Illini Warrior wrote:
opinion – stupid premise ….
I do not think I would call it stupid.
As others have posted, the original post is more obviously one sided, and myopic.
Yeti 2015 states quite well, the right tool for the right job. One would never use a short barreled AR15 for grouse hunting, no more so than one would use a twenty eight inch, over and under to clear houses in urban Kabul.
However I would not rule out the use of a long gun in a urban area where mastery of a firearm is more important be it a handgun or a long gun. But we should all strive to be a Rifleman, as defined by the late, great COL Jeff Cooper.
While I am generally not endeared of technological solutions, there have been advances in metallurgy and frangible ammunition.
During my deployment to Afghanistan, I have no recollection of anyone having to engage in hand to hand combat.
Nor do I recall any Marines or Army soldiers forgoing their M16/M4 in favor of their M9 in urban combat.
I do not recall the insurgents preferring handguns to long guns in urban combat.
If there is any one place in the world that would look like the USA in a SHTF situation, it is Afghanistan.
We use pepper spray out here in the country. It is called Bear Spray.
I was in wrestling in Jr. High, and High school.
Formal hand to hand combat training in the USMC.
With exception of wrestling, the other three, prior to the start of training, stated first to only engage in physical force when is the last resort. Do anything and everything to get the advantage by using anything and everything around you before resorting to use of your own body. Make contact, then break contact and get out of there. It is not some hollywood movie. You are not Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, or Jackie Chan where you take on forty-six guys single handedly and come out on the other side sweaty and slightly winded without a scratch. There is always someone out there, bigger, faster, stronger or who by plain dumb blind luck, gets the upper hand and you lose.
Another disadvantage with any kind of martial arts, injuries.
I had a roommate in Taekwondo, zigged when he should of zagged: broken jaw.
One of my Judo instructors, third degree black belt, dislocated knee in formal competition. He had the video. It was cringe worthy to watch.
Head injuries. As we have seen from football, and boxing, head injuries can lead to serious medical issues and it can be so much as one bad hit from even sparing in practice. Memory loss, difficulty concentration, tremors in the hands, vision issues, speech issues and more.
I would argue having good situational awareness would serve you better than years and years of martial arts training. Lot cheaper too. I have lived in a number of hostile urban areas and have never had to draw my weapon, or get into a confrontation all due to my knowledge of Go/No-Go areas, and awareness of my surroundings.
Knife fights. Just do not do it.
As it was noted in the original post, living in a urban environment has the greater possibility of putting one in closer contact with hostile types. And, as we have noted in many a sudden SHTF situation threads, those hostile types could go from a small percentage of the population, to the majority of the population in short order. I do not believe any of us are going to receive a personal text message from Kim Jong-un, saying he is launching a EMP/nuclear attack in ninety minutes and to get to your BOL.
Perhaps this thread should have been a comparison/contrast to urban to rural, the pros and cons of each.
I think it would have been a much better discussion.
Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:02 pm