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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Needful Things

October 29, 2017 Mollypup 0

daaswampman wrote:Start with all the disposables you use daily. Include all hygiene and health products you have ever needed! Having assisted in the aftermath of several big name storms, two of the most appreciated items were baby wipes and socks! …

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Las Vegas attack

October 4, 2017 Mollypup 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
I do need to organize and add to first aid supplies, also need a bag for my truck.

Not just in the event of attacks but injuries. Little grandson fell and cut his chin, we could
not get it to stop bleeding so ended up at the ER, not necessary. I just ordered 2 cans of blood
stop spray and some blood clot stuff for larger wounds.

I like my knives super sharp, dropped one the other day and the blade grazed my knee and cut
a big gash, had a time getting the bleeding stopped, same day cut finger while cutting carrots.

But I need a first aid kit, we used to have one from hubs job but over time used up the stuff,
I like the ones in the steel case, looking at them now trying to decide if they have enough
essentials. I also need to organize all the stuff I have, its here and there.

Any suggestions for a good, fairly complete one. or a list and is it better to buy piece meal
and just have a small one in the vehicle?

I got a really good one from Sam’s Club way back. Still have it. Liked it so much that I gave each of my grown girls one for their families for xmas that year. I’ve always been one to carry an extra bag with your basic pharmacy in it. It started off with that whole pack the diaper bag thing with the first born & evolved as they grew. My “lunch box” for work is such a bag, although not nearly as large, and most people come to me before going to the company nurse. lol I carry everything from aspirin, tylenol, anti-diarrheals to good cough meds, not to mention some basic first aide supplies. The Sam’s Club first aid kit is kept in the trunk of my car.

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October 4, 2017 Mollypup 0
NJMike wrote:
That kind of kit is a good idea.

I do have an IFAK, plus additional first aid items, all within a backpack kept in my vehicle. It includes items like quick clot, gauze, etc. plus the more mundane items like band-aids. I have been thinking about a smaller pack of just the first aid trauma items, basically something to go in my laptop bag for work for within the office. It can be more difficult for a guy given social norms. Women are almost always allowed purses in a venue, but a man carrying a backpack everywhere doesn’t really work for some places. I wonder if the concert in Vegas allowed bags to be brought in…anyone know?

You could use PC to your favor & call your bag a “man purse” (yes, it’s a thing) :rofl::rofl::whistling:

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Las Vegas attack

October 4, 2017 Mollypup 0
NJMike wrote:
That kind of kit is a good idea.

I do have an IFAK, plus additional first aid items, all within a backpack kept in my vehicle. It includes items like quick clot, gauze, etc. plus the more mundane items like band-aids. I have been thinking about a smaller pack of just the first aid trauma items, basically something to go in my laptop bag for work for within the office. It can be more difficult for a guy given social norms. Women are almost always allowed purses in a venue, but a man carrying a backpack everywhere doesn’t really work for some places. I wonder if the concert in Vegas allowed bags to be brought in…anyone know?

You could use PC to your favor & call your bag a “man purse” (yes, it’s a thing) :rofl::rofl::whistling:

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Las Vegas attack

October 3, 2017 Mollypup 0

NJ Mike I watched live video taken during the concert as the shots were fired. The shots sounded like firecrackers on the video. Witnesses say they too thought at first it was firecrackers & that they thought they were part of the show. It wasn’t until they realized people were dropping that they were gunshots. I don’t know if this had to do with the distance between them & the shooter or perhaps the music drowning out much of the sound or what. I did notice when listening/watching once the music stopped it sounded more like automatic gun fire. (but then that is with foreknowledge that is what it was too)

Be cautious at that concert.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Las Vegas attack

October 2, 2017 Mollypup 0
Blondie wrote:
I found it interesting this guy was mid 60’s. Doesnt fit the profile of a typical active shooter.

Initial report say he was “known to law enforcement” but had no serious criminal history. I read that as = nut case.

Not necessarily. I would imagine if that were the case they wouldn’t hesitate to make it known since it would put doubt on the terrorist angle. There could be other reasons. Police could’ve been tipped off this guy was buying illegal weapons or vast amounts of ammo but didn’t have enough evidence to do anything about it. Could be he’d get drunk & disorderly in the casinos for that matter.

Mid 60s is unusual though. By that stage in life one is usually past irrational impulsive behavior, and if not, others most certainly are fully aware of it.

I’d expect someone in their 60s to not be especially vulnerable to muslim indoctrination either as a young person is. There are exceptions though, always. Just because you’re older doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t be vulnerable to such things.

I find it really unusual that ISIS is claiming responsibility. We’ve had other shootings ect they could’ve made similar claims & didn’t. Very odd.

Since I got in on this while it was happening I’m more than a bit disturbed that both police & many eye witnesses were reporting shooters on both the 32nd & 10th floors. Shooter on the 10th floor was targeting police (most likely to keep them at bay), shooter on 32nd floor targeted the crowd. This was occurring at the same time. There is more than enough distance between the two floors for them not to be mistaken. The more witnesses state the same thing, the more accurate the report. Now, however, only 1 shooter on the 32nd floor is being reported. Seems all those witnesses (including trained police) were mistaken. No. So there is a high chance the 2nd shooter (or more) managed to escape. Are police searching for them? Who knows? It would be difficult to explain….oh hey, we found this other shooter, after you’ve stated to the public the lone shooter is dead & that all accounts of multiple shooters are false. So probably not.

By the way, I’d imagine police can accurately determine where shots being fired at them are coming from.

Apparently Paddock is so skilled he can shoot from two floors at the same time in two different directions. Amazing. (actually a 3rd floor was mentioned but I don’t recall which one & more focus on the 10th & 32nd as the minutes ticked by)

What stands out to me most?

9/11 horrified the nation, but it literally pulled people together. Politics ect was put aside for quite some time to unify against our attacker. Patriotism soared. We were Americans, first & foremost.

Vegas has horrified a nation. If social media is any indication (and it is, which is why I keep it & the hundreds upon hundreds of “friends” I have on it) this is not happening. People are already bickering & at each other’s throats. You’ve got everything from “look what that old white guy did” to “gun control” nuts & it goes to hell from there.

It shows how utterly divided we’ve become as a nation, how serious it really is. The terrorist attack didn’t scare me. (I avoid crowds anyway) But the degree in which we’ve allowed ourselves to become divided most certainly does scare me.

It’s not “us” as a nation anymore. It’s us vs them, no matter what. :shakeno:

Our enemies might as well attack, we’ll be too busy fighting among ourselves to fight back. omg

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October 2, 2017 Mollypup 0

Note: Just stumbled across something that is stating ISIS is claiming responsibility for this attack. According to them, Paddock converted months ago. Reported by the Associated Press. Hmm. Possible. No evidence has been found to confirm these claims yet. However, sort of odd they’d claim responsibility if he didn’t. We’ve had other incidences in which they didn’t.

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October 2, 2017 Mollypup 0

Note: Just stumbled across something that is stating ISIS is claiming responsibility for this attack. According to them, Paddock converted months ago. Reported by the Associated Press. Hmm. Possible. No evidence has been found to confirm these claims yet. However, sort of odd they’d claim responsibility if he didn’t. We’ve had other incidences in which they didn’t.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Las Vegas attack

October 2, 2017 Mollypup 0

Due to my schedule, I caught this as my facebook friends heard it come over the scanner in the wee hours of the morning. Police suspected multiple shooters as fire was coming from various floors of the Mandalay Bay Resort, shooting down at police as well as the crowd.

I must say, I wasn’t surprised to find the shooter “died at his own hand” this morning. Am I the only one to notice that lately in such type attacks the shooter never survives to trial??

Ten weapons found in his room. How many elsewhere in the hotel? (witnesses during this were reporting shots from different floors) How much ammo to go with those guns? A lot as this lasted quite a while, this wasn’t just a few minutes of shooting. At the very least semi-automatic weapons, but sounds fully automatic (not that I’m an expert)……so illegal guns (costly, not as easy to get hold of)

This was a planned attack. Planned and executed with precision to do the most damage possible in a short amount of time. This is not some ol’ guy that “just freaked” or had his cheese slide off his cracker. It took time, much effort, planning, money to carry out. It was like shooting fish in a barrel, literally. Concert goers didn’t even realize it was gunfire for several long minutes until they started seeing people drop.

This was not done in a fit of fury or even insanity. One has to have their wits about them to pull such a thing off.

Of course, now he’s dead, so we’ll never truly know his reasons for mass slaughter. While he may not be connected with an international terror group, it’s still terrorism, there is still a motive behind his actions.

The live twitter feed of the shooting in progress the person recording it realized something was wrong because “people were lying down”, it was taken from another building. This is what I saw at 3 ish this morning when I went hunting for facts after a friend posted what they’d heard on the police scanner.

I do find it interesting that this man was in multiple places at the same time shooting, yet it is reported he is the only shooter. This 60 something man must’ve really been in shape to manage that, it’s not a small building by any means. (this was reported by police as well as eye witnesses on scene during the shooting) I do see that there are “persons of interests” being sought, although they do not state why. One I believe is his girlfriend.

I find this extremely odd. Family reports no history of mental illness. No obvious reason for such a detailed planned & executed attack. (terror group) Not adding up. And I’m no conspiracy freak by any means. It simply doesn’t add up. One doesn’t just wake up & decide one day to open fire on a crowd of 40,000 people for no reason.

It will be interesting to see what “facts” come out of this investigation of yet another dead shooter. And yet again, libs are screaming for gun control, like that would’ve stopped him.

My prayers are with the victims & their families.

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October 2, 2017 Mollypup 0

Due to my schedule, I caught this as my facebook friends heard it come over the scanner in the wee hours of the morning. Police suspected multiple shooters as fire was coming from various floors of the Mandalay Bay Resort, shooting down at police as well as the crowd.

I must say, I wasn’t surprised to find the shooter “died at his own hand” this morning. Am I the only one to notice that lately in such type attacks the shooter never survives to trial??

Ten weapons found in his room. How many elsewhere in the hotel? (witnesses during this were reporting shots from different floors) How much ammo to go with those guns? A lot as this lasted quite a while, this wasn’t just a few minutes of shooting. At the very least semi-automatic weapons, but sounds fully automatic (not that I’m an expert)……so illegal guns (costly, not as easy to get hold of)

This was a planned attack. Planned and executed with precision to do the most damage possible in a short amount of time. This is not some ol’ guy that “just freaked” or had his cheese slide off his cracker. It took time, much effort, planning, money to carry out. It was like shooting fish in a barrel, literally. Concert goers didn’t even realize it was gunfire for several long minutes until they started seeing people drop.

This was not done in a fit of fury or even insanity. One has to have their wits about them to pull such a thing off.

Of course, now he’s dead, so we’ll never truly know his reasons for mass slaughter. While he may not be connected with an international terror group, it’s still terrorism, there is still a motive behind his actions.

The live twitter feed of the shooting in progress the person recording it realized something was wrong because “people were lying down”, it was taken from another building. This is what I saw at 3 ish this morning when I went hunting for facts after a friend posted what they’d heard on the police scanner.

I do find it interesting that this man was in multiple places at the same time shooting, yet it is reported he is the only shooter. This 60 something man must’ve really been in shape to manage that, it’s not a small building by any means. (this was reported by police as well as eye witnesses on scene during the shooting) I do see that there are “persons of interests” being sought, although they do not state why. One I believe is his girlfriend.

I find this extremely odd. Family reports no history of mental illness. No obvious reason for such a detailed planned & executed attack. (terror group) Not adding up. And I’m no conspiracy freak by any means. It simply doesn’t add up. One doesn’t just wake up & decide one day to open fire on a crowd of 40,000 people for no reason.

It will be interesting to see what “facts” come out of this investigation of yet another dead shooter. And yet again, libs are screaming for gun control, like that would’ve stopped him.

My prayers are with the victims & their families.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 28, 2017 Mollypup 0
dmwalsh568 wrote:
While the big worry is EMP taking down not just the grid, but all electrical devices that aren’t shielded properly, there was a report earlier this month that hackers were already inside the grid control computers. North Korea has proven pretty good at hacking (the Sony hack was the most memorable in recent times), so it wouldn’t surprise me if they are actively trying to get into the grid control machines or are already there and waiting for orders from above.

References:
https://www.symantec.com/connect/blogs/ … tack-group
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … /20601645/
http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-cyb … ack-612997

Back up plan for the EMP. Most likely will be pulled off in unison so if the EMP fails we’re still down & out.

That’s what I’d do strategy wise at least & dh always said I unnerved him with my strategy plans when we played war games ect together. I’ve nothing to base his judgement on, he was the military dude, I just played a lot of strategy games as a kid.

Highly doubt NK has the arsenal to hit 500 targets. Maybe a handful at best. However China & Russia do & China has already stated that should Trump move against NK first they will jump into the game. (which is why I think NK is the front guy for China because anyone can see LFM is literally picking this fight & what normal political repercussions of his threats would cause……it’s odd they would make such a statement due to his behavior)

Maybe I can’t wrap my head around it but I still don’t think there would be more than a handful of targets on the big IF nukes were used, I seriously don’t think NK’s allies want to go that route knowing they’re opening themselves up for a similar response. That’s what kept the Cold War from developing into actual war all these years.

LFM is baiting Trump. Big question is how long can advisors ect keep Trumps ego & temper in check so he doesn’t make that first move? Answer: probably not much longer. Not just because Trump has an ego the size of Manhattan or that he’s narcissistic (most politicians are) but because the longer Trump waits to respond, the weaker it makes him & us as a country look to the world.

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September 28, 2017 Mollypup 0

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/791 … rea-russia

The map on this page seems pretty accurate.

The purple triangles indicate big cities, while the black circles are smaller cities and towns, as well as military sites and missile launch sites.

NYC is most likely a primary target. Let’s get serious. Not to mention LA, Washington DC, Chicago……..and that’s just off the top of my head without looking at the map.

I’m within range due to WPAFB…….because it IS a primary target. Not within blast range (unless it misses) but it’s not going to be fun & games either.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 28, 2017 Mollypup 0

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/791 … rea-russia

The map on this page seems pretty accurate.

The purple triangles indicate big cities, while the black circles are smaller cities and towns, as well as military sites and missile launch sites.

NYC is most likely a primary target. Let’s get serious. Not to mention LA, Washington DC, Chicago……..and that’s just off the top of my head without looking at the map.

I’m within range due to WPAFB…….because it IS a primary target. Not within blast range (unless it misses) but it’s not going to be fun & games either.

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September 27, 2017 Mollypup 0

I suppose that may be true Illini & could be what we see. Still, why use them at all when you don’t have to do so? Strategically speaking, it wouldn’t be a good plan. Once you use them your arsenal is used up until you produce more. Not to mention you’ve guaranteed retaliation if not by us then by other countries. EMP keeps your arsenal in tact as back up. Of course too, with an EMP you don’t have to worry just how many of those missiles you send actually make it to target & detonate.

In addition, the world stage ( for all it’s posturing) has avoided the nuclear option for many many decades. They’ve done so with good reasons. A successful EMP would be a way for LFM to save face, still be the Hero he wants to be, and yet still not choose the nuclear option.

Then again, LFM may be so far gone sanity wise that any logical strategic planning is moot. We’re not going to know until it hits.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 27, 2017 Mollypup 0
3ADScout wrote:
Just keep in mind that “fallout shelters” where just that areas to provide protection from radiation post attack, not to be confused with blast shelter that are designed to protect from the actual explosion. Considering that an average size nuclear weapon (Russian) is around 10 megaton not a lot of those fallout shelters in heavily populated would not survive the blast.

This is important to realize since you first have to survive the blast before you need to survive the fallout (depending where you live of course). If you live in any type of populated area or around some type of strategic target surviving the blast, and heat will be the hardest part. Thinking you can hide out in you basement then bug out is not going to happen. Our BOL is outside the blast area of a secondary nuclear target (city of 100K) I’ve been thinking about what to do to for fallout protection in the BOL. My basic plan is to lay down tarps and plastic sheeting on the 1st floor floors, then place dirt/sand/rock over the area where we will be in the basement. The only concern I have is IF the structure is taken in a blast (the guidance system can be off) the fallout would be stronger than I’m anticipating – the floor should stay in place.

Yes, I realize those locations (most anyway) were shelters for after, not blast. Subway might be able to stand blast…….might. I wouldn’t want to have to dig myself out of one though.

I don’t have a BOL, don’t plan to have one. Stock no special supplies for the nuclear option. In that case scenario, it will be what it will be. I’m only about an hour away from a prime target…and as you said, they can miss. Either way, not good. My basement could not be lived in long enough to matter…..it’s an old root cellar, tiny, very.

Oldest daughter actually has a sort of “safe room” under her house. I hope she has it stocked, not like she’s not been warned. Youngest lives in a tri-level, no real basement to it & she is right in the blast area.

Personally? I doubt we’re going to get much warning, if any. At least until the first one’s actually hit target. EMP there will be no warning. Just suddenly nothing works. Poof. When you stop to wrap your mind around it a bit, not sure which is actually worse as an EMP will have planes dropping out of the sky (hundreds/thousands of “bombs” with random targets) Any vehicle in motion will be crashing into anything around it. And it just gets worse from there. But that one is everywhere at ONCE. Nukes likely will not all hit at the same time.

Still highly doubtful nukes are gonna come our way unless Trump really steps in it. The US is prime real estate, the world’s bread basket. There is at least one country I can think of that would love to fill it up with their over flowing population. You can’t do that if it’s a nuclear wasteland. We can be taken down easier, quicker, and much neater with an EMP.

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September 27, 2017 Mollypup 0
3ADScout wrote:
Just keep in mind that “fallout shelters” where just that areas to provide protection from radiation post attack, not to be confused with blast shelter that are designed to protect from the actual explosion. Considering that an average size nuclear weapon (Russian) is around 10 megaton not a lot of those fallout shelters in heavily populated would not survive the blast.

This is important to realize since you first have to survive the blast before you need to survive the fallout (depending where you live of course). If you live in any type of populated area or around some type of strategic target surviving the blast, and heat will be the hardest part. Thinking you can hide out in you basement then bug out is not going to happen. Our BOL is outside the blast area of a secondary nuclear target (city of 100K) I’ve been thinking about what to do to for fallout protection in the BOL. My basic plan is to lay down tarps and plastic sheeting on the 1st floor floors, then place dirt/sand/rock over the area where we will be in the basement. The only concern I have is IF the structure is taken in a blast (the guidance system can be off) the fallout would be stronger than I’m anticipating – the floor should stay in place.

Yes, I realize those locations (most anyway) were shelters for after, not blast. Subway might be able to stand blast…….might. I wouldn’t want to have to dig myself out of one though.

I don’t have a BOL, don’t plan to have one. Stock no special supplies for the nuclear option. In that case scenario, it will be what it will be. I’m only about an hour away from a prime target…and as you said, they can miss. Either way, not good. My basement could not be lived in long enough to matter…..it’s an old root cellar, tiny, very.

Oldest daughter actually has a sort of “safe room” under her house. I hope she has it stocked, not like she’s not been warned. Youngest lives in a tri-level, no real basement to it & she is right in the blast area.

Personally? I doubt we’re going to get much warning, if any. At least until the first one’s actually hit target. EMP there will be no warning. Just suddenly nothing works. Poof. When you stop to wrap your mind around it a bit, not sure which is actually worse as an EMP will have planes dropping out of the sky (hundreds/thousands of “bombs” with random targets) Any vehicle in motion will be crashing into anything around it. And it just gets worse from there. But that one is everywhere at ONCE. Nukes likely will not all hit at the same time.

Still highly doubtful nukes are gonna come our way unless Trump really steps in it. The US is prime real estate, the world’s bread basket. There is at least one country I can think of that would love to fill it up with their over flowing population. You can’t do that if it’s a nuclear wasteland. We can be taken down easier, quicker, and much neater with an EMP.

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TRex2 wrote:
Actually, I am already aware of all of that, and was making fun of them.

Somewhere in the 60”s, the idea of civil defense slid right out of the window (replaced by MAD doctrine), and into a shallow grave. In the 90’s it became replaced by “Continuity of Government,” and citizens were no longer considered of any value (other than for the taxes we pay). Can’t really blame them. The civilization of citizens we once had, destroyed by our government safety nets and leagues of justice warriors, has been replaced by a society of entitlement minded masses, who no longer believe in the precepts that made America what it once was.

“We The People” are on our own, forgotten by a government that is of the government, by the government, and for the government.

Yup. Too too true. :shakeno:

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September 26, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:

ReadyMom wrote:
California Is Already Preparing for a North Korean Nuclear Attack
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/09/25/cal … ar-attack/

California has an odd definition of “preparing”

Noting the heightened North Korean threat, the Los Angeles-area Joint Regional Intelligence Center issued a bulletin last month warning that a nuclear attack on Southern California would be “catastrophic” and urged officials in the region to shore up their nuclear attack response plans.
The report cites North Korea’s late July test of an intercontinental ballistic missile that could, in theory, reach the West Coast of the United States.
“North Korea’s propaganda videos feature ruins of San Francisco and Washington,” the document says.
The 16-page “Nuclear Attack Response Considerations” bulletin is dated Aug. 16 and marked for “official use only.” It was circulated last month to Los Angeles-area local, state, and federal agency personnel and also throughout the Department of Homeland Security and other federal agencies across the country.
The idea behind the unclassified report was to share planning and guidance with as wide a distribution as possible, according to two officials involved in responding to a nuclear strike and who received the bulletin. Many agencies are involved in responding to an attack and are often staffed with personnel without access to classified information.

So, there idea of prepping is to issue a bulletin?

A while back I caught a few things online during my middle of the night wanderings about our emergency planning for Nuclear Attack. If I recall correctly, states have detailed plans in place for such & supplies to cope. Those plans & supplies are for first responders & such. Not the public. Depending upon the state there may be a few shelters stocked with supplies as well, most likely for city govt, again not John Q Public. The bulletins are a type of alert. These states will be/should be having appropriate personnel reviewing said plans & checking/stocking/re-stocking supplies to cope.

I’ve not found that any state / city has fallout shelters for the public as there once was. Buildings tagged fallout shelters (and contained signs telling the public what they were) were old schools, national guard armories, and other buildings with thick brick & mortar construction. These types of designs are rarely built anymore & many of the old buildings have been torn down across the nation. If you get a chance, however, you might want to keep an eye open for them. Usually there is a large yellow sign (you can’t miss it or what it means) somewhere inside of the building or in multiple places inside the building.

I started keeping an eye out quite a long time back out of curiosity. As a child all but one school I attended was a fallout shelter & pretty much any grade school in the city was….and since those were built to accommodate neighborhoods, there were a lot of them & easy to reach. In my home city I know that nearly all the schools are lost. National Guard armory is still there & post office was another option but you can’t fit some 30k or more people into less than a handful of buildings. Here in the small town in which I live now? There were 3 places in which to go even though population is only a few thousand……2 schools & the NG armory. Those schools are gone now & the armory is a bridal shop. *sigh*

In a major city subways are fallout shelters.

Most plans for the public are to “shelter in place”….go to the basement or storm cellar and stay there for x amt of time. Hopefully you were paying attention prior & have supplies in place in your basement. These type notifications (informal) have been circulating for some months now.

As far as the states that are preparing, some of these preparations likely include instructing the public on how to prepare & where to go. Yes, these too will be bulletins, public announcements, ads online and the like. It’s up to John Q Public to take care of themselves. State & city are going to be over busy with casualties once it’s safe to come out of their hidey holes.

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TRex2 wrote:

Missile or no missile?

All of these scenarios assume North Korea sets off a thermonuclear device in a controlled way – via aeroplane, barge, balloon, or some kind of stationary platform.

But the risk to people also largely depends on whether or not North Korea launches a nuclear warhead on an intercontinental ballistic missile or a shorter-range rocket, such as one launched from a submarine.

If successful, such a missile test would show North Korea has miniaturised its weapons. And if the blast appears to be caused by a hydrogen bomb, it would show North Korea could pull off a devastating thermonuclear strike on US soil.

But missiles are prone to failure in multiple ways, especially those in early development. A North Korean ICBM tipped with a nuclear warhead might miss its target by a significant distance, or explode en route.

This could lead to detonation in an unintended place and altitude.

I believe this, and the possibility that the warhead itself might become a dud (rocket launches are fairly rough, it isn’t smooth like taking off in a jet airliner), are the main reasons Crazy Fat Kid is delaying attacking us.

I think you’ve pointed out why he keeps testing them perhaps. Unfortunately, we won’t know when he’s finished “testing” & attack is incoming until the last possible second.

What has me wondering is that both Hawaii & California are preparing for war. Saw an article on each & can maybe find links later in the morning. I’m just home from work & too tired to bother. That they’re preparing wasn’t much of a surprise. Unless you’re blathering idiots, you’ve got to know by now we’re just a breath away from the next global war. That they went public about it, though, surprised me a little.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 26, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:

Missile or no missile?

All of these scenarios assume North Korea sets off a thermonuclear device in a controlled way – via aeroplane, barge, balloon, or some kind of stationary platform.

But the risk to people also largely depends on whether or not North Korea launches a nuclear warhead on an intercontinental ballistic missile or a shorter-range rocket, such as one launched from a submarine.

If successful, such a missile test would show North Korea has miniaturised its weapons. And if the blast appears to be caused by a hydrogen bomb, it would show North Korea could pull off a devastating thermonuclear strike on US soil.

But missiles are prone to failure in multiple ways, especially those in early development. A North Korean ICBM tipped with a nuclear warhead might miss its target by a significant distance, or explode en route.

This could lead to detonation in an unintended place and altitude.

I believe this, and the possibility that the warhead itself might become a dud (rocket launches are fairly rough, it isn’t smooth like taking off in a jet airliner), are the main reasons Crazy Fat Kid is delaying attacking us.

I think you’ve pointed out why he keeps testing them perhaps. Unfortunately, we won’t know when he’s finished “testing” & attack is incoming until the last possible second.

What has me wondering is that both Hawaii & California are preparing for war. Saw an article on each & can maybe find links later in the morning. I’m just home from work & too tired to bother. That they’re preparing wasn’t much of a surprise. Unless you’re blathering idiots, you’ve got to know by now we’re just a breath away from the next global war. That they went public about it, though, surprised me a little.

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September 18, 2017 Mollypup 0

Given NK’s responses to Trump’s threats, I’d say they’re not afraid of the big bad US. (whether they should be or not is irrelevant) In fact, they’ve thumbed their noses at him. (to put it nicely)

I don’t worry much about it these days. I’ve settled my mind on the fact we’re going to war with NK, most probably a global conflict.

Obvious NK isn’t going to back down & stop. And they’re already being sanctioned. When we make the first move, China will jump in and our global conflict will have started. That is if LFM doesn’t jump the gun on them first & start it himself.

BTW we’re still at war technically with NK. There was just a cease fire, wasn’t there?

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September 9, 2017 Mollypup 0

Oldest daughter & family may be fighting evacuee traffic to get home from Myrtle Beach.

I tried to get them to leave a day or two early. They were stubborn. But then they’ve no experience with this sort of thing. My immediate concern wasn’t Irma, it was them getting locked in traffic & stuck in the path of the storm as it moves up coast. They’re heading out tomorrow, I hope it’s early enough.

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September 9, 2017 Mollypup 0

Oldest daughter & family may be fighting evacuee traffic to get home from Myrtle Beach.

I tried to get them to leave a day or two early. They were stubborn. But then they’ve no experience with this sort of thing. My immediate concern wasn’t Irma, it was them getting locked in traffic & stuck in the path of the storm as it moves up coast. They’re heading out tomorrow, I hope it’s early enough.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

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PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Son is not being allowed to come home for Christmas, in fact keeping him in S Korea till about 2 weeks before his report
date in January. I’m thinking things are bad there. Would have been his first Christmas home in many a year, he and
all of us are disappointed. We are hoping things will change before then.

He has a lot of leave time he planned to use. But I’m sure they are not wanting to change people right now.

PS I’m keeping him in my prayers.

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Blondie wrote:
@Patrioticstabilist @Mollypup Ask what type of visa they are attempting to obtain.

All visas issued by our State Dept have an annual quota. I don’t know if that is calendar year or budget year which expires Sept 30th.

Once the quota is met, it’s a waiting game. Tourist/visitor visa is usually the easiest to obtain and for most countries, limited to 30-90 day stay in the US.

Friends fiancee isn’t due to visit until around the holidays. He traveled to Russia last time, this time she visits here. They’ve done this for years. He went last spring. I know her passport is up to date but I’m not sure about visas & such. I can ask. They have considerable experience with such things. Friend has always found the Russian officials to be quite helpful. He has a 3 yr visa……just acquired this spring. I know they were working on hers, I’m not sure if they got it yet. Since all her family is in Russia, they hope to have the wedding there. Then spend their time between the two countries. They’re both approaching retirement age.

I didn’t see him tonight at work. I’ll try messaging him this weekend.

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September 7, 2017 Mollypup 0

All news sources edit according to what they feel is important, what they judge their audience wants / needs to know. There is no such thing as unbiased or objective news. Never has been. Once you understand that & learn to do your own research, you’ll be fine.

I have found some tend to try to be more objective than others, however.

Typically? I read / listen to both sides, do some research to fill it in……..and the objective view is somewhere in the middle, which you have to come up with via the research to balance it out.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 7, 2017 Mollypup 0

All news sources edit according to what they feel is important, what they judge their audience wants / needs to know. There is no such thing as unbiased or objective news. Never has been. Once you understand that & learn to do your own research, you’ll be fine.

I have found some tend to try to be more objective than others, however.

Typically? I read / listen to both sides, do some research to fill it in……..and the objective view is somewhere in the middle, which you have to come up with via the research to balance it out.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

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PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Not EMP and not Korea. DIL just talked to her aunt in Russia. Her mom was getting ready to take a
trip here to visit she and her sister. Well as of last night apparently no Russians are being allowed to
come to the US. No further information other then she has to turn her tickets back in and its a no
go. Have heard nothing on the news about this. Makes one wonder if its in prep for something little
fat boy is going to do.

She is going to talk to her mom and others and see if that is what is happening.

That is not a good sign.

I have a friend/coworker who’s fiancee is Russian & living over there. I’ll run this past him, maybe he’ll ask to see what her or her family has heard about traveling to the US. She & her family are usually pretty open about such things.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

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PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Not EMP and not Korea. DIL just talked to her aunt in Russia. Her mom was getting ready to take a
trip here to visit she and her sister. Well as of last night apparently no Russians are being allowed to
come to the US. No further information other then she has to turn her tickets back in and its a no
go. Have heard nothing on the news about this. Makes one wonder if its in prep for something little
fat boy is going to do.

She is going to talk to her mom and others and see if that is what is happening.

That is not a good sign.

I have a friend/coworker who’s fiancee is Russian & living over there. I’ll run this past him, maybe he’ll ask to see what her or her family has heard about traveling to the US. She & her family are usually pretty open about such things.

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September 6, 2017 Mollypup 0

Glad you’re well conjomen!

And yes, friends, neighbors, & preppers are reliable……..

I’m sure you’ll see more mylar. The truck here is about to pull out (or might have already).

Odd conversations at work tonight. Not just on Texas either. Between the wonky weather (we’re now having late Oct weather) and NK……….folks are stocking up. I’ve several reliable (previously unknown) local preppers to lean on should anything happen at work. Cheers a person up to know that a great deal of their fellow employees have BOBs in their cars.

Storm heading in now does have me worried. (Irma) I’ve got kids & grandkids in the predicted path on vacation. They’re planning on leaving prior to the storms arrival. I reminded them…….most people will be leaving, not just them & to pack accordingly. I hope they make it out with plenty of room to spare.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 5, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:
There seems to be a lot of missinformation about THAAD.

First, reliability is near 100%.

Second, the “T” in THAAD stands for “Terminal”
That means THAAD has to be launched from near the target
of the incoming missile and destroy it as it approaches.

Third, THAAD is used to intercept short and medium range
ballistic missiles. No one currently has a proven interceptor
for ICBM’s. This is basically a new and improved Patriot.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/30/us-conducts-successful-thaad-missile-test-after-latest-north-korea-missile-launch.html

Point is THAAD had to be in the right spot.

I don’t know. I know there were experts on the documentary & I’m certainly not an expert on the topic. So I can’t judge them to be right or wrong. Although they had documentation on the failed testing & plenty of video to back up their claims. But I do recall something about it’s biggest flaw being it needs to be in the right place at the right time.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 5, 2017 Mollypup 0
TRex2 wrote:
There seems to be a lot of missinformation about THAAD.

First, reliability is near 100%.

Second, the “T” in THAAD stands for “Terminal”
That means THAAD has to be launched from near the target
of the incoming missile and destroy it as it approaches.

Third, THAAD is used to intercept short and medium range
ballistic missiles. No one currently has a proven interceptor
for ICBM’s. This is basically a new and improved Patriot.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/07/30/us-conducts-successful-thaad-missile-test-after-latest-north-korea-missile-launch.html

Point is THAAD had to be in the right spot.

I don’t know. I know there were experts on the documentary & I’m certainly not an expert on the topic. So I can’t judge them to be right or wrong. Although they had documentation on the failed testing & plenty of video to back up their claims. But I do recall something about it’s biggest flaw being it needs to be in the right place at the right time.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 5, 2017 Mollypup 0
Straydog wrote:

PatrioticStabilist wrote:I’ve been wondering about THAAD too, if it works why don’t they shoot those down?

My thought is we also are making psychological moves preemptive to war. I remember when the first gulf war started. A multitude of weapons never heard of or if there had been conversation of were never confirmed until unleashed. We as a country would be fools for playing all our cards at once in my opinion. Good poker players maintain a good “poker face”. War will not be pretty but backed into a corner we will have no option but to bite back so if that happens we need to “bite” hard enough that we convince others to back off. Again, just my opinion as a current keyboard warrior.

That often seems to be the case. However many of those new technologies are sometimes developed rapidly during the conflict as in WWII.

I’d like to believe we have a good defense, but I’ve not seen anything that proves we do…..not against either EMP or nuclear. I stumbled across that documentary while wandering the net trying to see what defenses we actually have for that type of warfare. I didn’t find the reassurance I was hoping for. :shakeno: I certainly hope we have something grand hidden away in the closet.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #6 (Sept 2017)

September 4, 2017 Mollypup 0

I watched an involved documentary that proved THAAD is basically useless. So I wouldn’t count on it protecting anything.

China’s “embarrassed”?? Why?? Because they can’t get away with setting off nuclear bombs every other day & NK can?

Sanctions have done nothing & will continue to have no effect. (except perhaps to tick off other nations)

Love how we keep hee hawing around the issue while he does test after test fine tuning his weapons. Brilliant. Yup.

I do think he keeps setting them off in order to get us used to it……….that way once he’s ready, by the time we realize it’s not another test it will be too late. It would explain all the announcements he’s making as well.

Statistics: Posted by Mollypup — Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:11 pm