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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:

new prepper wrote:I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. …

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape …

Actually no, that isn’t quite right. It isn’t the “gap” between the lid and the can, it is the shape of the lip (listen closely to the video – if it is the one I think it is, where he uses a signal generator and a spectrum analyser). That lip creates, shall we say “turbulance” as the wave passes over it. And one of the videos also shows that aluminum furnace tape works just as well (it actually worked better in his test) as copper tape, for a much lower price.

The upper edge of the frequency spectrum of a nuclear induced high altitude EMP is just over 200MHz, so the rivit holes are not a problem either.

UPDATE: The video is no longer available, but here is an article discussing that same test, and the writer ponits out that, in addition to the shape of the lip a long narrow slit gap between the lid and the can would contribute to “leakage.”
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/testi … rbage-can/

how about some good old practical knowledge thru hands on usage – using a garbage can isn’t anything – goes back about as far as I can remember – I set mine up brand new in the early 80s -….

there’s a gap – use whatever stupid semantics you want – there’s no precision used in rolling that edge because there’s no reason – thus the fit between the lid & body isn’t perfect – just to satisfy YOU – it’s the f___ing “shape” …

OK smart guy – why aren’t you watching and listening to that UTube closely? – testing clearly indicates the handle area has leakage – ?????

back to using tape? – where’s your answer? – the use of tape or wrapping in tin foil or some other one usage protection is flawed ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:

new prepper wrote:I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. …

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape …

Actually no, that isn’t quite right. It isn’t the “gap” between the lid and the can, it is the shape of the lip (listen closely to the video – if it is the one I think it is, where he uses a signal generator and a spectrum analyser). That lip creates, shall we say “turbulance” as the wave passes over it. And one of the videos also shows that aluminum furnace tape works just as well (it actually worked better in his test) as copper tape, for a much lower price.

The upper edge of the frequency spectrum of a nuclear induced high altitude EMP is just over 200MHz, so the rivit holes are not a problem either.

UPDATE: The video is no longer available, but here is an article discussing that same test, and the writer ponits out that, in addition to the shape of the lip a long narrow slit gap between the lid and the can would contribute to “leakage.”
http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/testi … rbage-can/

how about some good old practical knowledge thru hands on usage – using a garbage can isn’t anything – goes back about as far as I can remember – I set mine up brand new in the early 80s -….

there’s a gap – use whatever stupid semantics you want – there’s no precision used in rolling that edge because there’s no reason – thus the fit between the lid & body isn’t perfect – just to satisfy YOU – it’s the f___ing “shape” …

OK smart guy – why aren’t you watching and listening to that UTube closely? – testing clearly indicates the handle area has leakage – ?????

back to using tape? – where’s your answer? – the use of tape or wrapping in tin foil or some other one usage protection is flawed ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
new prepper wrote:
I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. The problem is that you can’t get back into them without cutting the tape. I just tested, via the cell phone test, covering the trash can with a sheet of heavy aluminum foil,then outting the lid on and it seems to work.I hated physic in college, so anyone who really knows about this, please comment if you think this is adequate.

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape needs to re-applied each and everytime you’d utilize a piece of electronic gear during a SHTF – during that lapse period your entire stash is vulnerable …. you can expect either EMP or solar emissions for months after the initial blast – subsequent blasts actually being more intense …

tight wove steel wool is serviceable as a plug/filler – something like 0000Fine – spread a thick layer over the can lip – the inside portion tucked behind the inner non-conductive liner – the outside portion is crushed into position by the overlapping lid …. totally re-usable with no perceivable limited end to it’s usefulness ….

don’t forget the handle rivets – the holes are big enough to allow EMP wave emission entry – solder them closed or tape over them ….

I prefer the “ash can” type cans over the regular garbage cans – the handles not only locks the lid down but also puts tension on the compression between lid & body ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: FARADAY CAGES

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
new prepper wrote:
I’m using a trash can. In Dr. arthur Bradley’s You Tube video on them, He makes a strong case for using foil tape to seal them. The problem is that you can’t get back into them without cutting the tape. I just tested, via the cell phone test, covering the trash can with a sheet of heavy aluminum foil,then outting the lid on and it seems to work.I hated physic in college, so anyone who really knows about this, please comment if you think this is adequate.

you have the flaw pinpointed in that design – that gap between the lid & body needs to be addressed – the copper tape needs to re-applied each and everytime you’d utilize a piece of electronic gear during a SHTF – during that lapse period your entire stash is vulnerable …. you can expect either EMP or solar emissions for months after the initial blast – subsequent blasts actually being more intense …

tight wove steel wool is serviceable as a plug/filler – something like 0000Fine – spread a thick layer over the can lip – the inside portion tucked behind the inner non-conductive liner – the outside portion is crushed into position by the overlapping lid …. totally re-usable with no perceivable limited end to it’s usefulness ….

don’t forget the handle rivets – the holes are big enough to allow EMP wave emission entry – solder them closed or tape over them ….

I prefer the “ash can” type cans over the regular garbage cans – the handles not only locks the lid down but also puts tension on the compression between lid & body ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:50 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMPs & Automobiles

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
new prepper wrote:
My understanding, is that they are still not sure. The one test done was grossly underfunded. They used rental cars and vehicles borrowed from other gov. agencies. Those cars had to be returned, in the condition they were received in. As soon as it looked like the emp generator was effecting the vehicles, they terminated the test.

Just in case, I’d plan on an alternate way to get home from work.

all the EMP studies have been conducted with intensity EMP emissions lower than what is actually expected by the military – specifically designed EMP weapons scaled to overcome the shieldings is expected – the civilian stuff is simply going to melt ….

NORAD moved back into Cheyenne Mountain solely for the EMP threat – spent billions $$$$$ on upgrading the protection – they know what is coming ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMPs & Automobiles

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
new prepper wrote:
My understanding, is that they are still not sure. The one test done was grossly underfunded. They used rental cars and vehicles borrowed from other gov. agencies. Those cars had to be returned, in the condition they were received in. As soon as it looked like the emp generator was effecting the vehicles, they terminated the test.

Just in case, I’d plan on an alternate way to get home from work.

all the EMP studies have been conducted with intensity EMP emissions lower than what is actually expected by the military – specifically designed EMP weapons scaled to overcome the shieldings is expected – the civilian stuff is simply going to melt ….

NORAD moved back into Cheyenne Mountain solely for the EMP threat – spent billions $$$$$ on upgrading the protection – they know what is coming ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #4 (JULY 2017)

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

“At the point where we chose to use the bombs, Japan wasn’t that far from surrender. It wouldn’t have taken much effort to push them into it. All we had to do was state their emperor could stay in power. It was the only condition of surrender they were holding out on.”

if that is so – then explain Iwo Jima and Okinowa – mass suicide – same same planned for the homelands …. pretty damn eazy for people like YOU to armchair quarterback 70 years later ….

I’ll take my uncle that survived the Pacific Campaign – along with the million expected US casualties – and accept the 100,000s of enemy dead any day of the week … frankly – anyone that thinks different doesn’t deserve to call themselves an American …. traitorship starts with the mindset – ask the ISIS converts attacking innocent civilians …..

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #4 (JULY 2017)

July 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

“At the point where we chose to use the bombs, Japan wasn’t that far from surrender. It wouldn’t have taken much effort to push them into it. All we had to do was state their emperor could stay in power. It was the only condition of surrender they were holding out on.”

if that is so – then explain Iwo Jima and Okinowa – mass suicide – same same planned for the homelands …. pretty damn eazy for people like YOU to armchair quarterback 70 years later ….

I’ll take my uncle that survived the Pacific Campaign – along with the million expected US casualties – and accept the 100,000s of enemy dead any day of the week … frankly – anyone that thinks different doesn’t deserve to call themselves an American …. traitorship starts with the mindset – ask the ISIS converts attacking innocent civilians …..

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Landline Phones

July 19, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
IceFire wrote:
Hey, well at least y’all HAVE landlines (at least for now) my house phone is on a “box” run off of my cell service, and computer is via satellite (as is TV), because the cable/internet/phone lines don’t run out here. And when we have a storm (like the one that just rolled through here) we lose our service until the storm passes. The natural gas, sewer, and water lines don’t run out here either, which is why we’re all on wells and septic systems, and most everyone has a big honkin’ propane tank sitting in their yard. We’re lucky we have electricity. (And we frequently lose that during storms, too, at least temporarily.)

I wish we had the propane tank option – I’d own a small one for just emergency storage …. having everyone dependent on a heating fuel from halfway across the country isn’t at all comforting ….

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Landline Phones

July 19, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
IceFire wrote:
Hey, well at least y’all HAVE landlines (at least for now) my house phone is on a “box” run off of my cell service, and computer is via satellite (as is TV), because the cable/internet/phone lines don’t run out here. And when we have a storm (like the one that just rolled through here) we lose our service until the storm passes. The natural gas, sewer, and water lines don’t run out here either, which is why we’re all on wells and septic systems, and most everyone has a big honkin’ propane tank sitting in their yard. We’re lucky we have electricity. (And we frequently lose that during storms, too, at least temporarily.)

I wish we had the propane tank option – I’d own a small one for just emergency storage …. having everyone dependent on a heating fuel from halfway across the country isn’t at all comforting ….

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Landline Phones

July 18, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
I have always been told to keep my landline as they still work when other phones don’t work! Mine is on an old copper line, but it is getting more and more undependable. After numerous complaints, it boiled down to the phone company ain’t putting any money or effort into landlines. The last time it rained hard, it was out for five days or until the ground dried out!

Is anyone else having problems with their landline. I am about to give mine up as if it ain’t dependable now, why would I think it would work during or after a crisis? Swamp

around here they are updating the landlines with fiber optic technology – just put a thru a new large system this spring – been satellite up-linked for decades …. I keep a couple of the simple landline phones in my Faraday Cage cache – with 911 reverse calling I’m figuring that could be a major communication link for official type info …

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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Landline Phones

July 18, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
I have always been told to keep my landline as they still work when other phones don’t work! Mine is on an old copper line, but it is getting more and more undependable. After numerous complaints, it boiled down to the phone company ain’t putting any money or effort into landlines. The last time it rained hard, it was out for five days or until the ground dried out!

Is anyone else having problems with their landline. I am about to give mine up as if it ain’t dependable now, why would I think it would work during or after a crisis? Swamp

around here they are updating the landlines with fiber optic technology – just put a thru a new large system this spring – been satellite up-linked for decades …. I keep a couple of the simple landline phones in my Faraday Cage cache – with 911 reverse calling I’m figuring that could be a major communication link for official type info …

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:55 am


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Louisiana Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Landline Phones

July 18, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
daaswampman wrote:
I have always been told to keep my landline as they still work when other phones don’t work! Mine is on an old copper line, but it is getting more and more undependable. After numerous complaints, it boiled down to the phone company ain’t putting any money or effort into landlines. The last time it rained hard, it was out for five days or until the ground dried out!

Is anyone else having problems with their landline. I am about to give mine up as if it ain’t dependable now, why would I think it would work during or after a crisis? Swamp

around here they are updating the landlines with fiber optic technology – just put a thru a new large system this spring – been satellite up-linked for decades …. I keep a couple of the simple landline phones in my Faraday Cage cache – with 911 reverse calling I’m figuring that could be a major communication link for official type info …

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Are we becoming to soft for the outside world?

July 17, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

more concerned about society becoming less personally involved and self involved thru self entertainment and electronic communications ….

a physical fitness concern only comes into play if the draft was instituted – take longer to get lard azzes into combat fitness shape – otherwise they can eat all the Hotpockets they want …

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Are we becoming to soft for the outside world?

July 17, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

more concerned about society becoming less personally involved and self involved thru self entertainment and electronic communications ….

a physical fitness concern only comes into play if the draft was instituted – take longer to get lard azzes into combat fitness shape – otherwise they can eat all the Hotpockets they want …

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Mon Jul 17, 2017 7:01 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Are we becoming to soft for the outside world?

July 17, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

more concerned about society becoming less personally involved and self involved thru self entertainment and electronic communications ….

a physical fitness concern only comes into play if the draft was instituted – take longer to get lard azzes into combat fitness shape – otherwise they can eat all the Hotpockets they want …

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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 16, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Permafrost wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:unless “nomadic” is code for raider scum – I don’t see how anyone without a plan for self sufficiency and stocked supplies for backup is going to survive ….. if you have Jeremiah Johnson dreams please will your bear gun to me before you starve to death ….

I’m not seeing how following the caribou herds throughout the year living a nomadic subsistence lifestyle makes a person “raider scum”. Likewise someone who travels from the interior to the coast to fish and then travels to hunting grounds in the north would by definition be nomadic. How are these people raiders or scum. Unless you are talking about raiding the earth for resources to live, but I never figured you for a greenie Illini so I am truly confused.

P.S. I’ll keep my bear gun, I have not starved to death yet and I don’t plan on it in the future. I’m not sure who Jeremiah Johnson is but it seems kind of like a dig at anyone who lives subsistence. People have lived here since the beginning of time hunting and fishing and trapping to feed themselves, moving in small circuits of a few hundred miles and maybe making one big river trip a year for fish. Even if the world all falls apart people will still be able to live here in the artic in this fashion.

you honest to God are going to try to denigrate my posting with some tundra bullshit example from the Artic Circle – why not use the (Censored word. I’m a potty mouth) african plains Zulu for your idiotic example while you’re at it …

if you honestly believe some guy from Pittsburgh – can roam around the western PA area during a serious SHTF …. live off his meager carried supplies – supplemented by foraging/hunting while fighting 10,000s of fellow refugees for that resource …. and he won’t be looting or raiding – you got quite the imagination – you need to be on the Obammy biography writing team ….

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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 15, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
I see a lot of truth stated here, but some Bull S**t too. First off, there will be so many die right off the bat. Then you have those that will be killing and looting the cities and towns. After a short time of those type of activities; diseases will start up. So in a very short time, our population will dwindle considerably. People are not given to change that well, so most will stay where they are, resisting that urge to run. We are creatures of habit and most times that will lead to ones death in a SHTF event.

Those that are not stay-put minded or more of the nomadic type are the ones I see as the true survivors. Look around you, who is it that you see daily that are true survivors. They are there and we see them everyday. They don’t hide, they don’t run away. they survive each and every day. Talk with vets that have returned from war torn countries, ask about the people they saw living day after day. Ask them about the type of life style that had in those towns, villages and cities. There is more of your true survivors. There are some of those here in America. Fine them and talk with them. You will be surprised at what you will learn. Wither its the sands of Afghanistan or the jungles of Viet-Nam, the survival of those who made it are all the same, not much different. The single most outstanding thing I found in all of it was this: their mindset. If you don’t have the right mindset, you will most likely die. And some people wonder why some of our boys come home with there heads not on straight, its not that, they see and it scares the hell out of them. Because we are not ready, and its coming.

The thing with he some not having the money to buy some land, is so right, when the economy took a dump, and many lost their jobs and now have to choice between going to the doctor or cutting back on their meals. Unless you’ve been there you don’t know crap, but continue to spit forth your stupidity, because you don’t know what you’re talking about. All those who think because they are this or that way, know and think that everyone has a means, I call BS on that. But they keep opening their mouths and telling everyone just how ignorant they truly are. I feel for them, because they will be some of the first that will do something stupid and die.

unless “nomadic” is code for raider scum – I don’t see how anyone without a plan for self sufficiency and stocked supplies for backup is going to survive ….. if you have Jeremiah Johnson dreams please will your bear gun to me before you starve to death ….

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A.N.T.S. • Re: BOL vs Camping or Base

July 15, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Blondie wrote:

NJMike wrote:Just a thought, but if someone is camping and not at their own ground either BOL or Buggin In, then they are on someone else’s property, right? That would be a negative to consider.

Valid point. If you’re staying on someone else’s private property such as a good friend or relative you may not have as many concerns but there can be issues. You need to consider packing up and getting out quickly and moving on if necessary.

Up here, US forrests and state parks are plentiful and well within bug out distance. While I don’t expect they would be manned in a long term situation you may be asked to leave.

The biggest issue up here are winter temps. People have frozen to death in their tents and even a travel trailer is no match for extreme conditions.

everyone’s 3rd cousin will be heading to the campgrounds/resorts they are familiar with – the national and state parks will be nothing but giant squatter camps …. without the means for self sufficiency its only a matter of time …. without any recognized community it’ll soon be open warfare between the haves and have nots … you show up with supplies and an all weather RV – the plastic tarp squatters will be on you like wolves ….

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Doing Number 2

July 14, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

winter or summer? …. you aren’t doing a pit toilet in the dead of winter up North without a whole lot of effort …

a determined short time SHTF I’d just do the bag thing – and just find a place to sanitary stash ….

long term I’d improvise an outside john – try to snag a port-a-john vs building one – wintertime use the existing sewer system out on the street – most probably turn it into neighborhood block thing – summertime dig a pit and still use the port-a-john – just keep it semi private vs community

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Doing Number 2

July 14, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

winter or summer? …. you aren’t doing a pit toilet in the dead of winter up North without a whole lot of effort …

a determined short time SHTF I’d just do the bag thing – and just find a place to sanitary stash ….

long term I’d improvise an outside john – try to snag a port-a-john vs building one – wintertime use the existing sewer system out on the street – most probably turn it into neighborhood block thing – summertime dig a pit and still use the port-a-john – just keep it semi private vs community

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Doing Number 2

July 14, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

winter or summer? …. you aren’t doing a pit toilet in the dead of winter up North without a whole lot of effort …

a determined short time SHTF I’d just do the bag thing – and just find a place to sanitary stash ….

long term I’d improvise an outside john – try to snag a port-a-john vs building one – wintertime use the existing sewer system out on the street – most probably turn it into neighborhood block thing – summertime dig a pit and still use the port-a-john – just keep it semi private vs community

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Support • Re: S … L … O … W Site! Very. Very. Slow. Loading!

July 4, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
ajax727 wrote:
It is everywhere not just here . Been going on now for four days that i know of .
Massive cyber attack be careful going online or doing searches , it may look real but it might not be the true sight you are looking for .

I didn’t experience any hacking on any of the other prepper sites – specifically asked for any reports – APN seems to have been targeted …. the SurvivalBoards and Rawles SurvivalBlog used to get attacked almost every major holiday ….

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Selco Returns – Q & A on Surviving an Urban War SHTF

July 2, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

if not already familiar with Selco ……..

“My name is Selco and I am from the Balkan region, and as some of you may know it was hell here from 92-95, anyway, for 1 whole year I lived and survived in a city WITHOUT: electricity, fuel, running water, real food distribution, or distribution of any goods, or any kind of organized law or government.

The city was surrounded for 1 year and in that city actually it was SHTF situation. We were all thrown into this and our allies were our enemies from one day to the next. Today I’m prepared but I learned a lot going through this hard time”.

here’s Part One of the Q & A posting from Selco’s Blog ….

http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go& … Part%20One)%20%3F%20SHTF%20School

if you’d like to ask Selco your own ??? questions ??? – here’s the link

http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go& … F%20School

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General Family Preparedness • Prepper Quote of the Day

July 1, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

it’s self promotion on SurvivalBlog – but Rawlws quote is succinct and sums up the overall belief of the serious prepper and why we do – what we do ….

“Civilization is just a thin veneer. In the absence of law and order, men quickly revert to savagery. As was illustrated by the rioting and looting that accompanied disasters in the past three decades, the transition from tranquility to absolute barbarism can occur overnight. People expect tomorrow to be just like today, and they act accordingly. But then comes a unpredictable disaster that catches the vast majority unprepared. The average American family has four days worth of food on hand. When that food is gone, we’ll soon see the thin veneer stripped away.”- James Wesley Rawles

https://survivalblog.com/editors-quote-day-53/

got one of your own or have another quote that plows the road for you – add it to the pile

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General Family Preparedness • Prepper Quote of the Day

July 1, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

it’s self promotion on SurvivalBlog – but Rawlws quote is succinct and sums up the overall belief of the serious prepper and why we do – what we do ….

“Civilization is just a thin veneer. In the absence of law and order, men quickly revert to savagery. As was illustrated by the rioting and looting that accompanied disasters in the past three decades, the transition from tranquility to absolute barbarism can occur overnight. People expect tomorrow to be just like today, and they act accordingly. But then comes a unpredictable disaster that catches the vast majority unprepared. The average American family has four days worth of food on hand. When that food is gone, we’ll soon see the thin veneer stripped away.”- James Wesley Rawles

https://survivalblog.com/editors-quote-day-53/

got one of your own or have another quote that plows the road for you – add it to the pile

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Liberals Coup-De-Tat

June 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0

the military can barely stomach a legit elected liberal gooberment – they certainly as hell won’t back some BS formed one ….

if a coup would ever be at all possible – it would be because a radical like Obammy took it tooooo far and threatened the security of the country ….

you honest to God think that something like this Russia crap would stand up to a Chief of Staff scrutiny for backing a Trump impeachment – they aren’t stupid …

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Cooking in a Grid Down Event

June 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
Thanks for all the comments; they were great. But how long do you think Propane gas will be around in a grid down event? and the sterno cans, how easy will it be to get a fresh supply of those? A few people may have a stock pile of these, but most people want or don’t. After a year or maybe two, will we still be able to find stuff like this? And if you have to leave your home or home stead, will you make room in your pack for a sterno can or two? Now; if everybody was able to stay put in their locations, that would be great, but you know as well as I do, that these big cities will start empting out their people, and it will be like ants from an ant hill, searching for food and water along with anything else they see and will try to take. I feel for those of us who are tied to a house in a neighborhood, unless I’ve created a group to fend off invaders untill we are forced to leave.

And for those who haven’t thought of the Propane or Sterno, they will be looking to find ways to cook with out giving away their position. Now; their having to making booby traps out of Bic lighters. Those little lighter are equal to 3 sticks of dynamite. Makes a big noise.

in regard to propane – the portable sized stuff will disappear FAssst … the retail stores will sell out of the 1lb bottles like nothing flat – two very wise customers and it’s gone … that’s why an investment in a hose/adapter for BBQ propane tanks is a smart move ….

once the sheeple realize the scope of the SHTF – the cages of exchange tanks at the retail stores will be empty – BBQ grill owners will be looking for grid down alternatives … I have a sizable propane stockpile but still have it on my “last minute” list – keep a half dozen tanks around for the probability …. pays to have several of the tank re-fill locations on your plan’s plotted maps – many are landscaping/garden center type location – very low priority looter & hoard shopper locations – look around for fertilizer, seeds, tools, pool shock ect ect while the tanks are filled ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:50 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Cooking in a Grid Down Event

June 29, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
Thanks for all the comments; they were great. But how long do you think Propane gas will be around in a grid down event? and the sterno cans, how easy will it be to get a fresh supply of those? A few people may have a stock pile of these, but most people want or don’t. After a year or maybe two, will we still be able to find stuff like this? And if you have to leave your home or home stead, will you make room in your pack for a sterno can or two? Now; if everybody was able to stay put in their locations, that would be great, but you know as well as I do, that these big cities will start empting out their people, and it will be like ants from an ant hill, searching for food and water along with anything else they see and will try to take. I feel for those of us who are tied to a house in a neighborhood, unless I’ve created a group to fend off invaders untill we are forced to leave.

And for those who haven’t thought of the Propane or Sterno, they will be looking to find ways to cook with out giving away their position. Now; their having to making booby traps out of Bic lighters. Those little lighter are equal to 3 sticks of dynamite. Makes a big noise.

in regard to propane – the portable sized stuff will disappear FAssst … the retail stores will sell out of the 1lb bottles like nothing flat – two very wise customers and it’s gone … that’s why an investment in a hose/adapter for BBQ propane tanks is a smart move ….

once the sheeple realize the scope of the SHTF – the cages of exchange tanks at the retail stores will be empty – BBQ grill owners will be looking for grid down alternatives … I have a sizable propane stockpile but still have it on my “last minute” list – keep a half dozen tanks around for the probability …. pays to have several of the tank re-fill locations on your plan’s plotted maps – many are landscaping/garden center type location – very low priority looter & hoard shopper locations – look around for fertilizer, seeds, tools, pool shock ect ect while the tanks are filled ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:50 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 28, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
sageprice wrote:

Cadit wrote:I think some have missed the whole point, don’t go putting up security fences, or covering front, back and sides with flood lights that looks like a runway. Just be like everyone else on your street and community. Don’t go making yourself a target. The pandemic signage is a deterrent just like a large dog. But you are right to a degree, if you put out a sign on a plague, that’s too soon for that have happened, and was not part of a known health issues. You would stand out big time.

Nothing was said or implied to disguising your home, just don’t go dumb-ass crazy putting in all kinds of security that is visible, that would draw undue attention to you and your family, putting you in the spot light.

Totally agree, you can have a GRAY house by not advertising. Better a rose hedge than a blank wall. Better ducks than a roaming dogs. Better noise sensors than motion sensors. Better a delayed grass cutting than a manicured lawn. Blend in and slightly below the norm. Do not stand out.

the exception to the rule is window barricading – rioting and revenge type arson is likely to be associated with a SHTF that includes wholesale looting – if the neighbors bug out or don’t have the resources to barricade – don’t let your barricading exception stop you …. better to keep the arsonist from an eazy hit thru your front windows than the “grey factor” …

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:33 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 28, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
sageprice wrote:

Cadit wrote:I think some have missed the whole point, don’t go putting up security fences, or covering front, back and sides with flood lights that looks like a runway. Just be like everyone else on your street and community. Don’t go making yourself a target. The pandemic signage is a deterrent just like a large dog. But you are right to a degree, if you put out a sign on a plague, that’s too soon for that have happened, and was not part of a known health issues. You would stand out big time.

Nothing was said or implied to disguising your home, just don’t go dumb-ass crazy putting in all kinds of security that is visible, that would draw undue attention to you and your family, putting you in the spot light.

Totally agree, you can have a GRAY house by not advertising. Better a rose hedge than a blank wall. Better ducks than a roaming dogs. Better noise sensors than motion sensors. Better a delayed grass cutting than a manicured lawn. Blend in and slightly below the norm. Do not stand out.

the exception to the rule is window barricading – rioting and revenge type arson is likely to be associated with a SHTF that includes wholesale looting – if the neighbors bug out or don’t have the resources to barricade – don’t let your barricading exception stop you …. better to keep the arsonist from an eazy hit thru your front windows than the “grey factor” …

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Wed Jun 28, 2017 11:33 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: radiological prep ?

June 25, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
risky buisness wrote:
Per decon: As our sheltering space is in a large room in a garage, were fairly lucky to have a large enough area to do decon. Covered area before rear door, easily plastic sheeted, concrete walk way for runoff from gravity flow tank and hose set up in the interior for gross decon, with 2x2s and a staple gun the interior is then sheeted and isolated from the initial area in all actuality if you read up on haz-mat decon you will be able to set your area up very well for radiation fall out decon, also the same principals work very well for any biohazard incident where your protective garments may have some exposure to pathogens, identically, any chemical issues may also be addressed with a similar set up, a small wading pool, plastic sheeting duct tape, perhaps a chemical decontaminant solution in a portable garden sprayer, or water for initial use, even as one other poster suggested, a good brushing may suffice, the only really tough part for me was trying to find a method to calculate decay rates from readings taken with my insturments.

I’d take the washoff and drainage more serious – a shower base with an attached drainhose leading to a street drain or a gopher hole is a critical element to maintaining health & safety …. also an OPSEC necessity – something like a well thought out prep is a telltale to the raider people looking for successful survivors ….

I’d also consider a preliminary decon foot dip before entering the property during a pandemic SHTF – just a few inches of sanitary solution in a plastic tote – a long handle brush …. hit the boots part way up and give the gloved hands their first taste ….

your decon sprayer will also be doing double duty on any corpse removal from your perimeter … add a bit of pesticide for any fleas or cooties – spray down the body and the surrounding area before dragging the body off ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:53 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: radiological prep ?

June 25, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
risky buisness wrote:
Per decon: As our sheltering space is in a large room in a garage, were fairly lucky to have a large enough area to do decon. Covered area before rear door, easily plastic sheeted, concrete walk way for runoff from gravity flow tank and hose set up in the interior for gross decon, with 2x2s and a staple gun the interior is then sheeted and isolated from the initial area in all actuality if you read up on haz-mat decon you will be able to set your area up very well for radiation fall out decon, also the same principals work very well for any biohazard incident where your protective garments may have some exposure to pathogens, identically, any chemical issues may also be addressed with a similar set up, a small wading pool, plastic sheeting duct tape, perhaps a chemical decontaminant solution in a portable garden sprayer, or water for initial use, even as one other poster suggested, a good brushing may suffice, the only really tough part for me was trying to find a method to calculate decay rates from readings taken with my insturments.

I’d take the washoff and drainage more serious – a shower base with an attached drainhose leading to a street drain or a gopher hole is a critical element to maintaining health & safety …. also an OPSEC necessity – something like a well thought out prep is a telltale to the raider people looking for successful survivors ….

I’d also consider a preliminary decon foot dip before entering the property during a pandemic SHTF – just a few inches of sanitary solution in a plastic tote – a long handle brush …. hit the boots part way up and give the gloved hands their first taste ….

your decon sprayer will also be doing double duty on any corpse removal from your perimeter … add a bit of pesticide for any fleas or cooties – spray down the body and the surrounding area before dragging the body off ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:53 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: radiological prep ?

June 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
3ADScout wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:
subject not covered too often is a decontamination set-up …

In a nuclear war situation the best situation would be if you had to go out to wear protective gear head to toe. The strip down once you come back to your shelter. A decon line requires some room. I would suggest having tarps down. If you go caught outside before you could get any type of protective gear on, strip down (be very careful not to breath in while pulling clothes over your head (should wear at the very least an N95 mask. Have a whisk broom to sweep off any contaminants and either a lint roller or roll of duck tape. This is an easy way to pick up radioactive contaminates off the skin. If you have long hair that will be an issues and will probably require a water decon which will use precious water and will have to be contained until it can be dumped.

having a decon set up double up for pandemic SHTFs requires a washdown – proper containment of the washoff and disposal …. strait up fallout decon isn’t that complicated unless you involve yourself in contaminated unprotected individuals …

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:36 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: radiological prep ?

June 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
3ADScout wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:
subject not covered too often is a decontamination set-up …

In a nuclear war situation the best situation would be if you had to go out to wear protective gear head to toe. The strip down once you come back to your shelter. A decon line requires some room. I would suggest having tarps down. If you go caught outside before you could get any type of protective gear on, strip down (be very careful not to breath in while pulling clothes over your head (should wear at the very least an N95 mask. Have a whisk broom to sweep off any contaminants and either a lint roller or roll of duck tape. This is an easy way to pick up radioactive contaminates off the skin. If you have long hair that will be an issues and will probably require a water decon which will use precious water and will have to be contained until it can be dumped.

having a decon set up double up for pandemic SHTFs requires a washdown – proper containment of the washoff and disposal …. strait up fallout decon isn’t that complicated unless you involve yourself in contaminated unprotected individuals …

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:36 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: radiological prep ?

June 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
dmwalsh568 wrote:
For budget conscious folks who don’t want to build their own Kearney meters check out eBay. I’ve gotten a good selection of civil defense meters, dosimeters and chargers on the cheap. I then splurged on getting some of that gear calibrated by ki4u. As my budget permits I’ll get the rest calibrated, but if an event happens before then I can use the calibrated gear to see if the uncalibrated gear is close enough.
I also keep the gear in some faraday cages (galvanized trash cans sealed with aluminum tape) so they should survive an emp. I figure I’m most likely to need the gear after an emp when the nuclear power plants start having issues en masse.

I wouldn’t be recommending the old gooberment CD rad gear from the 1960s – unless it’s almost free – and I’ve never seen that situation on the open civilian market … the new detectors aren’t that expensive on the bottom end, calibrated, more dependable & durable too boot …

subject not covered too often is a decontamination set-up … it doubles up for pandemic SHTFs …. your group is going to have to gear up and go out into the hostile environment on necessary missions – security if nothing else ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:45 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: radiological prep ?

June 24, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
dmwalsh568 wrote:
For budget conscious folks who don’t want to build their own Kearney meters check out eBay. I’ve gotten a good selection of civil defense meters, dosimeters and chargers on the cheap. I then splurged on getting some of that gear calibrated by ki4u. As my budget permits I’ll get the rest calibrated, but if an event happens before then I can use the calibrated gear to see if the uncalibrated gear is close enough.
I also keep the gear in some faraday cages (galvanized trash cans sealed with aluminum tape) so they should survive an emp. I figure I’m most likely to need the gear after an emp when the nuclear power plants start having issues en masse.

I wouldn’t be recommending the old gooberment CD rad gear from the 1960s – unless it’s almost free – and I’ve never seen that situation on the open civilian market … the new detectors aren’t that expensive on the bottom end, calibrated, more dependable & durable too boot …

subject not covered too often is a decontamination set-up … it doubles up for pandemic SHTFs …. your group is going to have to gear up and go out into the hostile environment on necessary missions – security if nothing else ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:45 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Cooking in a Grid Down Event

June 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
Thanks for the post, some good Ideas, masking the smell and diverting them. I think the masking may be more versatile. Could be used anywhere, and I think old tires and such will be in good supply. So; even moving around, you can still use them. What other items could someone use to mask the smell of a cook fire and food?

This has gotten me to wondering now. Using tire rubber ever time can also alert someone who notices that the smell happens a couple times a day and moves around? But still a very good idea that I hadn’t thought of. But all in all; very good post from the both of you.

My uncle had a still in his basement and did pretty much as you said Illini Warrior, He ran his piping out to a pine tree, but the fumes killed it. Only dead Pine out there.LOL

masking smells is one thing – sending up a black smug pot signal with tire tread material is another – don’t think you’ll be wanting that attention no matter what the situation would be ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:25 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Cooking in a Grid Down Event

June 20, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
Cadit wrote:
Thanks for the post, some good Ideas, masking the smell and diverting them. I think the masking may be more versatile. Could be used anywhere, and I think old tires and such will be in good supply. So; even moving around, you can still use them. What other items could someone use to mask the smell of a cook fire and food?

This has gotten me to wondering now. Using tire rubber ever time can also alert someone who notices that the smell happens a couple times a day and moves around? But still a very good idea that I hadn’t thought of. But all in all; very good post from the both of you.

My uncle had a still in his basement and did pretty much as you said Illini Warrior, He ran his piping out to a pine tree, but the fumes killed it. Only dead Pine out there.LOL

masking smells is one thing – sending up a black smug pot signal with tire tread material is another – don’t think you’ll be wanting that attention no matter what the situation would be ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:25 am