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Prepper Fiction • Re: The Fall

February 17, 2017 Cast Iron 0
NJMike wrote:
I’ve been enjoying your storyline. I have to admit you almost lost me in the paragraph of the above with all the tacti-cool brand placement…lol. I liked the direction it ultimately went in though.

Thanks for posting! :thumbup:

Thank you NJMike.

The brand placement was a not so subtle hint toward the Rawles types with lists and lists of tacti-cool gear that adds nothing to the story whatsoever, other than look how cool I am.
No mind bending, Hollywood, behind the back, over the shoulder, every shot is between the eyes stuff.
However, I do own the Ruger 10/22T, with the air stripper. Different stock, and scope though.

Thank you again.

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Guns • Re: Practicing Your Defensive Pistol Skills at Home

February 17, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I shoot highly accurate pellet pistol during the off months to maintain proficiency.

And I dry fire with the rife using Snapcaps as Driven mentions above.
I also try to assume different field positions.

The clearing of ones own house as mentioned in the article and Driven mentions I thought was a very good idea.
Of course look at it not only from a offensive but defensive point of view.

This summer I am going to try some of COL Jeff Coopers rifle drills as depicted at the end of his book Art of the Rifle.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:04 am


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Prepper Fiction • Re: The Fall

February 17, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Dear reader,
Thank you for following along if you have thus far.
This edition is what I call the tacti-cool edition. So it may be a bit of a departure from previous entries.

Enjoy.

Jack and Tony dove for cover as rapid gunfire ripped into the trees and earth around them, spraying them with tree bark and dirt.
The sound was nearly deafening.
Luckily, Jack and Tony were wearing their Surefire EP3 Sonic Defender Ear Plugs.
They were out hunting for game, Jack with his Steyr Elite scout rifle, chambered in .308WIN, ten round extended magazine, topped with IOR-Valdada 2-6.75X36 Long Relief, First Focal Plane, Illuminated CQB-PK2 Mil super scout scope, and Ching Sling. Tony with his heavy bull barrel Ruger 10/22T, Magpul Hunter X-22 stock, Timney trigger, Volquartsen Stabilization air stripper, Bushnell Rimfire Optics Rifle Scope 3.5-10x 36mm Ballistic and 1/4 MOA Turret Dropzone 22 Reticle Matte scope and Lapua match grade ammo.
Jack picked up a fist sized smooth rock from the ground, and a stick. He broke the stick to size. More rounds impacted all around them, spraying them with more dirt.
“I am going to throw this,” Jack shouted over the gun fire. “When I tell you to run, you run down there,” Jack pointed, “As fast as you can, and get behind cover. You will have about five seconds, understand? If you can take a shot, take it! If not, run for the church!”
Tony nodded as dirt continued to rain down on him.
Jack tossed the rock and stick in classic military style.
They flew through the air and landed just behind the attackers, 50 yards distant.
Someone yelled, “Grenade!”
“Run!”
Tony ran the way Jack told him, while Jack ran the opposite direction.
While Tony was short, he held the high school 100 yard dash track record. He guessed he beat that record by a second as he jumped the last few feet behind a fallen log.
Jack ran in the opposite direction. Jack may have been tall and in very good shape, he had the disadvantage of running uphill. After what he figured to be about five seconds, he dove for cover, and immediately low crawled as fast as he could to a berm. He then low crawled further away from the ambush, getting more trees between him and his assailants. Jack found a good position behind some trees and waited.
After another long pause, the assailants figured out the ruse, they began firing again at a rapid rate at Jack and Tony’s last position. But Jack and Tony’s last position was a good forty yards from where Jack was now, just over a hundred yards for Tony. Bullets continued to impact harmlessly in the dirt, brush and trees.
Jack was able to take a stable sitting position, bringing his rifle up he could see between two trees, six assailants down in a depression. He rotated the power ring on the scope to the maximum of 6.75 power. He aimed at the assailant closest to Jack, the assailants left shoulder, neck, and helmet in clear view. He took two deep breaths, then a third, but held his breath at the end, and his trigger finger took up the slack of the trigger as he controlled the squeeze, when something happened at the other end of the assailants position that made him stop just before the hammer fell.

Tony was only armed with a .22LR rifle.
But Tony was a good shot with any rifle. And his 10/22 was a very good rifle.
The assailants resumed to tear up dirt, trees and brush, no where near where Tony was in rapid fire.
Over the fallen tree, Tony looked through his scope. He could see the right side of the closest assailant, his shoulder, rifle, his helmet. The assailant was wearing some kind of coyote tan chest rig, multi-cam uniform but a plain grey helmet.
Tony was debating taking the shot, when he noticed the closest three assailants, their helmets were nearly in line as they shot over the top of the depression. He backed the scope zoom power out so he could easily see all three of their helmets. He could not help but smile.
Using match grade, sub-sonic ammunition, the air stripper, and heavy nature of the match bull barrel, recoil was nearly non-existent. In quick succession, he took three well placed shots.
Without waiting around, he got up and ran for the church.

Through his scope, Jack saw his target suddenly turn and drop down.
It was muffled, but he could hear shouting.
Someone was hit . . . more than one . . . they took hits to their helmets. More shouting and confusion.
The assailant sat up enough Jack had a clear shot at his helmet. Jack took another deep breath, held it, squeezed the trigger and sent the bullet to its destination. In nearly one smooth motion, Jack cycled the bolt and loaded another round.
Jack knew if those were military issue Kevlar helmets, his shot would likely not penetrate.
However, glancing blow from a 170 grain bullet traveling at nearly 2700 feet per second at just over a hundred yards, would most certainly rattle the head inside the helmet, physically and mentally Jack hoped.
The assailant dropped lower into the depression after the bullet bounced off his helmet. Jack waited for about ten seconds, the silence was nearly deafening after all the gunfire.
The gun fire stopped, Jack could hear the church bell ringing rapidly. Somewhere not far away he heard the sound of emergency alert whistle blaring out three long calls with a brief pause between each blast. He heard another even further in the distance as each member of the community responded, passing the alert along. In a few minutes the whole community would be on alert if they were not already with all the gunfire. Those nearest who could respond would arrive at the church, with arms. Others who could not afford to join up with the militia at the church, would remain in their homes, assume a defensive posture, on watch and armed.
Those with radios passed the word along to others in the outlaying areas.
A few more moments passed, more whistles faded into the distance, when Jack had his answer; He did rattle the assailant mentally.
Suddenly three assailants stood nearly upright and fired rapidly, wildly in all directions, one shouting,
“Covering fire!”
The other two just yelled and fired wildly.
Jack noted the one who yelled “covering fire,” was the one he shot in the helmet, the bullet gouge easily seen in the helmet.
The other three got up and ran in the opposite direction of the covering fire.
Through the scope, Jack noted they all had magazine chest carrier rigs of various colors, some with desert tan uniforms, others with a urban multi-cam, and one with woodland camouflage. Some had elbow and knee pads. All wore some kind of military style boots, and wearing some kind of pack of equally different camouflage, by all appearances nearly full. Two of the retreating team ran thirty or so yards, took cover behind trees and took up positions ready to fire.
The third only got about ten feet, tripped and fell face first. He tried to get up, but stopped and rolled over, favoring his left arm.
Their magazines empty, the covering team dropped down behind cover. There was a long pause. Then someone shouted,
“What are you waiting for,” he shouted, “Fire!”
The two retreating team began to fire, the first team began their retreat but nearly ran into the covering fire.
Jack could see what he was now calling the leader of the group, the one he shot in the helmet, now screamed for cease fire three times. When the shots stopped, they resumed their retreat, the leader stopping to pick up their fallen comrade. Two of them ran past the others positions and kept going, the leader helping the injured, and hobbled past, yelling, “Go!”
They disappeared into the trees and brush.
Jack waited for thirty seconds, stood up, brushed himself off, and set out for a steady but careful jog toward the church.

It was Tuesday night, not an official town meeting, as those were on Wednesdays.
But the church was nearly full as if it was Wednesday night meeting. Everyone wanted to know what had happened first hand.
The town’s six councilpersons sat at their folding plastic tables, in their folding chairs, on the dais, while other members of the community took seats in the pews, the thrum of conversation filled the church.
At the top of the hour, councilperson Kathy Anderson rapped the gavel twice to call the meeting to order.
“Thank you everyone for coming,” she started. “I know this is not a normal meeting but we all agree,” she motioned to the other councilpersons, “It was necessary. Sheriff Nelson, would you brief us all on what happened?”
The sheriff walked up to the dais and turn and spoke to everyone.
“It appears six armed men had penetrated deep into our community and launched an attack on Jack and Tony.”
“How did they get past our patrols,” someone shouted out. More than a few grumbled in agreement.
The sheriff held out his hands for quiet.
“From what we can tell, they came in cross country during the night, avoiding the roads and our patrols.”
“Were they military,” someone else shouted.
At this point in time, Jack stood up to help the sheriff.
“One of them may have been,” he thought of the one whose helmet he glanced a shot off of. “The rest had no formal military training.” Jack pressed on before anyone could shout out any additional questions. “They did not have any small team tactics, they shot wildly, they lacked discipline. Their equipment was a mix of gear, and camouflage. I think Tony and I stumbled on a bunch of civilians lead by someone with prior military experience, or someone who watched a lot of war movies.”
A nervous laughter passed through the crowed at the remark. The tension seemed to ease up a bit in the church.
“I have to agree with Jack,” Sam announced as he stood up. Sam was a amateur astronomer, and the towns unofficial weather man. His exactness for numbers and statistics was legendary.
“We recovered five hundred and sixty three rounds of spent brass at the ambush site. I am sure we missed some. All had commercial, 223REM head stamps.”
A few people, including Jack whistled at that bit of news.
“Five hundred rounds per a six man team is a lot of ammunition to burn through,” Jack commented on.
“Five hundred and sixty three. How much was each man carrying,” Sam asked Jack.
Jack shrugged, “The chest rigs I saw were of at least two, maybe three different manufactures. Some chest rigs can carry as few as three thirty round magazines, others up to eight thirty round magazines. I have seen one carrying twelve.”
Sam considered it for a moment.
“Let us say they carried eight per person. That would be 1,440 total. And we found about five hundred and sixty three, lets say closer to six hundred for the ones we missed. Forty two percent, give or take a percent.”
Jack could not help but smile at Sam’s exactness. “Two engagements like the one we had today and they would be nearly out of ammunition.”
“That is not all,” Sam continued, “They left twenty of these behind.” Sam held up something, made a ready to catch gesture to Jack, and tossed it across the three pews.
Jack caught a flat desert tan Magpul magazine.
“What is it, Jack,” Kathy asked.
“It is a aftermarket magazine. High quality. Not cheap. Unless they have a large supply of these magazines wherever their base is, they will likely run out of magazines before they run out of ammunition. Run out of these and a semi-automatic rifle becomes a single shot.” Jack finished.
“Correct,” Sam said simply and sat down.
The Sheriff continued, “We sent out additional patrols. Found some boot prints leading to the main road. Cherrel Bogantz says she thought she saw some strange looking men rushing down the East road but could not be sure. She was busy chasing after George again,” sheriff Nelson added. The whole church let out a roll of laughter, as Cherrel’s wayward goat was famous for her escape artist antics. “We are looking for volunteers for additional night patrols and two LP/Ops.”
Twelve hands went up. The Sheriff smiled.
“Get with me after the meeting and we will talk assignments.”

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Economic Disasters • Re: So for investors who hold physical gold and silver, 2017

February 16, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Gunns wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:

Gunns wrote:Its not about the allure. Its about those people that have a life times of savings to protect. You can only buy so much prepper stuff. Bullets fail, rifles rust, food goes bad, water gets old and medicines age. But PM’s will always maintain there worth.

I see your point.

However, until things normalize enough after SHTF, where the survivors do not have to worry about where their next meal is coming from, I am charging five one oz gold coins for a dozen eggs.

That is kind of funny. But in reality if you did that you wouldn’t last long. In SHTF you still need to watch your back and by screwing people over you would most likely be all finished after SHTF. They will remember.

How so?

I will gladly trade for ammunition.
50 rounds of .22LR? Deal.
Why? .22LR has immediate worth to me. I own a .22LR. So does nearly everyone of my neighbors. If I do not use it myself, I can easily trade it with others who may need it.

5 rounds of .308WIN? Deal.
Why? .308WIN has immediate worth to me. I own a bolt rifle in .308WIN and I know a number of my neighbors do as well.

5 rounds of .223REM? 10 rounds and we will have a deal.
Why? I do not own anything in .223REM. I know of one neighbor who has a rifle in .223REM. While it is a common round, if I do not have an immediate market, I am assuming more risk. In order to make it worth taking on that risk, I will require more rounds.

10 rounds of 6.8SPC? No deal.
Why? I do not own one. No one I know owns one. I do not think I have ever met anyone who does.
If, big IF, I were to take the trade, I would require 50 rounds of 6.8SPC as I am taking on a much greater risk of finding someone to trade for it in the future.

PMs you have is all you have on hand?
I got a drainage ditch that needs cleared out. You clear it, I will feed you hot dinner, and give you something to take with you when you go.

As for watching my back, my neighbors garage door broke the other day. Out in twenty degree temps for over an hour, I fixed it for them.
I gave them a dozen eggs as we had four dozen in the fridge.
He used his front loader to push back the five foot tall snow drift at the end of my drive.
I have their back. They have mine.

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Economic Disasters • Re: So for investors who hold physical gold and silver, 2017

February 16, 2017 Cast Iron 0
rickdun wrote:
I’m not disagreeing with you CI, but what if you happen to get shot going into those abandon homes, stores. What if all your supplies are diminshed or die off or stolen and you have nothing for trade but PM’s. As far as change, to get a meal for me and family or get medical attention, etc., when I have nothing else to trade but PM’s, I’m not going to ask for change, I’m going to eat, get some medical supplies, ammo, etc., I’m not going to worry about change, it’s a tip for the ones that I get it from.

What if gold, silver and diamond rings and other jewelery left among the survivors is so prolific, it actually drives the worth of PMs into pennies on the oz?

What if you are being chased by a mob of mall ninja Spider People, your PMs are weighting you down, and your choice is to dump them and live, or hold them and die?

Point is, we can what if all day long and really it does not matter. That is the beauty of this conversation: In the end the worth of PMs lies in the belief of the individual.

If after a year and 90% of the population is dead (I’ve heard as high as 99%), then I’ll be one lonely rich guy, if I survive.

If there is no one to trade with, than does a PM even have worth?

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Economic Disasters • Re: So for investors who hold physical gold and silver, 2017

February 16, 2017 Cast Iron 0
rickdun wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:

Gunns wrote:Its not about the allure. Its about those people that have a life times of savings to protect. You can only buy so much prepper stuff. Bullets fail, rifles rust, food goes bad, water gets old and medicines age. But PM’s will always maintain there worth.

I see your point.

However, until things normalize enough after SHTF, where the survivors do not have to worry about where their next meal is coming from, I am charging five one oz gold coins for a dozen eggs.

Cast Iron, that is definately price gouging, I’ll only charge 1/10 oz of gold that comes to about 1.25/egg. With all seriousness, I never believed in PM’s because I thought I could be self sufficient, but after many discussions with some here on the APN (GUNNS was one of them), I changed my mind and now I have 1000’s of dollars in 1oz silver bars, rounds, etc., if anything my kids will end up with them and not have to pay the county, state, feds any inheritance taxes on it.

Thanks Gunns and the others that changed my mind, I really appreciate you guys.

Why?
Supply vs. demand right?
If Wall-Mart no longer exists, the JIT food system is gone, what you have is what you have.
Ask the average American where eggs, hamburger, bread comes from and they respond,
“The supermarket.”
We have had college educated friends, two with advanced degrees, did not know a cow had to be lactating to produce milk.

In taking PM in trade I am assuming more of the risk. Will I be able to find someone in the future to trade for it, and at a equal value for what I traded it for in the first place?
How do I make change?
Is it counterfeit?
If one guy in the who community has five PMs, is that enough to generate an economy? Or are we just passing around the same five coins?

If what some have posted here, 90% of the US population is going to die off in the first year, why bother with PMs?
Just go into an abandoned house and look for gold and silver jewelery, diamonds, watches, etc.

I would be more inclined to trade for things like ammunition, medical supplies, honey, candles, those kind of things.

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Economic Disasters • Re: So for investors who hold physical gold and silver, 2017

February 16, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Gunns wrote:
Its not about the allure. Its about those people that have a life times of savings to protect. You can only buy so much prepper stuff. Bullets fail, rifles rust, food goes bad, water gets old and medicines age. But PM’s will always maintain there worth.

I see your point.

However, until things normalize enough after SHTF, where the survivors do not have to worry about where their next meal is coming from, I am charging five one oz gold coins for a dozen eggs.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Shall we play a game, IV?

February 15, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I started the thread as I had just returned from walking the dogs out in the fields.

Normally I walk them once a day, or every other day. Makes a trail, with good packed snow, makes for easy going for me and the dogs.

Due to work, other commitments it has been over a week.
The trail was basically gone.

With the additional foot of snow, it made for slow going for both me and the dogs. Humping a hundred yards felt like a mile run.

The weather conditions as stated in the OP were pretty close to what we had.

I wore my Military Surplus N-3B Parka and was sweating. I have wore it before, making the mistake of having a polypro cold weather layer and I nearly overheated.

Snowshoes, winter boots, polypro cold weather long johns, cold weather gloves, Smartwool Balaclava, wool cap.

I need a pair of winter gaiters.

Making the trip per the OP, I would wear the above, my daily day pack with a extra set of clothing and additional cold weather layers in a drysack, snow glasses or goggles, first aid kit, something to snack on, and three liters of water.
As IceFire stated, water is just as important in cold weather as it is in hot weather.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Shall we play a game, IV?

February 15, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I started the thread as I had just returned from walking the dogs out in the fields.

Normally I walk them once a day, or every other day. Makes a trail, with good packed snow, makes for easy going for me and the dogs.

Due to work, other commitments it has been over a week.
The trail was basically gone.

With the additional foot of snow, it made for slow going for both me and the dogs. Humping a hundred yards felt like a mile run.

The weather conditions as stated in the OP were pretty close to what we had.

I wore my Military Surplus N-3B Parka and was sweating. I have wore it before, making the mistake of having a polypro cold weather layer and I nearly overheated.

Snowshoes, winter boots, polypro cold weather long johns, cold weather gloves, Smartwool Balaclava, wool cap.

I need a pair of winter gaiters.

Making the trip per the OP, I would wear the above, my daily day pack with a extra set of clothing and additional cold weather layers in a drysack, snow glasses or goggles, first aid kit, something to snack on, and three liters of water.
As IceFire stated, water is just as important in cold weather as it is in hot weather.

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Michigan Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Where is everybody

February 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
RayMac1963 wrote:

rebnavy1862 wrote:Cast Iron, Trump is not the one acting in a fascist manner. It is the far left. Don”t forget, it is their financier, Soros, who collaborated with the
Nazis. The left is trying to link Trump with Russia.

Thats a broad brush you’re painting with there Reb. Saying that is like saying the whole TEA Party was financed by the Koch Brothers. There are a lot ideological people on both ends of the spectrum going to marches and rallies and listening to talk radio out there. And i would venture to say most of them consider themselves patriots wanting the United States to live up to their interpretation of what a great country should be. BOTH ends have been manipulated by a power hungry elite group of people with agendas. THATS who the fight is with. Not the little lady with the picket sign regardless if that sign says “Life” or “Choice”.

Well said Ray.

The division I am seeing is you are on one of two sides.
No middle ground.
And it is the elite who is promoting their ideology.
However, in this case it appears the Left elite has the power of the mainstream media and feeding their propaganda to the masses.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: Shall we play a game, IV?

February 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
North County Guy wrote:
Seeing the SHTF coming, I have stocked up on supplies and limited my driving the use of my 4wheel drive, I also has tracks for my Polaris RZR. Living in rural area and on 2.5 acres I have room and am able to store gas in above tanks storage, 55-100 gallons is about the usual tank size. IF those are taken out, Snow shoes.

Can your 4wheel drive get through a few to several feet of snow?

Your Polaris RZR with tracks. Do you anticipate hostile forces, hearing your RZR coming, mounting an ambush?

Do you have said fuel stored now?

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Michigan Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Where is everybody

February 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
rebnavy1862 wrote:
Cast Iron, Trump is not the one acting in a fascist manner. It is the far left. Don”t forget, it is their financier, Soros, who collaborated with the
Nazis. The left is trying to link Trump with Russia.

A most interesting observation.

And I feel I am inclined to agree but only to a degree. Time will tell if their actions changes that to full agreement. I do not rule it outside the realm of possibility.

I don’t live anywhere near a city. There are bridges that isolate my rural area from the cities. County residents are mostly veterans and hunters who belong to well organized “gun clubs”. My own gun club numbers over 600 members who are very well armed. Violence spilling over from cities that are 50 miles away would result in suicide for any invaders. I don’t thinh many liberals have the stomach for a stand up fight with extensive casualties. They would be bringing fists and baseball bats to a gun fight. No easy pickings here.
Reb

I noted in another thread of true believers I am seeing on the extreme Left.
Again, any extremism in any form is not good, and should be avoided.
Having said that, it is those kind of extremists I can see resorting to violence and justifying it.
IF, big IF, it comes to that, the opposition will likely be as guilty as engaging in the escalation of violence.
It is a race to the bottom.

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General Preparedness Discussion • Shall we play a game, IV?

February 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0

This may apply more to those of us in the upper latitudes or those in the higher elevations.
For those in the middle or upper lower latitudes, let us say a highly unusual prolonged cold front comes through.
Naturally, everyone is more than welcome to join in.

The situation: SHTF sometime in early to mid December. The snowplows quit running in late December due to the lack of fuel. For those in the middle or upper lower latitudes, apply the lack of fuel and what emergency snow removal your local has available.

It is mid-Feburary, More than a few snowstorms have passed through and another storm dropped over a foot of snow in the past twenty four hours. For those in the middle or upper lower latitudes, apply the last half of that sentence.
Side note: We recently got that much snow.

You need to get to a neighbor/location for an emergency. Medicine, cup of sugar, whatever.
It is approximately three miles away.
Mid-morning, temps in the upper teens lower twenties, with a wind chill of lower teens, but it is sunny and clear.

How do you get there?
How do you get back?
What do you take with you?
What clothing/equipment do you have for the journey?

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Michigan Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Where is everybody

February 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I think, but have no real evidence, since the surprise win of Trump, and the failure of Clinton, those preppers who have been prepping since Obama, felt a sigh of relief and perhaps have taken a break.
Do something long enough,intense enough and a person can get fatigued.

On the other side, there are those who suddenly got prepper fever due to the election outcome.

I see the country even more dived than it was before.

There is a lot more hate filled rhetoric. I am reading numerous references in mainstream media to Nazi Germany, Hitler, fascists and now, brownshirts.

Is it real?
Does it matter?

The fear is there. It is visceral.

I shall continue to prep with the usual things I do every year.
But now, looking at the political, social landscape, I am now upping the prepping for some kind of social or civil unrest on a large, violent scale.
Sad to say I feel that way. I hope I am wrong.

Someone made a interesting observation the other day: Hitlers rise to power has been linked to the threat of communists, real or perceived has been debated.
I am not a WWII history buff, but what I did find on a Wiki page seemed to corroborate the idea.
So, in this day and age, if Trump is modern America’s Hitler, does that make The Left the Communists?

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For Sale & Trade • Re: More about military field phones.

February 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
3ADScout wrote:
I have 2 T/A 312 and 2 T/A-1 phones. The TA-1s do not require ANY batteries and are sound powered, with a range of about 4 miles. The TA-312 take 2 D cell Batteries but many people don’t realize that the TA312 can be used without batteries for a distance of around 4 miles. If you use the 2 d cells it can go about 12. Sportsman guide has been offering brand new rolls of field phone wire for $27 which is incredibly cheap. Over the years I have managed to scrounge up some spare parts (going through $1 boxes at gun shows pays off) and even found some of the “crystals” that are used in the non-powered manual switchboard. Allows you to connect multiple phone when you want to. You don’t need a switchboard you can wire them in a hot loop but all the phone will ring and everyone can hear the conversation, which isn’t always bad. If you get a roll of wire try to find the reel handle it makes deploying and retrieving the wire very easy.

That is good information, thank you.

Say SHTF. Could one use currently ran cable (i.e. COAX) as wire?

If the gird is down, splice into the cable company lines?

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Guns • Re: RELOADING

February 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
donba wrote:
Went on amazon; Beginning guide to reloading, and the A B C of reloading. are on the way. This is a start, I am thinking of going with the Lee loaders that way who ever needs which loader they can share, 2 boys, 3 grandsons, 1 Grandson-in-law, 2 great-grandsons. Most have shown some interest in reloading.

Good luck and by all means, feel free to ask questions.

Would you be so kind to clarify “Lee Loaders?”

I actually started with this one as I lived in a very small apartment: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/66554 … hand-press

Later I upgraded to a turret press.

I have these too: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/73572 … winchester
Shockingly easy. All that was needed aside components was a mallet or hunk of wood. Made good rounds too.

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Introduce Yourself • Re: 5 gallon bucket or larger tote?

February 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Gunns wrote:

Illini Warrior wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:I had a red squirrel determined to gnaw through a five gallon bucket lid to get to the bird seed in there. I found it in time, but he sure did wreck that lid.

Later, I wrecked him with a hollow point pellet to the head.

most people don’t realize that these rodent types are capable of some almost supercreature behavior … had to give the bad word to a guy on another prepper site – he cut open a IBC tote and made it into a dry foods storage bin – thinking it was rodent proof – they can chew thru light sheetmetal and concrete if necessary – heavy plastic is just teasing them …

Squirrels are Super Smart Devils. They can figure out just about anything thrown at them.

Not a 19grn pellet moving at 800FPS.

They sure can stop one with their head. :)

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0
danthman114 wrote:

orangetom1999 wrote:Wow Kappydell,

Paper patch bullets…for sure.

That is exactly how they used to do it in the olde days before gas checks.

Thanks for reminding me.

Not sure , however, if it would work well in a magazine fed rifle.

But if you have little else…you can single feed said ammunition…in whatever you have.

Thanks,
Orangetom

The old days they didn’t use modern powders and the pressures were nowhere near what you see now. This is why they invented gas checks.

Knowing how to cast is a great skill to have but I only cast for certain guns. Revolvers, muzzle loaders, shotgun slugs, and will be ordering a 220 gr rn in 310 for my 30-40 krag. I’ve also been looking into guns that started out as shooting black powder cartridges. Like the 45-70 or 44-40. Primers would be the hard part. You can use the white tip on strike anywhere matches and rebuild the used primers but it’s not reliable at all. I’ve read on making fulminated mercury but I’m not keen on possibly killing myself for primers when there’s flintlocks for sale everywhere. Or bows and arrows but that is another subject all together….

I had the same thought while looking through the Lyman manual last night.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Some additional research shows the harder the alloy, the less leading, and the faster the bullet can be pushed.
The trade off is the harder alloy the less the bullet will expand if at all. Obviously the obverse is the softer the alloy, the better the expansion.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:29 am


Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0
orangetom1999 wrote:
Oh….goodness me….My apologies from this end…no offense was intended or taken here.

I am just agreeing with you in that I do not think you to far out there in your thinking or rationale behind your thinking.

I have had this experience for myself with people who think I am crazy for doing prepping verses watching sports or the Kardashians ..et al…particularly at work. They tend to think I am out there.

I do not speak of this topic with anyone at work anymore except those with a similar understanding or mind set.

I even have a small rotating stash of food and medicines ..even non phone communications in my locker at work should I be stuck there for some time and due to some calamity. Same in my daily BOB. I even keep potassium Iodide in my daily BOB.

Agree totally about the feeding problems with different kinds of bullets.

I have reloaded loaded .223 bullets for a heavy barreled bolt action rifle and tried to seat the bullets out closer to the lands in the rifling. I was not thinking it through at the time but when I tried these bullets in an AR platform…the over all length was to long….and would not properly feed unless loaded by hand…one at a time. Yes definitely ..bullet shape and seating can be critical in a semi auto. I think this is called OAL or Over All Length.

You are spending and investing your time, monies, etc ….you decide and don’t let others dissuade you from learning and thinking things through now..before a SHTF or even God Forbid…a TEOTWAWKI. Just be safe. If you have a family for which you are the Shepard…you have a significant load on your shoulders to consider….factor in.

The learning time is now …during good times and plenty.

Many a person/family has found this out in this area as it is hurricane country. Since the last significant hurricane to come through here…Isabelle….more people have been thinking outside the box and the Kardashians/Cowboys…et al…and buying generators…just in case.
I salute them for thinking in that direction and not depending on FEMA and others any more than they need so do.

You are doing the same or similar thing here…expanding your thinking/ knowledge and by this your “Options.”

I salute you as well for this out of the box thinking. Glad to be of some help and there are some good thoughts by other members on this thread.

Orangetom

No worries Orange Tom.

I thought it was a good post and some good advice.

v/r

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:23 am


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Guns • Re: Muzzleloader education

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0

RockinB, thank you for the information.

I too am looking into black powder firearms and any additional insight would be appreciated, especially in the “traditional” style of black powder.

I am looking at it from the view point of what if 209 shotgun primers are not available.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
orangetom1999 wrote:
Cast Iron,

It is good to know I am not too out there in my thinking of the logistical necessities required for loading cast, possible issues and limitations. And, having a black powder back up.
I should look into bows too.

Negative ….absolutely not.

You are spending your monies and your time. Do not let others put limitations on you …when you are spending your time and monies….your sweat.

Mind you now…just don’t get to where you are impractical and or dangerous..or stupid.

For example..I have a copy of “The Anarchist Cookbook ” which I have had for over 30 years. I have no ambition to do some of the crazy wild and dangerous things in that book. I have enough practical real life experience to not do something so dangerous..or stupid. Particularly if you have family close by.

But it is interesting reading.

I have taught myself to pick locks….and even fabricate my own picks and tension levers. I do not open locks for other people in my neighborhood….for practical reasons…nor rescue them in like manner. People are so dumb and ignorant …the first time they are missing something …where will they be looking?? I do not advertise this skill to people in my neighborhood…but it has saved me monies when I have locked myself out of my house, garage, or truck and cars.

There are practical limitations as well as safety limitations to any plan…but it is your time and your monies..your sweat.

Just weight your decisions out practically and safely…but it is your decision, your time, and your monies, and also your responsibility. I have no ambition to become a Xerox copy of what most people think is normal or at times acceptable today.

And that is the problem in a SHTF or TEOTWAWKI…all bets are off….no PC acceptable in SHTF OR TEOTWAWKI.

Obviously I am not into PC…or what I often tend to call…”herd mentality.” I do not want to be carrying the herd on my back and or expense/risk in SHTF or TEOTWAWKI.
And I have little use or respect for most of what passes for Herd Mentality today…ie..PC.

Again my .02,
Orangetom

My apologizes Orange Tom, I was not clear.

I only meant limitations in regards to reliable functioning and feeding of cast bullets in a firearm.
Then, there is the consideration of limitations of using a cast bullet in a AR15 for hunting. IF premium bullets are no longer available, shooting cast at a lower velocity, from what I am seeing in the availably of bullet mold types, shot placement is even more important.
Of course, shot placement is alway important.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Thank you Orange Tom for your response and others who have responded as well.

It is good to know I am not too out there in my thinking of the logistical necessities required for loading cast, possible issues and limitations. And, having a black powder back up.
I should look into bows too.

I understand the rational for stockpiling long, stockpiling deep. Without modern infrastructure, and the logistical train, what you have on hand, maybe all you have.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:22 am


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Guns • Re: RELOADING

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I started with this book: The ABCs of Reloading: The Definitive Guide for Novice to Expert, older edition though.
Do not read it once. Read it three or four times till you have complete understanding of the material.

And a few reloading books, Hornady at first. Later I added Lapua, Nosler, Lyman.

While dated, the Lapua manual was a excellent resource for nearly everything concerning reloading. I liked their explanation of Maximum Point Blank Range and they even provided tables for MPBR on a three inch target.

Some manuals are specific to their brand of bullets, i.e. Hornady will list only their bullets, Nosler theirs etc.
Some will only list a given brand of powders.

It is common practice to have multiple books on hand to cross reference or allow the reloader not to be limited to a given brand.

Bare in mind, all the manufactures listings are in controlled lab conditions, generally using Universal Receivers of a given barrel length or a particular fire arm. Their listings are suggested starting and maximum loads, and should get the reloader into the approximate FPS range. The only way to truly gauge a load for a rifle is to shoot it across a chronograph.
Every rifle is different, even those of the same make and model. Some will be more accurate with one load over another.
Faster is not always better.

I started with Lee, and have ever since, going on sixteen years now.
Some will dismiss Lee as a discount brand. I have had excellent results and many others have too.
Their customer service is excellent. I got a case jammed in a die, my fault, too much coffee that morning. I mailed it in to them asking for a quote to get it fixed. They did not bother calling me, but fixed it, cleaned it and sent it back with a handwritten thank you note. They sent the case back too.

Read a lot, ask a lot of questions. Best if you know someone who does their own reloads, and learn from them.
But I did it just by reading, and following the manuals. Still here, still have all my fingers, and my face has not been blown off.
I know. Someone reading that last sentence finished it with, “. . . yet!” ;)

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
apache235 wrote:
If we run out of modern components (should I say when?) a good muzzle loader will be your friend. I’m not into flint locks but it may come to that. I do have modern black powder guns but they still require caps and in some cases, cartridge cases which require primers. Making black powder isn’t hard, making good black powder is an art, having supplies would be something to think about and I have not until tonight.

Agreed.

Who here can produce modern smokeless powder, primers, brass or modern bullets without our current infrastructure?

I think caps for black powder is doable more so than primers for center fire rifles or pistols.
The technology has been around for a lot longer than smokeless, and doable for the average man than a specialist.

Least we be regulated to bow and arrows, swords and lances in a generation or two.

Something to consider.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
apache235 wrote:
If we run out of modern components (should I say when?) a good muzzle loader will be your friend. I’m not into flint locks but it may come to that. I do have modern black powder guns but they still require caps and in some cases, cartridge cases which require primers. Making black powder isn’t hard, making good black powder is an art, having supplies would be something to think about and I have not until tonight.

Agreed.

Who here can produce modern smokeless powder, primers, brass or modern bullets without our current infrastructure?

I think caps for black powder is doable more so than primers for center fire rifles or pistols.
The technology has been around for a lot longer than smokeless, and doable for the average man than a specialist.

Least we be regulated to bow and arrows, swords and lances in a generation or two.

Something to consider.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0
orangetom1999 wrote:
I load a 250 grain Flat point bullet for my 41magnum..but it is a gas check bullet. This is the only calibration for which I have ever reloaded or shot a gas check bullet and it seems to work well in a Ruger Blackhawk in keeping down the leading. This is a hard recoiling bullet if you load it hot. It is designed for penetration..and energy delivery. I was impressed with the lack of leading as compared to some hot lead semi wadcutters I’ve loaded for 38 Special….non gas check.

Leading build up in the rifling can be a problem if the bullet is not sufficiently hard..in the mix.

I would think the same applies in .223 and even .308. Many people have used hard mix lead in cast bullets for .308 for years with good results. Gas Checks too.

You might want to start there for baseline figures on the hardness mix.

Overall though..I don’t think the pattern is to load cast bullets as high in the speed as plated bullets…or copper bullets.

My .02,
Orangetom

Thank you Orange Tom for your response.

I shot a friends .41 Magnum and enjoyed it throughly. A great round. Too bad it does not have a better following.

I think you addressed several of my most recent post findings, i.e. gas checks, hardness.

Please understand my thought line on this thread is if we have a SHTF event. If one has to resort to cast bullets, what are the logistical necessities to produce those bullets, what are the limitations of those bullets out of a short barreled AR15, with reliable feeding, in not only the security sense, but hunting as well.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0
orangetom1999 wrote:
I load a 250 grain Flat point bullet for my 41magnum..but it is a gas check bullet. This is the only calibration for which I have ever reloaded or shot a gas check bullet and it seems to work well in a Ruger Blackhawk in keeping down the leading. This is a hard recoiling bullet if you load it hot. It is designed for penetration..and energy delivery. I was impressed with the lack of leading as compared to some hot lead semi wadcutters I’ve loaded for 38 Special….non gas check.

Leading build up in the rifling can be a problem if the bullet is not sufficiently hard..in the mix.

I would think the same applies in .223 and even .308. Many people have used hard mix lead in cast bullets for .308 for years with good results. Gas Checks too.

You might want to start there for baseline figures on the hardness mix.

Overall though..I don’t think the pattern is to load cast bullets as high in the speed as plated bullets…or copper bullets.

My .02,
Orangetom

Thank you Orange Tom for your response.

I shot a friends .41 Magnum and enjoyed it throughly. A great round. Too bad it does not have a better following.

I think you addressed several of my most recent post findings, i.e. gas checks, hardness.

Please understand my thought line on this thread is if we have a SHTF event. If one has to resort to cast bullets, what are the logistical necessities to produce those bullets, what are the limitations of those bullets out of a short barreled AR15, with reliable feeding, in not only the security sense, but hunting as well.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Per Dan The Man’s suggestion, I searched the cast boolits website.

Initial findings show cast bullets can be fired through a AR15 reliably with little or no leading problems.
However, certain bullet shapes would not feed reliably, e.g. flat nose.

FPS appears to be around 2200FPS out of a 16inch barrel. One poster was getting 2800FPS, but that was out of a 20inch barrel.

Gas checks are required, as well as lube, and a sizing die: .225 seem to get the best accuracy results.
The harder the alloy type, seem to get the better accuracy.

Dacron appears to be the best filler.

This has been an interesting research project. Things to consider for a SHTF like situation and if one has thought of cast bullets from wheel weights.
Caliber needs to be taken into consideration.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:28 pm


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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Per Dan The Man’s suggestion, I searched the cast boolits website.

Initial findings show cast bullets can be fired through a AR15 reliably with little or no leading problems.
However, certain bullet shapes would not feed reliably, e.g. flat nose.

FPS appears to be around 2200FPS out of a 16inch barrel. One poster was getting 2800FPS, but that was out of a 20inch barrel.

Gas checks are required, as well as lube, and a sizing die: .225 seem to get the best accuracy results.
The harder the alloy type, seem to get the better accuracy.

Dacron appears to be the best filler.

This has been an interesting research project. Things to consider for a SHTF like situation and if one has thought of cast bullets from wheel weights.
Caliber needs to be taken into consideration.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:28 pm


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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0
danthman114 wrote:
Best place to ask that question would be at the cast boolits website. There was a guy there that did all the testing for an m1a and I’m sure that someone has done an ar15

Thank you Dan for your response.

I will further my research there.

Thank you again.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0
woodchipper518 wrote:
Great question and response. I had thought about how we would do this during SHTF times. Sounds like we won’t. Guess I just keep stocking up the commercial stuff.

A most excellent observation.

Long enough time line, everyone will eventually run out of modern ammunition after a major SHTF event. Even reloading, eventually everyone will run out of bullets, smokeless powder, primers, and brass will eventually fail after so many reloads.

This next statement may make some Spider People heads explode, but everyone may want to have a black powder fire arm on hand as part of their preps.

While I was looking on line, Midway USA, for casting molds, I noted there were only ten listed for the .225.
The .309, i.e. casting for .308, there were fifty two listings. The low end of 113grn, the high end 230grn.

Granted in both calibers, some listings were for the same bullet but in a higher capacity per mold, e.g. six bullets vs. two bullets cavity mold.

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Guns • Re: Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0
apache235 wrote:
If you were thinking of casting lead bullets for sub-sonic loads in a .223 (bolt gun or single shot) I’d say go for it, but unless you cast very hard I think it may not be the best idea. Not that you can’t do it, but jacketed is just a much better option for that little round. Leading in the barrel will be the problem and if you clog the gas port, well you will have a single shot that may be VERY hard to clean so that it works right.

Thank you for your response.

I am doing some research, specifiably for the AR15 in a common commercially available short barrel.
The leading and gas port are great observations.

As stated in the OP, the Lyman reloading manual is out of a 24 inch universal receiver.
How many FPS would be loss using a 16 inch barreled AR15 of the same max load of a cast bullet.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:22 pm


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Guns • Cast reloads for .223?

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Anyone reload cast bullets for their AR15 in .223?

The only information I have found was Lyman reloading manual for a 55grn bullet, out of a 24 inch universal receiver at a max velocity of in the 2200FPS range.

Quick look on Midway USA and the largest cast bullet mold they have listed is 60grn in .225.

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Guns • Re: Taurus Judge

February 11, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I do not own a Taurus Judge.

But Ice Fire has one. She has real world experience with one.

I would deferrer to her experience on this matter.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:47 pm