Stories and Fiction • His and Hers. Mag Drills.

February 17, 2017 rj5156 0

His and Hers. Mag drills.


Brian is very sensitive to size issues. Fit is a big deal for both of us. It is at least as difficult for him to find things that are scaled to his size, he IS an order of magnitude bigger than anyone else I know, and always has been. He looks like a draft horse in a herd of ponies.

Here he’s made me an extension for my chuck key. He’s working on an extension for the handle too. He enjoys doing it so much that I just say “thank you”.


All set up at MY comfy work height.


Brian sure knows how to spoil this girl. It’s always been hard for me to accept help. I have learned over the years to thank Brian prettily for this kind of thing. I know how much it means to me when there is some little thing I can actually do for him. We’re both pretty independent and self-sufficient but marriage is about doing nice things for each other at its’ best – and we do want the best of it.

Feeling loved and cherished:) I hope you all get regular doses of this, in whatever form matters most to YOU!

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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

Nova. The Origami Revolution. Not everyone sees the world the same way. Obviously this is cause for great celebration!!!

Once I see the world through another’s perspective, my own can never again be quite the same. Naturally I LOVE the process. No matter what the process does. If I open my mind to the possibility of foreign perspectives it often rewards me by blooming in new ways, bearing good if different fruits, when I seek solutions to seemingly unrelated challenges, sometimes years later.

Just WOW! We were astonished and engaged. I may watch this one over and over and over.

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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

Trying out the baby pans. Yes, the burner is on. And it NEEDS to be that low even though the little redneck double-boiler is sitting on a wide-mouth mason jar ring on the burner.


A brownie cake with cream cheese icing. Chocolate dipped berries were a little over the top but added a lot. It WAS valentine’s day even if we forgot;)


NOTE! It says right on the toy stainless pans NOT to use them on the stove or in the oven! I blew that off, bought them to use. Easy to cook thin stainless. Ya’ll know how I know this;) VERY low heat was fine. No heat affected discoloration. Not recommending this, just sharing what we’re doing.

I did check the pans with a very strong magnet. It was attracted some but did not stick. Pretty good grade of material in them. With proper heat levels they should last a lifetime.

This explains what happens when stainless is overheated if you really want to know: … kts&NM=239

The takeaway is that the structure and composition of the metal is changed and becomes vulnerable to corrosion.

Statistics: Posted by rj5156 — Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:47 pm


Stories and Fiction • Ginger Bug Starter

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

Ginger Bug Starter.

1/2 cup each fresh grated ginger root, sugar, Kevita sparkling probiotic drink from Walmart. Fresh ginger tea on right. I like a little lemon in it.


I use a coffee filter with a jar ring over it, to keep it clean.


A day later: We have bubbles! Should pick up speed fast. I added 1/4 cup each of grated fresh ginger, sugar and filtered water just now. If I can remember to stir it 3-4 times a day it goes faster.


It needs fed. Equal amounts fresh grated ginger and sugar each day. A tablespoon of each per day works for us. Once it is working and bubbling, 1/2 cup of ginger bug per quart of juice or tea to make carbonated drinks. We like it in apple cider! Just dump it in a generously sized container and put a towel over the top, set it in a warm spot, out of direct sunlight.

Let work at room temp until you like the taste. Pour in 2-liter plastic bottle. Cap tightly. Leave at room temp overnight.

Refrigerate next day. Squeeze bottle often. When it is hard, rock gently to distribute carbon dioxide bubbles, open carefully and drink! Burp pressure if not drinking fast enough to prevent over-pressure.

We are trying the Kevita as a starter to get it going faster. Updates as they happen!

Need to order the pressure relief valves for those soft drink syrup canisters I guess. I don’t care if it is carbonated, just looking for an easy way to drink some probiotics that tastes good. Brian likes the carbonation so I bet he will take care of modifying the containers to suit. Pics of that as he does it, whenever he gets to it.

Statistics: Posted by rj5156 — Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:40 pm


Stories and Fiction • Fresh cranberry ferment

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

Fresh cranberry ferment.
4 cups fresh cranberries
3 cinnamon sticks
6 slices fresh ginger
1 tablespoon whole cloves


Using a half gallon jar for this. Put above in jar. Combined 1 tablespoon pink Himalayan salt, 1/2 teaspoon fermento powder (buttermilk powder works too), 4 cups water. Stirred and poured in jar.


Put a bread bag in the jar. Added a teaspoon of salt in case it leaks. Poured water in bag to about half full. Used rubber spatula to tuck everything under the bag. Topped off water to just below jar rim.


Put a ziplock over the top. Secured with rubber band around jar top. Set in a bowl. It will spew some first few days. I just wipe it out. We will start tasting after 2-3 days. Tuck it in the fridge when we like it. 7 days is suggested.

Recipe a modification of one given in “Fermented Vegetables by Kirsten & Christopher Shockey.


(1 day later). Hard to see but we have bubbles! Lots of them too, though they are very small.


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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

Had a hard time finding a picture of the slip scoop rig. The pic on the page linked below shows how it is hitched up. … scoop.html

One of the kids would lead the horse, who kept an ear back for Dad’s instructions and understood them full well. The kids kept the horse focused on the job and not the barn nearby;) Dad held the handles of the slip scoop, which requires a half-crouching crab walk as the horse pulls. Lifting the handles slants the blade, a fairly sharp edged affair on the scoop and pitches the cutting edge into the dirt. It WANTS to go right on over and muscling it DOWN as it goes is an astonishing amount of hard labor.

Once the scoop is filled or the hump is cut, the handles are forced down hard to lift the front out of the dirt. Ours had runners on the bottom. The handles had to be held down as the filled scoop was dragged to the dumping location. With some finesse and much help from the horse, the scoop is dragged onto the dirt pile or low spot, and the handles are lifted to dump the load of dirt. Takes a pretty long hitch to keep it from smacking the horse in the heels when it is flipped upside down.

Universally unpopular job with our horses. Dad didn’t love it either, it’s dangerous and grueling. Nobody brought their sweetest disposition to the slip-scoop, the horses laid their ears back at the sight of it and we sighed long-suffering sighs along with them.

It’s not like plowing, discing or dragging logs, where you get it going and momentum helps keep it going. The blade hits rocks and hard spots and it’s a jolting, stop-and-go piece of work for everyone involved.

Miserable work. We did a lot of it over the years. It gets the job done and we had a lot of places that ONLY a horse would fit. They stepped over things, worked around stuff and knew EXACTLY where their load was at all times.

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Stories and Fiction • Excerpt from Patience / Machinist book, my comments

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

My comments:

In the end we built one of those flipping fence sections over the creek to help hold debris back and let water past. These need maintenance of course. Clear them out when it quits raining and the water goes down or pay for it later. I have not been there in years now. May take a little field trip and see if the bridge is still there.

If it’s been cared for with the respect it deserves, brush and debris has been kept from clogging it up, and occasional fill and tamping as needed where water WILL wear away around and under anything, it should be in fine shape to this day. Be interesting to see.

This was typical of my childhood. My folks bought a three story brick house when I was just old enough to remember, that’s where the pictures of Beep and I with that toolbox were taken. They ripped up the floors and replaced huge joists as needed, then put new floors back down.

They dropped some of the really high ceilings. Repaired the ancient fireplace and laid in bookcases on either side of it. There was plumbing and brick work building a nice concrete patio with openings left for drainage. Tuck pointing to fix the old exterior, work on the garage, shovel work in the yard to fix issues with the septic system resulting from bad work from the original build.

Not sure how much help I actually was at that time, but I was given helpful things I could do and I FELT like I was helping;)

We moved to a home on a half-acre and built a chicken house and a shed, put in a garden and planted an orchard. I WAS a lot of help by this time. They sold that place to move to this area. We did extensive repair on the huge old barn, jacking it up and replacing sections of the huge old hand-hewn beams. Built that bridge. Beep and I spent a good part of our free time unloading the smaller rocks and we were involved at a sweat-inducing level in every project at this point.

We built a large shop, one concrete mixer load at a time pouring the floor after serious slip scoop work with a horse helping, to make a level spot to put it. Built on to the house, pouring yet more concrete, one mixer load at a time, laying block walls and going up from there.

We took that HUGE barn down and salvaged ALL the material, one sheet of roofing and one board at a time. We built a much nicer barn, nearly as big as the one we took down. We did have the concrete poured for that one, the new barn was a concrete basement with a wood building above and a tin roof on top.

Major improvement because we could drive to the top and stack hay instead of having to pitch it in the loft! We poured the stalls and finished it out ourselves of course, once the walls and foundation were poured.

When Dad was finally released he started work re-building the shop. Mom and I had been buying equipment and using cut pipes levered under it to roll it into the basement, planting fruit and cedar trees and generally busting our butts to get as much done as possible toward future plans.

We did have the concrete poured for the shop floor, an amazing amount of work since it required building a basement and filling that in to find purchase for a foundation on a steep slope. We re-shaped the whole driveway, put in a lot of quality time with a pick and shovel, poured steps and a long section of retaining walls and back filled everywhere, much of it with a shovel.

We built the fab shop building using scrounged materials for the most part, someplace I’ve got pictures of all that. We built a shed, terraced the yard into three large gardens. Built a sunroom on the end of the house, again having the concrete poured and doing all the rest ourselves. I worked part-time, went to school full-time and sweated and bled for everything we accomplished there, instead of sleeping.

When we did family projects, we really DID things! I found very little in common with most of my peers.

Either they didn’t believe me or they were horrified. Honestly, I didn’t try very hard to meet them halfway. I did fare better socially with the Amish children, we had a lot more in common. I was living in my own little world and loving it. It was for me, a magical childhood. I keep saying this because it is so true. There was NOTHING we could not do!

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Stories and Fiction • Excerpt from Patience / Machinist book

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

This is a chapter from “A Little More Common Sense”, scenes from my childhood from a totally different perspective.

With a ton of stone in the bed for traction, I tried using the four-wheel drive truck and its’ snowplow to bulldoze dirt. We needed an embankment on the upstream side, and we need it fast, but the snowplow refused to dig in the hard dirt.

Undaunted, I persuaded the ancient tractor to start, and began to drag the farm disc cultivator ’round and ’round the creek bed above the bridge. A few trips loosened the dirt all over a half acre about three inches deep. The snowplow pushed the loose dirt easily, and I soon had satisfying mounds of dirt piled against the retaining walls.

A full weekend of this dizzying work created an earth dike four feet high and a hundred feet long, extending from the bridge in both directions to high ground. It was raining while I finished, and continued to rain for two weeks. The dike turned to soft mud and settled a lot.

Stone-hauling continued every evening in the icy fall rain. The dike leaked in places, keeping us busy plugging holes with chunks of stone, but the dike held. The half acre bowl-shaped depression wed dub on the upper side of the bridge was now a lake.

More stone raised the level of the dike and covered the mud to keep it from washing away if the water spilled over the top. The rain stopped, and the lake subsided. There was a foot deep pool in the lane on the unfinished house side, but it was passable with two feet of solid stone fill beneath.

Gradually, the stone-hauling raised the lane above water level. The lane was passable in the car now, and got better with every load. Winter came and all work halted. The pool was frozen solid, so we traveled in and out easily, although carefully on the ice.

With spring came the acid test for the new bridge. Spring rains were always heavier than fall rains, and lasted longer. The spring of 1970 was wetter than normal. Ordinary drizzles lasted for weeks, saturating the soil so every drop that fell ran racing down the steep hills to our creek.

In late March, four inches of rain fell in one afternoon, in a matter of two hours. When I drove in from work, water was level with the top of our dike, and two streams were pouring from the culverts. Water as trickling over the top in places.

I put on tall boots and went to check it out. There didn’t seem to be nearly enough water coming out of the culverts, considering that they were submerged on the upper end. Some poking with a stick dislodged limbs and leaves that clogged the culverts, but there was still comparatively little flow through them.

Further prodding disclosed something else blocking the culverts. Water was beginning to run over the dike in a small stream and cutting a trench as it went.

There was no choice but to climb down into the frigid water. Some groping in the muddy yellow water found the problem; a small cedar tree had washed down the creek and lodged crossways in front of the culverts. Finding was one thing, removing was something else. The surging current held the tree against the concrete with tremendous force. I pulled hard with both hands and bent with my nose almost in the water to reach for a better grip when the tree dislodged upward. The other end was directly in front of a culvert, so the current grabbed it and tore it from my grip.

It turned and was sucked endwise into the near culvert, which in the process pulled me off balance to fall almost into the current. One foot went in front of the surging opening to catch myself, and was instantly swept into the culvert. I grabbed onto the bridge railing posts and pulled myself up and out of the water, safe and sound, but minus one boot.

Once I had clambered onto the bridge, the bare foot was more comfortable than the other one, which was soaking in a bootfull of icy creek water. Wet all over, I sat down to pull off the other boot and survey the damage. Water was roaring along happily through the culverts now. I noticed the cedar tree bobbing along a couple hundred yards downstream.

The water level had ebbed somewhat. It was no longer running over the dike, but I slogged over to the breach and kicked a couple big rocks in the new trench anyway to stop any chance of more damage. Surely, this rain was the worst test the bridge would ever see. The dike held. The roadbed was intact. It looked like we’d finally won. I sloshed my way to the house, to get dry and warm, not feeling too victorious.

You couldn’t really win against nature, I thought. The best you could hope for was an armed truce. I felt the lack of ultimate victory and the relentlessness of weather and nature. Ten, twenty, or a hundred years from now, the creek would eat away at our bridge and eventually win again. But for now, we had our small victory. The bridge would serve us well for as long as we were likely to need it. That would have to be enough.

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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

This is a chapter from “A Little More Common Sense”, scenes from my childhood from a totally different perspective.

My note:

Connie did much of the labor pulling a slip- scoop to sculpt the stream bed, she was the slower and larger horse in the draft team, better suited to the job. This is back-breaking labor for the person running the scoop as the horse pulls it, and not entirely safe either. Kids led the horse and our three-way communication system between horse, slip-scoop operator and kid got lots of practice. We were ALL glad when that was done.

Much labor for all the family went into collecting large stones to throw in as we would pour concrete, to save money by reducing the amount of concrete required.

Pouring concrete is always something of a panic operation. Any mistakes will solidify into stone in a few hours. We had all the necessities on had though, lots of rocks, an armload of scrap iron, old wire and other junk we could dispose of in the wet cement, along with plenty of helpers to shovel concrete into the corners and then plug any leaks with old newspaper. It all went well, but the ready-mix driver got the last of what money we could afford to spend right at the moment.

We were now pretty broke, and we had a four foot high by fourteen foot wide wall of cement blocking the lane. We still had to build sloping approaches to the bridge before we could cross it with a vehicle. We parked the car and pickup in the pasture across the creek. It looked like we would be walking the last hundred yards to the house for some time to come. Not a good prospect at all. We were just beginning on this project.

Retaining walls for the approaches came next. With our bank account shot, we built concrete forms out of scrap lumber. We mixed our own concrete in a small hand mixer, a quarter-yard at a time, which occupied several weeks. The faithful junkyard supplied reinforcing steel, and pipes to use for railing posts. It only took a month of drudgery to have four retaining walls, arranged like a letter “H”, extending from the central mass where the culverts were. All we had to do was fill in between them, and we could drive to the house again!

I knew or sandy soil would not do for filling. It soaked up water like a sponge and would become a huge mud pit, then freeze in winter to expand and break down the retaining walls. We needed stone for fill, massive amounts of it, and it was free for the taking at the stone mills near the town where I worked. I would simply haul some home each day as I came home from work.

The first pickup load was discouragingly small, compared to the amount we needed. Stone is HEAVY! Our heavy-duty pickup could haul about three tons a day. The roadbed was fourteen feet wide, and four feet of fill was needed at the creek, tapering off to nothing about sixty yards away.

My calculator said it would take over a hundred loads to fill that gaping hole! And then ANOTHER hundred loads on the OTHER side of the bridge! My heart sank, but I began to haul stone in earnest. Five evenings a week we unloaded chunks of limestone into the hole. On Saturdays, I splurged and bought three tons of fine crushed limestone at the quarry to fill in the cracks between pieces, then more chunks the next week. The weeks stretched into months.

When frost was in the air and leaves were beginning to fall, I was sure I’d hauled enough stone to build the pyramids all over again. I began to sympathize with the Hebrew slaves in Egypt, but the road still lacked a foot of being high enough to cross the bridge yet. We were getting real tired of carrying groceries that last hundred yards to the house each week, across the still impassable bridge. We were even more tired of hauling and laying stones. Fall rains weren’t far away, and we were less than half done. A heavy rain could be disastrous, cutting around the unfinished bridge.

Redoubled efforts created a stone ramp that allowed us to begin fill on the second side. The weather was more threatening by the time we could FINALLY get the truck over the rough fill and to the house. It began to rain sporadically. It was time for serious efforts.

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Stories and Fiction • Excerpt from Patience / Machinist book

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

This is a chapter from “A Little More Common Sense”, scenes from my childhood from a totally different perspective.

Pics Dad included in the manuscript in this chapter.

Really cruddy photo of a photocopy. This is a very old picture and I’m having trouble orienting myself in it. Maybe Beep or Kg can help here? Suspect the original photo will clear it all up if I can find it. Think it is taken from the circle drive with the house behind us and to the left. Corn-crib to the right, just in front of the car.

The vehicle in the driveway coming toward us is crossing the bridge, coming toward the house. Original barn on the right, just out of the picture? Maybe? Bet it was taken when folks were coming over for a shooting afternoon? We didn’t have that much company for anything else and most of the vehicles shown are parked in our overflow area?


A rough sketch of the project.


Link to larger copy of above image. … u.jpg.html

JULY, 1978

Building A Bridge

Keeping our driveway usable was an outrageous problem. In springtime, the seasonal rains not only flooded the lane, but they also washed tons of expensive gravel downstream. This left a young canyon across the driveway that grew deeper after each rain until it reached bedrock.

Since the dry weather arrived, we had thrown rocks into the chasm until it was passable, but a single heavy rain had swept it all away. The washout was about 5 or 5 feet wide now, and over a foot deep, as I began to seriously consider the problem. IT would take more than even a heavily constructed wooden bridge to cope with these flash floods.

The engineer in me was determined to solve this. Out came my calculator. Forty three thousand square feet per acre, times 200 acres of drainage is a lot of area. A single inch of rain would put almost three quarters of a million cubic feet of water down our creek! Six million gallons! And it came down the creek at break neck speed over a period of about an hour. That’s roughly the contents of 32 Olympic-size swimming pools.

No wonder the neighbors told tales of many homebuilt bridges here that had all washed away. The probable cost of a really big, solid masonry bridge loomed in my mind as utterly ridiculous. I began to understand why the farm had been so cheap to buy. Just how stupid had I been to get myself into this, I wondered?

I walked back upstream to where two branches merged to form our creek. The smaller one we’d filled with brush and tree limbs as we cut fire wood and logs for farm lumber. Most of it was full now, but this only slowed down the water. We needed a dam to shut off this smaller stream and thus reduce the amount of water downstream where the new bridge would be.

Within a matter of days, our neighbor had hired a bulldozer to grade his farm lanes, so we took advantage of the chance to have a dam built that corked the small stream. The small pond we created would provide extra water for livestock in dry years, eliminating the tiresome chore of carrying water in buckets.

The main stream, however, was still capable of raging over the lane with about two-thirds of its’ original strength. Recent rains showed that the bridge must allow a stream about a foot deep and up to eight feet wide to pass. We knew from experience that it could be three or four times that big for short periods of heavy rains.

Our solution was decided when I discovered a pair of 30 inch diameter metal culverts at my favorite shopping center – the local junkyard. Some noisy work with a sledge hammer removed most of the worst dents. After trimming with an acetylene torch, we had a matched pair fourteen feet long. The next problem was how to keep them from washing away? Lots of concrete should do it.

They had to be carefully placed in the stream bed, so a horse was best for the job. Daisy complained about the noisy trip down the gravel lane, but did a perfect job of placing them in the washout that had stopped traffic. A couple weeks of spare time work got the stream bed straight and level, and concrete forms around the culverts.

Statistics: Posted by rj5156 — Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:26 am


Stories and Fiction • Excerpt from Patience / Machinist book

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

Here’s a short and sweet section from Clank! by Patience (aka Machinist). It fits so well with the bullies we have been talking about I thought I’d post it.


Power. It is an elusive intangible that everyone recognizes. To many, power is the obvious answer to the insecurities of life’s hazards. There is a thin line of respectability between the corporate chieftain wielding power over the livelihoods of his stockholders and employees with the stroke of a pen, and the gangland crime boss who orders robberies or lives to be terminated.

Both have succumbed to the seductive lure of power as a way of life, to have others do their bidding, and force their will on lesser beings. One we respect, the other we fear and hate, yet both are playing by almost the same rules.

Very often, the difference between them is lost when a corporate ruler decides to move his enterprise to a foreign country for more profit, destroying whole towns and wounding cities in the process. Or, when a public official abuses the trust of his office by corrupt practices to assure his re-election, or line his pockets, many lesser folk suffer. In the case of some large labor unions, the line between legal power and criminality is almost impossible to find.

Addictive drugs are regulated in most of the world, but power is only subject to the law of the jungle, and power is surely the most addictive drug of all. We don’t get concerned PERSONALLY, most of us, because we don’t have any power to worry about, do we?

The most compelling and far-reaching power I know of, is the influence every parent has in shaping the life of his child. And this power, we wield with impunity, subject to virtually no sanctions at all.

Those who fail as parents can always use time-honored denial as an out, saddling the child and “society” with responsibility for the parent’s own mistakes in shaping his offspring. True, we each bear the responsibility for our own behavior. What we need to explore is where that responsibility begins.

Crime and punishment has gone through phases of emphasis from bestial viciousness, to ridiculous laxity. It has endured many fads: re: education, torture, exorcism (Inquisition) and mutilation, imprisonment, rehabilitation, and now warehousing.

None of these have been successful in ridding us of crime; that much is obvious. Despite the failure, we have learned a lot. Although experts and statistics are probably most used by liars, they do agree with society, that crime and criminals are inescapably linked to certain conditions of life: economic hardship, and decayed morality.

It isn’t one or the other, it is both, and the pivot point of both issues is family life, and the child’s experience in his family. Manipulation, inducement, force or other motivators are the same, whether used in the boardroom, in court, in a dark alley, or in the dining room, trying to convince Junior to eat his spinach.

When we motivate a child by the use of forcible power, we are teaching him to use force to get his own way when he grows up.

WE did it.

POGO: We have seen the enemy, and he is us!

My notes:

Obviously this was written long before our current drug-riddled problems came to their present state. I enjoyed this one. Hope you do too:)

I am mystified by the last sentence. No idea what “POGO” stands for but I left it in.

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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

February 16, 2017 rj5156 0

Guess the last one wasn’t my most positive offering… I get happy if it looks like I might be able to step off the tracks when a train is coming!

After years of searching I found my friends from my first duty station in the Air Force. Even found my wonderful roomie! Wow. Better yet, I found them all well and happy:)

Been chatting with them. I do NOT do chat but there is a lot to catch up on and our phone service is dismal on a good day and just drops if I touch it. Brian must be more conductive. He can make calls!

Cool pics piling up. See if I can get them uploaded and posted tomorrow.

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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

February 14, 2017 rj5156 0

Grain and farmers in trouble.

We have already lost a lot in world grain markets because other countries are not interested in GMO crops. I posted some time back about a huge lawsuit about China rejecting grain arriving in harbors because it was GMO. Farmers sued because they had been gauranteed a market for the crop if I recall thhe details. Not seeing any news that has been settled and it started in 2013. Link about that below.

Mexico may not buy our corn if hostile policies are initiated: … index.html

China rejects corn crop due to unapproved GMO content, lawsuit against seed company: … st-farmers

Grain is a lot of work to grow without modern equipment. Can’t just plant a row of wheat. Farm economics are tied to the food we like to eat.

A friend on one of our forums obseved that milk prices, as paid to dairy farmers, have not gone up in 50 years. We are not accstomed to paying what milk is actually worth and will not like it if we are forced to either.

Lot of small farms have been lost. Looks like the ever-bigger, industrilized farming practices are in trouble now. I have posted before about how nobody wants our GMO crops and farmes often cannot even get non-GMO seeds and the products needed to grow them.

This is all interrelated and directly connected to the food on our plates. Might be time to buy some bulk grain and pack it in inert gas. Looks like a cushion against uncertainty and turmoil in grain production and markets mid-term might be a very good idea.

Might also plant a little corn. Non-GMO, bee and butterfly friendly stuff. It is a challenge to keep it from being contaminated by any GMO corn in the area.

Article describing the economic woes of farming today: … crash-2017

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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

February 14, 2017 rj5156 0

I am watching “Accidental Courtesy”, by Independant Lens. Why are they hitting me? asks the black gentleman, Darryl Davis, as a child. “There are people who simply do not like you, for no other reason than the color of your skin.” his parents replied. “…it was incomprehensible to me.” He says now.

That child grew up to become a remarkable human being. Paraphrasing here, now he says that “If you allow someone whose views oppose your own to express those views, chances are they will return the courtesy.” He seeks out clan members and befriends them. He asks them “How can you hate me when you don’t even know me?” “Exactly what DO you belive?”

He asks them a lot of questions like “Could I join?” and then, of course, “Why not?” He talks with them about music. He finds common ground. He asks questions about their beliefs and in great detail.

He is astonishingly well aware of the small details of their beliefs. He listens. He disagrees with their viewpoint while steadfastly respecting their humanity. He announces that he considers them his friend. He maintains the friendships over years, socaizes with them.

He has a staggering collection of clan robes, given to him by these friends, when they leave the clan. Says one day he will open a museum. That it is important to claim our history. Not all of them leave. He perserveres with steadfast friendship without burdening it with expectations. He just keeps humanizing himself to them and is happy to do this.

He is changing the world. This is almost more than I can take in but I think my world view may be forever altered.

Just before the fire I had planned to invite some local business owners I have failed to communicate with, about why I do not send work to business owners who violate Equal Opportunity laws, out to lunch, just to talk and visit in a public place where I could know I was physically safe. I wonder what my little world – and yours – might look like today if our lives had not been upended, and I had tried that.

I have lately been thinking about this again. Considering if I am in good enough shape to do it well, if I have done enough of the work dealing with the astonishing chain of losses and traumas in our lives the past couple years. Wondering if there was any point, if it is worth the effort.

I FEEL what this man says about his experiences. I can sure relate. I am looking through this man’s perspective as he says “What would you say to people like me, who would say to people like you ….. Where is the place for me in this?” How well he puts it.

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Comparing the Taurus Judge and the Magnum Research: … earch-bfr/

Specs on the Magnum Research: … barrel.asp

The Magnum research weighs in at five pounds. I love the idea – but it’s too much for me. It does come in some different cylinder and barrel lengths, all of them are big – and heavy. With the heavy frame and long barrel it can take the 45 “+P” and “+P+” rounds, not just the standard ones.

It also comes with a removable choke tube, which isn’t really a bonus for what I wanted, have to take it off to load alternating rounds anyhow and I’ll just use my 410 if I only want to shoot a 410 round.

It deserves consideration in the comparison though. SOLID piece of work. Spendy too of course.

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I’m just hauling the govt 45 around when I work around the house. If I’m in the garden, on one of the steep banks, close in. It’s just something to give me cover if I need it, to get to the real gun tucked up out of sight but as easily accessible as I can keep it.

I’m a 12 guage pump shotgun kind of gal at heart but it’s too big to drag around on my person all day when I’m working hard. More firepower is more better in any situation though so I’ve liked the idea of the multiple ammunition features of the Taurus. I’d use it in the same way as I do the 45.

I really should drag it along when I go out with the dogs or to turn the generator off at night too. Spent much of my life alone in the woods with my own critters and I don’t fret overmuch about it but prevention is always best. We’ve been talking about that, doesn’t take long to form a habit and that would be a good one.

Under any ordinary circumstances I wouldn’t have any problems because our dogs and cats keep a very close eye on what is happening in the woods around us and I’d have time to go fetch a shotgun. They come get me and tell me quietly if something unusual is out there. Better safe than sorry though.

I don’t know much about guns and ammo but I started shooting at age 7. Dad laid us girls down on the ground with the 22 sandbagged and worked us up from there. By 12 I was out shooting skeet and targets, Dad was in a local shooting club and did some gun repair too. They all let me shoot whatever they had and I have run a lot of loads through a lot of different guns over my lifetime.

We had all the reloading equipment and I have a gift for repetitive tasks so I put in a lot of hours following instructions EXACTLY, reloading rounds for all of us to shoot. We poured some rounds, I built a muzzle-loader, just redneck fun and games.

The 12 guage is a big much for my shoulders for sport shooting nowadays but I’ll take the hits and pay for it later if I need to. Brian’s 1911 is really too big for me too, but anything under that is still fine for a little while, though I damaged my hands reskinning the floors on c-5’s and 141s in the Air Force. 12 hours a day 7 days a week on a rivet gun, switching hands when one went numb, until it was done. Still hurts.

I go for the Ruger 22 semi-automatic or a high velocity BB gun for recreational shooting these days. Guns have always just been another tool in my life. I appreciate and respect them.

I’m sure glad to live in a time when I can use the internet to get information and ask questions. I remember when I had to look that stuff up, the piles of gun magazines and reference books, it was a lot harder back then.

Thanks again for all your thoughts and experience and assistance.

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I have been searching for info about the Taurus Judge and not found anything about anyone using it for self-defense Orangetom. What you said about today’s metallurgy too, we were talking about that, and feeling thankful to live now and not “back then”! I am really wanting the 6 inch barrel with the 3 inch cylinder, still thinking on that.

Ajax your comments are very helpful. I am betting your friend has the model with a 6 inch barrel? Just curious, do you recall the cylinder length?

Brian showed me the Taurus Raging Judge today. Ooooh Ahhhh! Holds six rounds and also takes 454 casull round in addition to the 410 and 45. … um-review/

We are just looking at this point. Need to check with our local dealer and see what be thinks / if he can get them.

I have read that parts are just not available, guns must be sent back to the factory for repair and I do NOT like that! Been considering taking a gunsmithing course since I’ve already got most of the tools and equipment for repairs and it would bite me right in my life philosophy if I could not work on my own gun!

It would be fair to add that I’ve found info about multiple gun manufacturers having issues with quality though, looks like it’s fairly common. Given how many of them are made, it kind of comes as no surprise.

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Major French wrote:
Stoke that baby with three-inch buck shot buckshot and it’s an awesome scorpion/snake/home invasion crew gun at room length range. What speed loaders are you planning on using with it, too.

Good question Major French, and I had not thought about that. Something to look at. Thank you.

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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

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We went gun shopping yesterday. I talked about that in the gun topic, started a thread on the Taurus Judge.

Now we are exhausted! Stopped at Toys R Us. Got me some toys! I might be grown up enough to like playing house now? It says not to use these stainless pans on the stove. I do not follow silly instructions. The center standing pilot on our gas stove is perfect for these. I won’t overheat them.

We do not have a microwave at home. These are perfect to melt a couple tablespoons of butter, warm a little sauce for dessert, do a half cup of herb infused oil, I could go on but I won’t. We had the silicon spatulas and the 2 1/2 cup stainless measuring cup on the bottom shelf already.

I am actually replacing a ragtag collection of really cruddy and old aluminum baby pans I used for such things for years. I’ve missed them but was adamant about getting rid of the aluminum. VERY pleased to have the functionality back!

The candle lantern would make coffee with these in a pinch, I am sure. Bet I could just use the rack they store on to do that. We already had the rolling pin, silicon spatulas, and the 2 1/2 cup stainless measuring cup shown beside the pans on the rack.





I thought this was too perfect!


Packaging shot.


$20 for the set at Toys R Us. I would have gotten Syd a set too, but they only had one. Stainless toys are fine for her and I do think this set would hold up to her attentions too. We’ll check back and pick up another set for the neglected cockatoo.

Brian suggested that camping pans might fill a niche too. He’s got some in packs with the little stoves and such, which is a fine place for them. He did say that the titanium pans have to be watched closely! I like my stainless, I’ll keep an eye out and see if there is anything in-between the bitty ones and our small saucepan. We are a little bit strange about LOVING to have just exactly the right size for the job.

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A candle lantern. Who knew!? Spring loaded candle, 9 hour burn time. Glass chimney. Optional reflectors available. Bet it would make coffee and other important things using that baby pan set (pics next) on a stand over it. Double duty?! We’ll try it.

I’ve looked into it. A “candlier” that uses three candles is also available. I find an oil insert for it but it is not currently available. We have kerosene lanterns so that’s not an enticing option to me but I do see it could be convenient.


I had never seen these. Brian says he’s got a few tucked into packs. Recall he had MY pack all loaded up and ready for me before we even got married, It’s a marvel of well-considered solutions for needs and comfort, and I really need to haul it around some so I could if I needed to. I see the utility for sure. Think I want the optional reflectors, they are not very expensive. Around $3 for a side reflector and $9 for a two-piece top reflector that comes apart to store.


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Looks like Walmart carries these, I got this one for $20 at Bass Pro yesterday when we were looking at handguns. Picked up two packs of 9-hour candles for it, about $5 for three candles. Walmart is quite a bit cheaper on the candles, I’ll order some and tuck them back. Think I’d like at least one more of the candle lanterns to keep around the house. … n/27653616

Yeah. I just think they are cute. I have absolutely no need for these whatsoever. We’ve got coleman lanterns that use the liquid fuel, traditional kerosene lamps (and the non-smelly fuel) a BIG kerosene light that works like the pump up coleman only it uses kerosene, several sizes of hand-crank lights and solar lights. Never have too many light-making devices though, right?

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Brian had a go at making biscuits.


He put on quite a spread! Syd was excited about it as soon as he opened the bacon. It is hard for cockatoos to wait… We heard a lot about bacon from Syd while it cooked.


Dad started that. I never gave her bacon. It is a LOT harder to stop this than it was not to start it. He fed her anything she wanted and as much of it as she could hold. Must be a grandparent thing. He could not resist when she begged for stuff by name! Softie at heart.


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Gotta try this. Peltier module on a rocket stove made from tin cans – to charge cell phones. Wow. A rainy-day charger! Solar only works when the sun is shining. These are pretty pricey. I’d like to try making one of course. We have a peltier fan on the wood stove. It goes and goes and goes. Moves a lot of air too!

I’ll make a tin can rocket stove since I want to anyhow. Then experiment a little. I’ve wanted to do a picture series of a rocket stove build anyone can do with common hand tools and I want a small rocket stove to play with.

The peltier modules work on the temperature DIFFERENCE. That’s not quite as simple as it looks in the pretty picture below. Got good feedback on these on facebook, friends report they work, and others observe they are not real efficient. Most things that are trying to do more than one thing are not.

Some use water to cool one side. Think the designs I have seen show room for improvement. Honestly solar, wind and hand or foot powered are probably more practical. Just fun stuff on this one. Appeals to my utilitarian nature. Nice if we could benefit twice from a tool! … at-220628/


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I am not thrilled with cylinder aligmnent issues. Been doing some research. Here is what I found.

VERY good discussion of the topic here: … lem-or-not

And info about how to check out a revolver before purchase. I need to print this out and go through it with something we’ve got until I have it down: … check.html

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Lot of helpful information! I thank everyone, and will be referring back to it. We went to Bass Pro yesterday and I handled a couple models. They did not have any of the longer models. I do love the factory grip, nice fit for my hands.

Chatted with some folks who have a Taurus too. They sold me accidentally on the stainless steel model. I love stainless until I have to work it to build something!

We went to a couple other places too. I also asked the folks selling guns about the Taurus. Got mixed reviews. They said they send a lot of newly purchased Taurus guns back to the factory for alingment issues with the cylinder and barrel. Like it loses “timing”. Ran some searches later and saw this is not unusual. They also said it can take some time to get these back from the factory, but they DO fix them.

No one had the Smith and Wesson Governor, it will take the 410, 45 long colt and also 45 ACP, which is what Brian’s 1911 uses, bonus! It is NOT available in longer models. It does take six rounds, where the Taurus holds five. More bullets is more better in my opinion.

I had read that the Taurus line was now available with a six inch barrel and we both really like that for the increase in accuracy over a longer range which is why I hadn’t just started with the Smith and Wesson.

I really want to maximize functionality AND quality and it is looking like there are some trade-offs to consider. It IS a “niche” tool. We are already well covered for guns to do particular jobs but obvously there has not been much offered with the range of capabilities these have.

I may go with a little shorter barrel than the six inch? I am 50 and work hard to stay in good shape but diminishing returns are the rule over time. At 60 and 70 I still want to be comfortable to use it.

I do want a new one. No telling what previous owners ran through a gun… Maybe that is not an issue, but I do not see ever buying another gun for my personal use and I would like to be the only owner.

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IceFire wrote:
I’ve had a Judge since they first came out (back then, they had a 2 1/2 inch cylinder.) When shooting with .45LC ammo, the recoil is pretty well absorbed by the “ribbing” on the rubber grip. When shooting with the 410 gauge shells, there is more of a tendency for “muzzle flip”, and more felt recoil. Unless you plan on spending quite a bit of time at the range shooting, though, it’s not that big of an issue.

When I go deer hunting, I take it along as a sidearm…with a couple rounds of “snake shot”, some 000 buckshot, and a couple of slugs or 45LC loaded. When I’m out in the woods, I never know if I might encounter rattlesnakes, javelinas, bears, or 2 legged “critters”. The Judge lets me be ready to handle any threats.

Thank you IceFire! Everything I hoped for when I asked:) I take it yours has the steel frame? I lean heavily that direction myself. It’s been around a very long time and we’ve got everything we need to fix metal, not that I’d expect it to need repairs. Maybe I’m just old-fashioned?

Brian is starting to get interested, he’s wondering about a duplex load in the .410s with bbs and #2s. Don’t let me fool you, I enjoy reloading as a repetitive task but don’t know much of anything about it. Do you buy your ammo or reload or both?

I really appreciate your comments about how you load it, that is just what I want from the gun and it sounds like a real working tool, loaded as you described.

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Stories and Fiction • Welding and prep?!

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We know what we are doing day-to-day is not what most folks think of when they talk about welding… Good news, an old family friend has asked if we might help him start Mig welding with his old, but new to him Lincoln welder. Looks to be a solid old machine. I prefer them to any of the new ones myself. Be warm weather before he wants to do that, but it’s just around the corner.

I’ll ask nicely and I’m sure he’ll be fine with me taking pictures as we go, to share. We’ll walk through the machine, how it works, how to keep it working, little tips and tricks we’ve learned the hard way. He happens to have a gas-shielded setup but everything we’ll look at will apply to flux-core too. I’m looking forward to visiting with him, and his lovely wife.

Couple things we talked about already, I suggested he run a search for the manuals, he looked online and found the operator and technical manuals for his machine, and downloaded those. I imagine he’ll print those out.

I did tell him about nozzle dip, it’s a commercial product that helps keep the tip cleaner. Dad used bacon grease. Smell it for miles. It worked. Lard probably would be better. Dad DID clean his grease of course. Knowing the preferred way, and what works is always good.

I remarked that when I started I stuck the mig wire right to the tip. I’m still good at that. Nozzle dip helps with this. The tip can be saved by breaking as much wire as possible off, have to take it all apart to cut it loose from the inside, then file the outside gently until it’s flush.

Those little cleaner sets with round files that fold out, used for cleaning gas welding tips do a fine job of poking the last bit of wire out of the hole. Smoosh it in the in the nozzle dip deep enough that the inner part that the wire feeds through gets dunked, and go again.

A wire cleaning felt pad and the solution intended for it saves all kinds of trouble later. Keep the wire clean as we go and we aren’t yanking the liner out of the feed line and trying to resurrect it when we need it to work NOW! Both the solution and the felt pad were shown here:…/dp/B008S1SQ9U

Just clip the felt on the wire between where it comes out of the spool and the tensioner / feed rollers. Dribble a little solution on it once in a while. Change the pad sometimes if it’s cruddy. Clean wire welds nicer too. We just get it from our local supplier, Indiana Oxygen, in Seymour but it looks like walmart carries it at least online.

If you are really interested, the metal cored wire is sweet. Here’s an article about it that covers it much better than I can:…tal-cored-wire

All introduction level stuff, which IS the place to start. Not claiming any particular expertise here, just talking about what we find works.

Our friend was concerned it would be hard to learn. In our experience most folks are making good solid welds in an hour or less. They can put a lot more time in and keep making prettier welds, but that level of effort is not appropriate or needed for most things.

Seems to come a LOT easier to those who can write cursive. Another unforeseen outcome of eliminating that from our school curriculum. Sigh.

I happen to think welding would be a GREAT prep. We have enough solar panels to run a small unit direct on a decent day and everything we’d need to get it together. I’ve looked at it and we could do more of course but I don’t see much need for it in ordinary situations.

If everything went to … well … you know it’s looking a little dicey out there, the ability to do welding repair would be a pretty hot business. Pun intended

So we’ll keep posting about whatever we’re making and I’ll soon be better situated to start posting a lot more practical stuff for the level most folks actually need to do. I’m pretty excited about that! Something to look forward to and someone to share it with. Our definition of happiness.

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February 11, 2017 rj5156 0

I know I post a lot of stuff about fabrication that doesn’t seem to relate to preparing at all. I’m not really talking about welding here though. I am trying to show everyone, with pictures that tell so much more than words, about processes.

I use that word a lot. We can’t seem to help but look for a better way to do something, try to find tricks that streamline a process, make a job easier. We try to show our little assembly lines and how we use overlapping or shared work spaces to get a lot out of a very small area.

We have to see things to imagine them. We were lucky and saw a lot of this stuff all our lives. It’s ALL making stuff to us of course.

There is much fertile ground for cross-pollination too. You might be working with wood but many of the same principles and tools and processes we use still apply. Lot of our layout might help the sewing crowd.

We talk about using tools across applications, like that cutting mat with a grid, to lay parts on to make a CAD me used to enlarge any flat pattern. We always hope something we share will be useful to others and we know it need not apply directly to be useful. Most of what we know about making cupcakes in mold pans would work for pouring plaster casts.

We think that looking at tasks that need done from this perspective is one of the most important preps we can make. But of course we aren’t preppers Just trying to live like Grandma.

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Guns • Taurus Judge

February 10, 2017 rj5156 0

Lot of helpful information here. I appreciate it. I ran a search and did not find any threads on the Taurus Judge. Hope I did not miss one?

Thinking about getting serious about a Judge. Lot to like about it. We’ve got wild pigs, mountain lions, coyotes and poisonous snakes here now and while the judge might not be the best for any one of these, it is the only thing I would actually carry around, that might get me out of a jam with any of them so long as I keep my cool. I’m not interested in shooting the unless it is necessary. Well. Maybe the pigs, we like pork!

I’ve done some research, I like the 3 inch cylinder and 6 inch barrel. Looks like alternating .410 buckshot loads with .45 long colt rounds would be about right. It weighs in at two pounds, not a lot different than the government 45 I’ve been dragging around.

I like that it can share ammo with my .410, make reloading simpler. Hubby Brian is interested in a couple things that use the 45 colt rounds, so he would have a fine excuse to buy one of those!

Anybody got one? Do you like it? Pros / cons? I’m interested in gloves to help with recoil too, if anyone has used them? Kind of like ear plugs, I know I won’t have the on if I ever need to use it but why do any more damage than necessary?

Might be time to take a field trip to Knob Creek shooting range. I’ve always wanted to shoot some of the really big guns! See if they’ve got a Judge I can run some rounds through.

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Mountain wrote:
I’m looking for a shoulder holster for my Colt series 70 government 1911. I’ve seen a leather military model that looked ok. Anybody use one. If you have a setup that works good I’d like to hear about it. I will use it while in the woods, hunting, and wearing it around town when I get my CCW.

Me too Mountain. Appreciate you asking – and all the helpful replies. Sure saves a lot of time and frustration.

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One last shot. The welder of course, in his new welding helmet. He LOVES it! Something about Star Wars characters…? Says it is so much lighter and cooler he cannot quite believe it.


He went down about noon today. Crawled off to bed after an hour asleep on the couch. Muttering something about how he does not WANT to be sick!

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Setup shot.


Close-up of the clamps at the joint. The triangle deal is something Brian made because he needed something that looked like that. He’s got them in three sizes and machined them true once he welded them. Didn’t have to remove much and the metal itself wasn’t perfect to begin with.


Holding it all together at the base. We use woodworking clamps a lot for longer reaches. Weld sequence still matters to prevent warpage but getting hold of stuff always helps!


Setting up to position the top plate. We have an astonishing collection of shims. We use machinist’s blocks for fit-up and tacking if something is really critical. Then you KNOW it’s right.


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Stories and Fiction • Stainless Steel Tube Welding

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I actually think that dealing with difficult situations and people is an EXCELLENT topic in any preparedness discussion and probably rates it’s own thread. Gets to be a drag though. I generally avoid those trying souls like the plague and avoid any contact with them at all if I possibly can. Takes a lot to motivate me to put up with the irritation. I’ve quit a job or two because it was not worth the nuisance factor to me.

On to better things. I posted a link to a local news article some time ago about the machine these guards are for. Can’t even recall how many we have done now, last couple were done in our shop and I was involved in that. Fun stuff like using a hole saw in the milling machine to make the fishmouth in the tubes. Can’t say I mind giving THAT job up right now.

Yeah. There are several easier ways, but not on a Sunday working with what we had on hand because nobody else wants to do short-notice stuff and everybody seems to hate stainless.

I’ll start with the machine the guards go on. This one is made to handle barrels.


Trying a different sequence, here are the finished units and then we’ll start from the beginning with the build. I’d be interested to hear what you think about the sequencing this round, better? Worse?


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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

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I have been doing this because there are a number of people in my life right now who REALLY need help dealing with bullies. By using myself as an example I hope they won’t feel like I’m singling them out. I am sharing here because I know the problem is not limited to my little world – it is everywhere. Not done with it yet, but I’m done with it for now!

Something to rinse off any residue from the previous series of posts;) Syd enjoying a shower in North Carolina, years ago. Note her wings were clipped back then – VERY important safety feature for birds who might fly away. Lot of responsibility too. Once we clip a bird’s wings, we are responsible for extra vigilance to keep them safe. I never clipped her too short to fly short distances by the way.


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Stories and Fiction • Re: Homeless? Life After a House Fire.

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3 of 3. Closet bullies and how to “out” them.

People hide behind the anonymity of the internet. I have always gotten flamed on technical forums when I show my gender. I do not get this if I keep my gender private. So I’ve had experience dealing with trolls on forums too.

I posted here about a really interesting job Brian did quite some time ago, actually took dictation for him and shared it. You may recall that “Hillbillyman” apparently took offense and started flaming and just wouldn’t stop. Sent me nasty messages, posted trash on my thread.

I view this as sport and entertainment. There’s a link to the whole exchange below if you missed it, but here are the highlights:

I emailed a moderator with links, copies and specific complaints:

This is getting to be less fun for me to share what we are experiencing and learning here on American Preppers Network. I enjoy membership in forums where this doesn’t happen. I only posted here because we thought a bigger forum might help others with off-grid issues.

I’ve got a zero-tolerance policy for this kind of thing and usually just leave a forum if it occurs.

I don’t think that “ignoring” this kind of thing is working though it seems to be standard policy on many internet boards. “Stalking” posters from one board to another is apparently a growing problem on the internet.
I’d like to observe that Hillbillyman has missed the content – and context – of the welding tale altogether and only used it as a springboard to attack me in public with issues that aren’t even relevant.

I am beginning to get interested in obtaining the IP address this harassment is coming from so I can take legal action against the perpetrator if it continues.

This is bullying in the modern-age. We get what we put up with. So far ignoring it has gotten me more of it.

I posted ALL of it publicly on my page and added this:

How to ignore a member:
user control panel > friends and foes tab > manage foes > add new foe > submit
Ahhhh. That’s better. We work very hard to live peacefully, quietly and productively.
Now. It’s not free to be hateful to me.
I added one to hillbillyman’s negative karma with a link to his reply in this section for the reason. Pretty much self-explanatory I’d say.
How to report a member:
I clicked the red exclamation point by the topic subject heading, (between “quote” and “edit”) to “report this post”.
I selected “The reported message does not fit into any other category, please use the further information field” from the drop-down menu for “reason”.
I included the following in the message field for “further information” in the report:
I think that being hateful for the sake of it is uncalled for. I hope I understood the rules I read and agreed to when I signed up on this forum to mean this is inappropriate here.
If I misunderstood and this is an acceptable post here I will promptly delete all my posts and go someplace where this kind of nastiness isn’t allowed…
Can’t say I envy you the job you do, but I sure appreciate that you are there to evaluate my complaint, however you decide to deal with it.

If you’re entertained by it, the fun starts about halfway down the page. The guy used a pic of Fred Flintstone for his user id, those are on the right hand side. I posted all his “private messages” publicly in my thread so you can see those, and the moderator comments too.

Note that I did post a couple times after a few months about letting Hillbillyman come back to the forum if he could behave. Apparently everyone was tired of him? There were no comments or takers. I was not trying to get him banned but he sure needed to stop with me!

I’d still be fine with letting him come back and participate, he did contribute a lot, provided he could behave a little better.

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2 of 3. Closet bullies and how to “out” them:

I have even run into a closet bully on facebook. I almost always favor a direct approach but I tried something different this time and it worked beautifully.

I’ve included a screen shot of a message I got from the dude. I backtracked him. Found his old account on Backwoods home where he is banned. Linked him by his dog, Gizmo, his location, and interests. Found out he knew Dad there – so he knew full well he was kicking me when I was down – or thought so anyway.

I do know our posts draw a LOT of traffic. If all those folks are laughing, that’s great! We have never gotten many replies on internet forums. That’d be normal for us. So the dig didn’t hit anything for me.

I thought about it a very long time. Then I started joining his groups on facebook. ALL of them. Sometimes I participate. I use the same icon so he will KNOW it is me. I never said a word. I just watched.

Saved a list of his friends with links in case he decides to block me, so I can send friend requests and ask them to call him off if he is ever a problem again. Like, his MOM and bestie. I have not heard a thing from him since.

Bet he did not like seeing me everyplace he went but he sure kept it to himself from then on. He has since made his friends list private, looks like. Glad I saved it.

Note I did not “block” or “report” him. It’s easy to work around that, just sign up with a new account. I’d rather know who he is and where he lives / works, and what he is doing.

Here’s his page, link taken from his nasty “private” message to me, he looks pretty normal, doesn’t he? I have to say I appreciate him giving me the opportunity to share ways to deal with this kind of thing.

Links to the troll’s interactions with Dad below. Mostly he behaved well in public posts, I know because I read them. Thus he was banned for his sniping at folks in private messages. He probably signed right back up with a new account but I didn’t find it. Bet he didn’t include personal information that would identify him and get him kicked right back off. … stcount=58 … stcount=59 … stcount=60

He did have a few issues in public: … post232234

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1 of 3. Closet bullies and how to “out” them:

I worked doing customer service by phone here in town years back. Sometimes people I didn’t even know called and HOWLED at me about something I had no control over. I was not disturbed by this. I just put them on speakerphone, turned the volume all the way up and addressed them by name often.

Small town. Often the people who came into the place I worked actually KNEW these howler monkeys on the phone. This generally caused a lot of discussion and laughter – which came through on speakerphone of course. Even people who did not know them often commented on the behavior. AND they would remember how that person behaved when they thought no one was looking.

I almost never had a repeat problem. These folks don’t want help. They just want to abuse someone who cannot easily defend themselves. It is NEVER free to start with me. Putting them on speakerphone sure changed the dynamics. Once they realized they were not hiding and beating someone up for free – they hung up.

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Closet bullies and why I bother to “out” them.

I learned about bullies in public school. I’ve spoken of this before but if you missed it, I was never like the other children. Worse, I have never cared about that.

I paid for this. I was physically attacked, my glasses were stolen, I was pushed down stairs, stabbed a number of times with sharp pencils, my projects were broken, it went on and on and on. The adults in charge absolutely failed to help me be physically safe when I begged them to help me – and those same adults kicked me out when I finally defended my person from harm.

I’ve had all of that I EVER intend to take. Thinking about trying the “freeze away” on the black holes I still carry on my back, arms and stomach from being stabbed with pencils. Be nice if I didn’t have to wear visible signs of those years of abuse for the rest of my life.

I never cared what they said. I ALWAYS made sure they paid for what they did – if I could figure out who did it. Got a special place in my heart for the closet bullies and I enjoy “outing” them very much;)

I did a series of three posts on this topic, they’re next.

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2 of 2. A difficult situation from two perspectives.

It is noteworthy that I never even considered the other side of this situation until just now. I DO live in my own little world, and that all happened long before I learned to try to understand the other point of view…

This supervisor had a lot more years in the military than I did. He’d been promoted from DOING the job, into management of others, as is the military way. We happened to have a unusually high-ranking shop chief when he transferred in to our base, so this guy was sent out to do work in the shop after years of supervising.

I would imagine procedures had changed and he didn’t realize it. He likely had some heartburn over his own “demotion”.

He walks in the door and sees one of three females in the entire maintenance branch, doing stuff that is not in accordance with what HE remembers from his day. He does not have any idea of my background.
He has been saddled with those new troops with absolutely no background whatsoever too, and I was only almost a year into the job. Most of those kids who never held a hammer (or a mop and broom) before they joined the military had to be shown EVERYTHING and it took a very long time to get productive work out of them.

Lot of females played on their gender, got cushy little assignments typing up reports and liked it that way. Many I saw used their gender as an excuse to slack off, do poor quality work and actively incited strife in the manner of 12 year old girls.

I looked about 12 myself. I HAD performed exceptionally well and I was rewarded with the most interesting (and hardest) repairs because I could be counted on to do them very well, and I ASKED for them.

Looking back, I can only imagine how it appeared to him when he walked in the door and saw me doing complex jobs that were generally given to much higher ranking, and more experienced troops. We were assigned to each other, he DID have a lot of technical experience and I WAS the most promising of the new troops.

He wasn’t just my shift supervisor on second shift, he was officially my “trainer” and he took that seriously, without bothering to ask about my background.

I see that my attitude initially must have been as exasperating for him as his was for me.

HIS ability to overcome his preconceptions and SEE me was exceptional. This didn’t turn around just because of me. In the end, I think he nominated me for early promotion, and I know I helped others understand his management style and appreciate his strengths more too.

I am glad I decided to share this. There was more for me to learn here and it feels pretty good right now.

I have actually looked for this guy, and my roommate from the previous post. Even signed up with One of these days I might just get to thank them.

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1 of 2. A difficult situation from two perspectives.

Think I’ll share about how I learned to deal with bullies. I had a supervisor in the military very early in my enlistment who was just a TANK. Critical and negative too. I’d had a couple prizes for supervisors already and it sure was discouraging.

Nothing I did suited this one. He seemed to spend all his time looming over me, telling me how to do every little thing. Especially irritating, he would give me direct orders to do things I KNEW were not in accordance with technical procedures.

I felt like he was treating me like a child. I was angry and sullen. Frustrated and miserable. I was scared too, because if I did some job wrong because he told me I had to, it was MY butt on the line and it would be my word against his.

I had a wonderful roommate who offered me good ideas, not just comfort. We prayed on it. I tried to bring MY personal best to the situations.

I learned to get to work early so I could go dig out the technical manuals BEFORE this supervisor arrived. Since I was in charge of updating these manuals I was very familiar with them. I happen to enjoy reading that kind of thing.

I started going to find him and showing him the procedure for the job in the manual, asking questions to clarify that I understood what it meant. I kept notes so I “wouldn’t forget” and any time he wanted me to deviate from a specified procedure I asked HIM to write it in my notebook, “so I would be able to refer back to it.”

The transformation took a little while, but improvements happened right off. I can bore anyone to death with my love of every little detail of something technical and quickly found I was left to do the job undisturbed.

I went looking for him fairly often to have him “check my work”. He soon tired of this and was less available, he found things to do far away from me;)

As my frustration eased, I noticed how stressed and tired he looked. I started asking about HIS family, how his day was going. I began to see that the things that irritated me the most about him could be very useful when applied properly.

I made suggestions about our tool crib, a disorganized mess. I just love little mindless tasks like sorting mixed nuts and bolts, and organizing tools I use.

He took that ball and ran with it. He put ME in charge of the project! I continued to check in often with him because I was learning to value his input. I thanked him sincerely for his help.

He introduced me to his wife. He brought me tapes of music he thought I might enjoy. He started to relax and found a sense of humor to share and I enjoyed it tremendously.

In less than six months – we were FRIENDS and I was just amazed how much I liked him. He gave me a lot. I still pray for him.

The work habits I developed under this supervisor carried me a long ways really fast. I kept the technical manual open to the job I was doing from then on. I maintained that notebook and went through a lot of them over the years. He helped me be a far better technician in that and any trade I have ever done since.

I have never forgotten that the difficult person is almost always only as difficult as I am either. I might have to work at it to get through my emotional response but I do that and I have a lot of friends to show for it.

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I see bullies called “bulldozers” and “steamrollers” in books and articles on the topic. So far I’ve only talked about how to stop them if they are verbally abusive. But sometimes we have to work with them. When we need their cooperation and they are not being abusive, different tactics are needed. It is first necessary to consider the situation.

When we feel like we are being bullied, there is always a chance we are just not being assertive. Most folks aren’t. We might also be dealing with an enthusiast. I can sure get going on something I feel strongly about or enjoy a lot.

I watch me pretty closely and try to catch me if I am going on and on and on until someone’s eyes are glazing over. Not everyone is as interested in my hobbies as I am;) I try to remember that conversation is about taking turns! Those who know me well and love me will remind me of this when I get carried away. I appreciate this!

When we need cooperation from someone like this, if we are patient, they generally run out of steam. They have things to say on the topic and if we let them go on a bit, once they get them all out, they usually stop. Open-mindedness is not often their strong point – and this can be all of us depending on the topic and situation.

If they are angry and aggressive it is important not to be passive. Once they run down, it’s a fine move to start with any good points they raised, offering praise. If they are standing, it helps if they can be seated. Face your body toward them with open language, not folded arms and all hunched up. Asking questions is useful too, get their pressure off.

Then add what your opinion / need is. Call them by name and do NOT allow them to interrupt. Make eye contact. Turn your body toward them. Stand up.
“_____ I think your ideas about how we can collect overdue membership fees by publishing a list of unpaid memberships in our newsletter could solve our ptoblrms (or: help Mom get some help by getting her an emergency device she can wear) AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO GET OTHERS ON BOARD WITH THIS FIRST BY _______.”

Note the AND. This is crucial. “but” is something they view as disagreement and will likely use to take offense and escalate. “and” often diffuses them. Now we’re allies, not adversaries.
If they try to interrupt, move in a little and say “Their name here, you are interrupting me. Please hear me out so you understand what I am trying to contribute before you jump in with your thoughts.” and keep right on going.

Keep it goal oriented. “Let’s remember we’re trying to _____ here.”
If they get too angry to make progress, “I can see you feel really strongly about this. I think we will make more progress toward _____ if we let this cool and come back to it later.” Offer a time frame. “I’m going to lunch now. I’ll check back after I get back and see if we can get back to work on _____.” or “I’ll just go finish up that _____ and then check back with you about working on _____.”

If they are verbally abusive, I covered that before but I say “STOP!” hold up my hand in the stop signal, and state calmly and loudly, projecting my voice: “This is not productive. You are verbally abusing me and I am not available for abuse. I am leaving now. Let me know when you are calmed down and able to discuss this constructively.”

I walk out, get in my vehicle and LEAVE, making myself unavailable for the rest of that day at least. In a situation where I need to work with a bully I might add “If you have a problem with me you need to tell me calmly and privately what the problem is, how I can fix it and avoid doing it again.”

Yes. I’ll do this at work if just leaving the area doesn’t work, but I made a habit of telling any new supervisor that it is not necessary to holler at me and I will leave if they do. I tell them that I come to work to do a good job and want constructive feedback – and I ask for it often too. “Is there anything I can do better with?”

Bullies usually learned the behavior by BEING bullied. I think they are insecure? Sincere compliments on their good points seem to go a long way. They seem to view life as a series of battles with people who do not understand them.

Changing how we interact with them can transform them into someone who does not just respect us but someone who LIKES us. This can be unnerving but it is very important to watch for signs they are interested in being friends and take care not to reject any olive branches they offer, no matter how prickly it is. Don’t be surprised if you end up liking them very much.

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I’ll not get into it here but whenever I take on a project of this magnitude there is always a reason. I want to save this post I made on facebook to include in my relationship series.

Thinking about tagging our young friends with that series, maybe one a week, and asking them to “grade” my work. I wrote it for them, after all.

Here’s the post:

I saw a post about loving someone so much that you love them even when they break your heart. I thought ” THAT is what being a parent is like.” This is how parents love their children.

Our partners are not our children. Partners need to behave with integrity and dignity, to earn our love and trust by treating us with kindness, honesty and fairness to be honored with sharing our lives – not break it and ask us to parent them.

That is all.

I commented on the post later, to push it up to the top on my friends pages:

I probably should have let this one lie. I am not known for my ability to do this… I do see that I can be the difficult person I have been talking about;) I was going to save that for when my own type tendencies came up but decided I might as well claim it now. I won’t let me off the hook later either.

My motives are always good in my view. I generally only get difficult when I REALLY love someone, because I care. I have been told it can be a challenge to be loved by me.

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Difficult people. A personal example. True story.

Years ago I dated a nice young man for a good while, between six months and a year. I was shopping for some goodies to take with me, on my way to go see him one day. I called him from a pay phone in the grocery parking lot to see if there was anything I might pick up for him. (this dates me, doesn’t it!!) As soon as heard my voice he started HARANGUING me!

I was no good. Nothing I had ever done was right. I was wrong about every thought I ever had – and I was BAD because I was wrong! On and on and on. I held the phone away from my ear and just looked at it in astonishment! I wondered how long he might go on, when he would stop! After perhaps five minutes of this, non-stop, I quietly replaced the phone on the hook.

I went into the grocery and got me some nice snacks. Then I took me fishing. My tackle box lived in my trunk, with a tent, cooler and basic supplies. I had a lovely afternoon with my dog.

I never called him again. I did not take his calls. I abandoned the little items I had left at his place. I left a change of clothes including a nice pair of jeans and a favorite sweater I had stashed there so we could clean up and go out if we had been working at his place, among other things.

I knew he had been under a lot of stress, had some major life events to deal with. I decided in an instant that this was NO EXCUSE for his treatment of me. I counted my lucky stars in learning that he scored highly for abuser potential from a safe distance, and I stayed very far away.

I cannot say I grieved for him. I only grieved for investing time in someone who thought he could treat me like that. Can’t help stupid. I try not to be stupid.

I was much younger then. I DID FEEL IT and heavily. It took me a good while to quit crying, sitting in my car in the parking lot. It really was horrible. Even KNOWING I had not deserved it, it hurt for some time anyway.

I did run in to him once, years later. He was with someone I also knew, and they spoke to me. Since there was a witness, I did not turn and run. I was polite, but I just had to GO, couldn’t be late for my appointment! (Which was getting very, very far away.) Never know if animosity is smoldering, no point in stirring it up.

I work hard to hold myself to very high standards for honesty and fairness. I figure anyone who would abuse me has forfeited their rights to this and my safety is most important. My comfort matters too. I am fine with saying whatever I need to in order to get me out of a bad situation. Might be a hypocrite but I’m comfortable with that.

I have always hung up, even if it was a relationship I couldn’t avoid. I tell them they can call back when they calm down, I won’t take their calls until tomorrow, and hang up immediately. Once is often enough;) I walk right out the door, get in my car and leave in person. This is the biggest reason that I NEVER go places with other people in their car. Brian can be counted on to get me out of there so I love going places with him.

I am widely considered “difficult”, “strange”, “cold”, “unfeeling” and so on by people who do not behave well enough for their opinion of me to matter to me.

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Breaking cycles:

Difficult people have patterns of bad behavior. Back to the bullies.
They raise their voices. They put others down. They call people names. This is all disrespect and verbal abuse.

As soon as that nonsense starts, even if it is my boss (and it has been when I was far younger) I say “STOP!” and hold my hand up. I do not let them run over me.

I say “This is not solving anything. You are too upset to talk about this. If I have done something wrong, you need to tell me privately and calmly what I did, why it is a problem and how I can do better. Anything else is abuse and I am not available for abuse. I am leaving now. Let me know when you are calm enough to deal constructively with this.”

And I walk out. I raise my voice so EVERYONE in a building can hear me but I offer no disrespect and I do not back down. I go do something I enjoy. I make myself totally unavailable for at least the rest of that day.

If I am not invested, I leave out the part about resolution and just call it as verbal abuse, stating that I respect myself too much to be available for abuse of any kind. I project my voice too. If I have to say these things, I say them such that they will carry. I want everyone present to have the opportunity to learn it will not be fun to start with me.

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