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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 26, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:

Missile or no missile?

All of these scenarios assume North Korea sets off a thermonuclear device in a controlled way – via aeroplane, barge, balloon, or some kind of stationary platform.

But the risk to people also largely depends on whether or not North Korea launches a nuclear warhead on an intercontinental ballistic missile or a shorter-range rocket, such as one launched from a submarine.

If successful, such a missile test would show North Korea has miniaturised its weapons. And if the blast appears to be caused by a hydrogen bomb, it would show North Korea could pull off a devastating thermonuclear strike on US soil.

But missiles are prone to failure in multiple ways, especially those in early development. A North Korean ICBM tipped with a nuclear warhead might miss its target by a significant distance, or explode en route.

This could lead to detonation in an unintended place and altitude.

I believe this, and the possibility that the warhead itself might become a dud (rocket launches are fairly rough, it isn’t smooth like taking off in a jet airliner), are the main reasons Crazy Fat Kid is delaying attacking us.

I think you’ve pointed out why he keeps testing them perhaps. Unfortunately, we won’t know when he’s finished “testing” & attack is incoming until the last possible second.

What has me wondering is that both Hawaii & California are preparing for war. Saw an article on each & can maybe find links later in the morning. I’m just home from work & too tired to bother. That they’re preparing wasn’t much of a surprise. Unless you’re blathering idiots, you’ve got to know by now we’re just a breath away from the next global war. That they went public about it, though, surprised me a little.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 26, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:

Missile or no missile?

All of these scenarios assume North Korea sets off a thermonuclear device in a controlled way – via aeroplane, barge, balloon, or some kind of stationary platform.

But the risk to people also largely depends on whether or not North Korea launches a nuclear warhead on an intercontinental ballistic missile or a shorter-range rocket, such as one launched from a submarine.

If successful, such a missile test would show North Korea has miniaturised its weapons. And if the blast appears to be caused by a hydrogen bomb, it would show North Korea could pull off a devastating thermonuclear strike on US soil.

But missiles are prone to failure in multiple ways, especially those in early development. A North Korean ICBM tipped with a nuclear warhead might miss its target by a significant distance, or explode en route.

This could lead to detonation in an unintended place and altitude.

I believe this, and the possibility that the warhead itself might become a dud (rocket launches are fairly rough, it isn’t smooth like taking off in a jet airliner), are the main reasons Crazy Fat Kid is delaying attacking us.

I think you’ve pointed out why he keeps testing them perhaps. Unfortunately, we won’t know when he’s finished “testing” & attack is incoming until the last possible second.

What has me wondering is that both Hawaii & California are preparing for war. Saw an article on each & can maybe find links later in the morning. I’m just home from work & too tired to bother. That they’re preparing wasn’t much of a surprise. Unless you’re blathering idiots, you’ve got to know by now we’re just a breath away from the next global war. That they went public about it, though, surprised me a little.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 18, 2017 Mollypup 0

Given NK’s responses to Trump’s threats, I’d say they’re not afraid of the big bad US. (whether they should be or not is irrelevant) In fact, they’ve thumbed their noses at him. (to put it nicely)

I don’t worry much about it these days. I’ve settled my mind on the fact we’re going to war with NK, most probably a global conflict.

Obvious NK isn’t going to back down & stop. And they’re already being sanctioned. When we make the first move, China will jump in and our global conflict will have started. That is if LFM doesn’t jump the gun on them first & start it himself.

BTW we’re still at war technically with NK. There was just a cease fire, wasn’t there?

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September 9, 2017 Mollypup 0

Oldest daughter & family may be fighting evacuee traffic to get home from Myrtle Beach.

I tried to get them to leave a day or two early. They were stubborn. But then they’ve no experience with this sort of thing. My immediate concern wasn’t Irma, it was them getting locked in traffic & stuck in the path of the storm as it moves up coast. They’re heading out tomorrow, I hope it’s early enough.

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September 9, 2017 Mollypup 0

Oldest daughter & family may be fighting evacuee traffic to get home from Myrtle Beach.

I tried to get them to leave a day or two early. They were stubborn. But then they’ve no experience with this sort of thing. My immediate concern wasn’t Irma, it was them getting locked in traffic & stuck in the path of the storm as it moves up coast. They’re heading out tomorrow, I hope it’s early enough.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 9, 2017 Mollypup 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Son is not being allowed to come home for Christmas, in fact keeping him in S Korea till about 2 weeks before his report
date in January. I’m thinking things are bad there. Would have been his first Christmas home in many a year, he and
all of us are disappointed. We are hoping things will change before then.

He has a lot of leave time he planned to use. But I’m sure they are not wanting to change people right now.

PS I’m keeping him in my prayers.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 8, 2017 Mollypup 0
Blondie wrote:
@Patrioticstabilist @Mollypup Ask what type of visa they are attempting to obtain.

All visas issued by our State Dept have an annual quota. I don’t know if that is calendar year or budget year which expires Sept 30th.

Once the quota is met, it’s a waiting game. Tourist/visitor visa is usually the easiest to obtain and for most countries, limited to 30-90 day stay in the US.

Friends fiancee isn’t due to visit until around the holidays. He traveled to Russia last time, this time she visits here. They’ve done this for years. He went last spring. I know her passport is up to date but I’m not sure about visas & such. I can ask. They have considerable experience with such things. Friend has always found the Russian officials to be quite helpful. He has a 3 yr visa……just acquired this spring. I know they were working on hers, I’m not sure if they got it yet. Since all her family is in Russia, they hope to have the wedding there. Then spend their time between the two countries. They’re both approaching retirement age.

I didn’t see him tonight at work. I’ll try messaging him this weekend.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 7, 2017 Mollypup 0

All news sources edit according to what they feel is important, what they judge their audience wants / needs to know. There is no such thing as unbiased or objective news. Never has been. Once you understand that & learn to do your own research, you’ll be fine.

I have found some tend to try to be more objective than others, however.

Typically? I read / listen to both sides, do some research to fill it in……..and the objective view is somewhere in the middle, which you have to come up with via the research to balance it out.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 7, 2017 Mollypup 0

All news sources edit according to what they feel is important, what they judge their audience wants / needs to know. There is no such thing as unbiased or objective news. Never has been. Once you understand that & learn to do your own research, you’ll be fine.

I have found some tend to try to be more objective than others, however.

Typically? I read / listen to both sides, do some research to fill it in……..and the objective view is somewhere in the middle, which you have to come up with via the research to balance it out.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 7, 2017 Mollypup 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Not EMP and not Korea. DIL just talked to her aunt in Russia. Her mom was getting ready to take a
trip here to visit she and her sister. Well as of last night apparently no Russians are being allowed to
come to the US. No further information other then she has to turn her tickets back in and its a no
go. Have heard nothing on the news about this. Makes one wonder if its in prep for something little
fat boy is going to do.

She is going to talk to her mom and others and see if that is what is happening.

That is not a good sign.

I have a friend/coworker who’s fiancee is Russian & living over there. I’ll run this past him, maybe he’ll ask to see what her or her family has heard about traveling to the US. She & her family are usually pretty open about such things.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 7, 2017 Mollypup 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Not EMP and not Korea. DIL just talked to her aunt in Russia. Her mom was getting ready to take a
trip here to visit she and her sister. Well as of last night apparently no Russians are being allowed to
come to the US. No further information other then she has to turn her tickets back in and its a no
go. Have heard nothing on the news about this. Makes one wonder if its in prep for something little
fat boy is going to do.

She is going to talk to her mom and others and see if that is what is happening.

That is not a good sign.

I have a friend/coworker who’s fiancee is Russian & living over there. I’ll run this past him, maybe he’ll ask to see what her or her family has heard about traveling to the US. She & her family are usually pretty open about such things.

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September 6, 2017 Mollypup 0

Glad you’re well conjomen!

And yes, friends, neighbors, & preppers are reliable……..

I’m sure you’ll see more mylar. The truck here is about to pull out (or might have already).

Odd conversations at work tonight. Not just on Texas either. Between the wonky weather (we’re now having late Oct weather) and NK……….folks are stocking up. I’ve several reliable (previously unknown) local preppers to lean on should anything happen at work. Cheers a person up to know that a great deal of their fellow employees have BOBs in their cars.

Storm heading in now does have me worried. (Irma) I’ve got kids & grandkids in the predicted path on vacation. They’re planning on leaving prior to the storms arrival. I reminded them…….most people will be leaving, not just them & to pack accordingly. I hope they make it out with plenty of room to spare.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 5, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:
There seems to be a lot of missinformation about THAAD.

First, reliability is near 100%.

Second, the “T” in THAAD stands for “Terminal”
That means THAAD has to be launched from near the target
of the incoming missile and destroy it as it approaches.

Third, THAAD is used to intercept short and medium range
ballistic missiles. No one currently has a proven interceptor
for ICBM’s. This is basically a new and improved Patriot.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/30/us-conducts-successful-thaad-missile-test-after-latest-north-korea-missile-launch.html

Point is THAAD had to be in the right spot.

I don’t know. I know there were experts on the documentary & I’m certainly not an expert on the topic. So I can’t judge them to be right or wrong. Although they had documentation on the failed testing & plenty of video to back up their claims. But I do recall something about it’s biggest flaw being it needs to be in the right place at the right time.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 5, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:
There seems to be a lot of missinformation about THAAD.

First, reliability is near 100%.

Second, the “T” in THAAD stands for “Terminal”
That means THAAD has to be launched from near the target
of the incoming missile and destroy it as it approaches.

Third, THAAD is used to intercept short and medium range
ballistic missiles. No one currently has a proven interceptor
for ICBM’s. This is basically a new and improved Patriot.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/30/us-conducts-successful-thaad-missile-test-after-latest-north-korea-missile-launch.html

Point is THAAD had to be in the right spot.

I don’t know. I know there were experts on the documentary & I’m certainly not an expert on the topic. So I can’t judge them to be right or wrong. Although they had documentation on the failed testing & plenty of video to back up their claims. But I do recall something about it’s biggest flaw being it needs to be in the right place at the right time.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 5, 2017 Mollypup 0
Straydog wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:I’ve been wondering about THAAD too, if it works why don’t they shoot those down?

My thought is we also are making psychological moves preemptive to war. I remember when the first gulf war started. A multitude of weapons never heard of or if there had been conversation of were never confirmed until unleashed. We as a country would be fools for playing all our cards at once in my opinion. Good poker players maintain a good “poker face”. War will not be pretty but backed into a corner we will have no option but to bite back so if that happens we need to “bite” hard enough that we convince others to back off. Again, just my opinion as a current keyboard warrior.

That often seems to be the case. However many of those new technologies are sometimes developed rapidly during the conflict as in WWII.

I’d like to believe we have a good defense, but I’ve not seen anything that proves we do…..not against either EMP or nuclear. I stumbled across that documentary while wandering the net trying to see what defenses we actually have for that type of warfare. I didn’t find the reassurance I was hoping for. :shakeno: I certainly hope we have something grand hidden away in the closet.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 4, 2017 Mollypup 0

I watched an involved documentary that proved THAAD is basically useless. So I wouldn’t count on it protecting anything.

China’s “embarrassed”?? Why?? Because they can’t get away with setting off nuclear bombs every other day & NK can?

Sanctions have done nothing & will continue to have no effect. (except perhaps to tick off other nations)

Love how we keep hee hawing around the issue while he does test after test fine tuning his weapons. Brilliant. Yup.

I do think he keeps setting them off in order to get us used to it……….that way once he’s ready, by the time we realize it’s not another test it will be too late. It would explain all the announcements he’s making as well.

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September 4, 2017 Mollypup 0
anita wrote:
But Molly, if they needed this war (not saying they don’t didn’t they need it last year or the year before? How about 2008 or 2009–didn’t we need it then?

My point is that I doubt he can hit everywhere and everything at once. And, if that’s the case, then our troops in Europe or floating around at sea, or the British, French (and good grief, I hope we don’t have to rely on the French) etc, are going to take him and his minions out. They aren’t just going to be bystanders.

The need for a global conflict (instead of your run of the mill war) has been intensifying each year. 2008-9 was blamed on bad business practices I believe, then govt bailed them out. The economy is tanking again fairly fast……and I don’t think after the public’s reaction last time the govt dares to bail them out when it crashes. Economy though, isn’t the only reason a global war is needed, there are power & political reasons too.

But you just can’t willy nilly thrust your country into a global conflict. The public is likely to turn on you in a serious way. You’ve got to get them used to the idea. While doing that you’ve got to build up an enemy in their eyes. Then you have to convince them this enemy is a large enough threat to them personally to finally thrust them into a global conflict.

We might live in a country where the majority now are brainwashed sheeple……but a huge amount of them also are cowards & the last thing they want is to march off to war or have their kids marching off to war. They’re lazy & entitled. Have someone else do it……. It takes a considerable amount of convincing to change that mindset. And I’ve been watching it change even with folks around here. First it was LFM, aw please he’s a joke, then it was LFM oh, he can’t get any nuclear tech, later…oh he’s testing nuclear test but see it failed…..then oh well, he had a success……..oh, more success……now he’s threatening us? Someone needs to DO something…….and so on.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Powers that Be allowed an attack on our soil. Honestly? It’s the only thing that would motive everyone in the same direction. Of course if it’s an EMP we’re dead in the water & it doesn’t matter much.

So do we strike first then duke it out with china & Russia but prevent an attack from NK? Or do we wait until they hit us (with god knows what) so we can go after them without bringing China & Russia into it…..providing they stick to their word & we’re able to do so?

The US govt has walked us into a no win situation. I believe it was done deliberately. No one is that stupid. No one. Not when we went above & beyond to make certain Iran (I believe?) had no nuclear devices. We’ve ignored this threat too long for anyone to believe it wasn’t deliberate. It’s just not how we operate.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 4, 2017 Mollypup 0
anita wrote:
And all of Europe, along with our troops there, just sit there watching TV? And I didn’t see our nuclear subs or warships mentioned. They, apparently, are just floating around letting things go to rubble.

There are any number of ways things could play out if NK is foolish enough to try something (and don’t forget that their rockets aren’t exactly precise. They could go off far afield of their intended targets.) This is just one far-fetched scenario.

Anita, you forget that the powers that be need this war. If they didn’t, Little Fat Man would’ve been dealt with a very long time ago, quickly & quietly. Poof!

I have a feeling when those EMPs are launched, they’ll hit all intended targets at nearly the same time, including the US. Even if LFM believes himself to be a demigod, his military advisors area going to keep their chances of survival as high as possible. Either that or the US strike will come first. Otherwise……..it gives us far too much time for retaliation they know is going to come.

IF LFM manages to hit us with a successful EMP……..I have strong doubts about our retaliation. Mainly because that leaves the US a big fat sitting duck for invasion by anyone with such an inclination. I wouldn’t be surprised if our focus wouldn’t be on protecting the home front. No telling what our allies or the rest of the world’s reaction would be mainly because there is no way to know how Russia & China would react to such a successful attack. We’ve got powerful allies, yes, but just how powerful are they without our military machine to back them up? Will they want to risk the same fate or worse…a full scale nuclear war?

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 4, 2017 Mollypup 0
anita wrote:
And all of Europe, along with our troops there, just sit there watching TV? And I didn’t see our nuclear subs or warships mentioned. They, apparently, are just floating around letting things go to rubble.

There are any number of ways things could play out if NK is foolish enough to try something (and don’t forget that their rockets aren’t exactly precise. They could go off far afield of their intended targets.) This is just one far-fetched scenario.

Anita, you forget that the powers that be need this war. If they didn’t, Little Fat Man would’ve been dealt with a very long time ago, quickly & quietly. Poof!

I have a feeling when those EMPs are launched, they’ll hit all intended targets at nearly the same time, including the US. Even if LFM believes himself to be a demigod, his military advisors area going to keep their chances of survival as high as possible. Either that or the US strike will come first. Otherwise……..it gives us far too much time for retaliation they know is going to come.

IF LFM manages to hit us with a successful EMP……..I have strong doubts about our retaliation. Mainly because that leaves the US a big fat sitting duck for invasion by anyone with such an inclination. I wouldn’t be surprised if our focus wouldn’t be on protecting the home front. No telling what our allies or the rest of the world’s reaction would be mainly because there is no way to know how Russia & China would react to such a successful attack. We’ve got powerful allies, yes, but just how powerful are they without our military machine to back them up? Will they want to risk the same fate or worse…a full scale nuclear war?

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September 3, 2017 Mollypup 0
Photon Guy wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:Someone posted on one of the ‘mom’ facebook pages that I’m on that she is still in a flood zone and one of her relatives drank water from their tap and is now very sick. She said they are under a ‘boil advisory’ and water was not boiled. They can not get to a hospital due to floods and is asking for help on what to do to help relative. Most of her family/friends were rescued a few stayed. They stayed are in Beaumont.

Boiling will kill bacteria but it will not get rid of other contaminants such as toxic chemicals. Furthermore dead bacteria can break down into toxic chemicals. What I’ve got is a distiller, it completely evaporates the water and then condenses it into its pure natural form. Distilling takes time and you need electricity but if you ask me its the best way to go. If you can’t distill than I would recommend boiling but also filtering.

Excuse my ignorance, but why do you require electricity to distill water?? Would not finding a way to use a cover for the boiling container that would allow the steam to condense into another clean container work? I’m thinking primitive still mechanism here.

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September 3, 2017 Mollypup 0
Photon Guy wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:Someone posted on one of the ‘mom’ facebook pages that I’m on that she is still in a flood zone and one of her relatives drank water from their tap and is now very sick. She said they are under a ‘boil advisory’ and water was not boiled. They can not get to a hospital due to floods and is asking for help on what to do to help relative. Most of her family/friends were rescued a few stayed. They stayed are in Beaumont.

Boiling will kill bacteria but it will not get rid of other contaminants such as toxic chemicals. Furthermore dead bacteria can break down into toxic chemicals. What I’ve got is a distiller, it completely evaporates the water and then condenses it into its pure natural form. Distilling takes time and you need electricity but if you ask me its the best way to go. If you can’t distill than I would recommend boiling but also filtering.

Excuse my ignorance, but why do you require electricity to distill water?? Would not finding a way to use a cover for the boiling container that would allow the steam to condense into another clean container work? I’m thinking primitive still mechanism here.

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September 2, 2017 Mollypup 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
67 here today, really feeling like fall. Got a cantaloupe, watermelon, and some of the irrigated locally
grown produce this morning, won’t be much more of it, I still have tomatoes and some peppers. Maybe
some cukes and squash, need to check, very very dry here.

PS you were positively balmy! We were 53 degrees & rain (lots of rain). Sat here in my fleece jammies determined not to turn on the heat to get the damp chill out of the house. I’d had the windows open last night.

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September 2, 2017 Mollypup 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
67 here today, really feeling like fall. Got a cantaloupe, watermelon, and some of the irrigated locally
grown produce this morning, won’t be much more of it, I still have tomatoes and some peppers. Maybe
some cukes and squash, need to check, very very dry here.

PS you were positively balmy! We were 53 degrees & rain (lots of rain). Sat here in my fleece jammies determined not to turn on the heat to get the damp chill out of the house. I’d had the windows open last night.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:45 pm


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Natural Disasters • Re: Gulf Coast Hurricane

September 2, 2017 Mollypup 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
67 here today, really feeling like fall. Got a cantaloupe, watermelon, and some of the irrigated locally
grown produce this morning, won’t be much more of it, I still have tomatoes and some peppers. Maybe
some cukes and squash, need to check, very very dry here.

PS you were positively balmy! We were 53 degrees & rain (lots of rain). Sat here in my fleece jammies determined not to turn on the heat to get the damp chill out of the house. I’d had the windows open last night.

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Natural Disasters • Re: Gulf Coast Hurricane

September 2, 2017 Mollypup 0
anita wrote:

Mollypup wrote:Anyone in area might want to purchase locking gas caps for their vehicles if they haven’t already. It’s not that difficult to siphon gas out of a tank.

That’s a good idea, except for getting to a store that sells them that’s open! Don’t the little doors over the gas cap on a fair number of cars lock these days?

I don’t know Anita. I don’t have that modern a vehicle. But I’d imagine the little doors can be pried open with a tool, so a locking gas cap would be a 2nd level of defense in that case.

I know it might not be so easy in the flooded areas to get to a store, but it’s a good idea for anyone that might be affected by the shortage. Not to mention, it’s good to have as a prep item anyway. Any time there is a fuel shortage there will be folks out siphoning gas out of tanks to fill their own. Many SUVs and the like hold quite a lot of gas.

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September 2, 2017 Mollypup 0
anita wrote:

Mollypup wrote:Anyone in area might want to purchase locking gas caps for their vehicles if they haven’t already. It’s not that difficult to siphon gas out of a tank.

That’s a good idea, except for getting to a store that sells them that’s open! Don’t the little doors over the gas cap on a fair number of cars lock these days?

I don’t know Anita. I don’t have that modern a vehicle. But I’d imagine the little doors can be pried open with a tool, so a locking gas cap would be a 2nd level of defense in that case.

I know it might not be so easy in the flooded areas to get to a store, but it’s a good idea for anyone that might be affected by the shortage. Not to mention, it’s good to have as a prep item anyway. Any time there is a fuel shortage there will be folks out siphoning gas out of tanks to fill their own. Many SUVs and the like hold quite a lot of gas.

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September 2, 2017 Mollypup 0
anita wrote:

Mollypup wrote:Anyone in area might want to purchase locking gas caps for their vehicles if they haven’t already. It’s not that difficult to siphon gas out of a tank.

That’s a good idea, except for getting to a store that sells them that’s open! Don’t the little doors over the gas cap on a fair number of cars lock these days?

I don’t know Anita. I don’t have that modern a vehicle. But I’d imagine the little doors can be pried open with a tool, so a locking gas cap would be a 2nd level of defense in that case.

I know it might not be so easy in the flooded areas to get to a store, but it’s a good idea for anyone that might be affected by the shortage. Not to mention, it’s good to have as a prep item anyway. Any time there is a fuel shortage there will be folks out siphoning gas out of tanks to fill their own. Many SUVs and the like hold quite a lot of gas.

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August 31, 2017 Mollypup 0

Chemical Plant Near Houston Warns It’s About to Explode

A fire or explosion in the next few days at a flooded chemical plant on the outskirts of Houston is virtually inevitable, its CEO warned on a call with reporters Wednesday.

The Arkema Inc. factory in Crosby, Texas, 20 miles northeast of downtown Houston, lost power early Sunday, which it needs to refrigerate volatile chemicals. Those chemicals ignite if they get too warm ― something likely to happen in the next six days, Arkema North America CEO Richard Rowe said.

“Materials could now explode and cause a subsequent intense fire,” Rowe said. “The high water that exists on site, and the lack of power, leave us with no way to prevent it.”

“We’re really blocked from taking meaningful action,” he added.

The company powered its coolers with backup generators at first, but they were overwhelmed by water and have failed, leaving the chemicals to warm.

Residents living within 1.5-mile radius of the plant were evacuated Tuesday, along with a skeleton crew of Arkema workers who had stayed behind during the storm in case of an emergency.

Arkema manufactures organic peroxides at the Crosby plant. According to a safe storage manual by AkzoNobel, a rival chemical manufacturer, that class of chemicals is considered “highly combustible.” At high ambient temperatures, “a violent combustion or thermal explosion” is possible, the manual says.

Arkema is among dozens of chemical plants and refineries in the Houston area, many of which have sustained damage in this week’s flooding, causing harm to residents’ health and the environment.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

Like these people don’t have enough problems already. :shakeno:

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:42 am


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Natural Disasters • Re: Gulf Coast Hurricane

August 31, 2017 Mollypup 0

Chemical Plant Near Houston Warns It’s About to Explode

A fire or explosion in the next few days at a flooded chemical plant on the outskirts of Houston is virtually inevitable, its CEO warned on a call with reporters Wednesday.

The Arkema Inc. factory in Crosby, Texas, 20 miles northeast of downtown Houston, lost power early Sunday, which it needs to refrigerate volatile chemicals. Those chemicals ignite if they get too warm ― something likely to happen in the next six days, Arkema North America CEO Richard Rowe said.

“Materials could now explode and cause a subsequent intense fire,” Rowe said. “The high water that exists on site, and the lack of power, leave us with no way to prevent it.”

“We’re really blocked from taking meaningful action,” he added.

The company powered its coolers with backup generators at first, but they were overwhelmed by water and have failed, leaving the chemicals to warm.

Residents living within 1.5-mile radius of the plant were evacuated Tuesday, along with a skeleton crew of Arkema workers who had stayed behind during the storm in case of an emergency.

Arkema manufactures organic peroxides at the Crosby plant. According to a safe storage manual by AkzoNobel, a rival chemical manufacturer, that class of chemicals is considered “highly combustible.” At high ambient temperatures, “a violent combustion or thermal explosion” is possible, the manual says.

Arkema is among dozens of chemical plants and refineries in the Houston area, many of which have sustained damage in this week’s flooding, causing harm to residents’ health and the environment.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

Like these people don’t have enough problems already. :shakeno:

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:42 am


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Natural Disasters • Re: Gulf Coast Hurricane

August 30, 2017 Mollypup 0
daaswampman wrote:
We are being lied too! All the news and stories are from upscale areas all pearly white! That is not the majority of Houston. Got word from friends on the ground and it is a free for all in many areas. Everything you would expect without the police and 911 is currently happening. This may make Katrina look like a cakewalk! These people need our prayers!

Think about it – have you seen any news from Black, Latino, or working class neighborhoods? Swamp

I don’t have inside sources, but I was indeed wondering where the news was about the poorer & more ethnic areas because I’ve not seen any. Due to building conditions that are typical in such areas I would imagine the damage to be far more extensive……

Fortunately my sister lives far enough from Houston she’s not involved.

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August 27, 2017 Mollypup 0

I hope everyone in the area is careful & stays safe. I’m keeping them in my prayers.

I’m all for calling out price gougers but making it criminal in our society is sort of contradictory. It can’t be ok to charge according to supply & demand one moment & not just because it’s an emergency.

In my opinion, this is why being prepared should be a fundamental part of childhood teaching. It makes no sense that we don’t do that as a society.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:10 pm


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August 27, 2017 Mollypup 0

I hope everyone in the area is careful & stays safe. I’m keeping them in my prayers.

I’m all for calling out price gougers but making it criminal in our society is sort of contradictory. It can’t be ok to charge according to supply & demand one moment & not just because it’s an emergency.

In my opinion, this is why being prepared should be a fundamental part of childhood teaching. It makes no sense that we don’t do that as a society.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:10 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Extreme Traffic Congestion And Other Horde Concerns

August 26, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:
Today you can count on most people to not start moving
for the first couple of hours after the first signs of SHTF.
Getting a jump on everyone else during that initial period
before others begin to move can be a great advantage.

Mollypup: like Photon Guy, I would like to hear more details
of your experiences.

As I write this, I am watching a map of traffic flow out
of Corpus Chisti, and a weather map of the storm bands
coming into the city. Amazingly, there are still cars being
driven off of the island where Schlitterbahn is located.

Good news is that traffic flowed, moderately heavy and
smoothly, all yesterday, and has been smooth today. But,
amazingly, there are lines at every gas station for miles
around. Long enough lines that they show up on the
traffic mapping tool I am using.

When I was about 12…..so 1978 or so……there was a tanker leak in a major rail yard on the east side of the city (my hometown in central Illinois)…..someone didn’t realize this and a lit cigarette caused the initial explosion which literally woke us up that morning as our front windows & door blew open……we were several miles from the rail yard. I don’t recall all the details but there were other damaged leaking now overheated tankers & the very real immediate threat of a much larger second explosion. The threat wasn’t just the explosion itself (initial wiped out structures in the immediate area as if they were made of match sticks) , but poisoning from the toxic fumes. The alert to evacuate the area went out almost immediately.

Unless you were closer to the rail yard than we were……you didn’t have a clue what had happened. It could’ve been a bomb for all we knew. Sky was black with thick smoke. Police & other first responders were adamant to GET OUT NOW, don’t stop for anything, just GO! This was the wee hours in the morning. This is how people woke up. So you’ve got half asleep folks trying to grasp wth is going on as well as understand to haul butt outta there.

This was no small city by any means, but traffic jams usually weren’t much of a problem. That day, however, traffic didn’t move except at a snails pace due to everyone trying to do the same thing at the same time using the same roads. Cars ran out of gas compounding the issues.

It would’ve been both faster & smarter to walk out. At 12 I realized this. Unfortunately the adults didn’t. They were stuck in the mindset that cars are faster. Not in these circumstances they’re not. Listen to your children, often they point out the obvious adults can’t see. (we’re stuck in a mind set, they’re not)

Second evacuation, different state, I’m a young mother. Had walked out of the grocery store with my husband & I spotted it. Thick black-blue unnatural massive cloud in the west. I don’t know if it was my previous experience or instinct that told me we were in danger. We hauled butt going home….at my insistence. My dh thought I was being paranoid. Nothing on the news when we get there. Dh thought I’d gone off the deep end when I started packing….as did my in laws. I ignored them & kept packing. There were two very young children to pack for…one a newborn with special needs. I didn’t have time to argue & I knew it. It took a half hour before the alert went out. But my FIL, normally an intelligent man, decided to be bull headed & believe it didn’t include us. I started loading cars while being told I was over reacting. FIL wouldn’t move until the police banged on the door & ordered us out. By then the cars were packed & ready……another 15 mins wasted.

Event was caused by another leaking tanker (s) pouring toxic chemicals into the air…..yup that thick blue black smoke. IF they’d listened to my instincts & actually helped me pack & load….we’d have been out of the area long before that knock on the door and probably missed most of the traffic jam. Because evidently everyone thought like my FIL and waited until the last possible second. omg

I will say though, we had everything we needed for sitting out 3 or 4 days in the convention center “shelter” which had no supplies except what the Red Cross brought. If anyone else did, I never ran across them. Meals weren’t set up until the following morning. We were evacuated in the afternoon. We did have a major hitch. We had to take 2 cars. Dh happened to toss the diaper bag full of bottles & special formula into his car while I (and the kids) were in my in laws car………and we did not arrive at the destination at the same time. I had a screaming newborn who was long past feeding (who already had dangerous issues with feeding) and nothing to give him because it was in the other car. First thing I did once we arrived at the evacuation center was navigate through crowds looking for dh & hunting for the Red Cross (praying they were there & had something to feed an infant). I found the Red Cross long before dh, thank God. I wanted to kill the man for putting the diaper bag into the wrong damn car.

Meals weren’t set up until the next morning. Understandable, they needed time to prepare. Too many hungry people & way too many hungry kids. I gave snacks to those kids near us. I can’t stand to see a hungry kid & you do reach a point of doing just about anything to shut up a crying kid (when there are hundreds & it echos). We were relatively comfortable. Pillows & sleeping bags, blankets, toiletries, favorite familiar toys for the toddler. 99 percent came with just the clothes on their backs & were miserable within just a couple of hours. Us adults slept in shifts to make sure our belongings weren’t stolen. I don’t recall sleeping unless I nodded off here & there.

Trust your instinct & follow it. Ignore anyone who goes against it. If your gut is telling you to Get Out, then by damn GET OUT. Odds are it’s going to tell you before anything else will if you pay attention. Instinct is triggered long before the brain has a chance to process information, it is your survival mechanism.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Kids, shoes, and long term survivability

August 25, 2017 Mollypup 0
nibor00 wrote:
Hello there,
What is the best way to purchase baby shoes?
1. Local store
2. Online store
Thanks in advance
:tank:

Honestly? Second hand stores or yard sales. Babies outgrow shoes at a ridiculous rate of speed. Most shoes for them that you’ll find at 2nd hand stores & yard sales still look new. No sense in paying full price for something they might wear maybe a month if you’re lucky.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Fri Aug 25, 2017 3:15 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Extreme Traffic Congestion And Other Horde Concerns

August 25, 2017 Mollypup 0

I’ve seen one when I was a kid. Didn’t bother with this one.

I have, however, experienced such traffic in an evacuation event more than once. One of those times was a Get the Hell Out Now! type deals. They expected most of the east side of the city to blow. So. What happened with the masses? 95 percent were stuck in stand still traffic…….for hours.

I suggested to my mom that we forget the car and walk. I had to duck the slap headed my way & the remark was somewhere along the lines of me being insane…….. (she’s not the most logical person) It took I’d guess an hour to just get out of the driveway. Our street was actually a highway & normally traffic flowed quickly and there wasn’t a ton. The 15 min drive to my aunt’s house just outside of the city took several more hours. Honestly? I would’ve been much faster to just walk there even given the distance. Had it actually blown (after the initial explosion) the entire east end of the city would’ve sustained a ridiculous amount of deaths & injuries, just because everyone was trapped in their cars moving at a snail’s pace. smh

Another time was not much better. Except the car couldn’t be ditched as it had necessary supplies that couldn’t be carried any distance. (I knew it was going to be a long haul due to the above experience) There was a newborn & toddler that required those supplies.

Both destinations were normally very short trips time wise.

Distance doesn’t matter. If you’re in a vehicle, expect flow to come to a grinding halt & stay that way for many hours at the very least. Make evacuation plans accordingly.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 19, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:
It has always been a bad, scary world.

We got a few very temporary reprieves in the late 20th century,
and began to think that was the normal state of things.

It is not.

No. It most certainly isn’t.

The human species has no predator. Therefore in order to keep the population in check, we prey on each other and we start wars. Peace last only long enough to gear up for the next one. :gunshooting:

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:34 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 19, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:
It has always been a bad, scary world.

We got a few very temporary reprieves in the late 20th century,
and began to think that was the normal state of things.

It is not.

No. It most certainly isn’t.

The human species has no predator. Therefore in order to keep the population in check, we prey on each other and we start wars. Peace last only long enough to gear up for the next one. :gunshooting:

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Sat Aug 19, 2017 12:34 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Antifa Protest Movement Danger To Preppers

August 17, 2017 Mollypup 0
RockinB wrote:
These groups are a danger to your children, your grand children and this country. Anyone not agreeing with leftist ideology / antifa are labelled racist bigots by MSM and the Deep State Republicans & Democrats that support them and organize them behind the scenes to propel their agenda for all Americans and destroy President Trump. The U.S. Constitution wont be too far behind.

This is how Russia became the Soviet Union and this is how Maoist “students” killed 10’s of millions of Chinese people and created Communist China.

This will not end well.

No. It won’t end well.

Evidently a great deal of Americans have forgotten the lessons of the last civil war, and unless something happens to interrupt the current situation, we’ll eventually find ourselves in a 2nd one.

Personally? I don’t think it will come to that. We’re on the brink of a serious global conflict. Moment that starts, all this race stuff will be dropped like hot rock.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Thu Aug 17, 2017 3:31 am