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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 23, 2017 anita 0

[quote=”PatrioticStabilist”]Remember many of these people may very well have jobs, they aren’t making enough to qualify
and pay the exorbitant rentals being charged.

Here where we live we have rentals, right now only 5, plus a bit of farmland rented and we bought
a building the local post office rents. We rent slightly below market, hubby and I need to make a profit but
we are not trying to gouge anyone. We get calls daily looking for places to rent. He is working on 2 more
now and will have one ready in a couple of months. We want to make sure people can live, we have always
done it this way. Make sure they are well insulated, all systems are functioning, generally heating and
cooling systems updated too. We want people to get value for their money. We have loyal renters.
Sure we could make a lot more money, but as hubby says we have enough. That’s what burns me about
so many very wealthy, they want it all and more, they do not want to share with the people that make
them wealthy at all. After you have so many millions or billions, what is the point of hoarding more?

Good grief. So people who are wealthy only worry about themselves? I can tell you that, without question, that is patently false. There are many wealthy people who do much to take care of employees, or donate to charities, or whatever. Being poor doesn’t make someone a good or honest person. To lump people into “good” or “bad” based on their wealth is absurd.

Husband wants to get 2 more, but I for one am tired and getting old and also even here prices for these
old houses are priced way beyond what we want to pay now so we can keep our rents low. And now because
the state has reduced monies to our counties and towns, local property taxes must be raised and they
have even raised local option taxes so hard for us to hold rents down and make a decent return. People
here are very priced out of the market too, but we don’t see homeless around here. They are likely couch
surfing with friends or relatives. It would be hard to do here anyway, especially in cold weather, they
would die even in tents.

No, the county and towns are spending more than they have. The state has also spent more than they have, so they are reining in spending. The towns and counties should also reduce spending rather than depend on taxpayer handouts.

Statistics: Posted by anita — Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:03 pm


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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 23, 2017 anita 0

[quote=”PatrioticStabilist”]Remember many of these people may very well have jobs, they aren’t making enough to qualify
and pay the exorbitant rentals being charged.

Here where we live we have rentals, right now only 5, plus a bit of farmland rented and we bought
a building the local post office rents. We rent slightly below market, hubby and I need to make a profit but
we are not trying to gouge anyone. We get calls daily looking for places to rent. He is working on 2 more
now and will have one ready in a couple of months. We want to make sure people can live, we have always
done it this way. Make sure they are well insulated, all systems are functioning, generally heating and
cooling systems updated too. We want people to get value for their money. We have loyal renters.
Sure we could make a lot more money, but as hubby says we have enough. That’s what burns me about
so many very wealthy, they want it all and more, they do not want to share with the people that make
them wealthy at all. After you have so many millions or billions, what is the point of hoarding more?

Good grief. So people who are wealthy only worry about themselves? I can tell you that, without question, that is patently false. There are many wealthy people who do much to take care of employees, or donate to charities, or whatever. Being poor doesn’t make someone a good or honest person. To lump people into “good” or “bad” based on their wealth is absurd.

Husband wants to get 2 more, but I for one am tired and getting old and also even here prices for these
old houses are priced way beyond what we want to pay now so we can keep our rents low. And now because
the state has reduced monies to our counties and towns, local property taxes must be raised and they
have even raised local option taxes so hard for us to hold rents down and make a decent return. People
here are very priced out of the market too, but we don’t see homeless around here. They are likely couch
surfing with friends or relatives. It would be hard to do here anyway, especially in cold weather, they
would die even in tents.

No, the county and towns are spending more than they have. The state has also spent more than they have, so they are reining in spending. The towns and counties should also reduce spending rather than depend on taxpayer handouts.

Statistics: Posted by anita — Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:03 pm


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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 23, 2017 anita 0

[quote=”PatrioticStabilist”]Remember many of these people may very well have jobs, they aren’t making enough to qualify
and pay the exorbitant rentals being charged.

Here where we live we have rentals, right now only 5, plus a bit of farmland rented and we bought
a building the local post office rents. We rent slightly below market, hubby and I need to make a profit but
we are not trying to gouge anyone. We get calls daily looking for places to rent. He is working on 2 more
now and will have one ready in a couple of months. We want to make sure people can live, we have always
done it this way. Make sure they are well insulated, all systems are functioning, generally heating and
cooling systems updated too. We want people to get value for their money. We have loyal renters.
Sure we could make a lot more money, but as hubby says we have enough. That’s what burns me about
so many very wealthy, they want it all and more, they do not want to share with the people that make
them wealthy at all. After you have so many millions or billions, what is the point of hoarding more?

Good grief. So people who are wealthy only worry about themselves? I can tell you that, without question, that is patently false. There are many wealthy people who do much to take care of employees, or donate to charities, or whatever. Being poor doesn’t make someone a good or honest person. To lump people into “good” or “bad” based on their wealth is absurd.

Husband wants to get 2 more, but I for one am tired and getting old and also even here prices for these
old houses are priced way beyond what we want to pay now so we can keep our rents low. And now because
the state has reduced monies to our counties and towns, local property taxes must be raised and they
have even raised local option taxes so hard for us to hold rents down and make a decent return. People
here are very priced out of the market too, but we don’t see homeless around here. They are likely couch
surfing with friends or relatives. It would be hard to do here anyway, especially in cold weather, they
would die even in tents.

No, the county and towns are spending more than they have. The state has also spent more than they have, so they are reining in spending. The towns and counties should also reduce spending rather than depend on taxpayer handouts.

Statistics: Posted by anita — Tue Aug 22, 2017 8:03 pm


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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 22, 2017 NJMike 0

Been picking the peppers and tomatoes. It’s been a very good yield in the container garden, and perhaps even better than when I had plants in the ground. Hmm…going to chalk that up to fresh “organic” soil and more frequent watering. :lol:

Picked up a few items for the mountain bike like a small pump/repair kit and rear tire rack.

Found a 2nd hand lockable truck box at a low price of $75. I thought that was a good deal and I can now place more items in the truck without them getting in the way.

In the medical arena, I’ve added more supplies and began learning about starting an IV.

Statistics: Posted by NJMike — Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm


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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 22, 2017 NJMike 0

Been picking the peppers and tomatoes. It’s been a very good yield in the container garden, and perhaps even better than when I had plants in the ground. Hmm…going to chalk that up to fresh “organic” soil and more frequent watering. :lol:

Picked up a few items for the mountain bike like a small pump/repair kit and rear tire rack.

Found a 2nd hand lockable truck box at a low price of $75. I thought that was a good deal and I can now place more items in the truck without them getting in the way.

In the medical arena, I’ve added more supplies and began learning about starting an IV.

Statistics: Posted by NJMike — Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm


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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 22, 2017 NJMike 0

Been picking the peppers and tomatoes. It’s been a very good yield in the container garden, and perhaps even better than when I had plants in the ground. Hmm…going to chalk that up to fresh “organic” soil and more frequent watering. :lol:

Picked up a few items for the mountain bike like a small pump/repair kit and rear tire rack.

Found a 2nd hand lockable truck box at a low price of $75. I thought that was a good deal and I can now place more items in the truck without them getting in the way.

In the medical arena, I’ve added more supplies and began learning about starting an IV.

Statistics: Posted by NJMike — Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm


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General Preparedness Discussion • Re: August 2017 – What Did YOU Do To Prep this Week/Month?

August 22, 2017 NJMike 0

Been picking the peppers and tomatoes. It’s been a very good yield in the container garden, and perhaps even better than when I had plants in the ground. Hmm…going to chalk that up to fresh “organic” soil and more frequent watering. :lol:

Picked up a few items for the mountain bike like a small pump/repair kit and rear tire rack.

Found a 2nd hand lockable truck box at a low price of $75. I thought that was a good deal and I can now place more items in the truck without them getting in the way.

In the medical arena, I’ve added more supplies and began learning about starting an IV.

Statistics: Posted by NJMike — Tue Aug 22, 2017 6:39 pm


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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 22, 2017 PatrioticStabilist 0

Remember many of these people may very well have jobs, they aren’t making enough to qualify
and pay the exorbitant rentals being charged.

Here where we live we have rentals, right now only 5, plus a bit of farmland rented and we bought
a building the local post office rents. We rent slightly below market, hubby and I need to make a profit but
we are not trying to gouge anyone. We get calls daily looking for places to rent. He is working on 2 more
now and will have one ready in a couple of months. We want to make sure people can live, we have always
done it this way. Make sure they are well insulated, all systems are functioning, generally heating and
cooling systems updated too. We want people to get value for their money. We have loyal renters.
Sure we could make a lot more money, but as hubby says we have enough. That’s what burns me about
so many very wealthy, they want it all and more, they do not want to share with the people that make
them wealthy at all. After you have so many millions or billions, what is the point of hoarding more?

Husband wants to get 2 more, but I for one am tired and getting old and also even here prices for these
old houses are priced way beyond what we want to pay now so we can keep our rents low. And now because
the state has reduced monies to our counties and towns, local property taxes must be raised and they
have even raised local option taxes so hard for us to hold rents down and make a decent return. People
here are very priced out of the market too, but we don’t see homeless around here. They are likely couch
surfing with friends or relatives. It would be hard to do here anyway, especially in cold weather, they
would die even in tents.

This is happening on a much larger scale elsewhere, not sure how it will end, I think just more and more
homeless. A lot of it is also people not taking care of their credit and having a bad score can’t even
qualify for a rental. But if no insurance and they have an illness or people are living one paycheck from being
homeless, its hard for them to worry about stuff like credit scores. I don’t think it will get better either.
And, of course, you just have some people that make bad choices and will never learn no matter what they
make. Homelessness is a complicated issue for sure.

Statistics: Posted by PatrioticStabilist — Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:34 pm


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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 22, 2017 PatrioticStabilist 0

Remember many of these people may very well have jobs, they aren’t making enough to qualify
and pay the exorbitant rentals being charged.

Here where we live we have rentals, right now only 5, plus a bit of farmland rented and we bought
a building the local post office rents. We rent slightly below market, hubby and I need to make a profit but
we are not trying to gouge anyone. We get calls daily looking for places to rent. He is working on 2 more
now and will have one ready in a couple of months. We want to make sure people can live, we have always
done it this way. Make sure they are well insulated, all systems are functioning, generally heating and
cooling systems updated too. We want people to get value for their money. We have loyal renters.
Sure we could make a lot more money, but as hubby says we have enough. That’s what burns me about
so many very wealthy, they want it all and more, they do not want to share with the people that make
them wealthy at all. After you have so many millions or billions, what is the point of hoarding more?

Husband wants to get 2 more, but I for one am tired and getting old and also even here prices for these
old houses are priced way beyond what we want to pay now so we can keep our rents low. And now because
the state has reduced monies to our counties and towns, local property taxes must be raised and they
have even raised local option taxes so hard for us to hold rents down and make a decent return. People
here are very priced out of the market too, but we don’t see homeless around here. They are likely couch
surfing with friends or relatives. It would be hard to do here anyway, especially in cold weather, they
would die even in tents.

This is happening on a much larger scale elsewhere, not sure how it will end, I think just more and more
homeless. A lot of it is also people not taking care of their credit and having a bad score can’t even
qualify for a rental. But if no insurance and they have an illness or people are living one paycheck from being
homeless, its hard for them to worry about stuff like credit scores. I don’t think it will get better either.
And, of course, you just have some people that make bad choices and will never learn no matter what they
make. Homelessness is a complicated issue for sure.

Statistics: Posted by PatrioticStabilist — Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:34 pm


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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 22, 2017 PatrioticStabilist 0

Remember many of these people may very well have jobs, they aren’t making enough to qualify
and pay the exorbitant rentals being charged.

Here where we live we have rentals, right now only 5, plus a bit of farmland rented and we bought
a building the local post office rents. We rent slightly below market, hubby and I need to make a profit but
we are not trying to gouge anyone. We get calls daily looking for places to rent. He is working on 2 more
now and will have one ready in a couple of months. We want to make sure people can live, we have always
done it this way. Make sure they are well insulated, all systems are functioning, generally heating and
cooling systems updated too. We want people to get value for their money. We have loyal renters.
Sure we could make a lot more money, but as hubby says we have enough. That’s what burns me about
so many very wealthy, they want it all and more, they do not want to share with the people that make
them wealthy at all. After you have so many millions or billions, what is the point of hoarding more?

Husband wants to get 2 more, but I for one am tired and getting old and also even here prices for these
old houses are priced way beyond what we want to pay now so we can keep our rents low. And now because
the state has reduced monies to our counties and towns, local property taxes must be raised and they
have even raised local option taxes so hard for us to hold rents down and make a decent return. People
here are very priced out of the market too, but we don’t see homeless around here. They are likely couch
surfing with friends or relatives. It would be hard to do here anyway, especially in cold weather, they
would die even in tents.

This is happening on a much larger scale elsewhere, not sure how it will end, I think just more and more
homeless. A lot of it is also people not taking care of their credit and having a bad score can’t even
qualify for a rental. But if no insurance and they have an illness or people are living one paycheck from being
homeless, its hard for them to worry about stuff like credit scores. I don’t think it will get better either.
And, of course, you just have some people that make bad choices and will never learn no matter what they
make. Homelessness is a complicated issue for sure.

Statistics: Posted by PatrioticStabilist — Tue Aug 22, 2017 5:34 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 22, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Mollypup wrote:So Little Fat Man plans to run to China……….

Interesting. Didn’t China tell him publicly that he’s on his own in this? I would imagine that would mean also no refuge.

They told him that if he starts it, they won’t defend him.
But there hasn’t been anything said about refuge, one way or the other.
China might not like this part, though:
(from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843287 … e-China-US )

The dictator would take only a tiny group of people with him, including his wife and two rocket experts.

Details of the secret plan were given to MI5 and the CIA by Thae Yong-ho last year after his defection to the West.

The former deputy North Korean ambassador to Britain, once a trusted member of Kim’s inner sanctum, said the dictator would direct his country’s military response from the safety of Chinese soil, close to the Yalu river which marks the border of the two countries.

Allowing him to direct a war from their soil would get them involved.

China would only give him sanctuary if he survived his bunker complexes getting wiped out and was being hunted down by hunter/killer USA/SK teams ….

and even that would be off the table if he managed to reek havoc with a counterattack – NOT AN ATTACK – he’s dead meat if he attacks ….

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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 22, 2017 Illini Warrior 0
TRex2 wrote:

Mollypup wrote:So Little Fat Man plans to run to China……….

Interesting. Didn’t China tell him publicly that he’s on his own in this? I would imagine that would mean also no refuge.

They told him that if he starts it, they won’t defend him.
But there hasn’t been anything said about refuge, one way or the other.
China might not like this part, though:
(from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843287 … e-China-US )

The dictator would take only a tiny group of people with him, including his wife and two rocket experts.

Details of the secret plan were given to MI5 and the CIA by Thae Yong-ho last year after his defection to the West.

The former deputy North Korean ambassador to Britain, once a trusted member of Kim’s inner sanctum, said the dictator would direct his country’s military response from the safety of Chinese soil, close to the Yalu river which marks the border of the two countries.

Allowing him to direct a war from their soil would get them involved.

China would only give him sanctuary if he survived his bunker complexes getting wiped out and was being hunted down by hunter/killer USA/SK teams ….

and even that would be off the table if he managed to reek havoc with a counterattack – NOT AN ATTACK – he’s dead meat if he attacks ….

Statistics: Posted by Illini Warrior — Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:38 pm


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Oklahoma Meetups • Possible Group Meeting

August 22, 2017 HVACR 0

I live in Weatherford Oklahoma. I do have some space to have a meeting. Would like to possibly start a regular meeting or group. Would like to discuss things that are talked about in this group in person. I would like to see some feed back to check the level of interest in this. Thanks HVACR.

Statistics: Posted by HVACR — Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:05 pm


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Oklahoma Meetups • Possible Group Meeting

August 22, 2017 HVACR 0

I live in Weatherford Oklahoma. I do have some space to have a meeting. Would like to possibly start a regular meeting or group. Would like to discuss things that are talked about in this group in person. I would like to see some feed back to check the level of interest in this. Thanks HVACR.

Statistics: Posted by HVACR — Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:05 pm


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 22, 2017 TRex2 0
Mollypup wrote:
So Little Fat Man plans to run to China……….

Interesting. Didn’t China tell him publicly that he’s on his own in this? I would imagine that would mean also no refuge.

They told him that if he starts it, they won’t defend him.
But there hasn’t been anything said about refuge, one way or the other.
China might not like this part, though:
(from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843287 … e-China-US )

The dictator would take only a tiny group of people with him, including his wife and two rocket experts.

Details of the secret plan were given to MI5 and the CIA by Thae Yong-ho last year after his defection to the West.

The former deputy North Korean ambassador to Britain, once a trusted member of Kim’s inner sanctum, said the dictator would direct his country’s military response from the safety of Chinese soil, close to the Yalu river which marks the border of the two countries.

Allowing him to direct a war from their soil would get them involved.

Statistics: Posted by TRex2 — Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:59 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 22, 2017 TRex2 0
Mollypup wrote:
So Little Fat Man plans to run to China……….

Interesting. Didn’t China tell him publicly that he’s on his own in this? I would imagine that would mean also no refuge.

They told him that if he starts it, they won’t defend him.
But there hasn’t been anything said about refuge, one way or the other.
China might not like this part, though:
(from http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843287 … e-China-US )

The dictator would take only a tiny group of people with him, including his wife and two rocket experts.

Details of the secret plan were given to MI5 and the CIA by Thae Yong-ho last year after his defection to the West.

The former deputy North Korean ambassador to Britain, once a trusted member of Kim’s inner sanctum, said the dictator would direct his country’s military response from the safety of Chinese soil, close to the Yalu river which marks the border of the two countries.

Allowing him to direct a war from their soil would get them involved.

Statistics: Posted by TRex2 — Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:59 am


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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 22, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
I saw comments about the homeless, can explain easily.

It’s not just druggies, its people not making enough money. At the duplex we just sold, the rents were $595
and $450, for a 2 and 1 bedroom, we knew they were low but as long as the property taxes were low, we made
money and they could live well. but the taxes went up over $3k, this was in Texas, the ladies couldn’t pay
that much, they had lived there forever and had to move in with family.

The folks that just bought it put the first 2 bedroom up for rent for $900, that will be plus a $52 water, sewer, and trash
bill for zero usage. The gas bill was $20, no usage, one had the AC almost off and was $50, the other was set low and $140, house
is well insulated, systems are newer and almost new. So lots of money for rent. I’m sure people are struggling to pay money
like that. This is a nice house but in a very poor neighborhood, mostly Hispanic, but good schools for the kids to go to and
an expensive subdivision next door.

This is no joke. IT’S BAD HERE!

I do what I can…I’m told its extremely helpful by those I choose to interact with, but even I can see it’s like putting a band aid on a 1 foot gash that’s infected. That doesn’t stop me though.

The issue is real….. I’ve talked to a lot of people that have never been homeless, drove fancy cars, owned homes/rented, and have become homeless since 2015 or sooner.

Rents here in Orange County are at $1500-$3000 in some cases for A 1 BEDROOM!…..in a really bad slum type area it might be $900.

Here is our riverbed….This was taken a few months ago…It goes on like this for about 20 miles. No joke or exaggeration….Its BAD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yRZbbJ9kyg

That’s just the riverbed…..Every corner, every grocery store, every park, playground, beach path, wilderness area is the same…just in less concentration.

Don’t know about the rest of the country, but this is what I see here.

~D

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General California Discussion, News and Weather • Re: Things that make you go hmmmm

August 22, 2017 DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
I saw comments about the homeless, can explain easily.

It’s not just druggies, its people not making enough money. At the duplex we just sold, the rents were $595
and $450, for a 2 and 1 bedroom, we knew they were low but as long as the property taxes were low, we made
money and they could live well. but the taxes went up over $3k, this was in Texas, the ladies couldn’t pay
that much, they had lived there forever and had to move in with family.

The folks that just bought it put the first 2 bedroom up for rent for $900, that will be plus a $52 water, sewer, and trash
bill for zero usage. The gas bill was $20, no usage, one had the AC almost off and was $50, the other was set low and $140, house
is well insulated, systems are newer and almost new. So lots of money for rent. I’m sure people are struggling to pay money
like that. This is a nice house but in a very poor neighborhood, mostly Hispanic, but good schools for the kids to go to and
an expensive subdivision next door.

This is no joke. IT’S BAD HERE!

I do what I can…I’m told its extremely helpful by those I choose to interact with, but even I can see it’s like putting a band aid on a 1 foot gash that’s infected. That doesn’t stop me though.

The issue is real….. I’ve talked to a lot of people that have never been homeless, drove fancy cars, owned homes/rented, and have become homeless since 2015 or sooner.

Rents here in Orange County are at $1500-$3000 in some cases for A 1 BEDROOM!…..in a really bad slum type area it might be $900.

Here is our riverbed….This was taken a few months ago…It goes on like this for about 20 miles. No joke or exaggeration….Its BAD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yRZbbJ9kyg

That’s just the riverbed…..Every corner, every grocery store, every park, playground, beach path, wilderness area is the same…just in less concentration.

Don’t know about the rest of the country, but this is what I see here.

~D

Statistics: Posted by DR1VENbyKNOWLEDGE — Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:38 am


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Terrorism & other Man made disasters • Re: EMP-Korea Concerns & Discussions #5 (Aug 2017)

August 22, 2017 ReadyMom 0

Kim Jong-Un secret escape route to China revealed as North Korea fears US strike
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843287 … e-China-US

KIM Jong-un has an escape plan for fleeing over the border to China in the event of a US military attack on North Korea, intelligence sources reveal.

UPDATED: 13:01, Sun, Aug 20, 2017

The dictator would take only a tiny group of people with him, including his wife and two rocket experts.

Details of the secret plan were given to MI5 and the CIA by Thae Yong-ho last year after his defection to the West.

The former deputy North Korean ambassador to Britain, once a trusted member of Kim’s inner sanctum, said the dictator would direct his country’s military response from the safety of Chinese soil, close to the Yalu river which marks the border of the two countries.

He would be accompanied by Lieutenant General Kim Rak-gyom, head of rocket forces and rocket scientist Kim Jong-sik.

But for reasons unknown the once-favoured former air force General Ri Pyong-chol has been axed from the list.

Chinese president Xi Jinping has said he would remain “neutral” if North Korea launched a military attack, but China would stand by the Pyongyang regime if the US struck first.

However, recent comments that both sides should “hit the brakes” on military rhetoric cast doubt on how much support China would actually give to troublesome North Korea.

Thae revealed details of the plan during a lengthy debrief in Kent following his defection, before his wife and two children were flown to South Korea through Germany.

For his escape, Kim would use one of two small aircraft which are permanently on fully fuelled stand-by.

The plane would take off from one of five airstrips close to palaces owned by the supreme leader.

Many also border private train stations, which could also form part of any escape plan.

One is adjacent to a palace in the port city of Wonsan. The Kim family also has a fortified compound on Wonsan bay, where the ruler entertained NBA basketball star Dennis Rodman in 2013.

It boasts a £5.4million yacht, the Princess, moored nearby, and water slides, theme park rides, and a football pitch.

Kim said that his wife, 27-year-old Ri Sol-ju, would fly in the second plane along with General Kim Jong-sik.

Kim’s daughter, Ju-ae, was not discussed, though Thae said the leader “spoke of her often”.

His choice of other companions is telling. Rocket scientist Kim Jong-sik, a general in the Munitions Industry Department, is credited with being behind a 2012 rocket that successfully entered a lower Earth orbit.

In February he accompanied dictator Kim to a long-range rocket launch site. State television showed him flying in Kim Jong-un’s private plane.

He accompanied the young leader down a red carpet and received flowers from other senior officials.

Lt General Kim Rak-gyom, head of North Korea’s Strategic Rocket Forces, recently accused US President Donald Trump of “going senile” and “extremely getting on the nerves” of his soldiers.

Dropped from the flight manifest, Ri Pyong-chol, who worked for Kim’s father, is now deputy director of the Workers’ Party Munitions Industry Department, which oversees the development of North Korea’s ballistic missile programme.

He has visited China and, when head of North Korea’s air force, in 2008 had a meeting with China’s defence minister.

In 2011 he toured a Russian fighter jet factory.

Last night an intelligence source confirmed: “The deputy ambassador said that Kim had two small Cessnalike single-engine planes, made in North Korea, which are always fuelled and ready to go.

“He gave us the names of three people who would accompany him, one of whom is the country’s top rocket scientist.”

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Kim Jong-Un secret escape route to China revealed as North Korea fears US strike
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/843287 … e-China-US

KIM Jong-un has an escape plan for fleeing over the border to China in the event of a US military attack on North Korea, intelligence sources reveal.

UPDATED: 13:01, Sun, Aug 20, 2017

The dictator would take only a tiny group of people with him, including his wife and two rocket experts.

Details of the secret plan were given to MI5 and the CIA by Thae Yong-ho last year after his defection to the West.

The former deputy North Korean ambassador to Britain, once a trusted member of Kim’s inner sanctum, said the dictator would direct his country’s military response from the safety of Chinese soil, close to the Yalu river which marks the border of the two countries.

He would be accompanied by Lieutenant General Kim Rak-gyom, head of rocket forces and rocket scientist Kim Jong-sik.

But for reasons unknown the once-favoured former air force General Ri Pyong-chol has been axed from the list.

Chinese president Xi Jinping has said he would remain “neutral” if North Korea launched a military attack, but China would stand by the Pyongyang regime if the US struck first.

However, recent comments that both sides should “hit the brakes” on military rhetoric cast doubt on how much support China would actually give to troublesome North Korea.

Thae revealed details of the plan during a lengthy debrief in Kent following his defection, before his wife and two children were flown to South Korea through Germany.

For his escape, Kim would use one of two small aircraft which are permanently on fully fuelled stand-by.

The plane would take off from one of five airstrips close to palaces owned by the supreme leader.

Many also border private train stations, which could also form part of any escape plan.

One is adjacent to a palace in the port city of Wonsan. The Kim family also has a fortified compound on Wonsan bay, where the ruler entertained NBA basketball star Dennis Rodman in 2013.

It boasts a £5.4million yacht, the Princess, moored nearby, and water slides, theme park rides, and a football pitch.

Kim said that his wife, 27-year-old Ri Sol-ju, would fly in the second plane along with General Kim Jong-sik.

Kim’s daughter, Ju-ae, was not discussed, though Thae said the leader “spoke of her often”.

His choice of other companions is telling. Rocket scientist Kim Jong-sik, a general in the Munitions Industry Department, is credited with being behind a 2012 rocket that successfully entered a lower Earth orbit.

In February he accompanied dictator Kim to a long-range rocket launch site. State television showed him flying in Kim Jong-un’s private plane.

He accompanied the young leader down a red carpet and received flowers from other senior officials.

Lt General Kim Rak-gyom, head of North Korea’s Strategic Rocket Forces, recently accused US President Donald Trump of “going senile” and “extremely getting on the nerves” of his soldiers.

Dropped from the flight manifest, Ri Pyong-chol, who worked for Kim’s father, is now deputy director of the Workers’ Party Munitions Industry Department, which oversees the development of North Korea’s ballistic missile programme.

He has visited China and, when head of North Korea’s air force, in 2008 had a meeting with China’s defence minister.

In 2011 he toured a Russian fighter jet factory.

Last night an intelligence source confirmed: “The deputy ambassador said that Kim had two small Cessnalike single-engine planes, made in North Korea, which are always fuelled and ready to go.

“He gave us the names of three people who would accompany him, one of whom is the country’s top rocket scientist.”

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North Korea says US causing ‘uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war’ with military drills
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 02996.html

North Korea has threatened to unleash a “merciless strike” on American territory ahead of joint US-South Korea military drills.

Pyongyang warned the exercises, due to begin on Monday, were “reckless behaviour driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war”.

Thousands of troops will take part in 10 days of military simulations, designed to prepare American and South Korean forces for conflict with North Korea, amid heightened tensions in the peninsula.

Washington describes the drills as “defensive in nature” but Pyongyang has denounced them as a dress rehearsal for war.

“The Trump group’s declaration of the reckless nuclear war exercises against the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] … is a reckless behaviour driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war,” said an editorial in official government newspaper Rodong Sinmun.

It declared North Korea’s army could target the US mainland, Hawaii or the Pacific territory of Guam at any time, claiming America would be unable to “dodge the merciless strike”.

“The US should pay heed to the statement of the DPRK government that we would not rule out the use of any final means,” warned another article.

It added: “Reckless and wild acts of the US can accelerate its final ruin.”

Pyongyang says it has drawn up plans to fire four missiles towards Guam but North Korean leader Kim Jong-un said last week he had delayed a decision on carrying out the strike.

Donald Trump had said the US military is “locked and loaded” should North Korea “act unwisely”, having previously warned Pyongyang would face “fire and fury” if it continued to threaten America.

The escalating war of words, coupled with North Korea’s rapid progress in developing nuclear weapons and missiles capable of reaching the US mainland, has fuelled a surge in tension.

The situation has added to pressure on the US and South Korea to stop the military drills. China, North Korea’s main ally and trading partner, called for the suspension of the annual exercises in exchange for Pyongyang halting its nuclear programme.

But the US has refused to back down.

“My advice to our leadership is that we not dial back our exercises,” said Joseph Dunford, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff.

“The exercises are very important to maintaining the ability of the alliance to defend itself”.

The US military describes the software behind the drills as “state-of-the-art wargaming computer simulations”. There will be no field training during the exercise.

As part of the exercises, imagery from military satellites orbiting above the Korean peninsula is at times used to peer deep into North Korea, said a former South Korean government official who declined to be identified.

The US has about 28,000 troops in South Korea. Many of them will be joining thousands of South Korean forces in the exercises.

Other South Korean allies are also joining this year with with troops from Australia, the UK, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, the Netherlands andNew Zealand taking part.

Known as Ulchi Freedom Guardian, the joint drills have their roots in a 1968 raid on South Korea’s Blue House presidential complex, when a North Korean army unit secretly entered South Korea and unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate the then president, Park Chung-hee.

The US had been conducting regular “command and control” drills in the years following the 1950-53 Korean War, but merged exercises with the South Korean military following the failed raid, in which all but two of the North Korean commandos were killed.

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North Korea says US causing ‘uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war’ with military drills
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world … 02996.html

North Korea has threatened to unleash a “merciless strike” on American territory ahead of joint US-South Korea military drills.

Pyongyang warned the exercises, due to begin on Monday, were “reckless behaviour driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war”.

Thousands of troops will take part in 10 days of military simulations, designed to prepare American and South Korean forces for conflict with North Korea, amid heightened tensions in the peninsula.

Washington describes the drills as “defensive in nature” but Pyongyang has denounced them as a dress rehearsal for war.

“The Trump group’s declaration of the reckless nuclear war exercises against the DPRK [Democratic People’s Republic of Korea] … is a reckless behaviour driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war,” said an editorial in official government newspaper Rodong Sinmun.

It declared North Korea’s army could target the US mainland, Hawaii or the Pacific territory of Guam at any time, claiming America would be unable to “dodge the merciless strike”.

“The US should pay heed to the statement of the DPRK government that we would not rule out the use of any final means,” warned another article.

It added: “Reckless and wild acts of the US can accelerate its final ruin.”

Pyongyang says it has drawn up plans to fire four missiles towards Guam but North Korean leader Kim Jong-un said last week he had delayed a decision on carrying out the strike.

Donald Trump had said the US military is “locked and loaded” should North Korea “act unwisely”, having previously warned Pyongyang would face “fire and fury” if it continued to threaten America.

The escalating war of words, coupled with North Korea’s rapid progress in developing nuclear weapons and missiles capable of reaching the US mainland, has fuelled a surge in tension.

The situation has added to pressure on the US and South Korea to stop the military drills. China, North Korea’s main ally and trading partner, called for the suspension of the annual exercises in exchange for Pyongyang halting its nuclear programme.

But the US has refused to back down.

“My advice to our leadership is that we not dial back our exercises,” said Joseph Dunford, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff.

“The exercises are very important to maintaining the ability of the alliance to defend itself”.

The US military describes the software behind the drills as “state-of-the-art wargaming computer simulations”. There will be no field training during the exercise.

As part of the exercises, imagery from military satellites orbiting above the Korean peninsula is at times used to peer deep into North Korea, said a former South Korean government official who declined to be identified.

The US has about 28,000 troops in South Korea. Many of them will be joining thousands of South Korean forces in the exercises.

Other South Korean allies are also joining this year with with troops from Australia, the UK, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, the Netherlands andNew Zealand taking part.

Known as Ulchi Freedom Guardian, the joint drills have their roots in a 1968 raid on South Korea’s Blue House presidential complex, when a North Korean army unit secretly entered South Korea and unsuccessfully attempted to assassinate the then president, Park Chung-hee.

The US had been conducting regular “command and control” drills in the years following the 1950-53 Korean War, but merged exercises with the South Korean military following the failed raid, in which all but two of the North Korean commandos were killed.

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PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Seems I read somewhere the other day, they think might be some hacking into the
systems, I’m sure its being looked at. Hacking would make sense.

Son is really busy now, they are getting ready to start the latest war games in Korea.
Didn’t even have time to say much yesterday, he was off to a meeting, its expected.
Hope nothing goes awry there during them.

North Korea warns of ‘merciless strike’ ahead of US-South Korea drills
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/nort … index.html

Mon August 21, 2017

(CNN)Joint US-South Korean military drills are underway Monday despite warnings from North Korea a day earlier that they could lead to a “uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war.”
The 10-day Ulchi Freedom Guardian military exercises are conducted annually and touted by South Korea and the United States as defensive in nature.
But North Korea sees them as provocative and hostile, perhaps even preparation for an invasion.

“The Trump group’s declaration of the reckless nuclear war exercises against the DPRK … is a reckless behavior driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war,” North Korean state-run newspaper Rodong Sinmun said, using the acronym for Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the nation’s official name.

The piece went on to say that the North Korean army can target the United States anytime, and neither Guam, Hawaii nor the US mainland can “dodge the merciless strike.”

“The Korean People’s Army is keeping a high alert, fully ready to contain the enemies. It will take resolute steps the moment even a slight sign of the preventive war is spotted,” it said.

It did not provide any details on what it meant by “preventive war.”

Guam in the firing line?

Just last week, Pyongyang said it had finalized a plan to fire four missiles toward the US territory of Guam, an important military outpost in the western Pacific. State media reported that leader Kim Jong Un would assess the US’ next move before giving launch orders.

Kim would “watch a little more the foolish and stupid conduct of the Yankees,” a North Korean statement said last week.

As tensions have quickly risen in recent weeks, concerned parties like China and Russia have tried to tout a proposal in which the US and South Korea would pause its military exercises in exchange for a freeze or pause of North Korean missile testing.

The US has rebuffed the efforts so far and insisted that the Ulchi Freedom Guardian exercises would go ahead as planned, arguing they are lawful under international law as opposed to North Korea’s missile and nuclear tests.

Both US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Secretary of Defense James Mattis said last week that the US was keeping military options on the table in dealing with North Korea.

Tillerson said peaceful diplomatic pressure was the preferred way to get Pyongyang to stop its testing of nuclear-capable ballistic missiles. But he added that the diplomatic approach “has to be backed with military threat” if North Korea chooses to move forward with destabilizing actions.

Mattis also made clear the US’ willingness to use force if North Korea steps out of line.

“In close collaboration with our allies, there are strong military consequences if the DPRK initiates hostilities,” he said.

Promise from South Korea’s President

As tensions escalate, South Korean President Moon Jae-in promised his citizens last week there “will be no war on the Korean Peninsula ever again.”
Moon, who took office in May, announced on his 100th day in office that US and South Korean policies are aligned on North Korea.

President Trump assured South Korea he would consult with them before making any military decisions on North Korea, according to Moon.

Moon said North Korea’s development of nuclear weapons technology was “nearing” a red line, which he described as “completing an ICBM and weaponizing it with a nuclear head.”

North Korea claims it has successfully miniaturized a nuclear weapon. While some experts believe it may have the technology, others caution that even if it doesn’t, North Korea should be taken at its word.

“If North Korea provokes again, it will face with much harsher sanction and won’t stand it in the end. I want to warn North Korea to do no more dangerous gambling,” Moon said.

His comments about averting war echoed similar statements he made Tuesday that only South Korea could give consent to initiate any conflict with the North.

“The government, putting everything on the line, will block war by all means,” Moon said.

China weighs in

China has urged both Washington and Pyongyang to tone down the rhetoric and stop actions that inflame tensions, missile testing on North Korea’s side and military exercises on the US and South Korean side.

China’s Global Times newspaper, a state-run tabloid, was scathing of South Korea’s decision to proceed with the drills.

“The drill will definitely provoke Pyongyang more, and Pyongyang is expected to make a more radical response,” it said in an editorial.
“If South Korea really wants no war on the Korean Peninsula, it should try to stop this military exercise.”

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August 22, 2017 ReadyMom 0
PatrioticStabilist wrote:
Seems I read somewhere the other day, they think might be some hacking into the
systems, I’m sure its being looked at. Hacking would make sense.

Son is really busy now, they are getting ready to start the latest war games in Korea.
Didn’t even have time to say much yesterday, he was off to a meeting, its expected.
Hope nothing goes awry there during them.

North Korea warns of ‘merciless strike’ ahead of US-South Korea drills
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/nort … index.html

Mon August 21, 2017

(CNN)Joint US-South Korean military drills are underway Monday despite warnings from North Korea a day earlier that they could lead to a “uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war.”
The 10-day Ulchi Freedom Guardian military exercises are conducted annually and touted by South Korea and the United States as defensive in nature.
But North Korea sees them as provocative and hostile, perhaps even preparation for an invasion.

“The Trump group’s declaration of the reckless nuclear war exercises against the DPRK … is a reckless behavior driving the situation into the uncontrollable phase of a nuclear war,” North Korean state-run newspaper Rodong Sinmun said, using the acronym for Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the nation’s official name.

The piece went on to say that the North Korean army can target the United States anytime, and neither Guam, Hawaii nor the US mainland can “dodge the merciless strike.”

“The Korean People’s Army is keeping a high alert, fully ready to contain the enemies. It will take resolute steps the moment even a slight sign of the preventive war is spotted,” it said.

It did not provide any details on what it meant by “preventive war.”

Guam in the firing line?

Just last week, Pyongyang said it had finalized a plan to fire four missiles toward the US territory of Guam, an important military outpost in the western Pacific. State media reported that leader Kim Jong Un would assess the US’ next move before giving launch orders.

Kim would “watch a little more the foolish and stupid conduct of the Yankees,” a North Korean statement said last week.

As tensions have quickly risen in recent weeks, concerned parties like China and Russia have tried to tout a proposal in which the US and South Korea would pause its military exercises in exchange for a freeze or pause of North Korean missile testing.

The US has rebuffed the efforts so far and insisted that the Ulchi Freedom Guardian exercises would go ahead as planned, arguing they are lawful under international law as opposed to North Korea’s missile and nuclear tests.

Both US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Secretary of Defense James Mattis said last week that the US was keeping military options on the table in dealing with North Korea.

Tillerson said peaceful diplomatic pressure was the preferred way to get Pyongyang to stop its testing of nuclear-capable ballistic missiles. But he added that the diplomatic approach “has to be backed with military threat” if North Korea chooses to move forward with destabilizing actions.

Mattis also made clear the US’ willingness to use force if North Korea steps out of line.

“In close collaboration with our allies, there are strong military consequences if the DPRK initiates hostilities,” he said.

Promise from South Korea’s President

As tensions escalate, South Korean President Moon Jae-in promised his citizens last week there “will be no war on the Korean Peninsula ever again.”
Moon, who took office in May, announced on his 100th day in office that US and South Korean policies are aligned on North Korea.

President Trump assured South Korea he would consult with them before making any military decisions on North Korea, according to Moon.

Moon said North Korea’s development of nuclear weapons technology was “nearing” a red line, which he described as “completing an ICBM and weaponizing it with a nuclear head.”

North Korea claims it has successfully miniaturized a nuclear weapon. While some experts believe it may have the technology, others caution that even if it doesn’t, North Korea should be taken at its word.

“If North Korea provokes again, it will face with much harsher sanction and won’t stand it in the end. I want to warn North Korea to do no more dangerous gambling,” Moon said.

His comments about averting war echoed similar statements he made Tuesday that only South Korea could give consent to initiate any conflict with the North.

“The government, putting everything on the line, will block war by all means,” Moon said.

China weighs in

China has urged both Washington and Pyongyang to tone down the rhetoric and stop actions that inflame tensions, missile testing on North Korea’s side and military exercises on the US and South Korean side.

China’s Global Times newspaper, a state-run tabloid, was scathing of South Korea’s decision to proceed with the drills.

“The drill will definitely provoke Pyongyang more, and Pyongyang is expected to make a more radical response,” it said in an editorial.
“If South Korea really wants no war on the Korean Peninsula, it should try to stop this military exercise.”

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MORE NEWS on bad fishing in PA: :(

DO NOT EAT – Fish in Pa. river are contaminated, officials say
http://www.wgal.com/article/do-not-eat- … y/12047167

PCB levels 10 times higher than threshold for consumption found

HARRISBURG, Pa. —

State officials are warning people not to eat fish caught in a stretch of a western Pennsylvania river after tests found extremely high levels of a potentially dangerous chemical.

Environmental protection officials issued the blanket warning Monday for all fish caught in the Shenango River in Mercer and Lawrence counties after previously advising people to stay away from certain species.

Officials say tissue samples of the fish had high levels of polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs. In some cases, the results were 10 times higher than the threshold for issuing a consumption advisory.

Officials say the most recent tests by water companies did not show contamination in the water itself, but the companies agreed to increase the frequency of testing to ensure the safety of drinking water.

Statistics: Posted by ReadyMom — Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:26 am


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August 22, 2017 ReadyMom 0

MORE NEWS on bad fishing in PA: :(

DO NOT EAT – Fish in Pa. river are contaminated, officials say
http://www.wgal.com/article/do-not-eat- … y/12047167

PCB levels 10 times higher than threshold for consumption found

HARRISBURG, Pa. —

State officials are warning people not to eat fish caught in a stretch of a western Pennsylvania river after tests found extremely high levels of a potentially dangerous chemical.

Environmental protection officials issued the blanket warning Monday for all fish caught in the Shenango River in Mercer and Lawrence counties after previously advising people to stay away from certain species.

Officials say tissue samples of the fish had high levels of polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs. In some cases, the results were 10 times higher than the threshold for issuing a consumption advisory.

Officials say the most recent tests by water companies did not show contamination in the water itself, but the companies agreed to increase the frequency of testing to ensure the safety of drinking water.

Statistics: Posted by ReadyMom — Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:26 am