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Lynda wrote:I contacted the Dept. of Homeland Security, FEMA, months ago, and inquired about the legality of storing food and they emailed me that this is not true. I'm not worried about it because the government does not have the resources to go to every house in every neighborhood, in every town in every state and confiscate everything. However, if people are so concerned then perhaps they should hide it all the minute they learn of any scenario that threatens them.

Honestly. If anybody is really worried about something like this it would be so easy to have a hidden storage container where you can stash your emergency supplies out of sight. It probably is a good idea for a prepper anyway. Even if they collected items, they're not going to hold you at gun point and interrogate you: "WHERE ARE THE DAMN LIMA BEANS?! HAND OVER THE POTATO FLAKES NOW!!!" They would just collect whatever stuff was in plain sight and be done with it. But I seriously doubt even that will happen, the real worry in a catastrophe should be looters.

They're going to be looking for the tuna, I tell ya!

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Thanks for all the replies everyone. I think I’m just getting overwhelmed with my organization because I’m trying to get everything organized before winter. Ack! I am a list, label, marker, tote, etc. kind of person so not having all my ducks in a row is causing me stress! I’m also moving some things around and it’s driving my batty, but it has to be done. I do agree that organization is KEY.

i actually was referring more to fuels and things more so than food but the replies were interesting anyways and I’m sure will be helpful. Storing fuel, ammo, gasses, etc can cause problems if a leak occurs or an unexpected spark or fire were to happen. I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions for limiting the danger of those things. I like the shed idea, but the only problem with that is that there will be more temperature and humidity fluctuations in a small shed vs. a heated garage or barn with a cement or gravel floor. I don’t want the propane tanks to rust or the fuel to be subjected to the fluctuations but that is probably better than having larger quantities in a garage or barn. I guess there’s always going to be the risk vs. reward side of things to consider……such is life.

I guess I just have to deal with the fact that some things will inevitably go to waste, but I can always make lemonade out of lemons. Any time I have some food items that are freezer burnt or old, I cook it up and feed it to the dogs. And like was stated, when you are hungry, you aren’t very picky. I do buy most of my stuff on sale (food and other) so if I lose a few things here and there, the savings of purchasing that way do make me feel a bit better about it.

Whoever made the comment about the insurance policy…..great point! I’ve actually made that point myself on this forum. When i pay my premium I have nothing left at the end of the year except a piece of useless paper. At least with this, I have something….and it does make me sleep a little better at night.

OK – I feel better. Thanks you guys!

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NJMike wrote:My personal list of realistic likely threats:
Death (obvious not one to survive, but is one prepared for themselves and family)
Debilitating Health Issue
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Job Loss
Home Fire

The above are not solved with many of the skills or gear we typically discuss here, but…are we prepared to deal with these things if/when they happen?

Seriously, these are MUCH more likely than many other scenarios we discuss. More people lose their jobs than are taken by alien invaders or catch Ebola. If you’ve got 60 days of food that’ll help quite a bit while unemployment kicks in and/or you get a new job. If you’ve got a couple months of income saved up and no credit card debt that’ll help immensely!

Mundane issues ARE threats to the people having them, just not to their neighbors.

I like the perspective you guys are offering. These are the realest issues of them all for the general public at the moment and in the foreseeable future. The added bonus is that prepping for these kinds of things will still help you prep for the more widespread catastrophes that we love to fantasize about. As an addendum to the Debilitating Health Issue item I would mention that this can also be a mental health issue. You should have a prep plan for what happens if you our your family member is going through debilitating depression or other mental illness. Mental illness left untreated is often more deadly than a physical ailment as it can lead to violence and/or suicide. Having a plan of what you will do if you go through a rough patch like that will help you get back on your feet much faster and fight through it.

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I also now have to keep an inventory binder so that i know where everything is b/c spreading things out this way can get confusing.

I think that inventory binder is part of the solution. You could also have an appendix or whatever within the binder that details how long you’ve had each item, how long it can store for / when you need to rotate it by etc. Research the best items for longevity and the best methods for storing them long term. That way you can have a supply that you will be sure is going to last for a very long time in the event that you need it.

As far as making sure you don’t go overboard I think that isn’t hard as long as you have a strict budget that you allocate to your storage and calculate to make sure that you can rotate a sufficient amount to keep up and prevent items from spoiling before you get to them. Make sure your meal plans incorporate the needed rotations in and you should be good.

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Honestly. If anybody is really worried about something like this it would be so easy to have a hidden storage container where you can stash your emergency supplies out of sight. It probably is a good idea for a prepper anyway. Even if they collected items, they’re not going to hold you at gun point and interrogate you: “WHERE ARE THE DAMN LIMA BEANS?! HAND OVER THE POTATO FLAKES NOW!!!” They would just collect whatever stuff was in plain sight and be done with it. But I seriously doubt even that will happen, the real worry in a catastrophe should be looters.

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I was wondering if dog food can be stored long term. (dry)
Like rice and grains.
I know there are fats? in dog food can it go bad over time.
Maybe mylar bag and oxygen absorber… would this work?.. how long?
The bags I get now have a 1 year exp date. I always try to have at least a 2 month supply, and rotate.

This would only be for extreme emergency’s so that could be any kind of dog food.
I hate to be cheap about it, but if I have to toss it out I’m not out a whole lot of $$.

Hungry is Hungry.
50 lbs a month could be a lot of dog food to store.
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I’m only about 18 months into prepping but this has been on my mind, too. Where, What and When was always on my mind. Where is ????. What do I have for ???? category or not have for ???? category. When is my food expiring? Where is it? And What is it ?

I looked at spreadsheet tools and definitely recommend them but only if you are diligent about +/- as you add, discard and rotate out. I found I was poor at keeping my spreadsheet updated. On this forum, I asked about food/pantry apps and a forum member delivered a solution that I have found acceptable: Only sniper games casino. It may not work for you. There may be better ones, too. I have no affiliation and receive nothing for these comments.

A couple of things:
1) I only had a few hundred cans of food so I was willing to start over and build my inventory from scratch. I am super glad I did.
2) It is great for food and flexible for non-food by adding categories and sub-categories as I need them. I
3) I use the UPC bar code scanning feature alot. Most foods are located and automatically imported. Some non-food UPCs work, too. Some are manually added (see next)
4) When manually adding, I can type it in (yuck) or I can use the speech recognition feature in my iPhone.
5) I can dump my inventory to a comma separated file (CSV), email to myself and import it into Excel and run filters. I email and print it with every significant update just in case of grid down or emp.
6) I can have multiple locations. For example, each ammo box is a location.
7) you can build a shopping list report very easily…I’m just learning this.
8.) built in report shows what stuff is expiring or expired. Next weekend, I will be making lasagna because I have (technically) expired tomato sauces and expiring lasagna noodles. I already +’d these items to buy more for my next shopping trip…and show on the shopping list report, too.
9) built in Locations report let’s me see exactly what I have loaded in each location, for example, I know I have 6 pkgs of Ramen noodles in Tornado box #1 and my cooking fuel, fire stand and camp pots are in Tornado box #2.

1) online documentation is limited…I don’t know if there is a user group who might have more tips/tricks/traps. There are features I don’t use and probably would if I had some doco or examples to understand it. (e.g use rate, shelf life vs expiration date)
2) It does not track nutritional stuff
3) I’m not sure I understand the algorithm used to calculate some of the statistics but I’m only prepping for two so I set if to 3 adults to give me leeway.
4) I cannot import or re-import a CSV spreadsheet… least I don’t think so.
5) Reporting is limited…hence the export to CSV.
6) all the measurements are based on food items: fluids, weight, quantity so I categorize all non-food apps in a kludgy way.

When I decided to create my first cache, I used the app to find then pilfer from my preps..then used the shopping list feature to buy replacements. Easy peasy.

This app gave me the knowledge I needed to quell my fears. But it also helped show me where I was missing…so new obsessions have been found. But prepping is both an obsession and a vocation. I cannot afford to be complacent.

As for water and fuel, I do what everyone else does. I label it with MM/YY and rotate it in about 6 months. I stabilize the fuel and I shake the water to oxygenate it again monthly.

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daaswampman wrote:
I wonder if the people of Aleppo or any place caught in conflict, worry about expiration dates, having too many supplies, or trot their butts to their garden every day for their fresh veggies? I think that is the problem with most who think they prep. They talk and read about it, but they don’t actually believe it could happen.

I am not the world’s authority on wars and famine, but I have seen people eat food with maggots, drink water I would not flush my toilet with, and walk past the dying. Swamp

This is a very good point Swamp.

I only worry about “too many” in regards to storage space. Such as I bought a ridiculous amount of laundry soap on sale with coupons (dirt cheap) about 6 yrs ago. Space for that particular prep was full……overfull. I’ve not bought it since and I’m just now making a decent dent in that particular prep. I bought items to make my own laundry soap & stocked them in bulk instead, as it’s a bit easier to store in large quantities that way. Pretty much the same for other personal hygiene items. Oh, I’ll pick up one or two if it’s cheap enough (I can’t resist) but bulk stocking ceased 6 yrs ago. But those things don’t go bad. I did the same for several OTC meds. Son and I are testing them as we go along as I can’t bring myself to toss as even the FDA can’t say if those expiration dates mean anything with meds. So far, no issues with the meds. Work just fine.

Food, however, is a bit different. I don’t mind tossing a few items here and there that I couldn’t rotate in time. It happens, even when one isn’t prepping. I stocked my deep freeze with meat a while back. Two people don’t rotate through it quick enough…… I’ve not bought a whole lot of meat since and like I said it’s been at least a year. We’re slowly working through what is in that freezer because I can’t bring myself to just toss it. A bit freezer burnt doesn’t bother me that much. I’m working too many hours to can it all or even part of it……as working those hours gives me too much to do in other areas. Expired canned goods don’t bother me, we’ve been eating them for a considerable time already & it’s fine. Except things with tomatoes, I don’t much trust tomatoes. I check the cans and go ahead and use them. Even been using expired cake mixes ect & most are fine. (my time for baking also dropped dramatically)

While if we were in a shtf situation I’d likely not care about expiration dates ect…….in a non shtf situation I do because the potential is high to waste stock……and I can’t stand to waste anything.

So other than what we can eat within the expiration date or safely after, I don’t stock. I’m trying to switch out longer term stock to dehydrated to prevent waste. I still have a year’s supply stored, it’s just different from when I began long term storage. As far as dehydrated food stuffs? I don’t worry about going overboard. The expiration date is so far out on them that I can manage rotation, which is why I’m going that route for long term storage. (both purchased & home dehydrated) The only thing I worry about with dehydrated is storage space.

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WP, I have gone through a similar experience with Kansas Preppers Forum. It seems like 99% of past KP participants have opted out for facebook. The primary reason I keep coming back it to support this excellent source for information and secondarily, to help new folks get connected. I hope you choose not to give up, you never know, that one person might come along that needs you to get connected.

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2. Power grid failure, Most homes, farms, distribution, and manufactures are energy dependent. No food, gas, electricity, jobs, water or sewage will exist after a grid failure. How long can you run your genset with out fuel delivery.
3. earthquake, Some what localized but still, dependent on where, It could disrupt our food supply.
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I agree RM but I don’t think Uncle Vladimir will start a nuclear war, at least not yet, he’s smarter then that, but maybe after Nov. 8th he’ll change, maybe for the worse.

My opinion is that he’ll have his comrades use the internet to take down the power grid. Our administration and top CIA, FBI, NSA, Generals, etc., have said for years that are power grid easily be taken down by our enemies.

Just look at the internet take down, I believe it was last friday.

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Moscow is sending a blunt message to Obama and Hillary by purposefully stationing dozens of large aircraft carriers to conduct operations in Syria. On top of that, Putin is set to deploy more Russian spy ships to survey underwater internet cables in the region, as well.

This move originally began as the U.S. and Russia continued to disagree over Syria, but not it has become the first step into World War III.

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This has nothing to do with whether or not Russia could defeat the United States. This is a result of Obama and Hillary risking war with Russia just because they want to blame Putin for WikiLeaks rather than take blame for their leaked emails.

As we all recall, Hillary Clinton sold Russia 20 percent of our uranium a few years ago in exchange for $145,000,000 to the Clinton Foundation. So if Russia did not possess enough uranium to bolster their nuclear arsenal then, they have been sufficiently equipped thanks to Hillary Clinton.

No, Russia cannot defeat the United States, but why not attempt to make the relationship better? Donald Trump has openly stated he will work with Russia to eliminate ISIS from the Middle East. According to Hillary and Democrats, that is a terrible idea.

Vladimir Putin will continue to take precautions for nuclear war with the United States because they know if Hillary Clinton wins this election, she will engage in warlike conflicts. As Secretary of State, she created wars in Libya, Syria, and Iran while also creating ISIS.

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