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General Food Topics • Re: Wacky LDS calculator or am I missing something?

February 17, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

Murby wrote:I was checking out the provident living calculator to see what they had to say about food storage..
https://providentliving.com/preparednes … /foodcalc/

Typed in 52 weeks for 3 adults and got some crazy numbers..

Can someone take a look?
1200 lbs grain
180 lbs legumes
90 lbs dairy
180 lbs of sugar :?
18 lbs salt (that one I get)
90 lbs of fats

1200 lbs of grain? WHAT?? That works out to just over a pound of grain per person per day..

???? … 1200lbs = 23lb per week = 7.6lbs per person per week = roughly 1lb per day

That’s about 1,500 calories. Plus sugar is for making it all taste better.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions

February 17, 2017 Gunns 0
ajax727 wrote:
Korea has had a lot of help building nukes that work correctly and a way to deliver them . There underground test could have been buffered to reduce the shockwave and give a smaller reading as to the size of the nuke .With what they have on hand they could explode one over us and shut us down . Also if they set one off in the hemisphere as an attack on other satellite well there goes the eyes and ears of most of the superpowers .
I do try to be prepared for the little what if stuff that I know could and has happen but things I have not control over all I can do is prepare as best as I can .
Not worried about Korea if the dip jumps he will be wiped out in just a few hours . I might be wrong but just one sub has enough fire power to level his country and leave holes were the bunkers are .

How do you buffer a nuke?

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Economic Disasters • Re: So for investors who hold physical gold and silver, 2017

February 16, 2017 Gunns 0
sageprice wrote:

rickdun wrote:I’m not disagreeing with you CI, but what if you happen to get shot going into those abandon homes, stores. What if all your supplies are diminshed or die off or stolen and you have nothing for trade but PM’s. As far as change, to get a meal for me and family or get medical attention, etc., when I have nothing else to trade but PM’s, I’m not going to ask for change, I’m going to eat, get some medical supplies, ammo, etc., I’m not going to worry about change, it’s a tip for the ones that I get it from.

We have enough food, supplies, medical supplies, anti-biotics, clothing, coal, firewood, ammo, guns, seeds, chickens, cattle, etc. to last years, but I also have PM’s when it’s all gone or stolen. I may be wrong, but I’m trying to cover all bases.

If after a year and 90% of the population is dead (I’ve heard as high as 99%), then I’ll be one lonely rich guy, if I survive.

If they steal your supply, what to stop them from stealing your PMs or your life?
Gold and silver only have value if you can trade it. If the dollar fails then one gold coin is worth one gold coin. You are not protecting your future you are deluding your self. The value of PM is dependent on what value society place on it. 90% die off, no law, no paper money, very few people to trade with, and they are willing to kill you first. In a massive SHTF event, the three necessities come first. You can talk about getting shot looting, but ten years out when people finally come out from hiding people will trade for things that are not useless to survive with. A good ax, salt, ammo, fresh eggs and sewing needles. Gold will take up to a hundred years to regain its value. In reality gold and silver are only as good as the monetary system. No monetary no value.

I disagree. With 20,000 years of history gold has remained the currency of kings and will remain so.

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Economic Disasters • Re: So for investors who hold physical gold and silver, 2017

February 16, 2017 Gunns 0
Cast Iron wrote:

Gunns wrote:Its not about the allure. Its about those people that have a life times of savings to protect. You can only buy so much prepper stuff. Bullets fail, rifles rust, food goes bad, water gets old and medicines age. But PM’s will always maintain there worth.

I see your point.

However, until things normalize enough after SHTF, where the survivors do not have to worry about where their next meal is coming from, I am charging five one oz gold coins for a dozen eggs.

That is kind of funny. But in reality if you did that you wouldn’t last long. In SHTF you still need to watch your back and by screwing people over you would most likely be all finished after SHTF. They will remember.

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Check In Here Connecticut Preppers • Re: EMP scenerio in CT

February 15, 2017 Gunns 0
Rod wrote:
I remember that thread about the safety of the stored fuel rods. What happen at Fukushima was the emergency pumps were disabled by the wave. So I asked what would happen if our emergency pumps were disabled by the EMP or some other thing. I think the gist was that it couldn’t happen here and something about we use gravity for that cooling. I have heard that line a lot from many smart people so I have to figure the magnitude of such a disaster would simply be 10 times worse if those pumps do not run well enough and long enough to cool that spent reactor fuel, for what ever reason. It’s not the reactor but the stored hot fuel that is the danger.

Yes I have also heard the nuclear disaster in Japan has become much worse in the last month. I have to wonder how much the Pacific Ocean can take before it becomes a giant pool of death.

Oh yea I also remember many people saying the whole thing was a waste of time to talk about because there wasn’t anything that could be done.

From previous posts from someone in the industry is that all of our nuclear reactors were hardened against EMP/CME. All backup generators are in positions safe from flooding too.

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Introduce Yourself • Re: 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 13, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:I had a red squirrel determined to gnaw through a five gallon bucket lid to get to the bird seed in there. I found it in time, but he sure did wreck that lid.

Later, I wrecked him with a hollow point pellet to the head.

most people don’t realize that these rodent types are capable of some almost supercreature behavior … had to give the bad word to a guy on another prepper site – he cut open a IBC tote and made it into a dry foods storage bin – thinking it was rodent proof – they can chew thru light sheetmetal and concrete if necessary – heavy plastic is just teasing them …

Squirrels are Super Smart Devils. They can figure out just about anything thrown at them.

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Urban/Suburban Survival • Re: Traveling the railroads

February 10, 2017 Gunns 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:

donba wrote:Out here in the west there are lots of tunnels. Mite be a good place to over nite……..

Just keep an eye out for the light at the end of the tunnel, because…………….
Reb

Zombies like tunnels.

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Economic Disasters • Re: Interesting article on the next few years!

February 10, 2017 Gunns 0
sageprice wrote:
Just to put some ideas in your head;
1. How long will you hold Gold and silver before you can trade it in for the NEW economy.
2. What value will a barter marketer place on your PM when he knows you are hungry and he has no place to cash it in.
3. Will your PM’s gain or lose its value compared a loaf of bread or a dozen eggs. During a depression it gained during an inflation it lost.

Good questions. You could buy a gallon of gas with the same amount of silver since 1909. Same suit of cloths with a gold coin. Same with a car. The Model T was about $825 dollars and gold was about $20.

Its about protecting what you have in most cases. Diversify.

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Home School • Re: Home school Pros Vs. Cons…The dumbing down of our chil

February 10, 2017 Gunns 0

My sister home schooled all three of her kids. Two of them went on to college but had to take 3 years of classes just to catch up. They both were in college for over 6 years.

So home school isn’t all that unless you can teach everything that a public school or charter school can teach. As far a public schools now days it shouldn’t be all that tough to out do them.

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Check In Here Connecticut Preppers • Re: EMP scenerio in CT

February 10, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:
the country is nuked one end to the other.

That wasn’t the jest of the post. If we are nuked from one end to the other then EMP is the least of our worries.

An EMP or CME are very likely events. I am willing to bet there are still some cold war satellites up there primed for that job.

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Check In Here Connecticut Preppers • Re: EMP scenerio in CT

February 9, 2017 Gunns 0

There is another thread on here about the nuclear reactors. We have a member that works in the field. The reactors have their collective crap together and we have been assured that they will go into safe mode and not blow their tops.

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Economic Disasters • Re: Interesting article on the next few years!

February 9, 2017 Gunns 0
KazKaz wrote:
I’m sorry for being the negative one here, but.. after reading the entire article, I closed the page thinking I had just read a clever sales pitch from somebody in a position to benefit greatly by pushing propaganda while tapping into the current pulse of the election to garner confidence from those who would be paying the 20% commission and 5% annual maintenance fees into his personal savings account.
There is no question that the national debt is an anchor that we, as a country, must find a way to break free of.
But, the 1800’s are gone. We can’t tie our horses off to the watering post out in front of the general store and trade gold nuggets for groceries.
$Trillions of dollars in debt? To who? Who does the nation owe that money to? Itself.
The problem with that is.. nobody is making any sacrifices to right that wrong, and balance the checkbook.
Nobody dares to audit the expenditures of the government to identify the problem.
Instead, just print more monopoly money.
That is no solution.
If we all emptied our bank accounts, sold our investments, and liquidated our assets, the banks would only have enough paper money to give us perhaps 2cents for every dollar. If even that.
But, because we can walk up to any ATM, push a couple keys, and be holding $100 in a matter of seconds, that provides the illusion of financial security.
That’s all it is. An illusion.
Gold may very well be civilizations next global currency.
But, not until recovering — AFTER the collapse of the current world economy.
This linked article is putting the author of it in a better position to survive the ongoing economic meltdown.
At the expense of anybody who believes the illusion.
Personally, instead of buying gold, I will put a couple hundred pounds of food in the storage shed.
Why?
Gold has ZERO nutritional value.

I sort of agree with you. So now you ate all that food and your gardens failed due to weather and you’re standing there with nothing of value to get some food from others. They ask you “have any silver or gold” and you say NO but I have this tractor that still runs and they say, can’t fit that tractor in my pocket.

The truth of it is that gold and silver will always be the currency of choice, even in, during and after a disaster.

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Personal Safety and Home Security • Re: Saying no to unprepared families

February 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

apache235 wrote:Staying in town is an invitation to disaster. At some point someone will notice that you aren’t starving and they will come. They will come when you least expect it or when you do or both. They will come and they will prevail. Tornado, EQ, storm, whatever, sure help out. Grid down, get as far away from people as you can to a secure location that you have stocked with the necessities to keep you and yours alive for the duration – which may be years. Saying NO is easy if there is no one to say no to.

and when raiders start attacking isolated farm places that’ll make you safe how? …. or will you be another Jeremiah Johnson fighting off the Indians one by one …

I don’t sign up to your Mad Max scenario. Most of the violence will happen in the cities. City folk coming to the country to sack it will be dealt with pretty quickly. The City folk would have to be an Army to be effective.

If we are fighting everywhere all the time, its hopeless might as well swallow a bullet.

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Books • Re: One second after

February 8, 2017 Gunns 0
LetsPrep11 wrote:
Must have been a very short sale! One Year After is now $9.99. Ridiculous price for an e-book! I won’t pay more than $5.99 and that’s only happened once or twice.

Read Alas Babylon after I came back from SE Asia in the early 70’s. It scared me so bad that I’ve kept a well stocked pantry ever since. A year or so ago, kindle offered the book for free or $.99 and I bought. I spent decades trying to remember the name of that book, cause I thought others should read it, and now I’ll never forget it. :lol:

Save your money.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: LDS food supplies

February 8, 2017 Gunns 0
JC1 wrote:

Mountain mama wrote:

idahobeef wrote:My family is Mormon and has used this stuff for years, sadly much of it you would ONLY want to eat when you were starving. I honestly consider their stuff not edible, but we do have alot of it since its cheap and lasts a long time. Just an honest opinion from someone who’s had to live on it while growing up.

Thanks for that input. That is nice to know!

I have to disagree. I grew up on it too and I use it all the time.

Me too. You need to amend it too. Without salt, pepper, honey and other spices nothing tastes good.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Newly Imposed Immigration Ban

February 3, 2017 Gunns 0

Crap all.

Its all according to plan. What don’t you get? The peaceful protesters are supporting the riots. They are just as guilty as the masked thugs. They know who they are and call for assistance. The peaceful protesters are just too scared to put the mask on. Come on, wake up!

This is the plan that Soros and rest came up with when Killary lost. Bottom Up Top Down all according to Van Jones philosophy of insurrection and sedition.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Newly Imposed Immigration Ban

February 3, 2017 Gunns 0

Crap all.

Its all according to plan. What don’t you get? The peaceful protesters are supporting the riots. They are just as guilty as the masked thugs. They know who they are and call for assistance. The peaceful protesters are just too scared to put the mask on. Come on, wake up!

This is the plan that Soros and rest came up with when Killary lost. Bottom Up Top Down all according to Van Jones philosophy of insurrection and sedition.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: Newly Imposed Immigration Ban

January 30, 2017 Gunns 0

What surprises me is how people don’t know what is really happening.

The protests are all planned. Every single one and not spontaneous or grass roots. Financed by billionaires and millionaires and the sore losers on the left. This is a planned coup, sedition in its very definition.

“George Soros and other rich liberals who spent tens of millions of dollars trying to elect Hillary Clinton are gathering in Washington for a three-day, closed door meeting to retool the big-money left to fight back against Donald Trump.

The conference, which kicked off Sunday night at Washington’s pricey Mandarin Oriental hotel, is sponsored by the influential Democracy Alliance donor club, and will include appearances by leaders of most leading unions and liberal groups, as well as darlings of the left such as House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Congressional Progressive Caucus co-chairman Keith Ellison, according to an agenda and other documents obtained by POLITICO.”

I also found this on Fox and several other news sites. Not on CNN or MSNBC of course.

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Economic Disasters • Re: Ron Paul says economic collapse will still happen

January 27, 2017 Gunns 0
sageprice wrote:
This why you prep it doesn’t matter what kind of SHTF event happens if you are prepped for it. LIVE the Style and walk the prepper walk. Forget the TALK it’s all hot air from either end.

Well there are two or three scenarios I am not prepped for. Nuclear, Chemical, Biological.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The American Dream

January 27, 2017 Gunns 0

I agree. Its alive and well, but it is very elusive today. Its hard for those just starting out, no real good entry level jobs, or at least not enough of them.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: What’s ahead for 2017

January 27, 2017 Gunns 0
donba wrote:
I recently took a ride in an ambulance, had I known I would have had my wife drive me the 6 blocks. Over $1,200.00 to go 6 blocks. I almost went back in the Hospital when we got the bill. Doctors would come into my room, look at my chart ask me how I was feeling and leave. Their bill $ 1,300. or $1,400.for less than a 5 minuet visit. The insurance paid it, they have no shame……..

That’s really not that expensive considering. My brother owned the Ambulance service in my home town and there are high overheads. The buildings, the wages, the expense of cleaning up after a trip even if there are no fluids, they need to sterilize. Also the state charges for every thing used in the Ambulance. You get on the gurney, state gets a cut, you get o2, state gets a cut, you use a band aid the state gets a cut and so on. Not to mention my brothers insurance. Costs him hundreds of dollars per trip. You would be surprised how many he saved then they sued him because of the pain they had when they crashed. Ridiculous.

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Guns • Re: LaserLyte?

January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
Cast Iron wrote:

Gunns wrote:

JC1 wrote:I got an ITarget for Christmas and love it. I can’t wait to see if it’ll help improve my shooting with live rounds. If nothing else it’s great entertainment (specially when the closest range is outdoor with 3 feet of snow.) :gunshooting:

Well I set up my itarget. The laser shoots high, I mean like 7 inches high. It is misaligned big time. Have to send it back. Dang.

Oh by the way, my shot groups in real life are just a bit low and left of center.

Could you post the link to their website?

I keep getting Target, like the retail store.

https://www.itargetpro.com/

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General Family Preparedness • Re: I saw that Trump’s Cabinet’ net worth is = to a third of

January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
RayMac1963 wrote:

Gunns wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:Its the chicken and the egg Gunns. You work to “get” stuff, has turned into, you work to pay for the stuff you got. You’re now a slave to the property you think you own, but who is the master and who owns who? The only way to win is not to play.

Say what? I am slave to nothing and no one. I own my homestead. Not to play is to be the fool.

No Guns! i mean you DIDN”T play the consumer game, so you’re not a slave. Hence you retired and are scott free. You won.

Vocal inflection is completely lost on the internet.

I wasn’t upset. Was hoping I misunderstood, that is why I said Say What? We are good.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Libs Catch the Prepping Bug

January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Wonder what will happen at that Indian reservation when Trump pushes that pipeline through their reservation? Will he start killing them to get it done, can’t see how he is going to do it otherwise. It’s just going to take some off the wall thing like that to light the powder keg. But then he will say that we didn’t really see it, alternative facts you know.

If he would get off that damn twitter account things might not be so bad.

This is getting old PS. The pipeline is NOT going through any Indian reservation and is miles south of the reservation. Your facts are lies. Plus if you had done any research at all you would see the organizers of the protests are taking marching orders from Warren Buffet. Buffet makes Billions per year transporting that oil over his trains and he would lose all that. So its all about the money and you are all about the hate.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: I saw that Trump’s Cabinet’ net worth is = to a third of

January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
RayMac1963 wrote:
Its the chicken and the egg Gunns. You work to “get” stuff, has turned into, you work to pay for the stuff you got. You’re now a slave to the property you think you own, but who is the master and who owns who? The only way to win is not to play.

Say what? I am slave to nothing and no one. I own my homestead. Not to play is to be the fool.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: I saw that Trump’s Cabinet’ net worth is = to a third of

January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
daaswampman wrote:
Read Dave Ramsey’s books! Then get out of debt and pay yourself first, before you know it, you will be a millionaire. Real wealth is not how much you make, but how much you have kept. Swamp

Roger that. The wife and I saved as much as we could, living very frugal. People didn’t like coming to our house because it did not have all the luxury trappings they were accustomed to. Our family and friends had toys, snowmobiles, minibikes, motorcycles, boats, cabins, expensive vacations, etc and they were in debt up to the eyeballs. We had NONE of that.

Now we are debt free and I am 59 1/2 and retired. Well semi retired, the company I last worked for brought me in part time as a contractor, I call my own hours.

So all those family and friends are tinkled I am retired and they need to work into their 70’s and beyond.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich

January 26, 2017 Gunns 0
daaswampman wrote:

RayMac1963 wrote:Money can’t buy happiness, but it sure can fly, drive, otherwise carry you closer to where you can be happy.

So true! I feel so sorry for the throngs of rich people silently suffering. because there is nothing they have to do! One endless day after another – kicking back and doing what they want. Sorry I have to go now, this is really getting to me, sympathy and all that crap! Swamp

I have always said “Money can’t buy you love, but it can get so close you won’t care”.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: A new day, a new leader, a direction less traveled

January 25, 2017 Gunns 0
anita wrote:

Gunns wrote:–snip–
I would also slash Social Security. I would look at the persons personal wealth and if they have the money, stop their SS payments. Tough choice to make but what the heck. I have two brothers that don’t take theirs and those same two could get disability from the Military and do NOT.

–snip–

i have no problem with them means-testing SS, as long as they give me back all the money we put in. They can even keep the interest that they should have collected (but didn’t). Otherwise, it’s just one more redistribution of wealth. We’ve had enough of that.

I wouldn’t look for them to give it back. I am willing to let them keep it if it means a balanced budget and surplus.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: I saw that Trump’s Cabinet’ net worth is = to a third of

January 25, 2017 Gunns 0
RayMac1963 wrote:
I didn’t say the cant live. But in suburban Detroit a 4 bed room house will cost you 225k easy. Add all the darn property tax on that and you end up with a 1500 to 2000k a month mortgage. Add 500 bucks for lights, gas, water. Property and auto Insurance is gonna cost you 200 a month in a low crime suburb. A family of four cost what, 700 a month to feed. A working couple needs 2 cars, and even a rusty bucket will cost you in repairs so throw 400 in (thats 2 200 dollar car notes) plus 150 for gas.

Now that 98k turns into 8k a month before taxes the 2016 tax rates make that 98 into 69,200, thats 5766 a month. Take away those expenses and thats around 1800 dollars. Sounds great, but baby need shoes, kids need lunch money, save for collage, retirement, Christmas, vacation or something, and a host of other BS that life throws at you… Guess what? Thats middle class.

Its living, but it ain’t rich.

Ya I get that. The wife and I used to collect bottles and hand them in for popcorn dinner.

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General Family Preparedness • Re: I saw that Trump’s Cabinet’ net worth is = to a third of

January 25, 2017 Gunns 0
RayMac1963 wrote:

Gunns wrote:
The top 25% pays the majority and that wage is at $98,000. Top 10% which is still a vast majority of taxes is at $200,000.

So the poor really and majority of the middle class don’t contribute that much.

What is considered middle class? A couple both making 45k to 50k each is living, but they ain’t breaking down no bank doors.

They can’t live and save on $98K. I say BS to that. Too many want the latest iPhone, latest Big screen TV, latest four wheel drive, all the trappings of a credit based society. Plus if you noticed I put in the $200K, top 10% paying the lions share.

So no matter how you slice it the middle class is not being over taxed, well any tax is over taxation. What did I just say? Ahhhhh

Statistics: Posted by Gunns — Wed Jan 25, 2017 10:50 am