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Gardening • Re: “Mittleider Method” Anyone doing this?Is it really worth

June 21, 2017 Gunns 0

Yep been doing it now for 2.5 years. NJMike is wrong. With a cost you can store 10 years worth of everything you need for growing food.

Plants only use 16 essential elements for growth. Organic, Sq foot gardening and the rest will always and I mean always be missing something. Organic gardening does not create all the essential elements. Organic gardening is just as expensive but I have seen organic gardeners outspend Mittleider 3 to 1.

Mittleider (MGM) essentially uses the rule of hydroponics and soil to grow in raised beds that are sterile so you don’t have any of the weeding, bugs, diseases associated with organic or sq foot gardening.

I the past several years I have tested Organic, Sq Foot, Vertical Gardening and had nothing but poor results. Some of those results of course was my inexperience. Most however were because these methods do not work well in NE Texas. Now I am sure there will be those that say I am wrong and they will have proof. But I only spend maybe 15 to 30 minutes a day gardening and they spend hour on hour on hour. In SHTF do you want to spend all day tending garden? Nice target I would think. I would rather go out at night, feed and manage the garden.

I guess it really depends on what you are comfortable with and what produces for you. When someone says MGM is not organic I ask, what does Organic mean? Organic gets all its elements from the same planet. NPK, Calcium, etc. Fertilizer we use is NOT from petroleum. Its from natural elements, the same dang thing in organic except it has no harmful microbes, fungus, molds, blights and pests.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #3 (JUNE 2017)

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0
Mollypup wrote:
We’ve no idea who is funding NKs nuclear program. The country is not wealthy. It’s citizens are in really bad shape……… So, has anyone wondered & looked into who could be funding this?

NK funds its own nuclear program. There is no conspiracy here.

1. China buys all sorts of minerals from NK.
2. Overseas slave labor. NK is big time slaver of its people to other nations.
3. Weapons sales. Money from above is transferred to their weapons manufacturing which is done my slave labor. Big money in weapons sales.
4. Drugs. Huge. Biggest provider of Viagra on earth.
5. Cyber-crime. They make hundreds of millions of dollars every year.

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #3 (JUNE 2017)

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0
Mollypup wrote:
We’ve no idea who is funding NKs nuclear program. The country is not wealthy. It’s citizens are in really bad shape……… So, has anyone wondered & looked into who could be funding this?

NK funds its own nuclear program. There is no conspiracy here.

1. China buys all sorts of minerals from NK.
2. Overseas slave labor. NK is big time slaver of its people to other nations.
3. Weapons sales. Money from above is transferred to their weapons manufacturing which is done my slave labor. Big money in weapons sales.
4. Drugs. Huge. Biggest provider of Viagra on earth.
5. Cyber-crime. They make hundreds of millions of dollars every year.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Cooking in a Grid Down Event

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0

Like Reb we converted to LP. Stove vents to the attic.

Plus I have my LP BBQ and plenty of tanks. Plus I have my solar oven. Plus I have my white gas stove. Plus I have my LP camping stove. Plus I have my single burner LP stove. Plus I have my Rocket Stove.

Dang I got lots a stoves.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Cooking in a Grid Down Event

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0

Like Reb we converted to LP. Stove vents to the attic.

Plus I have my LP BBQ and plenty of tanks. Plus I have my solar oven. Plus I have my white gas stove. Plus I have my LP camping stove. Plus I have my single burner LP stove. Plus I have my Rocket Stove.

Dang I got lots a stoves.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bacon Math

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0
handyman777 wrote:
25 pieces-fuel guy
3 pieces-returned to the three guys
2 pieces-handyman “who ripped off” the three guys and probably lost business for his boss.
Adds up to 30 pieces–sounds like the handyman should be banished (fired) or turned into dog food. Just a thought…..

Correct. Thing is the answer Cadit gave of 29 is Liberal math. The other 1 went to the people.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bacon Math

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0
handyman777 wrote:
25 pieces-fuel guy
3 pieces-returned to the three guys
2 pieces-handyman “who ripped off” the three guys and probably lost business for his boss.
Adds up to 30 pieces–sounds like the handyman should be banished (fired) or turned into dog food. Just a thought…..

Correct. Thing is the answer Cadit gave of 29 is Liberal math. The other 1 went to the people.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Russia Threatens U.S. Planes after U.S. shoots down SU-2

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0

Russia doesn’t want a shooting war with the U.S. They would have to go nuclear just to come to a draw. Putin loves himself too much to go nuclear.

A conventional war wouldn’t last all that long. Russia has numbers, but most of that can not be fielded. Just because they have a couple new things and parade them around doesn’t mean they can do much with the rest.

Now a two front war would be more difficult. If China and Russia were to join together that would be tough, but if they did not go nuclear, they too would lose against America. Biggest reason is our Navy would dominate the Pacific and Indian oceans. Our Air Force and Army would take Europe and our allies would not be able to sit it out.

Nope neither wants a war. What they want is another coward in the White House.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Russia Threatens U.S. Planes after U.S. shoots down SU-2

June 20, 2017 Gunns 0

Russia doesn’t want a shooting war with the U.S. They would have to go nuclear just to come to a draw. Putin loves himself too much to go nuclear.

A conventional war wouldn’t last all that long. Russia has numbers, but most of that can not be fielded. Just because they have a couple new things and parade them around doesn’t mean they can do much with the rest.

Now a two front war would be more difficult. If China and Russia were to join together that would be tough, but if they did not go nuclear, they too would lose against America. Biggest reason is our Navy would dominate the Pacific and Indian oceans. Our Air Force and Army would take Europe and our allies would not be able to sit it out.

Nope neither wants a war. What they want is another coward in the White House.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Russia Threatens U.S. Planes after U.S. shoots down SU-2

June 19, 2017 Gunns 0

1 Just because Trump is in office I doubt many stopped prepping. Trump is trying to stop the bleeding but he doesn’t realize we are hemorrhaging.
2 So U.S. shoots down a plane. Big deal. Remember Turkey shot down a Russian plane? Bigger deal, what happened, nothing really.
3 Frog in a pan with cold water over a flame. That is America right now. WW3 started on 9/11 like NJMike said.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Russia Threatens U.S. Planes after U.S. shoots down SU-2

June 19, 2017 Gunns 0

1 Just because Trump is in office I doubt many stopped prepping. Trump is trying to stop the bleeding but he doesn’t realize we are hemorrhaging.
2 So U.S. shoots down a plane. Big deal. Remember Turkey shot down a Russian plane? Bigger deal, what happened, nothing really.
3 Frog in a pan with cold water over a flame. That is America right now. WW3 started on 9/11 like NJMike said.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Shooting of Republicans

June 16, 2017 Gunns 0

We should all be glad he did not practice first. Seems to me after a hundred shots or so there could have been many more that were killed. If he had practiced every day for a couple weeks it would have been a slaughter.

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General Food Topics • Re: Canned Ham shelf life

June 14, 2017 Gunns 0

The only canned meat I have used is Tuna. I had some a couple years past the date and never noticed any difference. Actually I was eating them and did not know they expired.

Les eats 50 year old canned chicken.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/engl … 693520.stm

I remember something about a discovery up north of canned venison over 100 years old. It was tested and found to still be edible.

I also remember my Aunt opening jarred chicken on her farm that was over a decade old. It was great.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Cadit wrote:
That trailer isn’t much different than mine, it has regular rail sides and a liner with a cover to keep things dry. Very lite and easy to pull, I put my weights in it sometimes and pull it loaded with about 70 to 75 pounds. At first it would ware me out, but after a short time, I got use to the extra load.

The big thing is going through the woods after it has rained, Hard going here. Don’t do that much. Had ended up pushing it a couple of times. Tires like those on the beach bikes would work better, but that’s a different type of bike all together. :'(

I don’t think I would even try to go through a woods with a trailer. Most likely burn more energy then if you did several trips with the bike and back pack.

I was thinking more like bugging out early, before the people finally realize they are screwed. Or after all the violence subsides and you need to get around.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Cadit wrote:
That trailer isn’t much different than mine, it has regular rail sides and a liner with a cover to keep things dry. Very lite and easy to pull, I put my weights in it sometimes and pull it loaded with about 70 to 75 pounds. At first it would ware me out, but after a short time, I got use to the extra load.

The big thing is going through the woods after it has rained, Hard going here. Don’t do that much. Had ended up pushing it a couple of times. Tires like those on the beach bikes would work better, but that’s a different type of bike all together. :'(

I don’t think I would even try to go through a woods with a trailer. Most likely burn more energy then if you did several trips with the bike and back pack.

I was thinking more like bugging out early, before the people finally realize they are screwed. Or after all the violence subsides and you need to get around.

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Wanted • Re: wanted prepper family to share ranch in colorado

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE wrote:

Gunns wrote:Nothing wrong with Pot. Only an uninformed person would turn away a medical herb that has been around humans for tens of thousands of years.

Definitely agreeing with Illini on this one…Security risk.

Crime rates have soared in CO all based around the pot industry.

I also agree with you in pot definitely has med benefits…I’ve experienced them firsthand. But I just took the CBD’s WITHOUT the THC so there was no “High”….Cleared my arthritis right up and haven’t taken ANYTHING after the first initial 3 months use for over 2 years now and haven’t had a single flare up…There is ABSOLUTELY a medical benefit. But you don’t need to get high using it.(in most cases)

In this particular case though referenced here, just living there, its like being a prepper with a sign on the highway directing all zombies to your front door for supplies in SHTF.

“Please…rob my family at gunpoint and kill us if it suits your fancy…I’m just a groundskeeper so no one will mind me when were gone.”………No thanks.

See above.

Love how some people think I wrote one thing and I actually wrote something else. That’s how fights start. Reading comprehension is important.

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Wanted • Re: wanted prepper family to share ranch in colorado

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE wrote:

Gunns wrote:Nothing wrong with Pot. Only an uninformed person would turn away a medical herb that has been around humans for tens of thousands of years.

Definitely agreeing with Illini on this one…Security risk.

Crime rates have soared in CO all based around the pot industry.

I also agree with you in pot definitely has med benefits…I’ve experienced them firsthand. But I just took the CBD’s WITHOUT the THC so there was no “High”….Cleared my arthritis right up and haven’t taken ANYTHING after the first initial 3 months use for over 2 years now and haven’t had a single flare up…There is ABSOLUTELY a medical benefit. But you don’t need to get high using it.(in most cases)

In this particular case though referenced here, just living there, its like being a prepper with a sign on the highway directing all zombies to your front door for supplies in SHTF.

“Please…rob my family at gunpoint and kill us if it suits your fancy…I’m just a groundskeeper so no one will mind me when were gone.”………No thanks.

See above.

Love how some people think I wrote one thing and I actually wrote something else. That’s how fights start. Reading comprehension is important.

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Wanted • Re: wanted prepper family to share ranch in colorado

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

Gunns wrote:Nothing wrong with Pot. Only an uninformed person would turn away a medical herb that has been around humans for tens of thousands of years.

risk your life? …. this guy wants a 24/7/365 security guard in exchange for parking your RV …. better have more of excuse than pot for the dead brain cells …

Your putting words where I did not write them. I never said take him up on his offer. I just said nothing wrong with Pot. So no I would not take up an offer such as this.

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Wanted • Re: wanted prepper family to share ranch in colorado

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0
Illini Warrior wrote:

Gunns wrote:Nothing wrong with Pot. Only an uninformed person would turn away a medical herb that has been around humans for tens of thousands of years.

risk your life? …. this guy wants a 24/7/365 security guard in exchange for parking your RV …. better have more of excuse than pot for the dead brain cells …

Your putting words where I did not write them. I never said take him up on his offer. I just said nothing wrong with Pot. So no I would not take up an offer such as this.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0

I have thought about this too. I was once considering a bike with an electric motor and lithium battery. Some of them recharge going down hill.

Also a trailer is a good thing.

C:\Users\matr06047\Desktop\2017-06-08 11_55_48-Amazon.com _ Allen Sports Deluxe 2-Child Steel Bicycle Trailer, Red _ Sports & O.png

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Bicycles; are they worth the Investment

June 8, 2017 Gunns 0

I have thought about this too. I was once considering a bike with an electric motor and lithium battery. Some of them recharge going down hill.

Also a trailer is a good thing.

C:\Users\matr06047\Desktop\2017-06-08 11_55_48-Amazon.com _ Allen Sports Deluxe 2-Child Steel Bicycle Trailer, Red _ Sports & O.png

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Is this the Calm Before the Storm

June 7, 2017 Gunns 0

1980 Minneapolis Mn.

A tool company wanted to modernize their factory and when they went for permits they were told in a loud voice NO. Not unless they employed some of the Welfare individuals that lived right next door. There were about 400 families living in low income housing. The company OK, what could they do.

They pretty much laid off everyone, retooled and made things pretty much automated. They still had to fill about 100 jobs so when they were done they went and had a job fair in the middle of this housing. Many showed up for interviews. Remember this is 1980 and the starting wage for a trainee was $10 an hour, full medical, full dental and profit sharing. After training the pay could have been as high as $15 for an operator and more for a supervisor.

Not a single one took the job. The city made it mandatory that a certain percentage had to be from that housing or they could not do business. Months passed and court hearings ended up removing that requirement. They even went to $20 an hour for operators and not a single person from that housing applied.

I remember this because I applied and was turned down since I was not on Welfare. I was however going to school full time. They told me to come back after they had filled some jobs from the housing complex.

Moral of the story, this has been happening for decades. Social Media has made it worse.

After the mandatory requirement was lifted they filled every job in a couple weeks. Sad part is that this was a privately owned family business and they ended up having to sell it because of all this.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: Is this the Calm Before the Storm

June 7, 2017 Gunns 0

1980 Minneapolis Mn.

A tool company wanted to modernize their factory and when they went for permits they were told in a loud voice NO. Not unless they employed some of the Welfare individuals that lived right next door. There were about 400 families living in low income housing. The company OK, what could they do.

They pretty much laid off everyone, retooled and made things pretty much automated. They still had to fill about 100 jobs so when they were done they went and had a job fair in the middle of this housing. Many showed up for interviews. Remember this is 1980 and the starting wage for a trainee was $10 an hour, full medical, full dental and profit sharing. After training the pay could have been as high as $15 for an operator and more for a supervisor.

Not a single one took the job. The city made it mandatory that a certain percentage had to be from that housing or they could not do business. Months passed and court hearings ended up removing that requirement. They even went to $20 an hour for operators and not a single person from that housing applied.

I remember this because I applied and was turned down since I was not on Welfare. I was however going to school full time. They told me to come back after they had filled some jobs from the housing complex.

Moral of the story, this has been happening for decades. Social Media has made it worse.

After the mandatory requirement was lifted they filled every job in a couple weeks. Sad part is that this was a privately owned family business and they ended up having to sell it because of all this.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 Gunns 0

Can’t. Not where I am. I have a nice place surrounded by not so nice places. I am busy making friends. Only thing I will do.

I was brought up to do the maintenance required in our home. Painted, neat, mowed and clean. Can’t help it. Don’t have a lot of worthless crap but still I stick out.

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A.N.T.S. • Re: The Gray House

June 6, 2017 Gunns 0

Can’t. Not where I am. I have a nice place surrounded by not so nice places. I am busy making friends. Only thing I will do.

I was brought up to do the maintenance required in our home. Painted, neat, mowed and clean. Can’t help it. Don’t have a lot of worthless crap but still I stick out.

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Guns • Re: Night Vision Distributors

June 5, 2017 Gunns 0
Dirk Williams wrote:
I own four sets of PVS 14s, all gen three auto gyrated etcetc. I also own two sets of PVS-7s, two into one lenses. I purchased two 14s from TNVC, 3500.00 a pop.

I purchased two other sets of 14s, from a small start up company of Army Rangers in Seattle. These sets were Referbished 14s. I think they cost like 2500.00 a pop.

The PVS-7s, came from the ranger company aswell.

I recently inquired about another set for an associate. Was sad to learn their doing SURPLUS stuff, but not NV right now.

Your going to pay 3000.00 plus per set, so be prepared.

I recently hosted a dog and pony show, where’s some friends who are trainers for ATN, brought up some of the new ” White Light” models of night vision. New technology, and pretty slick.

” no green background, it’s white and appeared to be great quality stuff. I was told that the switch to this new generation of NODS, will be slow, due to costs, but that a bunch of the currant Gen III stuff will flood the market.

I’d like to share this, and I said it here before. Night vision is an absolute force multiplier. The ability to see and shoot hundreds of yards accurately in the darkest of nights, is a big deal.

Add a suppressor and an IR laser like the D-BAL-2 to a rifle any your light years ahead of the program.

The PVS14 is 3 k plus. The Suppressor is 1000.00 plus the tax stamp 200.00. The D-bal-2 is 900.00. The package is worth every penny.

I have three rifles with these set ups on them. Two m4-S and a Fn 308. The 308 can be switched to one of my m-14s.

The value added to the package is incredible. I can shoot others from 100s of yards away, leaving almost zero sound signature. Almost zero flash signature, and track my foes movement step for step.

Out of ALL of my preps, these rifle systems are perhaps the most important in terms of protecting our survival package. If you can’t defend it, it ain’t yours for long.

The psychological advantage added by these systems will be worth the costs.

So if you believe bad times are coming, you owe it to your families to be able to protect them, and your preps from raiders or others bent on making your kit, theirs.

I made the choice to scrap with anybody in my turf for my stuff, to include city county state and federal representatives.

Incidentally, the listed agencies at least here, currantly do not possess the abilities I have available. The State and Fed’s, have these items just not locally.

Keep in mind that Bight Vision devices can view other night vision devices. And IR lazer, which leads right back to your D-bal-2 in a firefight. Also the Dbals have green visible Lazers which work much better then red lazer in the sun light.

” personally I don’t see a need for Lazers in light, my sight package is for instant identification and targeting.

In the past 25 years I’ve used nods almost nightly. I actually had a set of PVS-21s hand reciepted to me may last three years as a deputy Sheriff. Most tier one military guys have never seen a set of those, truly remarkable.

I could drive as fast as I wanted 100 mph, on windy curve mountain roads, with zero lights on, with zero perception differences.

Gunns my friend, I guess so,etchings better then nothing. The gen one stuff does work, if it meets your needs, wonderful. In the late 80s, I had that stuff. I was greatful for it, saved my bacon more then once. The gen 3 and now gen 4 stuff is measurably by large margins better and better made, solid.

A 300 y shot with a14 mounted on a good rifle is easy Peasy, I do it all the time.

Should you get a 14 also purchase a mount called a TM14 mount, from TNVC, these mount directly behind your red dots, and co witness, easily.

When you shoulder your rifle and look thru the 14, you pick up the red dot, centered. It’s quick and sturdy.

Hope this helps

Dirk Williams

Thanks Dirk. You were one I was referring to but did not want to volunteer your name. As always very good advice. Wish I had the money for Gen 3 or 4. Maybe after the market gets the new stuff the prices will be more attractive.

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Guns • Re: Night Vision Distributors

June 5, 2017 Gunns 0

I paid less than $300 for my NV. Its Gen 1 and I got it from Optics Planet. I use it on a harness to experiment at night with. It works great for what I need it for.

I can scan my whole property and see well to the road. Gets mighty dark here at night.

Would like to spend more on a better version, but its about what you want to do with it. Some on here are very serious night shooters and will spend that kind of money on NV.

Statistics: Posted by Gunns — Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:21 am