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A.N.T.S. • Re: Social Media is Wonderful and Cell Phones Too

May 18, 2017 Cast Iron 0
IceFire wrote:
Most of the LEOs around here prep/homestead/farm/ranch, and a good proportion of them live out here in the sticks, too, so not too likely that they’ll be harassing their neighbors (who they will be bartering/trading with.

I do not know of any LEO living in my area.
Down in town there are. But that is a good ten minute drive on 55mph country roads.
In a EMP/GDS I doubt they would want to try to hump it out here. Lot of that is uphill.
And, take a lot of manpower to cover that much area. Or use up a lot of gas.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Thu May 18, 2017 7:29 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Social Media is Wonderful and Cell Phones Too

May 18, 2017 Cast Iron 0
IceFire wrote:
Most of the LEOs around here prep/homestead/farm/ranch, and a good proportion of them live out here in the sticks, too, so not too likely that they’ll be harassing their neighbors (who they will be bartering/trading with.

I do not know of any LEO living in my area.
Down in town there are. But that is a good ten minute drive on 55mph country roads.
In a EMP/GDS I doubt they would want to try to hump it out here. Lot of that is uphill.
And, take a lot of manpower to cover that much area. Or use up a lot of gas.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Thu May 18, 2017 7:29 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Social Media is Wonderful and Cell Phones Too

May 17, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Lights go out, park the truck and go about the usual chores.
Pay visits to the neighbors, talk over coffee.

Aside from this site and two airfun sites, I am not on any other social media sites. Never been on facebook, never been on twitter.
I have a terrible habit of leaving the phone on the kitchen counter all day anyways. I think the thing is more a burden than anything else.

From what I have heard on the news since the election, I would expect it to be completely unreliable anyways. There would be a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and just plain bad information out there. Sifting through what is fact from fiction now, with the lights on, is hard enough.

Family hundred or thousands of miles away? I would expect them to do their best to survive. If they can make it here, great. But I would not want them to put themselves in harms way.

Some yahoo in DC declares Martial Law . . . how is said yahoo going to enforce it here in the sticks from several hundred miles away?
I will wager the LEO will have a lot on their hands in the towns and cities to bother with those of us out here in the rural areas.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Wed May 17, 2017 6:21 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Social Media is Wonderful and Cell Phones Too

May 17, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Lights go out, park the truck and go about the usual chores.
Pay visits to the neighbors, talk over coffee.

Aside from this site and two airfun sites, I am not on any other social media sites. Never been on facebook, never been on twitter.
I have a terrible habit of leaving the phone on the kitchen counter all day anyways. I think the thing is more a burden than anything else.

From what I have heard on the news since the election, I would expect it to be completely unreliable anyways. There would be a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and just plain bad information out there. Sifting through what is fact from fiction now, with the lights on, is hard enough.

Family hundred or thousands of miles away? I would expect them to do their best to survive. If they can make it here, great. But I would not want them to put themselves in harms way.

Some yahoo in DC declares Martial Law . . . how is said yahoo going to enforce it here in the sticks from several hundred miles away?
I will wager the LEO will have a lot on their hands in the towns and cities to bother with those of us out here in the rural areas.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Wed May 17, 2017 6:21 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: Gardening

May 16, 2017 Cast Iron 0

I have had good luck using fencing similar to this: https://www.premier1supplies.com/garden … ence_id=34

And a 1J energizer: https://www.premier1supplies.com/p/prem … cat_id=245

The rabbits literally jump in the air when they get shocked.

Flip side, if you know they come out when you shut the energizer down, can you set up and wait with a .22?
I had a serious rat problem a few years ago. Using a .22 air rifle, hollow point pellets took care of them. Only one got away, the rest were DRT.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Tue May 16, 2017 7:12 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: They know Who You Are

May 16, 2017 Cast Iron 0

What is “normal” nowadays?

They investigated the Orlando club shooter. Failed to prevent that.

There is so much information out there, there is not enough computing power or analysts to scrutinize every American. Not that the average American would even pop on a suspect list.
I guess we should thank those antifa loons, the far left, as a lot of their rhetoric I find mildly alarming.
I would think the government has a lot more potential homegrown loonies to watch than some goat farmer in the sticks.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Tue May 16, 2017 7:01 am


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Guns • Re: Accuracy challenge

May 15, 2017 Cast Iron 0
DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE wrote:
Hey CI….Long time no see/talk… :wave:

Those are great targets…Thanks for the link.

We use these ones in IDPA all the time…(For those not familiar look them up, great place to get variety in “run and gun” on multiple course setups)…great for beginners to pros…Accuracy scored and timed(simulates stress)

Black is no shoot area…black hands is an entire no shoot target as a hostage or non-combatant…Fun stuff!
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Greetings and salutations Driven.
I was in China for the past month.

I would like to get into IDPA or IPSC or similar, but the pistol requirements here in NY are insane.
So I stick with my lowly Air Rifle. For around here, the air rifle gets more use than a pistol would anyways. I have a target/rat rich environment.
And I can shoot off the back deck. Hearing protection not required, and pellets are cheap.
I participate in a few online, honor system air gun matches.

That second row of your IDPA targets, at what range are you shooting? What is the course of fire?

These reactive targets are a lot of fun. Nice change from shooting paper. I like you can see your POI as the pellet makes a mark in the white paint.
At 30yrds the head shot is actually easy.
At 40yrds is ok.
At 50yrds is when things get interesting. Not only the fundamentals but reading the wind.

I have also shot these targets at 100yrds. It is funny, at that range the pellet is in the air for 0.485 seconds according to Chairgun.
Then, PING!
And the target falls over.

Good times.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Mon May 15, 2017 10:36 am


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Guns • Accuracy challenge

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Using these targets: https://magnumtarget.com/products/knock … piece-set/

And a .22 caliber Air Rifle with match grade ammo. Any scope.
Take two of the targets, overlap them so the “heads” have a 1/4 inch gap between them. The front target is the hostage. The back target is the bad guy.
Shoot the bad guy in the head from the bi-pod supported prone at 30, 40 and 50 yards.

Have fun.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:34 pm


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Guns • Accuracy challenge

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Using these targets: https://magnumtarget.com/products/knock … piece-set/

And a .22 caliber Air Rifle with match grade ammo. Any scope.
Take two of the targets, overlap them so the “heads” have a 1/4 inch gap between them. The front target is the hostage. The back target is the bad guy.
Shoot the bad guy in the head from the bi-pod supported prone at 30, 40 and 50 yards.

Have fun.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:34 pm


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Re: Server Upgrade is Complete – Post Errors Here

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0

When logging in today, the server threw this error:

SQL ERROR [ mysql4 ]

Too many connections [1040]

BACKTRACE

FILE: includes/db/mysql.php
LINE: 93
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: common.php
LINE: 213
CALL: dbal_mysql->sql_connect()

FILE: ucp.php
LINE: 17
CALL: require(‘common.php’)

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:21 pm


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Re: Server Upgrade is Complete – Post Errors Here

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0

When logging in today, the server threw this error:

SQL ERROR [ mysql4 ]

Too many connections [1040]

BACKTRACE

FILE: includes/db/mysql.php
LINE: 93
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: common.php
LINE: 213
CALL: dbal_mysql->sql_connect()

FILE: ucp.php
LINE: 17
CALL: require(‘common.php’)

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:21 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: What Do You Expect To Achieve in a GDS

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
rickdun wrote:

Photon Guy wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:I think one of the bigger problems is question of when is the power coming back on. Many will assume it is a temporary event and wait for the lights to come back on. How long do you wait to do something like expand the garden? Use whatever remaining gas you have in the chainsaw to cut more firewood?

If I need firewood when the grid is down, even if it might be temporary, I will not use gas powered tools to get it. I will use an axe to cut firewood as I would not want to use any gas that I don’t have to. I learned my lesson during Sandy about always having gas on hand and not using it when you don’t need it.

If you’re waiting for the lights to go out and then cut firewood, you’re a day late and dollar short, you should already have a years worth just in case. My wife says I’m a beaver by nature. We use between 6 to 10 pickup loads a year (depending on the winter), I have 30 loads stacked for that grid down situation.

Like CastIron stated, the bigger problem is, when is the power coming back on.

Hey CI, glad you came back to the good old USofA. Any runs from China water? :shakeyes::shakeno:

You are correct about having a years worth on hand.
We take the fallen trees, cut split and stack it to season.
Then fell the additional trees, haul it, cut and split it to season.
Sure, rotating it is a chore, but it is what it is.
Fact of the matter is I could not cut and split using hand tools or I would require help and the use of a two man saw to get that much wood for heat and cooking. Lets face it, if we are using wood to cook with, I could nearly double the amount of wood needed for to cook with every day, even in the summer.
Time management is also an issue. There is a lot to be done with livestock, gardens, crops without the additional time taxing of the need to cut and split wood using hand tools.
At some point in a GDS everyone will be using hand tools. But then that is also when neighbors come together to help each other with those chores. Many hands make light and fast work.
My Amish neighbors do it, but they also have all those young men to do the labor, draft horses, ropes, block and tackle and flat bed wagons to haul the wood out of the forest.
If the GDS is a cyber attack or EMP, there is no dead fall from a storm.

Thank you for your warm welcome!
I was very careful as to what water I drank, so no gastrointestinal issues at all, even when I ate street food.
Red wine helped!

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:16 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: What Do You Expect To Achieve in a GDS

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
rickdun wrote:

Photon Guy wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:I think one of the bigger problems is question of when is the power coming back on. Many will assume it is a temporary event and wait for the lights to come back on. How long do you wait to do something like expand the garden? Use whatever remaining gas you have in the chainsaw to cut more firewood?

If I need firewood when the grid is down, even if it might be temporary, I will not use gas powered tools to get it. I will use an axe to cut firewood as I would not want to use any gas that I don’t have to. I learned my lesson during Sandy about always having gas on hand and not using it when you don’t need it.

If you’re waiting for the lights to go out and then cut firewood, you’re a day late and dollar short, you should already have a years worth just in case. My wife says I’m a beaver by nature. We use between 6 to 10 pickup loads a year (depending on the winter), I have 30 loads stacked for that grid down situation.

Like CastIron stated, the bigger problem is, when is the power coming back on.

Hey CI, glad you came back to the good old USofA. Any runs from China water? :shakeyes::shakeno:

You are correct about having a years worth on hand.
We take the fallen trees, cut split and stack it to season.
Then fell the additional trees, haul it, cut and split it to season.
Sure, rotating it is a chore, but it is what it is.
Fact of the matter is I could not cut and split using hand tools or I would require help and the use of a two man saw to get that much wood for heat and cooking. Lets face it, if we are using wood to cook with, I could nearly double the amount of wood needed for to cook with every day, even in the summer.
Time management is also an issue. There is a lot to be done with livestock, gardens, crops without the additional time taxing of the need to cut and split wood using hand tools.
At some point in a GDS everyone will be using hand tools. But then that is also when neighbors come together to help each other with those chores. Many hands make light and fast work.
My Amish neighbors do it, but they also have all those young men to do the labor, draft horses, ropes, block and tackle and flat bed wagons to haul the wood out of the forest.
If the GDS is a cyber attack or EMP, there is no dead fall from a storm.

Thank you for your warm welcome!
I was very careful as to what water I drank, so no gastrointestinal issues at all, even when I ate street food.
Red wine helped!

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:16 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: What Do You Expect To Achieve in a GDS

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Photon Guy wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:I think one of the bigger problems is question of when is the power coming back on. Many will assume it is a temporary event and wait for the lights to come back on. How long do you wait to do something like expand the garden? Use whatever remaining gas you have in the chainsaw to cut more firewood?

If I need firewood when the grid is down, even if it might be temporary, I will not use gas powered tools to get it. I will use an axe to cut firewood as I would not want to use any gas that I don’t have to. I learned my lesson during Sandy about always having gas on hand and not using it when you don’t need it.

I heat with wood.
I would consider the use of gas powered tools to acquire additional firewood for heating and cooking as a need when I have to cut and split 20 cords of wood.
I would also use the ATV to transport said wood to my home from the back forty.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:02 pm


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A.N.T.S. • Re: What Do You Expect To Achieve in a GDS

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Photon Guy wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:I think one of the bigger problems is question of when is the power coming back on. Many will assume it is a temporary event and wait for the lights to come back on. How long do you wait to do something like expand the garden? Use whatever remaining gas you have in the chainsaw to cut more firewood?

If I need firewood when the grid is down, even if it might be temporary, I will not use gas powered tools to get it. I will use an axe to cut firewood as I would not want to use any gas that I don’t have to. I learned my lesson during Sandy about always having gas on hand and not using it when you don’t need it.

I heat with wood.
I would consider the use of gas powered tools to acquire additional firewood for heating and cooking as a need when I have to cut and split 20 cords of wood.
I would also use the ATV to transport said wood to my home from the back forty.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 1:02 pm


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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: MAY 2017 – What Did You Do To Prep This Week/Month?

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Cin wrote:
Hey Reb,

Two fences, one about 6 feet inside of the other, will discourage deer jumping. They are afraid of getting hung up on the other one. They do not need to be the same heigth.

Not enough room to do that – unless we take out some trees.

Choice 2: Spray the leaves with Hot Pepper Wax made by Bonide. That’ll light ’em up. You can make your own spray from cayenne pepper and garlic. Warning. Will attract undocumented deer.

How much cayenne are we talking here? And those undocumented deer can be very troublesome…

Choice 3: Claymore mines. Warning. Will keep you awake at night.

Now, here’s an idea I can get behind – tell me more about these claymores! :D

I use this fencing for my goats, along with a 2joule energizer: https://www.premier1supplies.com/deer/f … nce_id=115
Not cheap, but it does work.

Here is an alternative to the claymores: https://www.amazon.com/Cyalume-ChemLigh … trip+flare

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 7:01 am


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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: MAY 2017 – What Did You Do To Prep This Week/Month?

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
Cin wrote:
Hey Reb,

Two fences, one about 6 feet inside of the other, will discourage deer jumping. They are afraid of getting hung up on the other one. They do not need to be the same heigth.

Not enough room to do that – unless we take out some trees.

Choice 2: Spray the leaves with Hot Pepper Wax made by Bonide. That’ll light ’em up. You can make your own spray from cayenne pepper and garlic. Warning. Will attract undocumented deer.

How much cayenne are we talking here? And those undocumented deer can be very troublesome…

Choice 3: Claymore mines. Warning. Will keep you awake at night.

Now, here’s an idea I can get behind – tell me more about these claymores! :D

I use this fencing for my goats, along with a 2joule energizer: https://www.premier1supplies.com/deer/f … nce_id=115
Not cheap, but it does work.

Here is an alternative to the claymores: https://www.amazon.com/Cyalume-ChemLigh … trip+flare

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 7:01 am


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A.N.T.S. • Re: What Do You Expect To Achieve in a GDS

May 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0

@Cadit, great question.

@Driven, great response.
I find myself in your #1 and #2 categories.
I look at friends and neighbors for their skillsets, assets and liabilities. While I have accumulated a vast skillset and knowledge base, I can not do everything on my own. Nor do I have all the knowledge. I look for others whose skillset or knowledge base compliment my own, or fill gaps I may lack.

The #3, Spider-people: while amusing in their zeal and insistence of how things will all go down, they are good examples of differing mindsets. They provide good insight into that type of mindset.
Beware the Spider-people.

I think one of the bigger problems is question of when is the power coming back on. Many will assume it is a temporary event and wait for the lights to come back on. How long do you wait to do something like expand the garden? Use whatever remaining gas you have in the chainsaw to cut more firewood?

A few winters ago, the blower to the furnace broke. It would be two days before the repair guy could get the replacement part and out to me to fix it. Of course this is when it was in the single digits for highs. The house got down to 40 degrees. I kept the furnace going to prevent the pipes from freezing. Meanwhile, I wore a cotton tee-shirt, heavy weight performance top and bottom base layers, fleece zip up, jeans, expedition weight wool socks and a knit wool hat. At night, a few extra blankets, the dogs and close the bedroom door.
With the right clothing, survival in the cold is very doable.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sun May 14, 2017 6:54 am


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Prepper Fiction • Re: The Fall

May 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Greetings and salutations dear readers,

I apologize for my absence. I was in China for the past month. Internet access was . . . interesting to say the least.
Regardless, if you ever get the chance, by all means, go to China. Shanghai, Beijing were simply awesome. The Great Wall, the Forbidden City are a must see.
The food was fantastic. I will never be able to have carry out and look at it the same ever again.

Here is the next episode. This is a flash back episode bear in mind. If I did not make that clear leading up to this, please let me know.
Enjoy.

“Good thing we did not drive,” Jack observed as he and Jess walked up to the town hall from home. The town hall parking lot at capacity, people were forced to park their cars in the church parking lot across the street, some were even parking on the side of the road. It was early June. The sun was still well above the horizon, but it was going to be a cool evening. They both wore light jackets. As they passed the packed parking lot for the town hall entrance, a group of half a dozen smokers stood off to one side.
“ . . . telling you it is a soft coup!”
“How can you have a soft coup?”
“Doesn’t the military have to be involved for it to be a coup?”
“Well, all I know is there were tanks and troops by the Washington Memorial.”
“That got debunked twenty minutes after it got posted to the internet. You have heard of photoshop haven’t you?”
“What about the news video of troops outside the Capital building? The White House? Is that photoshop too?”
Jack opened the wooden door for Jess and they walked into a small anteroom full of people. Most were in small groups or pairs talking among themselves. There was a short line for a coffee station in the corner.
Jack leaned in close to Jess for her to hear him over the various conversations going on, “Would you like coffee?”
She shook her head, “Lets make our way into the hall and find some seats before they are all gone.”
As they slowly made their way through the crowd, they passed a older gentleman in some casual but designer polo shirt and slacks with a paper cup of coffee in one hand.
“I am saying is to look at this as an opportunity,” he was saying to another man. “Sure. It is a correction. We all knew the market was overvalued and a correction was on the way. I am surprised it has not happened sooner. But this is the time to buy, not sell!” He lifted the cup of coffee higher to emphasize his point.
“What about all the rich leaving the cities?”
The coffee cup raised again. “The rich are not leaving the city. They are looking for an opportunity. Leaving the city is just an internet rumor, a hoax,” the coffee cup dismissed the idea.
Jess lead Jack past the two men through a opening between a few groups as they neared the main hall door.
“. . . canceled her sold out concert an hour before it was to start, took her whole entourage, got on a helicopter and took off. Something happened and the helicopter crashed in the harbor. The Coast Guard had boats out there around the wreckage looking for survivors,” a young woman was telling three others.
“Why would she do that? She loves her fans! They are everything to her.”
“I saw a post of a guy who runs a helicopter taxi service in the city. He said he has flown a lot of rich and powerful people out of the city and all the other helicopter taxi services are doing the same thing.”
Jess and Jack made it though the door. Two men stood on either side of the doorway.
“ . . . not just Chicago that is out. The whole region is without power. Everything from Milwaukee, to Chicago, all the way over to Fort Wayne. Parts of Michigan too.”
“I heard it was a EMP attack by North Korea.”
“Why would they attack the Mid-West and not the West coast, or DC for that matter?”
“Who knows! That Kim guy is a loon. He had his girlfriend executed with an anti-aircraft gun. I dunno, maybe he hates the Cubs.”
Jess and Jack walked down the center isle way. There were still seats available, but the hall was filling up quickly as six o’clock approached.
“There,” Jack pointed. “Walt and Terry, next to Jerry and Cathy.”
“Hi,” Jess said to them. “Are these seats taken?”
“They are now,” Terry smiled. Everyone said their hellos as Jess and Jack took the two seats. Jess removed her jacket as the room was already warm and stuffy.
“What have you heard,” Jess asked them as she folded her jacket and sat down.
“Too much crazy is what I have heard,” Walt exclaimed shaking his head, leaning on his cane. Terry continued for him, “None of the news stations can agree on what is going on.”
“A news station will report one thing, and not ten seconds later another station will report the exact opposite,” Jerry exclaimed.
“I tuned into NPR earlier this afternoon,” Cathy said, “They are reporting just about everything all the other news stations are reporting, but saying none of it is confirmed.”
“All of them keep replaying the videos of California and DC. There are a few new reports of similar incidents happening in other big cities too,” Jerry said.
“Did you hear what happened to Dan Miller,” Walt asked. Jack shook his head. “Dan had just dropped off a truck load of scrap metal at the recycling plant just outside of the city. Well, he had to fill up his dump truck before he got back on the highway. While he was pumping diesel, a few hooligans came up to him and asked him where he was from. All he said was he was not from around there and they started beating on him. That is all it took. He was not from around there and they beat him for no go reason.” Walt shook his head again.
“Not just Dan Miller,” a woman sitting in the row in front of them turned and said. “My sister lives in the city. She said there was a car load of people driving around, shouting and threating people. Even getting out of their car and waving around tire irons and baseball bats. They took off when the police came-.”
A door to a side room opened and the town council filed in and took their seats, the room began to settle as everyone stopped their conversations, took their seats and waited for the meeting to begin.
“Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming,” one of the council person said, a small plaque in front of her read Constance Curtshaw. She shuffled some papers, glancing around the full room. “Clearly this is not a normal town meeting.” If she meant it as a joke, no one picked up on it. There was a tension in the room. She glanced around again. She was clearly uncomfortable. “Let us not pretend. These are extraordinary times, troubling times. We, uh, we, the council have seen what many of you have seen on the news and the internet. We have reached out to the state authorities, but no one had returned our calls.”
The hall burst into a cacophony of chaotic conversation. Jess and Jack just watched the council. Constance had to shout several times to get the crowd to settle down enough for her to continue.
“We are . . . we are reviewing the town’s emergency preparedness plan-”
“What about the power outages in the Mid-West,” someone shouted. Several more people added other news reports.
“We do not have any information on any of those events. We know just as much as you do from what is being reported in the news.”

An hour later the council quickly adjourned the meeting, and just as quickly left the main hall room. People were filing out of the hall, Jess, Jack and the others waited for the rush to thin out.
“What do you think,” Jack asked Jess.
“They are out of their element,” Jess said quietly.
Jack nodded. “Lets get a few of our friends and neighbors together for a meeting. Tonight.”

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Sat May 13, 2017 3:36 pm


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Prepper Fiction • Re: The Fall

May 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0

Greetings and salutations dear readers,

I apologize for my absence. I was in China for the past month. Internet access was . . . interesting to say the least.
Regardless, if you ever get the chance, by all means, go to China. Shanghai, Beijing were simply awesome. The Great Wall, the Forbidden City are a must see.
The food was fantastic. I will never be able to have carry out and look at it the same ever again.

Here is the next episode. This is a flash back episode bear in mind. If I did not make that clear leading up to this, please let me know.
Enjoy.

“Good thing we did not drive,” Jack observed as he and Jess walked up to the town hall from home. The town hall parking lot at capacity, people were forced to park their cars in the church parking lot across the street, some were even parking on the side of the road. It was early June. The sun was still well above the horizon, but it was going to be a cool evening. They both wore light jackets. As they passed the packed parking lot for the town hall entrance, a group of half a dozen smokers stood off to one side.
“ . . . telling you it is a soft coup!”
“How can you have a soft coup?”
“Doesn’t the military have to be involved for it to be a coup?”
“Well, all I know is there were tanks and troops by the Washington Memorial.”
“That got debunked twenty minutes after it got posted to the internet. You have heard of photoshop haven’t you?”
“What about the news video of troops outside the Capital building? The White House? Is that photoshop too?”
Jack opened the wooden door for Jess and they walked into a small anteroom full of people. Most were in small groups or pairs talking among themselves. There was a short line for a coffee station in the corner.
Jack leaned in close to Jess for her to hear him over the various conversations going on, “Would you like coffee?”
She shook her head, “Lets make our way into the hall and find some seats before they are all gone.”
As they slowly made their way through the crowd, they passed a older gentleman in some casual but designer polo shirt and slacks with a paper cup of coffee in one hand.
“I am saying is to look at this as an opportunity,” he was saying to another man. “Sure. It is a correction. We all knew the market was overvalued and a correction was on the way. I am surprised it has not happened sooner. But this is the time to buy, not sell!” He lifted the cup of coffee higher to emphasize his point.
“What about all the rich leaving the cities?”
The coffee cup raised again. “The rich are not leaving the city. They are looking for an opportunity. Leaving the city is just an internet rumor, a hoax,” the coffee cup dismissed the idea.
Jess lead Jack past the two men through a opening between a few groups as they neared the main hall door.
“. . . canceled her sold out concert an hour before it was to start, took her whole entourage, got on a helicopter and took off. Something happened and the helicopter crashed in the harbor. The Coast Guard had boats out there around the wreckage looking for survivors,” a young woman was telling three others.
“Why would she do that? She loves her fans! They are everything to her.”
“I saw a post of a guy who runs a helicopter taxi service in the city. He said he has flown a lot of rich and powerful people out of the city and all the other helicopter taxi services are doing the same thing.”
Jess and Jack made it though the door. Two men stood on either side of the doorway.
“ . . . not just Chicago that is out. The whole region is without power. Everything from Milwaukee, to Chicago, all the way over to Fort Wayne. Parts of Michigan too.”
“I heard it was a EMP attack by North Korea.”
“Why would they attack the Mid-West and not the West coast, or DC for that matter?”
“Who knows! That Kim guy is a loon. He had his girlfriend executed with an anti-aircraft gun. I dunno, maybe he hates the Cubs.”
Jess and Jack walked down the center isle way. There were still seats available, but the hall was filling up quickly as six o’clock approached.
“There,” Jack pointed. “Walt and Terry, next to Jerry and Cathy.”
“Hi,” Jess said to them. “Are these seats taken?”
“They are now,” Terry smiled. Everyone said their hellos as Jess and Jack took the two seats. Jess removed her jacket as the room was already warm and stuffy.
“What have you heard,” Jess asked them as she folded her jacket and sat down.
“Too much crazy is what I have heard,” Walt exclaimed shaking his head, leaning on his cane. Terry continued for him, “None of the news stations can agree on what is going on.”
“A news station will report one thing, and not ten seconds later another station will report the exact opposite,” Jerry exclaimed.
“I tuned into NPR earlier this afternoon,” Cathy said, “They are reporting just about everything all the other news stations are reporting, but saying none of it is confirmed.”
“All of them keep replaying the videos of California and DC. There are a few new reports of similar incidents happening in other big cities too,” Jerry said.
“Did you hear what happened to Dan Miller,” Walt asked. Jack shook his head. “Dan had just dropped off a truck load of scrap metal at the recycling plant just outside of the city. Well, he had to fill up his dump truck before he got back on the highway. While he was pumping diesel, a few hooligans came up to him and asked him where he was from. All he said was he was not from around there and they started beating on him. That is all it took. He was not from around there and they beat him for no go reason.” Walt shook his head again.
“Not just Dan Miller,” a woman sitting in the row in front of them turned and said. “My sister lives in the city. She said there was a car load of people driving around, shouting and threating people. Even getting out of their car and waving around tire irons and baseball bats. They took off when the police came-.”
A door to a side room opened and the town council filed in and took their seats, the room began to settle as everyone stopped their conversations, took their seats and waited for the meeting to begin.
“Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming,” one of the council person said, a small plaque in front of her read Constance Curtshaw. She shuffled some papers, glancing around the full room. “Clearly this is not a normal town meeting.” If she meant it as a joke, no one picked up on it. There was a tension in the room. She glanced around again. She was clearly uncomfortable. “Let us not pretend. These are extraordinary times, troubling times. We, uh, we, the council have seen what many of you have seen on the news and the internet. We have reached out to the state authorities, but no one had returned our calls.”
The hall burst into a cacophony of chaotic conversation. Jess and Jack just watched the council. Constance had to shout several times to get the crowd to settle down enough for her to continue.
“We are . . . we are reviewing the town’s emergency preparedness plan-”
“What about the power outages in the Mid-West,” someone shouted. Several more people added other news reports.
“We do not have any information on any of those events. We know just as much as you do from what is being reported in the news.”

An hour later the council quickly adjourned the meeting, and just as quickly left the main hall room. People were filing out of the hall, Jess, Jack and the others waited for the rush to thin out.
“What do you think,” Jack asked Jess.
“They are out of their element,” Jess said quietly.
Jack nodded. “Lets get a few of our friends and neighbors together for a meeting. Tonight.”

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May 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0
handyman777 wrote:
Glad to see ya back… I was wondering what happened to ya.

Good read…I look forward to it.

Thank you for your concern Handy.
Last night was the first night I slept the whole night through (2100 till 0700).
I even had dreams.

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May 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0
handyman777 wrote:
Glad to see ya back… I was wondering what happened to ya.

Good read…I look forward to it.

Thank you for your concern Handy.
Last night was the first night I slept the whole night through (2100 till 0700).
I even had dreams.

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May 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
pilgrimtr wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:

pilgrimtr wrote:Thank you Cast Iron,
I will keep reading if you will keep posting ;) And I won’t scold you. unless you need it. pilgrim :lol:

No worries Pilgrim.
Occasionally I need the kick in the posterior end to keep at it and stop looking at cookbooks.

I have the first town meeting written and a few re-writes, but it still needs something . . .
Need to post it soon, least NK does something crazy, that in alone in itself is highly amusing. The first draft of the first town meeting I mention NK before all this craZy started in the real world.

Here’s your kick in the pants cast iron it’s been a month :x Pilgrim

Sorry Pilgrim, I have been in China for the past month.

Still recovering from the jetlag.

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April 16, 2017 Cast Iron 0
BK in KC wrote:

Cast Iron wrote:Your facts do not reflect my personal experience or observations.

You stick with your facts.

I will stick with my personal experience and observations.

That’s fine except we’re giving advice to a person on a firearm that she may need to use to defend her life. If not for that I’d have no problem to agree to disagree.

object

How is it my fault to advise her to use quality ammunition that will fire every single time vs your advise to use faulty ammunition that may or may not fire?
I recommend anyone to use quality ammunition.
Not the Wal-Mart, bargain box green and yellow or white box ammunition.
You think Olympic biathlons use Remington, Winchester, or CCI?
No. They use Lapua, SK, RWS, Eley.

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April 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
BK in KC wrote:
There is a reason the old Henry rifles that fired .44 rimfire used dual firing pins. Just saying.

The reliability issue is a limitation of physics. Rimfire cartridges have a thin hollow rim and the primer is “spun” into the hollow rim. Trouble is the priming compound isn’t always distributed evenly and sometimes doesn’t ignite when crushed. This makes rimfite inherently less reliable than centerfire.

Your facts do not reflect my personal experience or observations.

You stick with your facts.

I will stick with my personal experience and observations.

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April 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
oldasrocks wrote:
Aunt Bee, Could you handle a P-90? No recoil, holds 21 rounds I think but it is a full sized pistol. Their kinda pricey though but accurate to 200 yards.

P90?
Or Five-seveN?

I do not think either are NY compliant.

Pending her eyesight, she may be better off with a .22LR that can accommodate a red dot or EO vs. iron sights.

Laser could be an option as well.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:43 pm


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April 14, 2017 Cast Iron 0
oldasrocks wrote:
Aunt Bee, Could you handle a P-90? No recoil, holds 21 rounds I think but it is a full sized pistol. Their kinda pricey though but accurate to 200 yards.

P90?
Or Five-seveN?

I do not think either are NY compliant.

Pending her eyesight, she may be better off with a .22LR that can accommodate a red dot or EO vs. iron sights.

Laser could be an option as well.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:43 pm


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Prepper Fiction • Re: The Fall

April 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0
pilgrimtr wrote:
Thank you Cast Iron,
I will keep reading if you will keep posting ;) And I won’t scold you. unless you need it. pilgrim :lol:

No worries Pilgrim.
Occasionally I need the kick in the posterior end to keep at it and stop looking at cookbooks.

I have the first town meeting written and a few re-writes, but it still needs something . . .
Need to post it soon, least NK does something crazy, that in alone in itself is highly amusing. The first draft of the first town meeting I mention NK before all this craZy started in the real world.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:39 am


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April 13, 2017 Cast Iron 0
pilgrimtr wrote:
Thank you Cast Iron,
I will keep reading if you will keep posting ;) And I won’t scold you. unless you need it. pilgrim :lol:

No worries Pilgrim.
Occasionally I need the kick in the posterior end to keep at it and stop looking at cookbooks.

I have the first town meeting written and a few re-writes, but it still needs something . . .
Need to post it soon, least NK does something crazy, that in alone in itself is highly amusing. The first draft of the first town meeting I mention NK before all this craZy started in the real world.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:39 am


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April 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
BK in KC wrote:

Cast Iron wrote: As for failure to fire, if you use quality ammunition will mitigate some if not all of those issues.
And, keep it reasonably clean.

I have experienced failure to fire even with premium match-grade .22 ammo. Better ammo does help but rimfire is inherently less reliable than center-fire ammo. It’s just a fact.

I ran several hundred rounds of Eley through a old Ruger MKII. Did not clean it once.
No issues.
I have had the same results with Lapua, SK, RWS.
Just saying.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:37 am


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April 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0
BK in KC wrote:

Cast Iron wrote: As for failure to fire, if you use quality ammunition will mitigate some if not all of those issues.
And, keep it reasonably clean.

I have experienced failure to fire even with premium match-grade .22 ammo. Better ammo does help but rimfire is inherently less reliable than center-fire ammo. It’s just a fact.

I ran several hundred rounds of Eley through a old Ruger MKII. Did not clean it once.
No issues.
I have had the same results with Lapua, SK, RWS.
Just saying.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:37 am


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April 12, 2017 Cast Iron 0

The garden cart wobbled behind Jack as he strained to pull it across the field and up next to the raised bed garden box. The ‘box’ was more like a five foot wide by fifty foot long rectangle. It was the fourth new raised bed they built since that morning using slab wood they got from the Amish. Originally they were going to use the slab wood to make some rustic chairs, tables, and a coffee table for the back yard. Now their would be patio furniture was going to help them increase their food production.
Jack used the back of his work gloves to brush the sweat from his brow. His watch indicated it was in the upper sixties, the barometer was high and holding steady. Hauling cow, goat, and rabbit compost aged for two years from the back of the barn to the new gardens was a work out.
Jess was equally sweaty and dirty as she stood in the box, spreading out the compost into a six inch thick layer. They both paused, taking a moment to rest.
“What do you think?” Jess asked.
“About what?” Jack panted.
“The new gardens. Be enough?”
“Well, these new four, with the other three that is about 1,750 square feet of planting space. But we are doing the Three Sisters with the corn, the beans and squash. We train the cukes, and melons on the edges of the boxes into the space in between the boxes. So, that can gain us some more planting space. Go vertical where we can.”
“Do not forget the runner beans in the containers along the backyard fencing.”
“Right, that is another, what, 200 liner feet for beans. The potatoes in the tyre beds did really well last year. Plenty of unused tyres to be had. We can plant beets, carrots, in those too.” He paused. “It can not be worse than last year.” He gave her a reassuring smile. She smiled and they got back to work.

An hour and half and a dozen carts of compost later, Jack and Jess sat down at the picnic table with a pitcher of tea between them.
“Thank goodness wild mint comes up so early,” Jess took a sip of the mint tea. “I was getting bored with that industrial tea we traded for.”
“It got us through the winter.”
“I know.” She sighed, “What I would do for a cup of real coffee. The good stuff. Not that burnt crap in the green and white bag.”
“Yeah.” He changed topics, “As long as we do not have any catastrophic incidents, like a drought or flooding, I think we will be ok. We have the gardens. The winter wheat I plated last year will be ready by mid summer. The spring wheat I planted a month or so ago will be ready in late fall. Keep half for flour, the other half for seed.” He took a sip of his tea. “The goats kidded out, doubling the herd size. Sally farrowed ten good looking piglets. Not bad for her first litter.”
“The chickens are going to need replaced. This is their third year. We are not getting as many eggs.”
“Well, that should settle up our trade with Greg: three gallons of maple syrup, ten cords of seasoned fire wood, cut, split and delivered. And figure forty replacement chicks, half hens, half roos. Should be a good deal for one fully grown hog. In the mean time, we have stew birds for Sunday dinner for fifteen Sundays.”
“You know we have never gone though ten cords of wood in a winter. We still have three in the wood shed.”
“True enough. But we are cooking with wood nearly every day now. I want to build up a few extra cords every year so we will have two years worth at any given time. We will use whatever dead fall out on our land to cook with.”
“Well howdy stranger!” Jess called over Jack’s shoulder as Claire was walking up to the picnic table. “Have not seen you in a few days, was beginning to think Jack’s stink offended you!”
“It should!” Jack said.
Claire smiled at the ground, and blushed.
“I have been over to your house nearly every day since I came here. I thought maybe you and Jack might like some time alone without me always around.”
“Nonsense, Claire! You are always welcome. Have a seat, I will get you a glass for some mint tea. Got to make a head call anyways.” Jack got up and went into the farm house.
“I-, I went and saw Mrs. Anderson like you suggested,” Claire said quietly as she took a seat across from Jess.
‘Oh?”
“Yes. We are going to meet once a week . . . to talk about things.”
“Good, that is good.”
“Yeah. She said I should start a journal and write down my thoughts . . . if I could find any paper and something to write with.” Claire smiled.
Jess gave her a reassuring smile back. “Yes, paper is kind of hard to come by. Who would of thought how valuable it would be. I will keep my eyes out for some at the market for you.”
“Oh, no, that is ok. Mrs. Anderson told me I should,” Claire rolled her eyes but blushed, “I should talk out loud about things, and then think on them from a third person point of view.”
“Well if that works, then it works right?”
“Yeah, but it kind weird pacing around the house talking to myself,” Claire made a face but then smiled and laughed.
“What is so funny,” Jack returned, took a seat next to Jess, and poured Claire a glass of tea.
“Oh, nothing. Thank you,” Claire said as she took the glass from Jack. “So, what are you two talking about?” Claire changed the conversation.
Jack and Jess gave each other a look and then began to laugh.
“What else does it seem like we are always talking about,” Jack asked.
“Food!” Jess answered.
“Speaking of food,” Claire straightened up in her seat and announced proudly, “I made my first rabbit stew last night.”
“Hey! Good for you!”
“How did it go?” Jess asked.
“Well, the slaughtering was not easy. Gutting is just gross, so is skinning. But I am confident I can do it again. And my stew turned out pretty good if I do say so myself. Thank you for the rabbit.”
“Hey, no need to say thank you. You earned that rabbit helping Jess muck out the barn while I was out with the livestock.”
“The two litters of rabbits we had over the winter will be ready soon. You help us plant seeds tomorrow in trade for your own breed pair. Deal?” Jess held out her hand.
“Deal!” Jess and Claire shook. “What are we planting?”
“Well, I have a flat of broccoli seedlings, a flat of cabbage seedlings, a flat of beet seedlings that all need transplanted. Then I have two flats of different herb seedlings. Basil, parsley, tarragon, marjoram, and dill. Seeds: chard, carrots, beets, rutabaga, parsnips, lettuce, and some others I am forgetting.”
“That is a lot.”
“We are expanding,” Jess explained, “Last year was rough. Like ‘are we going to make it?’ rough.”
“We got a late start with the gardens,” Jack added.
“Why is that?” Claire asked.
Both Jess and Jack went quiet. Their bodies seemed to stiffen.
“Some things happened last year,” Jack said quietly and glanced down at the table. He did not offer further explanation.
“The War?” Claire pressed. Jack’s head snapped up, then he looked to Jess. Neither said anything. “I hear it mentioned once in awhile but only in passing. At the market. At other gatherings.” Claire continued. “But just as it is mentioned, they change the subject. What happened?”
“It is a long, and not very pretty story,” Jack stated after a pause.
Claire simply shrugged.
Jack looked at Jess, “Where do we start?”
Jess thought for a moment.
“The first town hall meeting,” she answered.

Statistics: Posted by Cast Iron — Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:30 am