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General Food Topics • Re: MREs: Flameless Heater Question

August 9, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Zero Source wrote:
Not sure where this belongs, so I will start here.

I have been looking at MREs and how the heaters work. It appears there is a chemical in the bottom of the pouch that has an exothermic reaction when water is added.

I see that the heating pouches, with chemical, are available by themselves. You can get them separately from the MRE kits.

My question is, can you buy the chemical in a stand alone tablet form?

https://theepicenter.com/mre-flameless- … dozen.html

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General Food Topics • Re: MREs: Flameless Heater Question

August 9, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Zero Source wrote:
Not sure where this belongs, so I will start here.

I have been looking at MREs and how the heaters work. It appears there is a chemical in the bottom of the pouch that has an exothermic reaction when water is added.

I see that the heating pouches, with chemical, are available by themselves. You can get them separately from the MRE kits.

My question is, can you buy the chemical in a stand alone tablet form?

https://theepicenter.com/mre-flameless- … dozen.html

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:45 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Evac Vehicle

August 7, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

your “evac vehicle” – BOV – is whatever gets the job done for YOU ….

just might be a small compact vehicle with super mileage and just enough room for your BOBs …. your plan is to get to your fully prepped BOL as ASAP – down paved roads including 70mph interstates – without needing to depend on refuel stops – your lifestyle had to compromise between your job(s) around the metro area and being hundreds of miles away during a SHTF ….

there is no perfect BOV – one doesn’t fit all

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Evac Vehicle

August 7, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

your “evac vehicle” – BOV – is whatever gets the job done for YOU ….

just might be a small compact vehicle with super mileage and just enough room for your BOBs …. your plan is to get to your fully prepped BOL as ASAP – down paved roads including 70mph interstates – without needing to depend on refuel stops – your lifestyle had to compromise between your job(s) around the metro area and being hundreds of miles away during a SHTF ….

there is no perfect BOV – one doesn’t fit all

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 6, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
stonyman002 wrote:
Scored at an estate sale today.

one of those where they open the door and are selling everything in the house. This one was being run by the grandson. While I was in the back porch I noticed a small metal building in the cornor of the back yard all rusted out and the roof caved in. I ask the grandson if there was anything in the back shed? He said he didn’t know but we could go look. The first thing we saw was a 4 foot black snake and that city boy about crapped his pants. He said if I wanted anything from that building I had to dig it out my self. I was looking at that stack of mason jar boxes against the back wall and said I’ll give you 20.00 for everything in the shed and that way you don’t have to deal with the snakes. He said deal… I handed him the money and went to pull my van around back.

22 boxes of jars. pints, quarts and half gallons.
16 Pisces of cast iron. dutch ovens, skillets and griddles.
2 large pressure cookers
a couple of boxes of old kitchen stuff
and other assorted treasures. well treasures to me but to the grandson just a bunch more junk LOL.

I just luv those types of sales – the relatives that don’t don’t give a crap or don’t know crap …. got an entire garage to clean out late last year – Dad died and the family came in for one afternoon to clean up the place – it was a good thing my place was in the neighborhood – that was a load to move ….

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 6, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
stonyman002 wrote:
Scored at an estate sale today.

one of those where they open the door and are selling everything in the house. This one was being run by the grandson. While I was in the back porch I noticed a small metal building in the cornor of the back yard all rusted out and the roof caved in. I ask the grandson if there was anything in the back shed? He said he didn’t know but we could go look. The first thing we saw was a 4 foot black snake and that city boy about crapped his pants. He said if I wanted anything from that building I had to dig it out my self. I was looking at that stack of mason jar boxes against the back wall and said I’ll give you 20.00 for everything in the shed and that way you don’t have to deal with the snakes. He said deal… I handed him the money and went to pull my van around back.

22 boxes of jars. pints, quarts and half gallons.
16 Pisces of cast iron. dutch ovens, skillets and griddles.
2 large pressure cookers
a couple of boxes of old kitchen stuff
and other assorted treasures. well treasures to me but to the grandson just a bunch more junk LOL.

I just luv those types of sales – the relatives that don’t don’t give a crap or don’t know crap …. got an entire garage to clean out late last year – Dad died and the family came in for one afternoon to clean up the place – it was a good thing my place was in the neighborhood – that was a load to move ….

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 6, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
stonyman002 wrote:
Scored at an estate sale today.

one of those where they open the door and are selling everything in the house. This one was being run by the grandson. While I was in the back porch I noticed a small metal building in the cornor of the back yard all rusted out and the roof caved in. I ask the grandson if there was anything in the back shed? He said he didn’t know but we could go look. The first thing we saw was a 4 foot black snake and that city boy about crapped his pants. He said if I wanted anything from that building I had to dig it out my self. I was looking at that stack of mason jar boxes against the back wall and said I’ll give you 20.00 for everything in the shed and that way you don’t have to deal with the snakes. He said deal… I handed him the money and went to pull my van around back.

22 boxes of jars. pints, quarts and half gallons.
16 Pisces of cast iron. dutch ovens, skillets and griddles.
2 large pressure cookers
a couple of boxes of old kitchen stuff
and other assorted treasures. well treasures to me but to the grandson just a bunch more junk LOL.

I just luv those types of sales – the relatives that don’t don’t give a crap or don’t know crap …. got an entire garage to clean out late last year – Dad died and the family came in for one afternoon to clean up the place – it was a good thing my place was in the neighborhood – that was a load to move ….

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 5, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

just picked a few bargains at the garage sales …. 3 new pairs of US military issue boots – $8 …. dozen jelly jars – $1.50 …. #9 Griswold stew pot that needs a brazing repair – $3 …..

working on my whole house DIY generating unit – prepping it up for running it covertly in the garage – installing an automobile muffler and running the exhaust out the roof ….

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 5, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

just picked a few bargains at the garage sales …. 3 new pairs of US military issue boots – $8 …. dozen jelly jars – $1.50 …. #9 Griswold stew pot that needs a brazing repair – $3 …..

working on my whole house DIY generating unit – prepping it up for running it covertly in the garage – installing an automobile muffler and running the exhaust out the roof ….

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A.N.T.S. • Re: US Infrastructure

August 4, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
Hi All: Was reading that our allies and other countries are saying that our infrastructure is a threat to the world and it’s economy. Many are dumping US currency and selling holdings in the US. They think that we have let our infrastructure become dilapidated and dangerous. Many are backing away and lagging on support to the US, saying we are unstable.

Well: what’s your thoughts and comments about these would-be friends and allies? Can we stand alone? How about survive or even prosper? Would we become a easy target to wacko’s? What should we do? Go it alone? Tell them to go to Hell?

actually Prez Trump agrees that the US infrastructure needs re-building – it’s on his agenda and actually supported by many of the other aisle side because of the union possibilities ….

I don’t know where the list is currently – but as part of the campaign there was a compiled list state by state of intended build projects ….

as far as what the foreigners think – total BS – the build of new factories by overseas companies is at it’s highest point in 40 years …. pinpoint that “allies and other countries” and you’re talking Germany & the other EU members that’s trying to stop Trump’s America First – that’s the threat – a revitalized USA – an America that isn’t kizzing their azz ….

Foxxcom is building a new WI plant and will be employing 10,000 new workers – Toyoda & Mazda just announced a new joint plant with the possibilities of another down the road ….

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A.N.T.S. • Re: US Infrastructure

August 4, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
Hi All: Was reading that our allies and other countries are saying that our infrastructure is a threat to the world and it’s economy. Many are dumping US currency and selling holdings in the US. They think that we have let our infrastructure become dilapidated and dangerous. Many are backing away and lagging on support to the US, saying we are unstable.

Well: what’s your thoughts and comments about these would-be friends and allies? Can we stand alone? How about survive or even prosper? Would we become a easy target to wacko’s? What should we do? Go it alone? Tell them to go to Hell?

actually Prez Trump agrees that the US infrastructure needs re-building – it’s on his agenda and actually supported by many of the other aisle side because of the union possibilities ….

I don’t know where the list is currently – but as part of the campaign there was a compiled list state by state of intended build projects ….

as far as what the foreigners think – total BS – the build of new factories by overseas companies is at it’s highest point in 40 years ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:45 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: US Infrastructure

August 4, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
Hi All: Was reading that our allies and other countries are saying that our infrastructure is a threat to the world and it’s economy. Many are dumping US currency and selling holdings in the US. They think that we have let our infrastructure become dilapidated and dangerous. Many are backing away and lagging on support to the US, saying we are unstable.

Well: what’s your thoughts and comments about these would-be friends and allies? Can we stand alone? How about survive or even prosper? Would we become a easy target to wacko’s? What should we do? Go it alone? Tell them to go to Hell?

actually Prez Trump agrees that the US infrastructure needs re-building – it’s on his agenda and actually supported by many of the other aisle side because of the union possibilities ….

I don’t know where the list is currently – but as part of the campaign there was a compiled list state by state of intended build projects ….

as far as what the foreigners think – total BS – the build of new factories by overseas companies is at it’s highest point in 40 years ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 3, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
rickdun wrote:
If the little fat dude does send an ICBM and if it enters the U.S. territory and if we shoot it down, well, you now have an EMP. What’s worse a North Korean ICBM hitting LA, Chicago, NY or an EMP.

I think President Trump will take some sort of military action pretty soon, if these new sanctions don’t work with NK, Russia and Iran but he needs to put the squeeze on China who can put an end to all of this.

???? – there’s an EMP effect whether it’s an enhanced EMP weapon or one intended & detonated for destruction …. if it’s intercepted and destroyed there wouldn’t be a nuke explosion ….

don’t buy into the whole One Second Later scenario – it wouldn’t be a TEOTWAWKI for the US ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 3, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
rickdun wrote:
If the little fat dude does send an ICBM and if it enters the U.S. territory and if we shoot it down, well, you now have an EMP. What’s worse a North Korean ICBM hitting LA, Chicago, NY or an EMP.

I think President Trump will take some sort of military action pretty soon, if these new sanctions don’t work with NK, Russia and Iran but he needs to put the squeeze on China who can put an end to all of this.

???? – there’s an EMP effect whether it’s an enhanced EMP weapon or one intended & detonated for destruction …. if it’s intercepted and destroyed there wouldn’t be a nuke explosion ….

don’t buy into the whole One Second Later scenario – it wouldn’t be a TEOTWAWKI for the US ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 2, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

“What are your thoughts about this?

Do you believe North Korea is a real threat or that this is all a Machiavellian, media-assisted plot to start a war? Are you concerned about the potential of a nuclear strike? I want to hear what you have to say in the comments below”

if you don’t believe that Little Fat Boy having long range delivery weapons – along with his nuke toys – isn’t a threat – you have to be the biggest idiot of all times ….

just like Iran’s threat to attack Israel IMMEDIATELY on their completion of the missile/nuke program – North Korea will be using the weapons being developed …. there’s absolutely no other reason for their creation – they aren’t defensive weapons …

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 2, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

“What are your thoughts about this?

Do you believe North Korea is a real threat or that this is all a Machiavellian, media-assisted plot to start a war? Are you concerned about the potential of a nuclear strike? I want to hear what you have to say in the comments below”

if you don’t believe that Little Fat Boy having long range delivery weapons – along with his nuke toys – isn’t a threat – you have to be the biggest idiot of all times ….

just like Iran’s threat to attack Israel IMMEDIATELY on their completion of the missile/nuke program – North Korea will be using the weapons being developed …. there’s absolutely no other reason for their creation – they aren’t defensive weapons …

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 2, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:
While there submarines pose no direct threat to our mainland (they just don’t have the range, period (they would have to be carried over here on a ship and launched), they could pose a threat to anything within 1000 miles of Korea, and could be part of his strategy.

For instance, he might decide to use his ICBM to launch an attack on our mainland, and then use the subs to try to repel our retaliatory strike.

That it would not work is beside the point, when dealing with him. We have to consider what he might do in a grand moment of irrationality.

I doubt he could land a killing blow, but he could do enough damage that we would be vulnerable to all sorts of other threats.

range – on their own – no …. but not if they are mothered across the Pacific by say – a container ship … there’s more than enough room for one of their nukes – and die hard-loyal party-cadre captains to deliver the package …. takes away the uncertainty of sending the package in a CDX box covered in Chinese made goods for Wally World …

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 2, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:
While there submarines pose no direct threat to our mainland (they just don’t have the range, period (they would have to be carried over here on a ship and launched), they could pose a threat to anything within 1000 miles of Korea, and could be part of his strategy.

For instance, he might decide to use his ICBM to launch an attack on our mainland, and then use the subs to try to repel our retaliatory strike.

That it would not work is beside the point, when dealing with him. We have to consider what he might do in a grand moment of irrationality.

I doubt he could land a killing blow, but he could do enough damage that we would be vulnerable to all sorts of other threats.

range – on their own – no …. but not if they are mothered across the Pacific by say – a container ship … there’s more than enough room for one of their nukes – and die hard-loyal party-cadre captains to deliver the package …. takes away the uncertainty of sending the package in a CDX box covered in Chinese made goods for Wally World …

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:08 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 2, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:
While there submarines pose no direct threat to our mainland (they just don’t have the range, period (they would have to be carried over here on a ship and launched), they could pose a threat to anything within 1000 miles of Korea, and could be part of his strategy.

For instance, he might decide to use his ICBM to launch an attack on our mainland, and then use the subs to try to repel our retaliatory strike.

That it would not work is beside the point, when dealing with him. We have to consider what he might do in a grand moment of irrationality.

I doubt he could land a killing blow, but he could do enough damage that we would be vulnerable to all sorts of other threats.

range – on their own – no …. but not if they are mothered across the Pacific by say – a container ship … there’s more than enough room for one of their nukes – and die hard-loyal party-cadre captains to deliver the package …. takes away the uncertainty of sending the package in a CDX box covered in Chinese made goods for Wally World …

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General Food Topics • Re: Electric vs Gas Operated Stoves and Ovens

July 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
rickdun wrote:

NJMike wrote:
For my backups to electric stoves now, I already have a variety of portable stoves, using a variety of fuels. Of course a fire pit is another alternative.

NJMike that’s good, I also have coleman double burner stove, oven, fire pit, propane grill, charcoal grill, 2 extra wood burners and a sun oven. I had an oven fabricated to put on the wood burners, big enough to put two pizza’s in it. I’m good for cooking, boiling water, keeping warm, etc.. Can never have enough preps when it comes to cooking, sanitation and keeping warm in the winter. :shakeyes:

I have electric hot plates and heaters for back ups to everything gas – having power coming right off the intercontinental grid wires and the nuke plants could guarantee power when everything else goes flat ….

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General Food Topics • Re: Electric vs Gas Operated Stoves and Ovens

July 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
rickdun wrote:

NJMike wrote:
For my backups to electric stoves now, I already have a variety of portable stoves, using a variety of fuels. Of course a fire pit is another alternative.

NJMike that’s good, I also have coleman double burner stove, oven, fire pit, propane grill, charcoal grill, 2 extra wood burners and a sun oven. I had an oven fabricated to put on the wood burners, big enough to put two pizza’s in it. I’m good for cooking, boiling water, keeping warm, etc.. Can never have enough preps when it comes to cooking, sanitation and keeping warm in the winter. :shakeyes:

I have electric hot plates and heaters for back ups to everything gas – having power coming right off the intercontinental grid wires and the nuke plants could guarantee power when everything else goes flat ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:44 am


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General Food Topics • Re: Electric vs Gas Operated Stoves and Ovens

July 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
rickdun wrote:

NJMike wrote:
For my backups to electric stoves now, I already have a variety of portable stoves, using a variety of fuels. Of course a fire pit is another alternative.

NJMike that’s good, I also have coleman double burner stove, oven, fire pit, propane grill, charcoal grill, 2 extra wood burners and a sun oven. I had an oven fabricated to put on the wood burners, big enough to put two pizza’s in it. I’m good for cooking, boiling water, keeping warm, etc.. Can never have enough preps when it comes to cooking, sanitation and keeping warm in the winter. :shakeyes:

I have electric hot plates and heaters for back ups to everything gas – having power coming right off the intercontinental grid wires and the nuke plants could guarantee power when everything else goes flat ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:44 am


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General Food Topics • Re: Electric vs Gas Operated Stoves and Ovens

July 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

if you desire an electric cooking setup for your daily usage – I’d prep up for emergencies with a camping stove that would sit on the electric range – power up the range hood and the rest of the kitchen … if the weather is accommodating go to an outdoor gas BBQ for part of your cooking ….

Id like to remind you about a SHTF that would be severe enough to threaten the propane supply or would have cut the piped gas – talking severe severe SHTF – that most certainly means food shortage – and you wont be cooking big time meals and would be cooking covertly to keep the raiders at bay – same thing applies to running your gennie ….

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General Food Topics • Re: Electric vs Gas Operated Stoves and Ovens

July 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

if you desire an electric cooking setup for your daily usage – I’d prep up for emergencies with a camping stove that would sit on the electric range – power up the range hood and the rest of the kitchen … if the weather is accommodating go to an outdoor gas BBQ for part of your cooking ….

Id like to remind you about a SHTF that would be severe enough to threaten the propane supply or would have cut the piped gas – talking severe severe SHTF – that most certainly means food shortage – and you wont be cooking big time meals and would be cooking covertly to keep the raiders at bay – same thing applies to running your gennie ….

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
If you have done your homework “Prepping”, you should not need to barter until things settle down. Some will disagree, but I think the death rate would be greater than 90% within a year and greatest in cities and areas with severe weather. If any event would happen, others will follow. Just like more people die of disease during wars than battlefield wounds. The same would be true in any SHTF event. Nor will there be any shortage of people. Even if 90% died off, that still leaves over thirty million people to deal with.

I would guess the survival rate would very greatly by region. Rural people in mild climates would certainly have an advantage over urban areas or places with severe climates. Just like those with skills and knowledge will fair better than those who lack them.

The greatest problem with barter other than safety, is finding anyone with something you need or want. I believe there will be a thriving black market just like you see in third world countries today, but that is not barter – that is business! Swamp

I disagree on a couple of things …. and everything depends on the type of SHTF and the local situation ….

you never can be complacent about your preps – you always need to be re-supplying and upgrading your situation – taking advantage when it presents itself – if nothing else it keeps the OPSEC going post-SHTF ….

bartering can begin immediately after the SHTF hits home … you have neighbors with freezers full of food that will be going to waste – if you’re prepped up for preserving meat there’s an opportunity …. neighbors bugging out? – opportunity to gain intel, barter for any SHTF type items and discuss you doing some “house watching” (get some formal authority & the keys if it feels correct) ….

this early bartering falls into the category of being adaptive and being pro-active – again you can”t be complacent that you’re all set and can cruze thru THIS particular SHTF – this SHTF suddenly takes a sharp turn and it’s a whole new SHTF ….

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
If you have done your homework “Prepping”, you should not need to barter until things settle down. Some will disagree, but I think the death rate would be greater than 90% within a year and greatest in cities and areas with severe weather. If any event would happen, others will follow. Just like more people die of disease during wars than battlefield wounds. The same would be true in any SHTF event. Nor will there be any shortage of people. Even if 90% died off, that still leaves over thirty million people to deal with.

I would guess the survival rate would very greatly by region. Rural people in mild climates would certainly have an advantage over urban areas or places with severe climates. Just like those with skills and knowledge will fair better than those who lack them.

The greatest problem with barter other than safety, is finding anyone with something you need or want. I believe there will be a thriving black market just like you see in third world countries today, but that is not barter – that is business! Swamp

I disagree on a couple of things …. and everything depends on the type of SHTF and the local situation ….

you never can be complacent about your preps – you always need to be re-supplying and upgrading your situation – taking advantage when it presents itself – if nothing else it keeps the OPSEC going post-SHTF ….

bartering can begin immediately after the SHTF hits home … you have neighbors with freezers full of food that will be going to waste – if you’re prepped up for preserving meat there’s an opportunity …. neighbors bugging out? – opportunity to gain intel, barter for any SHTF type items and discuss you doing some “house watching” (get some formal authority & the keys if it feels correct) ….

this early bartering falls into the category of being adaptive and being pro-active – again you can”t be complacent that you’re all set and can cruze thru THIS particular SHTF – this SHTF suddenly takes a sharp turn and it’s a whole new SHTF ….

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 23, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
idahobeef wrote:
Spices (especiallly salt and pepper since they are so heavily used), bottled coffee (yes it exists, I got 20 of them for $1 at the Dolalr Store and they last a long time in the bottle), SMALL bottles of booze….that guy who survived the Yudoslav Civil War said if you were trading large bottles of ANYTHING, they’d just kill you for it (he mentioned shampoo when he said that). Beans last forever and everyone eats them and finally I would think tinned meats: meat doesnt last long unless its canned or otherwise preserved, and small cans are eary to tote around. We prefer those little suasages in water, Hormel? Cheers!

PS: and extra MEDICINES!

those $1 bottles of freeze dried coffee is the best deal going – it’s decent coffee for being instant – talking about people killing each other over stuff – coffee is going to be one of those items after a month of depriving ….

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Bartering Items?

July 23, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
idahobeef wrote:
Spices (especiallly salt and pepper since they are so heavily used), bottled coffee (yes it exists, I got 20 of them for $1 at the Dolalr Store and they last a long time in the bottle), SMALL bottles of booze….that guy who survived the Yudoslav Civil War said if you were trading large bottles of ANYTHING, they’d just kill you for it (he mentioned shampoo when he said that). Beans last forever and everyone eats them and finally I would think tinned meats: meat doesnt last long unless its canned or otherwise preserved, and small cans are eary to tote around. We prefer those little suasages in water, Hormel? Cheers!

PS: and extra MEDICINES!

those $1 bottles of freeze dried coffee is the best deal going – it’s decent coffee for being instant – talking about people killing each other over stuff – coffee is going to be one of those items after a month of depriving ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMPs & Automobiles

July 21, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:
all the EMP studies have been conducted with intensity EMP emissions lower than what is actually expected by the military – specifically designed EMP weapons scaled to overcome the shieldings is expected – the civilian stuff is simply going to melt ….

NORAD moved back into Cheyenne Mountain solely for the EMP threat – spent billions $$$$$ on upgrading the protection – they know what is coming ….

Do you have a cite for either of those assertions?

assertions? – just common knowledge from following nuke development since the 1970s and doing something with a computer besides playing a video game and beating off to porn – try to follow current military activity and you might learn something ….

if you haven’t heard the latest “assertion” – NK is readying another missile test – this one from a sub ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMPs & Automobiles

July 21, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:
all the EMP studies have been conducted with intensity EMP emissions lower than what is actually expected by the military – specifically designed EMP weapons scaled to overcome the shieldings is expected – the civilian stuff is simply going to melt ….

NORAD moved back into Cheyenne Mountain solely for the EMP threat – spent billions $$$$$ on upgrading the protection – they know what is coming ….

Do you have a cite for either of those assertions?

assertions? – just common knowledge from following nuke development since the 1970s and doing something with a computer besides playing a video game and beating off to porn – try to follow current military activity and you might learn something ….

if you haven’t heard the latest “assertion” – NK is readying another missile test – this one from a sub ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:15 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMPs & Automobiles

July 21, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:
all the EMP studies have been conducted with intensity EMP emissions lower than what is actually expected by the military – specifically designed EMP weapons scaled to overcome the shieldings is expected – the civilian stuff is simply going to melt ….

NORAD moved back into Cheyenne Mountain solely for the EMP threat – spent billions $$$$$ on upgrading the protection – they know what is coming ….

Do you have a cite for either of those assertions?

assertions? – just common knowledge from following nuke development since the 1970s and doing something with a computer besides playing a video game and beating off to porn – try to follow current military activity and you might learn something ….

if you haven’t heard the latest “assertion” – NK is readying another missile test – this one from a sub ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:15 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:

new prepper wrote:I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. …

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape …

Actually no, that isn’t quite right. It isn’t the “gap” between the lid and the can, it is the shape of the lip (listen closely to the video – if it is the one I think it is, where he uses a signal generator and a spectrum analyser). That lip creates, shall we say “turbulance” as the wave passes over it. And one of the videos also shows that aluminum furnace tape works just as well (it actually worked better in his test) as copper tape, for a much lower price.

The upper edge of the frequency spectrum of a nuclear induced high altitude EMP is just over 200MHz, so the rivit holes are not a problem either.

UPDATE: The video is no longer available, but here is an article discussing that same test, and the writer ponits out that, in addition to the shape of the lip a long narrow slit gap between the lid and the can would contribute to “leakage.”
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/testi … rbage-can/

how about some good old practical knowledge thru hands on usage – using a garbage can isn’t anything – goes back about as far as I can remember – I set mine up brand new in the early 80s -….

there’s a gap – use whatever stupid semantics you want – there’s no precision used in rolling that edge because there’s no reason – thus the fit between the lid & body isn’t perfect – just to satisfy YOU – it’s the f___ing “shape” …

OK smart guy – why aren’t you watching and listening to that UTube closely? – testing clearly indicates the handle area has leakage – ?????

back to using tape? – where’s your answer? – the use of tape or wrapping in tin foil or some other one usage protection is flawed ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:45 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:

new prepper wrote:I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. …

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape …

Actually no, that isn’t quite right. It isn’t the “gap” between the lid and the can, it is the shape of the lip (listen closely to the video – if it is the one I think it is, where he uses a signal generator and a spectrum analyser). That lip creates, shall we say “turbulance” as the wave passes over it. And one of the videos also shows that aluminum furnace tape works just as well (it actually worked better in his test) as copper tape, for a much lower price.

The upper edge of the frequency spectrum of a nuclear induced high altitude EMP is just over 200MHz, so the rivit holes are not a problem either.

UPDATE: The video is no longer available, but here is an article discussing that same test, and the writer ponits out that, in addition to the shape of the lip a long narrow slit gap between the lid and the can would contribute to “leakage.”
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/testi … rbage-can/

how about some good old practical knowledge thru hands on usage – using a garbage can isn’t anything – goes back about as far as I can remember – I set mine up brand new in the early 80s -….

there’s a gap – use whatever stupid semantics you want – there’s no precision used in rolling that edge because there’s no reason – thus the fit between the lid & body isn’t perfect – just to satisfy YOU – it’s the f___ing “shape” …

OK smart guy – why aren’t you watching and listening to that UTube closely? – testing clearly indicates the handle area has leakage – ?????

back to using tape? – where’s your answer? – the use of tape or wrapping in tin foil or some other one usage protection is flawed ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:45 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
new prepper wrote:
I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. The problem is that you can’t get back into them without cutting the tape. I just tested, via the cell phone test, covering the trash can with a sheet of heavy aluminum foil,then outting the lid on and it seems to work.I hated physic in college, so anyone who really knows about this, please comment if you think this is adequate.

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape needs to re-applied each and everytime you’d utilize a piece of electronic gear during a SHTF – during that lapse period your entire stash is vulnerable …. you can expect either EMP or solar emissions for months after the initial blast – subsequent blasts actually being more intense …

tight wove steel wool is serviceable as a plug/filler – something like 0000Fine – spread a thick layer over the can lip – the inside portion tucked behind the inner non-conductive liner – the outside portion is crushed into position by the overlapping lid …. totally re-usable with no perceivable limited end to it’s usefulness ….

don’t forget the handle rivets – the holes are big enough to allow EMP wave emission entry – solder them closed or tape over them ….

I prefer the “ash can” type cans over the regular garbage cans – the handles not only locks the lid down but also puts tension on the compression between lid & body ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:50 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
new prepper wrote:
I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. The problem is that you can’t get back into them without cutting the tape. I just tested, via the cell phone test, covering the trash can with a sheet of heavy aluminum foil,then outting the lid on and it seems to work.I hated physic in college, so anyone who really knows about this, please comment if you think this is adequate.

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape needs to re-applied each and everytime you’d utilize a piece of electronic gear during a SHTF – during that lapse period your entire stash is vulnerable …. you can expect either EMP or solar emissions for months after the initial blast – subsequent blasts actually being more intense …

tight wove steel wool is serviceable as a plug/filler – something like 0000Fine – spread a thick layer over the can lip – the inside portion tucked behind the inner non-conductive liner – the outside portion is crushed into position by the overlapping lid …. totally re-usable with no perceivable limited end to it’s usefulness ….

don’t forget the handle rivets – the holes are big enough to allow EMP wave emission entry – solder them closed or tape over them ….

I prefer the “ash can” type cans over the regular garbage cans – the handles not only locks the lid down but also puts tension on the compression between lid & body ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:50 pm