesthesia problem has been solved!

In a word “Ether”… yup.. it is that simple and its something the average person can purchase. Its also safe, well… safe in relative context. its easy to use and from what I can tell, seems to be the type of drug that allows one to select the level of sedation.

While I will be purchasing a small supply of it, I also learned its not even that difficult to make if one has access to a grade school level chemistry set.. (which I do).. and I’ve downloaded the instructions and a video on the procedure to manufacture it.

I’m not an expert on it obviously and still have much research to do.. but from what I can tell, I can buy a 500ml bottle for $50 that is enough to completely anesthetize at least 20 to 30 times….

That’s what I chose, it’s the old school standard and no legal issues. You have more lab knowledge than me, I wouldn’t feel confident trying to produce it – some minor pharmaceutical compounding (and some pyrotechnics) are my only experience since high school chemistry. Be careful what ever you do, personally I wouldn’t use it (except as mentioned above) unless at the EOTW and the situation so bad that there was no penalty for surgical failure.

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February 26, 2017 Murby 0

Well folks, it looks like my anesthesia problem has been solved!

In a word “Ether”… yup.. it is that simple and its something the average person can purchase. Its also safe, well… safe in relative context. its easy to use and from what I can tell, seems to be the type of drug that allows one to select the level of sedation.

While I will be purchasing a small supply of it, I also learned its not even that difficult to make if one has access to a grade school level chemistry set.. (which I do).. and I’ve downloaded the instructions and a video on the procedure to manufacture it.

I’m not an expert on it obviously and still have much research to do.. but from what I can tell, I can buy a 500ml bottle for $50 that is enough to completely anesthetize at least 20 to 30 times….

Oh.. and by the way.. I’d also like to convey a bit of my own personal experience with “self administered anesthesia”… A few months ago, we slaughtered all our pigs as we normally do when it gets cold.. We also process all the meat ourselves. While I’ve been processing deer for years, its only in the past three years we started processing pigs too. So in light of all my complaining about sharp knives, my friend went out an bought me a Christmas gift this past winter.. A professional grade, general use butchering knife… This is a $75 piece of hardware that seems to be sharper than my brand new razors.. I was amazed when I started cutting.

So there I am, humming along, slicing and dicing with my new knife.. You all know where this is going don’t you? yup.. I did it.. Not being used to the cutting power of this wonderfully sharp instrument, I sliced my finger from knuckle to knuckle and all the way to the bone.. What really amazed me is that I felt the knife “bump” me, but didn’t feel it actually cut me.. and yet it opened me right up..

Damn that hurt.. I was starting to pour sweat, hot flashes, getting light headed, and I knew darn well that my wife was going to have to clean it out (raw pork!) and then close it up. I could have gone to the hospital, there’s a clinic just a few miles down the road, but I didn’t want to go through that.

So, I self medicated myself with something called a “Whippet” that contains nitrous oxide.. As soon as a sucked in my first breath, I was instantly relaxed.. My heart rate normalized, I stopped sweating, and I felt a whole lot better… I could still feel the pain but it didn’t bother me anymore. My wife dunked my finger in some hydrogen peroxide, hit it with some iodine, (or is it iodide?), and then let it air dry.. Once it was dried, she super-glued it together, and then wrapped it up.

How nice it was to have that nitrous around and a whippet cracker to dump it into a party balloon…

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February 26, 2017 daaswampman 0

So let’s pretend you develop a method of anesthesia that does not immediately kill or injure your patient! What are you going to do with it? Do you have the skills to perform surgical or invasive procedures? Are you ready to deal with family members when things don’t go well! Rest assured people are not always grateful for your efforts. I once had a gun put in my face at an accident scene when I told the family, there was nothing I could do. I was glad to still be alive when the police arrived. You don’t forget having a gun in your face and people screaming “Do Something” for a dead patient!

There are fairly safe and relatively simple methods for low level sedation, but without the skills to know when and how to use them, they could do more harm than good.

It is threads like this, that the Pros on this forum usually avoid. And yes there are several on this forum. I wish you the best and hope you go with the basics first. Swamp

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February 25, 2017 Matte 0

Could always consult a medical dictionary :) Won’t argue with someone’s personal feelings or religious beliefs daaswampman, if it’s wrong for you then it’s wrong.

Back on topic, the Anesthesia and Perioperative Care of the Combat Casualty details the different types of anesthesia in use today. Chapter 31 is the history of military anesthesia (or lack thereof). Chapter 7 is a detailed description of military anesthesia machines, including the UNIVERSAL PORTABLE ANESTHESIA CIRCUIT (PAC) which is a vaporizer/”draw over” anesthesia device for administering liquid anesthestics that doesn’t require supplemental oxygen. It has built in settings for use with diethyl ether, enflurane, halothane, and isoflurane. A significant improvement over open drop administration, and about as simple and portable as an anesthesia machine can be done (short of “bottle and rag” anyway). Following a collapse, and after the IV anesthetic agents are exhausted, seems reasonable this or it’s improvised analogues might be the standard both because of simplicity and the relative ease that ether can be produced in a lab. Military level 2 med units (the lowest level where emergency surgery can be performed) use these PACs, so you’d be likely to see them in any significant disaster where the military was sent to assist. Plan accordingly.

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February 25, 2017 daaswampman 0
Matte wrote:

In medicine, specifically in end-of-life care, palliative sedation (also known as terminal sedation, continuous deep sedation, or sedation for intractable distress in the dying/of a dying patient) is the palliative practice of relieving distress in a terminally ill person in the last hours or days of a dying patient’s life, usually by means of a continuous intravenous or subcutaneous infusion of a sedative drug, or by means of a specialized catheter designed to provide comfortable and discreet administration of ongoing medications via the rectal route. Palliative sedation is an option of last resort for patients whose symptoms cannot be controlled by any other means. It is not a form of euthanasia, as the goal of palliative sedation is to control symptoms, rather than to shorten the patient’s life.

From the wiki just so we’re on the same page. Terminal sedation is not euthanasia.

Terminal sedation is rarely used and only in the last day or two with terminal patients – usually patients dying from cancer. It remains highly controversial as there are other options to treat symptoms and it can easily kill or shorten a patients life. Wiki is a wonderful online encyclopedia, but it is not a definitive resource!

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Wikipedia is written collaboratively by largely anonymous volunteers who write without pay. Anyone with Internet access can write and make changes to Wikipedia articles, except in limited cases where editing is restricted to prevent disruption or vandalism. Users can contribute anonymously, under a pseudonym, or, if they choose to, with their real identity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About

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February 25, 2017 Matte 0
In medicine, specifically in end-of-life care, palliative sedation (also known as terminal sedation, continuous deep sedation, or sedation for intractable distress in the dying/of a dying patient) is the palliative practice of relieving distress in a terminally ill person in the last hours or days of a dying patient’s life, usually by means of a continuous intravenous or subcutaneous infusion of a sedative drug, or by means of a specialized catheter designed to provide comfortable and discreet administration of ongoing medications via the rectal route. Palliative sedation is an option of last resort for patients whose symptoms cannot be controlled by any other means. It is not a form of euthanasia, as the goal of palliative sedation is to control symptoms, rather than to shorten the patient’s life.

From the wiki just so we’re on the same page. Terminal sedation is not euthanasia.

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February 24, 2017 daaswampman 0

Euthanasia is another subject with its own set of issues, but it is not difficult to perform. There are dozens of books available on the subject. Final Exit has a number of do it yourself at home suggestions. As a Christian I would not assist with it under any circumstance. The process of death is rarely what you see on TV or in the movies. Be careful and know what your doing, or you could make the process much worse than if you did nothing. Swamp

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February 24, 2017 Matte 0

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever … l-supplies

Leaving her daughter’s side, Yamila went on a frantic search for medical supplies so basic that no hospital — let alone one of the country’s largest teaching hospitals — should ever run out of them. But none of the hospitals or pharmacies she visited had them in stock. In the end, despite concerns about the quality of the supplies, and unsure whether she had the correct catheters and needles for a newborn, Yamila had no option but to buy whatever she could find on the black market — with no quality guarantees.

Venezuela’s health care system, long a source of pride for the government, is in deep crisis. Thousands of patients cannot get essential medical treatments, and thousands more have been wait-listed for potentially life-saving surgery because doctors don’t have the materials they need to operate.

http://time.com/4419186/photographing-v … -collapse/

Alvaro Ybarra Zavala puts it bluntly: “Venezuela has become hell.”

The photographer had just returned from one of his latest trips to the South American nation when he talked to TIME, and he was visibly affected by the chaos he had witnessed there. “There’s a complete collapse of society,” he said.

Once an example for the continent, Venezuela is now a country in freefall. “It’s hard to find food, there’s no medicine,” said Ybarra Zavala. “If you have to have surgery, you need to bring everything with you: the bandages, the gloves, everything. There are no anesthetics.”

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/05/1 … ls-or.html

Caracas, Venezuela – At Caracas University Hospital (HUC), the shortage of medical supplies is beyond painful.

Dozens of patients here have been waiting for months to undergo surgery as their health continues to deteriorate. In many cases, their lives are at risk and they are asked to bring their own medical supplies. Doctors say they want to help but can’t.

A physician who asked to remain anonymous told Fox News Latino this week that they are only performing emergency operations at this time due to the acute shortage of the most basic supplies and instruments at the state-run facility.

“We don’t even have stitching material, gauze pads or medical solution and most of the equipment for anesthesia is broken,” he said. “If the patient brings everything, we try to operate.”

Don’t think anyone would classify the Venezuelan crisis as an end-of-the-world situation, yet there’s the reality of medical care in Venezuela today. Plan accordingly. I completely agree on insurance, particularly in a collapse. Bring money (cash, gold, or lots of silver). You’ll need it to get to the front of the line, and to bribe, I mean show your appreciation, to the doctors, nurses, and orderlies for the best care possible.

The scenario/pics at the end of my last post was meant in the context of humane terminal sedation (palliative end-of-life) in an EOTW situation, not as part of first-aid care. i.e., “Relax Son, we need to sedate you so we can get you out of there. Just breathe normally and you’ll be waking up in your bed before you know it”, even though you know that’s probably not going to be the case. Just clarifying that as it may not have been clear the way I stated it earlier. It’s just an option some may want to consider, although diethyl ether wouldn’t be my first choice of an agent.

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First Aid & Medicine • Re: Anesthesia – How?

February 24, 2017 daaswampman 0

Even if the worst happens, we will not instantly be thrown back to the stone age. There is a difference between something existing and it being available to you! Between government and private concerns, advanced medical care will continue to be practiced for those with influence or money.

Do you believe a VA or Medicare card gets you the best possible care today? Do you believe the Trumps, Gates, etc., etc, will suffer like the masses or worry about insurance claims? That is peon thinking, just like money can’t buy happiness or love! Wanna bet anyone is miserable because they have a fat wallet or rich people never get any offers?

Learn the basics now and worry about advances treatment when you know what to do with it! Nice pictures, but getting the car off of them so they could breath and you could stop any bleeding might have been a better use of their time. Swamp

Statistics: Posted by daaswampman — Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:44 pm