Month: June 2017

I decided to think this one over before posting. A lot of folks who I respect have already done so with what I would consider accurate but limited analysis. I consider all of you friends and to be intelligent patriots. My use of the word “limited” is by no means meant to denigrate any of you or your responses. I pray that when “IT” happens I have you all, or men like you to stand with.

The so called liberals (that term if you research the original meaning does not actually apply to them) have demonstrated their methodology for many years. Their current strategy of binding up the President with a thousand legal entanglements and to assault him with the propaganda apparatus of their lap dog and traitorous media is a continuation of their strategy over the years with added intensity and sophistication. It reminds me of the Johnathon Swift scene where the hero finds himself bound by hundreds of threads and surrounded by the diminutive Lilliputians.
It’s my contention that there is a “coup de etat” (strike to the state) in play as we discuss this. These people are first and foremost cowards and bullies. They will never confront but seek like the rats that they are to crawl around the edges and gnaw at the moorings until the ship of state drifts free so they can present themselves as saviors. Their stated strategy has always been to create a problem then present themselves and their agenda as the solution. They will continue to attack through the judiciary and with their mangy dogs in the media until they can set up a situation where an entity of the existing government can act to seize control in the interests of saving the country and restoring order. You can bet your last dollar that even if their is an attack by Islamic extremists the blame, will be placed on what they term “right wing fascist elements” (That’s us by the way).
I have a running argument with a very good friend in which he tells me that due to a long standing code, the military especially the officer’s corps will have no part of this. My position is that the traditional officer’s corps has been purged of most of the old line men of honor & that many of our service members are products of the same education system and philosophy that has produced our crop of campus snowflakes and social justice warriors. Coming from a very long family tradition of service to this country and having take the OATH myself (twice actually) I am inclined to agree with him. The evidence I see to the contrary is hard for me to swallow but I must accept it until I see evidence to the contrary.
I suspect that the LEOs are in the same position. Many of them as with the military are decent patriotic Americans who would and do put their lives on the line to stand behind their oath. But like the military a lot of our LEOs unfortunately are also products of the same system. In addition, when the breakdown and chaos occur they will have to consider their families and especially the welfare of their children. To buck the system would be to risk starvation or worse. Thus I see a serious problem in who exactly do you shoot and who exactly do you trust. Obviously the liberal (Censored word. I’m a potty mouth) hat neighbor celebrating the triumph of what he considers the greater good can’t be trusted. But what about the sheriff’s deputies or the NG rifle squads charged with door to door confiscation of weapons and the round up of “fascist elements”. How do you spot them and how do you shoot some poor bastard who was forced to make a choice between his job and keeping his kids safe and fed?

The coup will be executed without shots being fired. It’s their way. The aftermath is when things will get dicey. All of those ARs buried in Obama tubes and all of the 5.56 green tip, magazines and web gear will come out of the ground but then when you try to organize with your neighbors what happens? The media will rail against the fascist uprising and run long blowhard pieces about Russian aid to these criminals. Their new president and legislators will call for martial law for the duration of an emergency that will last generations. They will hail our Constitution and our “way of life” while they dismember it completely. I expect that the aid of UN Peacekeepers will be enlisted and that a purge of the military and Law Enforcement will be one of the first programs enacted. The disarming of the population and the internment of “fascist elements” will occur concurrently.

This is indeed a dark view of the future. I have several possible solutions in mind but hesitate to enumerate them in such a very public forum. I suspect that many of you have things in mind and probably have even made actual preps . I’d suggest that detailing them here would be unwise. I also strongly suspect that what many of you think and are preparing would fit 100% with mine. I’m an old man slightly crippled but still dangerous. There were a lot of lessons to be learned from little yellow men in black pajamas. We also have traditions going back to the French and Indian wars to feed us. Just be careful to whom you speak and what you propose. This is coming all of us can feel it in the wind. We need to water the Tree of Liberty once again
G-d Bless and keep every one of you

Statistics: Posted by Drakenstead1 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:49 pm

I decided to think this one over before posting. A lot of folks who I respect have already done so with what I would consider accurate but limited analysis. I consider all of you friends and to be intelligent patriots. My use of the word “limited” is by no means meant to denigrate any of you or your responses. I pray that when “IT” happens I have you all, or men like you to stand with.

The so called liberals (that term if you research the original meaning does not actually apply to them) have demonstrated their methodology for many years. Their current strategy of binding up the President with a thousand legal entanglements and to assault him with the propaganda apparatus of their lap dog and traitorous media is a continuation of their strategy over the years with added intensity and sophistication. It reminds me of the Johnathon Swift scene where the hero finds himself bound by hundreds of threads and surrounded by the diminutive Lilliputians.
It’s my contention that there is a “coup de etat” (strike to the state) in play as we discuss this. These people are first and foremost cowards and bullies. They will never confront but seek like the rats that they are to crawl around the edges and gnaw at the moorings until the ship of state drifts free so they can present themselves as saviors. Their stated strategy has always been to create a problem then present themselves and their agenda as the solution. They will continue to attack through the judiciary and with their mangy dogs in the media until they can set up a situation where an entity of the existing government can act to seize control in the interests of saving the country and restoring order. You can bet your last dollar that even if their is an attack by Islamic extremists the blame, will be placed on what they term “right wing fascist elements” (That’s us by the way).
I have a running argument with a very good friend in which he tells me that due to a long standing code, the military especially the officer’s corps will have no part of this. My position is that the traditional officer’s corps has been purged of most of the old line men of honor & that many of our service members are products of the same education system and philosophy that has produced our crop of campus snowflakes and social justice warriors. Coming from a very long family tradition of service to this country and having take the OATH myself (twice actually) I am inclined to agree with him. The evidence I see to the contrary is hard for me to swallow but I must accept it until I see evidence to the contrary.
I suspect that the LEOs are in the same position. Many of them as with the military are decent patriotic Americans who would and do put their lives on the line to stand behind their oath. But like the military a lot of our LEOs unfortunately are also products of the same system. In addition, when the breakdown and chaos occur they will have to consider their families and especially the welfare of their children. To buck the system would be to risk starvation or worse. Thus I see a serious problem in who exactly do you shoot and who exactly do you trust. Obviously the liberal (Censored word. I’m a potty mouth) hat neighbor celebrating the triumph of what he considers the greater good can’t be trusted. But what about the sheriff’s deputies or the NG rifle squads charged with door to door confiscation of weapons and the round up of “fascist elements”. How do you spot them and how do you shoot some poor bastard who was forced to make a choice between his job and keeping his kids safe and fed?

The coup will be executed without shots being fired. It’s their way. The aftermath is when things will get dicey. All of those ARs buried in Obama tubes and all of the 5.56 green tip, magazines and web gear will come out of the ground but then when you try to organize with your neighbors what happens? The media will rail against the fascist uprising and run long blowhard pieces about Russian aid to these criminals. Their new president and legislators will call for martial law for the duration of an emergency that will last generations. They will hail our Constitution and our “way of life” while they dismember it completely. I expect that the aid of UN Peacekeepers will be enlisted and that a purge of the military and Law Enforcement will be one of the first programs enacted. The disarming of the population and the internment of “fascist elements” will occur concurrently.

This is indeed a dark view of the future. I have several possible solutions in mind but hesitate to enumerate them in such a very public forum. I suspect that many of you have things in mind and probably have even made actual preps . I’d suggest that detailing them here would be unwise. I also strongly suspect that what many of you think and are preparing would fit 100% with mine. I’m an old man slightly crippled but still dangerous. There were a lot of lessons to be learned from little yellow men in black pajamas. We also have traditions going back to the French and Indian wars to feed us. Just be careful to whom you speak and what you propose. This is coming all of us can feel it in the wind. We need to water the Tree of Liberty once again
G-d Bless and keep every one of you

Statistics: Posted by Drakenstead1 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:49 pm

“Clip”? Were you referring to magazines?
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Statistics: Posted by rebnavy1862 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:00 pm

“Clip”? Were you referring to magazines?
Reb

Statistics: Posted by rebnavy1862 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:00 pm

If 1 and 1 is 2
and 2 and 1 is 3
then what is 3 and 1 ?

Statistics: Posted by ajax727 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:44 pm

If 1 and 1 is 2
and 2 and 1 is 3
then what is 3 and 1 ?

Statistics: Posted by ajax727 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:44 pm

Gunns wrote:
Have you ever served in the Military? Just asking because 1,000 tree huggers may not be able to handle 10 veterans. Even if the tree huggers have rifles and vets have hand guns. In the military we were trained in what a kill zone was. It was the immediate space in front of you going left to right and over lapping those on either side by a bit. I don’t recall the degrees. But what it does is allows each person cover an area. Pretty danged effective too.

I do agree with you that we are heading for something interesting.

It’s simple numbers Gunns. per your example, 10 vets with handguns @ 15 shots per clip = 150 rounds of ammo before reload, figure everyone has 4 spare clips that gives a total count of 750 rounds. Not all of those will be kill shots. History is full of examples of governments getting overthrown by starving peasants with sticks going up against superior armed troops. It is the will of the peasants that throw away their lives for the “grater good” that turns the tide. If every welfare crack head and greeny tree hugger suddenly stormed the power structures there would be a sudden population drop by a order of magnitude but they might also have a chance to actually win. Not saying there would be very many of them left when all was said and done but they would have a chance if they wanted it bad enough.

Like I said a interesting thought exercise, especially when you start looking at population percentages on welfare vs active duty troops stationed by major cities. It gets even worse when you throw in the prison populations that the rioters will surely release. If you do the math it leaves a bleak picture of what would be left for those in the middle that could care less about either side.

Statistics: Posted by Permafrost — Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:50 pm

Gunns wrote:
Have you ever served in the Military? Just asking because 1,000 tree huggers may not be able to handle 10 veterans. Even if the tree huggers have rifles and vets have hand guns. In the military we were trained in what a kill zone was. It was the immediate space in front of you going left to right and over lapping those on either side by a bit. I don’t recall the degrees. But what it does is allows each person cover an area. Pretty danged effective too.

I do agree with you that we are heading for something interesting.

It’s simple numbers Gunns. per your example, 10 vets with handguns @ 15 shots per clip = 150 rounds of ammo before reload, figure everyone has 4 spare clips that gives a total count of 750 rounds. Not all of those will be kill shots. History is full of examples of governments getting overthrown by starving peasants with sticks going up against superior armed troops. It is the will of the peasants that throw away their lives for the “grater good” that turns the tide. If every welfare crack head and greeny tree hugger suddenly stormed the power structures there would be a sudden population drop by a order of magnitude but they might also have a chance to actually win. Not saying there would be very many of them left when all was said and done but they would have a chance if they wanted it bad enough.

Like I said a interesting thought exercise, especially when you start looking at population percentages on welfare vs active duty troops stationed by major cities. It gets even worse when you throw in the prison populations that the rioters will surely release. If you do the math it leaves a bleak picture of what would be left for those in the middle that could care less about either side.

Statistics: Posted by Permafrost — Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:50 pm

Gunns wrote:
Have you ever served in the Military? Just asking because 1,000 tree huggers may not be able to handle 10 veterans. Even if the tree huggers have rifles and vets have hand guns. In the military we were trained in what a kill zone was. It was the immediate space in front of you going left to right and over lapping those on either side by a bit. I don’t recall the degrees. But what it does is allows each person cover an area. Pretty danged effective too.

I do agree with you that we are heading for something interesting.

It’s simple numbers Gunns. per your example, 10 vets with handguns @ 15 shots per clip = 150 rounds of ammo before reload, figure everyone has 4 spare clips that gives a total count of 750 rounds. Not all of those will be kill shots. History is full of examples of governments getting overthrown by starving peasants with sticks going up against superior armed troops. It is the will of the peasants that throw away their lives for the “grater good” that turns the tide. If every welfare crack head and greeny tree hugger suddenly stormed the power structures there would be a sudden population drop by a order of magnitude but they might also have a chance to actually win. Not saying there would be very many of them left when all was said and done but they would have a chance if they wanted it bad enough.

Like I said a interesting thought exercise, especially when you start looking at population percentages on welfare vs active duty troops stationed by major cities. It gets even worse when you throw in the prison populations that the rioters will surely release. If you do the math it leaves a bleak picture of what would be left for those in the middle that could care less about either side.

Statistics: Posted by Permafrost — Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:50 pm

Cadit wrote:
Na Gunns; I ate it.

Figured.

Statistics: Posted by Gunns — Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:22 pm

rickdun wrote:
Gunns, back in Vietnam, we call what you’re talking about as the “final firing line”, the last line of defense, was involved twice with it and take it from me, your pants are wet if you survive.

I bet. Only time I really sweat it was when I was in South Korea and facing me across the DMZ was a bunch of NK tanks. My zone was about 160 degrees. Was during the “Ax Murder incident”. Nothing happened of course but we were not amused.

Statistics: Posted by Gunns — Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:19 pm

rickdun wrote:
Gunns, back in Vietnam, we call what you’re talking about as the “final firing line”, the last line of defense, was involved twice with it and take it from me, your pants are wet if you survive.

I bet. Only time I really sweat it was when I was in South Korea and facing me across the DMZ was a bunch of NK tanks. My zone was about 160 degrees. Was during the “Ax Murder incident”. Nothing happened of course but we were not amused.

Statistics: Posted by Gunns — Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:19 pm

Thanks, Gunns, for your answer.
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Statistics: Posted by rebnavy1862 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:22 pm

Thanks, Gunns, for your answer.
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Statistics: Posted by rebnavy1862 — Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:22 pm

I know that many think that they will be the lone ranger and do it alone or with just your family. Let’s look at that, and remember the Lone Range had a side kick. But you must stop and think, is it just you and you mate, maybe two or three kids, teenagers, or young adults. Now from the two mates it gets better as the family grows, because; each member now has a roll in life. If its just the two of you, your screwed, security must be maintained daily, who sleeps and who stands watch. two of you, how long can you run on just four (4) hours of sleep each. Sleep studies have shown that the human must have a minimum of six (6) hours of rest to function well. Less than that and you become less capable of normal task and decisions are hard to make.

A group you have more people to share those tasks.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:59 am

I know that many think that they will be the lone ranger and do it alone or with just your family. Let’s look at that, and remember the Lone Range had a side kick. But you must stop and think, is it just you and you mate, maybe two or three kids, teenagers, or young adults. Now from the two mates it gets better as the family grows, because; each member now has a roll in life. If its just the two of you, your screwed, security must be maintained daily, who sleeps and who stands watch. two of you, how long can you run on just four (4) hours of sleep each. Sleep studies have shown that the human must have a minimum of six (6) hours of rest to function well. Less than that and you become less capable of normal task and decisions are hard to make.

A group you have more people to share those tasks.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:59 am

I know from studies I’ve read, the group that stay together and last or survive are those made up mainly of family members or church members. They figure that it’s because of the close ties to one another and the knowing how a person reacts in situations. I see some pretty good bonding here and that is great, because you are trusting your and your family’s lives on it. We need to make our groups as strong as possible if we are to survive a GDS event. Knowing what each person’s roll is in the group and who the leader is and that he or she has the support of the group.

Every group must incorporate a rule of law that they must live by regardless, because without it, there is no security. Everyone must be the prosecution, defense, judge, jury and executioner. It’s sad; but this is the glue that binds us together to survive, and there will be times that this must be done, for you, your family and friends to live one more day.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:45 am

I know from studies I’ve read, the group that stay together and last or survive are those made up mainly of family members or church members. They figure that it’s because of the close ties to one another and the knowing how a person reacts in situations. I see some pretty good bonding here and that is great, because you are trusting your and your family’s lives on it. We need to make our groups as strong as possible if we are to survive a GDS event. Knowing what each person’s roll is in the group and who the leader is and that he or she has the support of the group.

Every group must incorporate a rule of law that they must live by regardless, because without it, there is no security. Everyone must be the prosecution, defense, judge, jury and executioner. It’s sad; but this is the glue that binds us together to survive, and there will be times that this must be done, for you, your family and friends to live one more day.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:45 am

Gunns, back in Vietnam, we call what you’re talking about as the “final firing line”, the last line of defense, was involved twice with it and take it from me, your pants are wet if you survive.

Statistics: Posted by rickdun — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:29 am

Gunns, back in Vietnam, we call what you’re talking about as the “final firing line”, the last line of defense, was involved twice with it and take it from me, your pants are wet if you survive.

Statistics: Posted by rickdun — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:29 am

Sorry for the delay, Handyman777 is the closest correct answer. The math problem was improperly stated. Because only 27 pieces of bacon was given and 27 received. The travelers ended up paying 27 pieces of bacon for fuel and the manager and assistant received 27 pieces of bacon. It’s a trick question.

Thanks for your input, and a hands up to Handyman777, for getting it.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:15 am

Sorry for the delay, Handyman777 is the closest correct answer. The math problem was improperly stated. Because only 27 pieces of bacon was given and 27 received. The travelers ended up paying 27 pieces of bacon for fuel and the manager and assistant received 27 pieces of bacon. It’s a trick question.

Thanks for your input, and a hands up to Handyman777, for getting it.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:15 am

Oh man; you guys are so wonderful, I love these post, and the one of the forge fan, tugging at my heart, I too love baking bread the old fashion way, by hand. Not to mention the sewing on those rainy nights when the power is out with by battery back for lighting. Man I love this. Makes me want to do it all. I want to be good at metallurgy and woodworking. I like to make knives also. But enough of that, if I could I would do so many things, because like many of you, I like building things and making things.

Thank you for these great post. I hope I hear form others like you.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:58 am

Oh man; you guys are so wonderful, I love these post, and the one of the forge fan, tugging at my heart, I too love baking bread the old fashion way, by hand. Not to mention the sewing on those rainy nights when the power is out with by battery back for lighting. Man I love this. Makes me want to do it all. I want to be good at metallurgy and woodworking. I like to make knives also. But enough of that, if I could I would do so many things, because like many of you, I like building things and making things.

Thank you for these great post. I hope I hear form others like you.

Statistics: Posted by Cadit — Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:58 am