A.N.T.S. • Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

June 9, 2017 angie_nrs 0

Well, even if you have a plan on WHO your doctor will be, you should be prepared for the fact that in a SHTF situation, they won’t be able to rely on the tech that they use now, so their diagnostic abilities will be significantly hampered. Without a proper diagnosis, treatment will be tricky at best. No X-rays, MRI’s, Ultrasounds, blood tests, scope surgeries, etc. If you think about it, most of your health care is completely reliant on tech. As more time passes, doctors are also more reliant on tech. As the older generation of docs retire (which they are currently doing at an alarming rate) you will be left with doctors who have little or no experience on tech free doctoring. As it is now, the insurance companies tie the doctors hands and they can’t practice the way they want to anyways….but that is a different topic for a different day. The point is, your doctor won’t be nearly as good at his/her job as they used to be. And if you think it’s hard to get an appointment now………..

I am very anti pharmaceutical, so thankfully, I won’t personally have to worry about no meds. However, I have recently become fascinated with tinctures, oils, and herbs as I prefer the natural route. Even though learning about herbal and alternative remedies is a huge (almost daunting) task, I think it is time well spent. If nothing else, I would make sure to have reference books on hand. Also have some recipes on hand for typical tinctures and have the supplies on hand to make your own if the need arises. Better yet, practice now! At the very least I would suggest some dark colored eye dropper bottles, small (pint or half pint) jars with lids, small funnels, and 100% vodka. You can find the supplies pretty cheaply on amazon or online vet stores.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Who Will Be Your Doctor?

June 9, 2017 angie_nrs 0

Well, even if you have a plan on WHO your doctor will be, you should be prepared for the fact that in a SHTF situation, they won’t be able to rely on the tech that they use now, so their diagnostic abilities will be significantly hampered. Without a proper diagnosis, treatment will be tricky at best. No X-rays, MRI’s, Ultrasounds, blood tests, scope surgeries, etc. If you think about it, most of your health care is completely reliant on tech. As more time passes, doctors are also more reliant on tech. As the older generation of docs retire (which they are currently doing at an alarming rate) you will be left with doctors who have little or no experience on tech free doctoring. As it is now, the insurance companies tie the doctors hands and they can’t practice the way they want to anyways….but that is a different topic for a different day. The point is, your doctor won’t be nearly as good at his/her job as they used to be. And if you think it’s hard to get an appointment now………..

I am very anti pharmaceutical, so thankfully, I won’t personally have to worry about no meds. However, I have recently become fascinated with tinctures, oils, and herbs as I prefer the natural route. Even though learning about herbal and alternative remedies is a huge (almost daunting) task, I think it is time well spent. If nothing else, I would make sure to have reference books on hand. Also have some recipes on hand for typical tinctures and have the supplies on hand to make your own if the need arises. Better yet, practice now! At the very least I would suggest some dark colored eye dropper bottles, small (pint or half pint) jars with lids, small funnels, and 100% vodka. You can find the supplies pretty cheaply on amazon or online vet stores.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 8, 2017 daaswampman 0

While it is not possible to disappear, there are hundreds of things you can do to tone things down. I pity those who can only think in black or white. Just like I don’t wear my best cloths or drive a Porsche when I go antiquing and running the junk shops! My home is on the upper end and there is nothing I would change about that. Why give up today for something that may not happen in my lifetime? I have been waiting for the big one for thirty years – any questions?

Thieves will hit the easiest target first in our normal world and a decent level of security makes sense. If it all goes to hell, everything is a target. If your foolish enough to keep all you stuff in one spot, think you can defend it under any circumstances, or think more than one person will ever keep a secrete – good luck!

Rural and small town homes offer some advantages, but there are no secrets in small towns! Then there is that annoying fact that most rural crimes are committed on people by people they know. Your neighbors may be good people, but what about all their kids, relatives, and in laws? Prepping is downright silly if it does not include what you know will happen! Swamp

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 8, 2017 daaswampman 0

While it is not possible to disappear, there are hundreds of things you can do to tone things down. I pity those who can only think in black or white. Just like I don’t wear my best cloths or drive a Porsche when I go antiquing and running the junk shops! My home is on the upper end and there is nothing I would change about that. Why give up today for something that may not happen in my lifetime? I have been waiting for the big one for thirty years – any questions?

Thieves will hit the easiest target first in our normal world and a decent level of security makes sense. If it all goes to hell, everything is a target. If your foolish enough to keep all you stuff in one spot, think you can defend it under any circumstances, or think more than one person will ever keep a secrete – good luck!

Rural and small town homes offer some advantages, but there are no secrets in small towns! Then there is that annoying fact that most rural crimes are committed on people by people they know. Your neighbors may be good people, but what about all their kids, relatives, and in laws? Prepping is downright silly if it does not include what you know will happen! Swamp

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Cadit wrote:
That trailer isn’t much different than mine, it has regular rail sides and a liner with a cover to keep things dry. Very lite and easy to pull, I put my weights in it sometimes and pull it loaded with about 70 to 75 pounds. At first it would ware me out, but after a short time, I got use to the extra load.

The big thing is going through the woods after it has rained, Hard going here. Don’t do that much. Had ended up pushing it a couple of times. Tires like those on the beach bikes would work better, but that’s a different type of bike all together. :'(

I don’t think I would even try to go through a woods with a trailer. Most likely burn more energy then if you did several trips with the bike and back pack.

I was thinking more like bugging out early, before the people finally realize they are screwed. Or after all the violence subsides and you need to get around.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Cadit wrote:
That trailer isn’t much different than mine, it has regular rail sides and a liner with a cover to keep things dry. Very lite and easy to pull, I put my weights in it sometimes and pull it loaded with about 70 to 75 pounds. At first it would ware me out, but after a short time, I got use to the extra load.

The big thing is going through the woods after it has rained, Hard going here. Don’t do that much. Had ended up pushing it a couple of times. Tires like those on the beach bikes would work better, but that’s a different type of bike all together. :'(

I don’t think I would even try to go through a woods with a trailer. Most likely burn more energy then if you did several trips with the bike and back pack.

I was thinking more like bugging out early, before the people finally realize they are screwed. Or after all the violence subsides and you need to get around.

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A.N.T.S. • Who Will Be Your Doctor?

June 8, 2017 Cadit 0

If and I say If or When the grid goes down in SHTF event. Who will be your doctor? You, and family member. What is their knowledge base? Where will you get your meds needed in a hostile situation or environment? Like Comms, Water and food, this too is a very important part of prepping. choose your training wisely, don’t invest time and money in skills that want benefit you and your family Immediately, and know that all other skills are trade skills to help provide or supplement. Presently; I myself know these skills, my wife know some. but learning.

I have so far invested in: Comms, Herbalism, Emergency Medical, for my base skills and are working on more. It takes time and practice, I try to hone these daily. What is your base skills? and Who all know how to do or use them?

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A.N.T.S. • Who Will Be Your Doctor?

June 8, 2017 Cadit 0

If and I say If or When the grid goes down in SHTF event. Who will be your doctor? You, and family member. What is their knowledge base? Where will you get your meds needed in a hostile situation or environment? Like Comms, Water and food, this too is a very important part of prepping. choose your training wisely, don’t invest time and money in skills that want benefit you and your family Immediately, and know that all other skills are trade skills to help provide or supplement. Presently; I myself know these skills, my wife know some. but learning.

I have so far invested in: Comms, Herbalism, Emergency Medical, for my base skills and are working on more. It takes time and practice, I try to hone these daily. What is your base skills? and Who all know how to do or use them?

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Cadit 0

That trailer isn’t much different than mine, it has regular rail sides and a liner with a cover to keep things dry. Very lite and easy to pull, I put my weights in it sometimes and pull it loaded with about 70 to 75 pounds. At first it would ware me out, but after a short time, I got use to the extra load.

The big thing is going through the woods after it has rained, Hard going here. Don’t do that much. Had ended up pushing it a couple of times. Tires like those on the beach bikes would work better, but that’s a different type of bike all together. :'(

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Cadit 0

That trailer isn’t much different than mine, it has regular rail sides and a liner with a cover to keep things dry. Very lite and easy to pull, I put my weights in it sometimes and pull it loaded with about 70 to 75 pounds. At first it would ware me out, but after a short time, I got use to the extra load.

The big thing is going through the woods after it has rained, Hard going here. Don’t do that much. Had ended up pushing it a couple of times. Tires like those on the beach bikes would work better, but that’s a different type of bike all together. :'(

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 8, 2017 Cadit 0

Appositely right; If you are looking to blend in, then don’t advertise your goods. It’s like being the gray man, it take practice, then over time, people will stop noticing you. It is hardest for people that are naturally extraverts to tone down and not be the center of everyone’s attention. And the same goes for their house, the more beautiful, innate and ornamental it is the more people notice. But the same can be said about the unkempt property. It too will draw attention you don’t want. If people are aware of you and your home, they will also noticed things you bring into your home, and how much. :shock:

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 8, 2017 Cadit 0

Appositely right; If you are looking to blend in, then don’t advertise your goods. It’s like being the gray man, it take practice, then over time, people will stop noticing you. It is hardest for people that are naturally extraverts to tone down and not be the center of everyone’s attention. And the same goes for their house, the more beautiful, innate and ornamental it is the more people notice. But the same can be said about the unkempt property. It too will draw attention you don’t want. If people are aware of you and your home, they will also noticed things you bring into your home, and how much. :shock:

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0

I have thought about this too. I was once considering a bike with an electric motor and lithium battery. Some of them recharge going down hill.

Also a trailer is a good thing.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0

I have thought about this too. I was once considering a bike with an electric motor and lithium battery. Some of them recharge going down hill.

Also a trailer is a good thing.

C:\Users\matr06047\Desktop\2017-06-08 11_55_48-Amazon.com _ Allen Sports Deluxe 2-Child Steel Bicycle Trailer, Red _ Sports & O.png

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 8, 2017 sageprice 0
Cadit wrote:
I think some have missed the whole point, don’t go putting up security fences, or covering front, back and sides with flood lights that looks like a runway. Just be like everyone else on your street and community. Don’t go making yourself a target. The pandemic signage is a deterrent just like a large dog. But you are right to a degree, if you put out a sign on a plague, that’s too soon for that have happened, and was not part of a known health issues. You would stand out big time.

Nothing was said or implied to disguising your home, just don’t go dumb-ass crazy putting in all kinds of security that is visible, that would draw undue attention to you and your family, putting you in the spot light.

Totally agree, you can have a GRAY house by not advertising. Better a rose hedge than a blank wall. Better ducks than a roaming dogs. Better noise sensors than motion sensors. Better a delayed grass cutting than a manicured lawn. Blend in and slightly below the norm. Do not stand out.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 8, 2017 sageprice 0
Cadit wrote:
I think some have missed the whole point, don’t go putting up security fences, or covering front, back and sides with flood lights that looks like a runway. Just be like everyone else on your street and community. Don’t go making yourself a target. The pandemic signage is a deterrent just like a large dog. But you are right to a degree, if you put out a sign on a plague, that’s too soon for that have happened, and was not part of a known health issues. You would stand out big time.

Nothing was said or implied to disguising your home, just don’t go dumb-ass crazy putting in all kinds of security that is visible, that would draw undue attention to you and your family, putting you in the spot light.

Totally agree, you can have a GRAY house by not advertising. Better a rose hedge than a blank wall. Better ducks than a roaming dogs. Better noise sensors than motion sensors. Better a delayed grass cutting than a manicured lawn. Blend in and slightly below the norm. Do not stand out.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 sageprice 0

I found that a bike is a good prep item, SO LONG as you use frequently. Nothing is worse than relearning how to use a tool that will wear you down because you are not use to it. Even an exercise bike will get those old legs use to pedaling long distance.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 sageprice 0

I found that a bike is a good prep item, SO LONG as you use frequently. Nothing is worse than relearning how to use a tool that will wear you down because you are not use to it. Even an exercise bike will get those old legs use to pedaling long distance.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 dmwalsh568 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

dmwalsh568 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:bikes aren’t only for bugging out – you’ll be needing non-motorized transportation for getting around and hauling things ….

Heavy-duty garden carts are more useful for hauling things around. I have a cart with a 400 pound capacity, that I can use to lug water jugs from the river or move supplies around anywhere I can walk.

But I do want to add some bikes to my preps since they are just so useful compared to just being stuck on foot. But even if I get a bike trailer, I don’t expect to be able to move the same amount of stuff that I can on that garden cart…

???? ‘- lucky you if you EVER have that much to haul during a SHTF – target that big is hard to miss …. how’s a heavy garden cart taking you 5 miles down the road to Bartertown Flea Market for exchanging a few pounds of goods for another few pounds in return …. and like most people – hard to store – innocuous – SHTF only items aren’t going to cut it for preppers … you’re an anomaly having current day to day use – we use a thing called a truck ….

I am pretty lucky that I have room for occasional use only items. The garden cart gets used only a few times a year for moving things around during planting season and for fall cleanup. But it’s durable enough that I really got it to haul water. I’m not as young as I used to be and I don’t want to have to haul water by hand from the river every day if the SHTF. By having the cart I can haul 25 gallons back from the river and not have to worry about going back for a few days to a week depending on how many folks make it to my place.

And sure, if I was going to the local post SHTF flea market then I’d be a fool to bring a cart fully loaded with barter supplies, but I’m not a fool and have backpacks and smaller carts too. I plan on blending in and not being a juicy target – although a large part of that will be not going to any trading markets until well after things have stabilized. No reason to advertise I have more than others.

I just wanted folks to think about carts as well as bikes. Bikes give you range, but carts let you haul heavy stuff around – water, rocks/bricks, wood, or whatever.

Statistics: Posted by dmwalsh568 — Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:04 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 dmwalsh568 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

dmwalsh568 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:bikes aren’t only for bugging out – you’ll be needing non-motorized transportation for getting around and hauling things ….

Heavy-duty garden carts are more useful for hauling things around. I have a cart with a 400 pound capacity, that I can use to lug water jugs from the river or move supplies around anywhere I can walk.

But I do want to add some bikes to my preps since they are just so useful compared to just being stuck on foot. But even if I get a bike trailer, I don’t expect to be able to move the same amount of stuff that I can on that garden cart…

???? ‘- lucky you if you EVER have that much to haul during a SHTF – target that big is hard to miss …. how’s a heavy garden cart taking you 5 miles down the road to Bartertown Flea Market for exchanging a few pounds of goods for another few pounds in return …. and like most people – hard to store – innocuous – SHTF only items aren’t going to cut it for preppers … you’re an anomaly having current day to day use – we use a thing called a truck ….

I am pretty lucky that I have room for occasional use only items. The garden cart gets used only a few times a year for moving things around during planting season and for fall cleanup. But it’s durable enough that I really got it to haul water. I’m not as young as I used to be and I don’t want to have to haul water by hand from the river every day if the SHTF. By having the cart I can haul 25 gallons back from the river and not have to worry about going back for a few days to a week depending on how many folks make it to my place.

And sure, if I was going to the local post SHTF flea market then I’d be a fool to bring a cart fully loaded with barter supplies, but I’m not a fool and have backpacks and smaller carts too. I plan on blending in and not being a juicy target – although a large part of that will be not going to any trading markets until well after things have stabilized. No reason to advertise I have more than others.

I just wanted folks to think about carts as well as bikes. Bikes give you range, but carts let you haul heavy stuff around – water, rocks/bricks, wood, or whatever.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 7, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
dmwalsh568 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:bikes aren’t only for bugging out – you’ll be needing non-motorized transportation for getting around and hauling things ….

Heavy-duty garden carts are more useful for hauling things around. I have a cart with a 400 pound capacity, that I can use to lug water jugs from the river or move supplies around anywhere I can walk.

But I do want to add some bikes to my preps since they are just so useful compared to just being stuck on foot. But even if I get a bike trailer, I don’t expect to be able to move the same amount of stuff that I can on that garden cart…

???? ‘- lucky you if you EVER have that much to haul – how’s a heavy garden cart taking you 10 miles down the road to Bartertown Flea Market for exchanging a few pounds of goods for another few pounds in return …. and like most people – hard to store innocuous SHTF only items aren’t going to cut it for preppers …

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 7, 2017 Dirk Williams 0

The answer is seen Dailey aroumd the world, Europe and Asia are full of old bicycles. They don’t look like much, but on closer review all the important stuff on most of those bikes is in great shape.

Think it important to have off road bikes and road bikes. Bikes that can pull a cart, without stressing any component on the bikes frame.

Tubes patch kits, chains and lube are all cheap and critical. My wife dragged home an older beach bike. Wide tires and single speed. After thinking it thru, she did good. ,this is a girls style bike built like a tank.

I’m starting to,emnrass the girl style bikes as easier to mount dis mount, and not cause lots of pain to us boys, should we slip off the peddles.

Dirk

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Is this the Calm Before the Storm

June 7, 2017 Gunns 0

1980 Minneapolis Mn.

A tool company wanted to modernize their factory and when they went for permits they were told in a loud voice NO. Not unless they employed some of the Welfare individuals that lived right next door. There were about 400 families living in low income housing. The company OK, what could they do.

They pretty much laid off everyone, retooled and made things pretty much automated. They still had to fill about 100 jobs so when they were done they went and had a job fair in the middle of this housing. Many showed up for interviews. Remember this is 1980 and the starting wage for a trainee was $10 an hour, full medical, full dental and profit sharing. After training the pay could have been as high as $15 for an operator and more for a supervisor.

Not a single one took the job. The city made it mandatory that a certain percentage had to be from that housing or they could not do business. Months passed and court hearings ended up removing that requirement. They even went to $20 an hour for operators and not a single person from that housing applied.

I remember this because I applied and was turned down since I was not on Welfare. I was however going to school full time. They told me to come back after they had filled some jobs from the housing complex.

Moral of the story, this has been happening for decades. Social Media has made it worse.

After the mandatory requirement was lifted they filled every job in a couple weeks. Sad part is that this was a privately owned family business and they ended up having to sell it because of all this.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Is this the Calm Before the Storm

June 7, 2017 Gunns 0

1980 Minneapolis Mn.

A tool company wanted to modernize their factory and when they went for permits they were told in a loud voice NO. Not unless they employed some of the Welfare individuals that lived right next door. There were about 400 families living in low income housing. The company OK, what could they do.

They pretty much laid off everyone, retooled and made things pretty much automated. They still had to fill about 100 jobs so when they were done they went and had a job fair in the middle of this housing. Many showed up for interviews. Remember this is 1980 and the starting wage for a trainee was $10 an hour, full medical, full dental and profit sharing. After training the pay could have been as high as $15 for an operator and more for a supervisor.

Not a single one took the job. The city made it mandatory that a certain percentage had to be from that housing or they could not do business. Months passed and court hearings ended up removing that requirement. They even went to $20 an hour for operators and not a single person from that housing applied.

I remember this because I applied and was turned down since I was not on Welfare. I was however going to school full time. They told me to come back after they had filled some jobs from the housing complex.

Moral of the story, this has been happening for decades. Social Media has made it worse.

After the mandatory requirement was lifted they filled every job in a couple weeks. Sad part is that this was a privately owned family business and they ended up having to sell it because of all this.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Far From Home

June 7, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I’ve thought about this a lot. I typically don’t like to be more than a few hours from home. However, when I finally retire, I’d like to travel the country in an RV. I won’t let fear of what “might” happen prevent me from working on my bucket list. So, the best we could do is grab our backpacks and start biking home from where ever we are. We always have a detailed atlas with us since we don’t trust electronic gizmos that keep saying “recalculating”. We’d chart a course and get on with it. It’s a tall order, I know. I’m hoping it wouldn’t get too terribly ugly for at least a week or so, depending upon what the crisis was that put us in that predicament. I’m kinda assuming a major CME type of event that would prevent our RV from working? So, it is either work our way back home slowly, give up, or try to integrate somewhere else with nothing but our own personal skills. Home is certainly where I would want to be, not because of stuff, but because of family and familiarity with that environment. I sure hope it never comes to that, but the best we can do is make a plan and work the plan as best as we can. The journey itself would be determined by god……just as life is. I would at least have to try b/c not knowing what happened to my family would not be an acceptable option for me. Home is indeed a strong magnet.

Cadet – I had to google the sign you were referring to. I’m not a ham person so I would have had no clue about those signs. I wouldn’t automatically reject someone who wouldn’t recognize it, but that’s your call.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Far From Home

June 7, 2017 angie_nrs 0

I’ve thought about this a lot. I typically don’t like to be more than a few hours from home. However, when I finally retire, I’d like to travel the country in an RV. I won’t let fear of what “might” happen prevent me from working on my bucket list. So, the best we could do is grab our backpacks and start biking home from where ever we are. We always have a detailed atlas with us since we don’t trust electronic gizmos that keep saying “recalculating”. We’d chart a course and get on with it. It’s a tall order, I know. I’m hoping it wouldn’t get too terribly ugly for at least a week or so, depending upon what the crisis was that put us in that predicament. I’m kinda assuming a major CME type of event that would prevent our RV from working? So, it is either work our way back home slowly, give up, or try to integrate somewhere else with nothing but our own personal skills. Home is certainly where I would want to be, not because of stuff, but because of family and familiarity with that environment. I sure hope it never comes to that, but the best we can do is make a plan and work the plan as best as we can. The journey itself would be determined by god……just as life is. I would at least have to try b/c not knowing what happened to my family would not be an acceptable option for me. Home is indeed a strong magnet.

Cadet – I had to google the sign you were referring to. I’m not a ham person so I would have had no clue about those signs. I wouldn’t automatically reject someone who wouldn’t recognize it, but that’s your call.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Far From Home

June 7, 2017 Blondie 0

There is a built in homing device in most people that leads them to head “home” after a disaster. Even if there’s nothing left.

They would rather walk 500 miles and sit on a pile of rubble that once was “home” than to begin again somewhere else which would be safer.

That said, sounds like “home” will be intact, the little woman standing at the stove, kids playing in the yard when you get there….2 months later?

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Far From Home

June 7, 2017 Blondie 0

There is a built in homing device in most people that leads them to head “home” after a disaster. Even if there’s nothing left.

They would rather walk 500 miles and sit on a pile of rubble that once was “home” than to begin again somewhere else which would be safer.

That said, sounds like “home” will be intact, the little woman standing at the stove, kids playing in the yard when you get there….2 months later?

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 6, 2017 Stahlrosen 0

I would think in many places a bike would be a vital part of the preps. My son who lives closer to town, has one and rides his quite a bit. I don’t have a bike, I have horses, which in my situation (right now) are a bit more practical as they can haul quite a bit, and can get up and down the mountain in any weather.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 6, 2017 angie_nrs 0

Considering you can get a bike at a yard sale for $10 or less, then yes, I’d say it’s money well spent. Many people don’t realize how much time and calories you can save by riding a bike as opposed to walking or running. We use ours at the local nascar track when we go so that we can get around with little effort (as it’s typically hot out) and use little time. Those 2 factors may come in handy if no other mode of transportation is available. Other things to consider are the facts that bikes don’t make noise, almost anyone can use them, they take little space on the roadway (easily to maneuver around other objects), and are fairly easy to store. However, it’s a good idea to keep extra tubes, tires, tool set, etc. on the bike.

I used to have a baby stroller with a front removable wheel and would attach to the bike. I wish I still had it as that would have been great to put things in for transport if the need should arise. After the kids outgrew it, I had an older dog that I would take for rides who couldn’t withstand long walks. The stroller did create some drag but as long as you were on a flat paved road it was fine. However, in loose or sandy soil or going uphill, a stroller or cart may be pretty tough to pull.

Even if all you had was a bike without a cart, it would still be handy to have. You can do a lot with a bike and a backpack. I can ride to my family garden that is almost 10 miles away and grab some produce. Or, I could ride to the river several miles away and fish. Or, I could ride to the local berry farm which is a few miles away. Or, I could ride to my farmer friends house who produces honey and maple syrup. All you have to do is imagine the things that are within 20 miles or so of where you live and imagine how long it would take you to walk it vs. how long it would take you to bike it…….a full day’s venture vs. just a couple of hours or less. Needless to say, I like my bike. :D

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 6, 2017 angie_nrs 0

Considering you can get a bike at a yard sale for $10 or less, then yes, I’d say it’s money well spent. Many people don’t realize how much time and calories you can save by riding a bike as opposed to walking or running. We use ours at the local nascar track when we go so that we can get around with little effort (as it’s typically hot out) and use little time. Those 2 factors may come in handy if no other mode of transportation is available. Other things to consider are the facts that bikes don’t make noise, almost anyone can use them, they take little space on the roadway (easily to maneuver around other objects), and are fairly easy to store. However, it’s a good idea to keep extra tubes, tires, tool set, etc. on the bike.

I used to have a baby stroller with a front removable wheel and would attach to the bike. I wish I still had it as that would have been great to put things in for transport if the need should arise. After the kids outgrew it, I had an older dog that I would take for rides who couldn’t withstand long walks. The stroller did create some drag but as long as you were on a flat paved road it was fine. However, in loose or sandy soil or going uphill, a stroller or cart may be pretty tough to pull.

Even if all you had was a bike without a cart, it would still be handy to have. You can do a lot with a bike and a backpack. I can ride to my family garden that is almost 10 miles away and grab some produce. Or, I could ride to the river several miles away and fish. Or, I could ride to the local berry farm which is a few miles away. Or, I could ride to my farmer friends house who produces honey and maple syrup. All you have to do is imagine the things that are within 20 miles or so of where you live and imagine how long it would take you to walk it vs. how long it would take you to bike it…….a full day’s venture vs. just a couple of hours or less. Needless to say, I like my bike. :D

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 Cadit 0

I think some have missed the whole point, don’t go putting up security fences, or covering front, back and sides with flood lights that looks like a runway. Just be like everyone else on your street and community. Don’t go making yourself a target. The pandemic signage is a deterrent just like a large dog. But you are right to a degree, if you put out a sign on a plague, that’s too soon for that have happened, and was not part of a known health issues. You would stand out big time.

Nothing was said or implied to disguising your home, just don’t go dumb-ass crazy putting in all kinds of security that is visible, that would draw undue attention to you and your family, putting you in the spot light.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 Cadit 0

I think some have missed the whole point, don’t go putting up security fences, or covering front, back and sides with flood lights that looks like a runway. Just be like everyone else on your street and community. Don’t go making yourself a target. The pandemic signage is a deterrent just like a large dog. But you are right to a degree, if you put out a sign on a plague, that’s too soon for that have happened, and was not part of a known health issues. You would stand out big time.

Nothing was said or implied to disguising your home, just don’t go dumb-ass crazy putting in all kinds of security that is visible, that would draw undue attention to you and your family, putting you in the spot light.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:20 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 6, 2017 dmwalsh568 0
Illini Warrior wrote:
bikes aren’t only for bugging out – you’ll be needing non-motorized transportation for getting around and hauling things ….

Heavy-duty garden carts are more useful for hauling things around. I have a cart with a 400 pound capacity, that I can use to lug water jugs from the river or move supplies around anywhere I can walk.

But I do want to add some bikes to my preps since they are just so useful compared to just being stuck on foot. But even if I get a bike trailer, I don’t expect to be able to move the same amount of stuff that I can on that garden cart…

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 6, 2017 dmwalsh568 0
Illini Warrior wrote:
bikes aren’t only for bugging out – you’ll be needing non-motorized transportation for getting around and hauling things ….

Heavy-duty garden carts are more useful for hauling things around. I have a cart with a 400 pound capacity, that I can use to lug water jugs from the river or move supplies around anywhere I can walk.

But I do want to add some bikes to my preps since they are just so useful compared to just being stuck on foot. But even if I get a bike trailer, I don’t expect to be able to move the same amount of stuff that I can on that garden cart…

Statistics: Posted by dmwalsh568 — Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:01 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Far From Home

June 6, 2017 Cadit 0

I feel you guy; and know how you think, me too. The Scenario is a grid down incident, the airplane crash is from mostly an EMP for both the Plane and Train. In the Airplane; not much can be done except look for any survivors that’s in the same or close condition as you. After gathering survivors that can walk out, find out who is headed you way for the longest haul? If and that would be a big If, a Doctor in on that flight, give him an hour to help those he things will live, tell everyone we are going find help, and do that. I always carry at least my EDC, and if I’m travelling a long distance my BOB.

While most likely, the majority of the people would be dead or dying in a plane crash, a few do survive from time to time. In that type of Scenario, we find ourselves and a handful of others. Now if there was a Doctor that survived, I would press him to go with us as far as he would. Then I would set each member of the surviving group to task of finding any supplies from the wreckage and divide them up equally among the survivors. Help they create their own EDC or BOB from the luggage and packs found. Any and all food snacks and water we could carry safely. Check and see if everyone has the right foot gear to set out on our trip of survival. and of course any clothing according to the season.

It may seem heartless and mean to leave the injuries behind, but they are dead already and don’t know it. The mountains are full of predators and it want be long before they find the site, and we best be long gone by then, and start my trek home.

In the case of a train stopping due to an EMP, todays train are Deiseal Electric. They would shut down, I don’t think the electric breaking system would work but the manual hydraulic breaking system would. But that would take time to activate and the train may have slowed down on its own by then. The danger would be in a possible emergency stop, which would throw people forward out of their seats, beds or chairs. Most I would think would survive this type of incident with only minor injuries. Now; if the trailing cars behind the engine were to heavy, it may cause a derailment, but that hasn’t happened.

Now would be tedious task of finding people that would live in my direction with out people knowing that I’m a prepper or survivalist. Here say you have a hundred plus people on the train, and most people will stay or want to stay with the train, thinking that help is on the way. Here again; getting to know your porter is in your best interest. From the get go, I talk and make conversation with him of her, tip well, help him or her in small ways when possible. I do this now when I ride trains. Then if the unthinkable happens, I’ve got someone that help me? It’s better than going up to a total stranger and asking for extra food and water. And if not too old, I would ask him or her if they wish to come with us. Making the food and water thing a lot easier to obtain.

I would then look for those elusive Survivalist/Preppers, and see if there are any on board. This is one reason I carry a AmRRON/Redoubt flag with me and use it as a bandana with the logo showing, then walk around talking to people. If there is preppers or survivalist on board, they will recognize the flag and know I’m one of them. After that I would go to the baggage car and retrieve my EDC, BOB or both and secure my weapon and ammo. Then after gathering my group, keeping it small, head out.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:00 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Far From Home

June 6, 2017 Cadit 0

I feel you guy; and know how you think, me too. The Scenario is a grid down incident, the airplane crash is from mostly an EMP for both the Plane and Train. In the Airplane; not much can be done except look for any survivors that’s in the same or close condition as you. After gathering survivors that can walk out, find out who is headed you way for the longest haul? If and that would be a big If, a Doctor in on that flight, give him an hour to help those he things will live, tell everyone we are going find help, and do that. I always carry at least my EDC, and if I’m travelling a long distance my BOB.

While most likely, the majority of the people would be dead or dying in a plane crash, a few do survive from time to time. In that type of Scenario, we find ourselves and a handful of others. Now if there was a Doctor that survived, I would press him to go with us as far as he would. Then I would set each member of the surviving group to task of finding any supplies from the wreckage and divide them up equally among the survivors. Help they create their own EDC or BOB from the luggage and packs found. Any and all food snacks and water we could carry safely. Check and see if everyone has the right foot gear to set out on our trip of survival. and of course any clothing according to the season.

It may seem heartless and mean to leave the injuries behind, but they are dead already and don’t know it. The mountains are full of predators and it want be long before they find the site, and we best be long gone by then, and start my trek home.

In the case of a train stopping due to an EMP, todays train are Deiseal Electric. They would shut down, I don’t think the electric breaking system would work but the manual hydraulic breaking system would. But that would take time to activate and the train may have slowed down on its own by then. The danger would be in a possible emergency stop, which would throw people forward out of their seats, beds or chairs. Most I would think would survive this type of incident with only minor injuries. Now; if the trailing cars behind the engine were to heavy, it may cause a derailment, but that hasn’t happened.

Now would be tedious task of finding people that would live in my direction with out people knowing that I’m a prepper or survivalist. Here say you have a hundred plus people on the train, and most people will stay or want to stay with the train, thinking that help is on the way. Here again; getting to know your porter is in your best interest. From the get go, I talk and make conversation with him of her, tip well, help him or her in small ways when possible. I do this now when I ride trains. Then if the unthinkable happens, I’ve got someone that help me? It’s better than going up to a total stranger and asking for extra food and water. And if not too old, I would ask him or her if they wish to come with us. Making the food and water thing a lot easier to obtain.

I would then look for those elusive Survivalist/Preppers, and see if there are any on board. This is one reason I carry a AmRRON/Redoubt flag with me and use it as a bandana with the logo showing, then walk around talking to people. If there is preppers or survivalist on board, they will recognize the flag and know I’m one of them. After that I would go to the baggage car and retrieve my EDC, BOB or both and secure my weapon and ammo. Then after gathering my group, keeping it small, head out.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:00 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 NJMike 0

I’m currently in a transition space (duplex rental) for the next few months until my house sells, so in my case it’s kinda gray, but still not where I want to be… It looks like all the other units, excepting a container garden and bicycle parked out on the back patio. It’s not my ideal location, but it is what it is for the short term.

I will hopefully be moving the end of year, back into a home and out of NJ if all goes as planned.

Some ideas I’ll be taking with me in home selection and property maintenance:

1) A home out of direct view from a major road and hopefully neighbors as well
2) Equipment and tools kept indoors when not in use
3) Animal areas kept under tree cover where possible
4) Buried or concealed cisterns
5) Solar panels below treeline, and only deployed during the day, if possible
6) Minimize reflective surfaces
7) Concealable fuel, i.e.- avoid exposed walls of firewood look or large visible storage tanks.
8) No “get off my land or I’ll shoot” signs

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 NJMike 0

I’m currently in a transition space (duplex rental) for the next few months until my house sells, so in my case it’s kinda gray, but still not where I want to be… It looks like all the other units, excepting a container garden and bicycle parked out on the back patio. It’s not my ideal location, but it is what it is for the short term.

I will hopefully be moving the end of year, back into a home and out of NJ if all goes as planned.

Some ideas I’ll be taking with me in home selection and property maintenance:

1) A home out of direct view from a major road and hopefully neighbors as well
2) Equipment and tools kept indoors when not in use
3) Animal areas kept under tree cover where possible
4) Buried or concealed cisterns
5) Solar panels below treeline, and only deployed during the day, if possible
6) Minimize reflective surfaces
7) Concealable fuel, i.e.- avoid exposed walls of firewood look or large visible storage tanks.
8) No “get off my land or I’ll shoot” signs

Statistics: Posted by NJMike — Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:45 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Is this the Calm Before the Storm

June 6, 2017 farmer_dude48 0
Cadit wrote:
I still think we are a strong people when we stand together. We see this everyday as Americans stand up against the Socialist and Liberals that are trying to bring this county down. And yes; they have a large portion of our young out there rioting and selling their rights away and they don’t even know it. Muslim religion is mandatory now in public schools, but Christianity is forbidden. What’s wrong with this picture? But as long as we have those that are labeled as Patriots, Constitutionalist, Freedom Fighters we will over come, more and more of our young are starting to see the light. I think that anyone making threats of doing harm to the people of this country, are guilty of being a Terrorist.

Remember; its of the people, by the people and for the people, that our government lay. Not in the hands of those we set as Representatives. They do as we bid, and follow as we will. If they don’t, we remove them, not forty or fifty years later, but now, and put someone in that will do the will of the people.

sageprice wrote:
Look beyond the noise, our constitution is self correcting. That is why you can vote out the stupid. We are the power not the government.

For the most part I agree with what you are saying , but here is the problem people will not vote for change because its easier not to. Nobody wants to work for change there are some people that work very hard for what they have or want out of life , but the amount of people that feel like the deserve everything for little or no hard work is slowly starting to outnumber the ones that are willing to sweat for what they want. The majority of people don’t even know how to put seeds in the ground and produce food…

I have seen first hand young couples go into the local food bank for free food and then walk across the street and buy beer and cig. while texting on their phones. There are ads in the paper needing help and they can’t get anybody to work or they can’t pass a drug screen i mean why should they the Gov. gives them what they need.

Like it or not complete Government control is coming and its a lot closer than we think….. :(

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Is this the Calm Before the Storm

June 6, 2017 farmer_dude48 0
Cadit wrote:
I still think we are a strong people when we stand together. We see this everyday as Americans stand up against the Socialist and Liberals that are trying to bring this county down. And yes; they have a large portion of our young out there rioting and selling their rights away and they don’t even know it. Muslim religion is mandatory now in public schools, but Christianity is forbidden. What’s wrong with this picture? But as long as we have those that are labeled as Patriots, Constitutionalist, Freedom Fighters we will over come, more and more of our young are starting to see the light. I think that anyone making threats of doing harm to the people of this country, are guilty of being a Terrorist.

Remember; its of the people, by the people and for the people, that our government lay. Not in the hands of those we set as Representatives. They do as we bid, and follow as we will. If they don’t, we remove them, not forty or fifty years later, but now, and put someone in that will do the will of the people.

sageprice wrote:
Look beyond the noise, our constitution is self correcting. That is why you can vote out the stupid. We are the power not the government.

For the most part I agree with what you are saying , but here is the problem people will not vote for change because its easier not to. Nobody wants to work for change there are some people that work very hard for what they have or want out of life , but the amount of people that feel like the deserve everything for little or no hard work is slowly starting to outnumber the ones that are willing to sweat for what they want. The majority of people don’t even know how to put seeds in the ground and produce food…

I have seen first hand young couples go into the local food bank for free food and then walk across the street and buy beer and cig. while texting on their phones. There are ads in the paper needing help and they can’t get anybody to work or they can’t pass a drug screen i mean why should they the Gov. gives them what they need.

Like it or not complete Government control is coming and its a lot closer than we think….. :(

Statistics: Posted by farmer_dude48 — Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:18 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

that stupid BS about disguising your home for looters to bypass – is by far the lamest prepper bull going – especially the idiots that think fake pandemic signs will scare away the starving looters – advertise that the only one home are diseased corpses – that’ll drive them away ….

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

that stupid BS about disguising your home for looters to bypass – is by far the lamest prepper bull going – especially the idiots that think fake pandemic signs will scare away the starving looters – advertise that the only one home are diseased corpses – that’ll drive them away ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:05 pm